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[HeisenbergFX4]

Turning up the heat and crumbling their PlayStation business yeah I agree.

Sony is not Microsoft. MS owns their entire PC platform which 99% people use. MS could have put their games on PC during the 360 generation if they wanted to. At this point it clear they don’t are about selling that much hardware anymore. It’s a losing battle against Sony.

It’s a fools errand trying to chase a couple extra million dollars on PC.

Playstation will be fine people who buy consoles buy consoles first off because of the price and ease of use

I do not believe this will cause massive amounts of people to stop buying PS consoles and pay PC prices to play these games.

The main target of this move, IMO, are the people who own PCs and never buy consoles, Sony wants their money.

 

[Braag]

With the lack of PS5's readily available, they may need to push it on PC earlier than expected to even things out a bit. Probably a case-by-case basis with games as the lifecycle progresses.

I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. It frustrates Jim that his potential max reach for users is limited by Console hardware sales.

It's not any better with GPUs tho.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Turning up the heat and crumbling their PlayStation business yeah I agree.

I find this really silly; there's no evidence supporting PC crumbles your console business, particularly not for the Sony who is just dominant in the space.

Sony likely isn't going to announce any solid pattern either; for PS5 exclusives for instance we have no clue what their plans on. HFW is cross-gen.

Sony also probably has their eye on making a PC platform.. they are actually a HUGE contender for getting 3rd parties involved as well.

And they can quit doing PC releases at ANY time.

 

[Great Hair]

GET ALAN COMPTON BACK!!!
HE WAS BETTER THAN YOU!
FAKU JIMMY!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

As a pc game owner, this wont change my mind to buy ps5.

There are games which i like to play on consoles exclusively, even if they are on pc.

Plus playing on big tv is better, compared to my pc all day.

As mainly a PC gamer myself I will still always buy consoles as well if nothing else to still play with certain friends on different platforms who wont play some games with PC players.

 

[Swift_Star]

Sony needs their brand to have reach outside of their consoles. The problem they are trying to address right now is of reach (sure they are the best selling right now but you still have to be ready to pivot or respond to how the industry might change.) The future problem that they will need to address or get ahead of is making sure people still have reasons to go for their own hardware.

Personally, I will continue to go play games on a console as long as there are consoles. I know we can use controllers on the PC but getting them to work seamlessly between all games & platforms (e.g. GOG, Steam, EPIC — Steam handles it the best but it's not perfect) is an issue I don't really like to deal with and I also just prefer gaming on the TV. I don't want any of the gaming companies to fully embrace the PC where we don't get a console anymore and I also don't want a stream only future where the hardware is just a dumb box to facilitate streaming.

Their hardware cost $500. Equivalent hardware to play their games in the PS5 settings are at least 3x times the same price from scratch. So, yeah, people will always have the incentive.

 

[Mabdia]

Well... that being confirmed the best game plataform will be the Steam Deck alongside with Switch.

 

[Danjin44]

 

[On Demand]

I disagree. This isn't going to "crumble" the PlayStation business at all. Console gamers will still buy games on console. And MS doesn't own the "entire PC platform". If they didn't then they would not be selling their games through Steam. The difference between the current gen and the 360 years was the cost to port is much lower now since everything is x86.

The difference between Xbox 360 generation and starting with the XB1 was Xbox was not selling as much hardware and software as it use to. That’s the reason for games on PC and gamepass. MS Corp didn’t know what to do with Xbox. They wanted to get rid of it. Phil Spencer gave them the PC and gamepass ultimatum.

And as we can see, that didn’t exactly help with selling more consoles. But that’s besides the point for them now.


I didn’t say MS owns the entire PC platform. I said they own their own platform which is Windows that majority of people use.

 

[KAL2006]

Cheaper and free online play for the same game.

 

[kyoji]

Here we go passing rumors and leaks off as facts again, some people never learn

 

[Ellery]

Here we go passing rumors and leaks off as facts again, some people never learn

So it was probably unwise of me to take time off work to bet on Final Fantasy IX Remake actually releasing in early 2022 according to this new leak.

 

[Umbasaborne]

But….muh exclusive…..

/s

 

[Corndog]

Its coming

PS - Sorry Bryank

What’s coming?

 

[ManaByte]

 

[IntentionalPun]

Most PC gamers seem to have this bizarre notion that console gamers by and large only game there for exclusives.

PC gamers mostly buy consoles for that, and many may forgo a console.. but those PC gamers also aren't likely to be making console manufacturers a bunch of money anyways.. you buy the hardware, likely not even a lot of accessories, and a few exclusive games.

There are loads of people just not in the market for a PC; they dont care about PC releases.. they buy consoles, because it's what they are used to.. what they can afford, what they want under their TV, etc.

Shifting that spend to Steam, where Sony still keeps 80% of the money, and on top of that isn't footing the bill for credit card fees still keeps most of the money in Sony's court.

And then there are the many people who wouldn't buy consoles, who would now be buying Sony's games.

Sony IS worried about effecting their console business, don't get me wrong.. that's why they are being coy, not announcing any plans, just random mostly older game drops.. but they are heading in a direction towards releasing all or most games on PC, likely not too far after release. They will look at the data, make decisions, etc.. the only thing that matters is the bottom line, and losing a few console sales but gaining a lot of software sales on PC is a win for them.

They are producing more new consoles than ever, even in a chip shortage, and selling them out, for longer than they ever did.. they have no reason to think any of their existing PC release strategy has made even a small dent in their console hype.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It was only a matter of time.

Too much money to leave on the table. Someone shared a screenshot of age of empires 4 and forza horizon 5 holding the 1st and 2nd spot on the steam best sellers list. No way Sony shareholders and Sony are gonna pass on that shit.

Especially with a global chip shortage. You got staff to pay.

 

[Rudius]

The reason so many Sony games are cross gen is to more easily port them to PCs, since PS5 exclusives would require 8 core CPUs and fast SSDs.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It was only a matter of time.

Too much money to leave on the table. Someone shared a screenshot of age of empires 4 and forza horizon 5 holding the 1st and 2nd spot on the steam best sellers list. No way Sony shareholders and Sony are gonna pass on that shit.

Especially with a global chip shortage. You got staff to pay.

Pretty amazing considering both of those games are on Gamepass

 

[ManaByte]

Sony also probably has their eye on making a PC platform.. they are actually a HUGE contender for getting 3rd parties involved as well.

Vaio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[On Demand]

It was only a matter of time.

Too much money to leave on the table. Someone shared a screenshot of age of empires 4 and forza horizon 5 holding the 1st and 2nd spot on the steam best sellers list. No way Sony shareholders and Sony are gonna pass on that shit.

Especially with a global chip shortage. You got staff to pay.

Those bestseller list are meaningless.

How much exactly did they sell? You don’t know. The next game below those could have sold only 10,000.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Vaio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm talking about a store... a platform.. selling a few laptops to businesses is not a platform.

I'm aware they have been in the PC business for decades... but didn't they ditch VAIO?

 

[Haggard]

What’s coming?

 

[Mister Wolf]

They want to charge PC players $70. The longer they stagger the release the less they can get away with doing that.

 

[MonarchJT]

These dates are already being confirmed as placeholders only.

"placeholders" or...what you expect Nvidia to say ? "we confirm that our security is shitty and we leak everything our partners tell us"?

on topic: the release of PC games going to happen with or without this leak....really people believe that Sony is betting everything on the console-only eco system? wake up people.

 

[ViolentP]

Why are people still debating the inevitable?

Because it's the final argument of console warriors.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

The reason so many Sony games are cross gen is to more easily port them to PCs, since PS5 exclusives would require 8 core CPUs and fast SSDs.

 

[Sosokrates]

Im may buy the PS4 version and get the free ps5 upgrade.

 

[Holammer]

many of them - sure, but many are not. The sheer possibility that at some point such a release date was in the cards enough to make it into this database is a huge revelation imo and really points at things to come. As an avid 2-3 year theory proponent I'm eating huge L if true.

As I mentioned in other threads, big budget console games have advertising on the same scale as big budget movies and GTAV earned more than the highest grossing movie.
Makes no sense to hold back PC versions and streaming services for too long so the effect of the hype machine dies down. In the future I expect a shorter release delays, maybe a "Play first on Playstation" policy for a few days/week and extra/cheaper DLC on console to sweeten the deal.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I think it's fake.

I mean, Elder Scrolls VI coming just two years after Starfield?

Tekken 8?

Street FIghter 6?

Project Awakening?

Injustice 3 and Mortal Kombat 12 just a few months apart?

No way, man.

 

[Nikana]

Playstation will be fine people who buy consoles but consoles first off because of the price and ease of use

I do not believe this will cause massive amounts of people to stop buying PS consoles and pay PC prices to play these games.

The main target of this move, IMO, are the people who own PCs and never buy consoles, Sony wants their money.

Wasn't the PS4 Pro supposed to dip into that demographic as well? I remember there being some feelings around Sony that they thought if they offered a premium expereince that it would not only stop people from considering PC as the gen goes on but also pull in people from PC since they could match their "higher fideility" desires.

But instead it was just the hardcore console crowd upgrading?

 

[Sosokrates]

Exactly.

They're just easing people in by narrowing the console to PC release time frame with each subsequent release.

Easing people in?while im sure some oc players will buy a ps5 because they enjoyed sony games on PC, but im also sure some who were going to get a ps5 may just stick with pc.

 

[Mabdia]

I disagree. This isn't going to "crumble" the PlayStation business at all. Console gamers will still buy games on console. And MS doesn't own the "entire PC platform". If they didn't then they would not be selling their games through Steam. The difference between the current gen and the 360 years was the cost to port is much lower now since everything is x86.

All my life I've been a console gamer. I've been a PlayStation owner since PS1. But I just can't see any reason to get a game on my PS4 or even get a PS5 anymore. I'll wait a little and get a Steam Deck and play both PlayStation and Xbox games.


I'm even thinking about sell my PS4 alongside my PlayStation account with the games that is in there to get an upgrade to raise some money to steam deck. That being said, my brother was thinking to get a PS5. I'm showing that even a Xbox Series S a better choose then PS5. Since Xbox has the Game Pass (that I despise) and has always open about their plans.

It is hard to me as an former PlayStation fan say that, but nowadays Xbox is more consumer friendly than PlayStation (I think that I'm what you can name an Xbox hater, because there is a ton of things that I really hate in the ecosystem, and on the time of PS2/3/4 I really can't remember of a single reason to get a Xbox).

This video while hearing Vivaldi's Four seasons is priceless!

 

[Hinedorf]

As a pc game owner, this wont change my mind to buy ps5.

There are games which i like to play on consoles exclusively, even if they are on pc.

Plus playing on big tv is better, compared to my pc all day.

Does for me, not sure PS5 has a single exclusive game I'll want if they're really willing to move this to PC so soon. If they're willing to move this franchise I have to imagine all others are likely on the table too.

Having a PC better than either X1 or PS5 makes getting one absolutely redundant if not for exclusives, Gamepass + Steam = the only piece of hardware I'll likely get from this generation is a controller

 

[IntentionalPun]

Does for me, not sure PS5 has a single exclusive game I'll want if they're really willing to move this to PC so soon. If they're willing to move this franchise I have to imagine all others are likely on the table too.

Having a PC better than either X1 or PS5 makes getting one absolutely redundant if not for exclusives, Gamepass + Steam = the only piece of hardware I'll likely get from this generation is a controller

And you will likely be giving Sony almost the same amount of money either way.

For me moving to PC means more Sony games, because mods might make some games more interesting to me and become "buys."

(although I'm not ditching my PS5 either, and w/ their staggered release strategy, Sony might win with some double dips, already have w/ Days Gone lol)

Selling hardware is not where the money is; selling a platform to someone who will use it extensively is.. and PC gamers are not using Sony's Playstation Store extensively.. we aren't playing a bunch of 3rd party games on there and buying their MTX, we are doing that on PC.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Pretty amazing considering both of those games are on Gamepass

It is genuinely amazing.

Because it's the final argument of console warriors.

Are you telling me the term console exclusive will suddenly become viable?

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Some will undoubtedly skip buying a PS5 but predicting a ”collapse” is a bit much.

I don’t see Xbox collapsing since going day and date. They are supposedly doing better numbers than ever.

XBOX hardware sales did eventually drop though especially when their games start releasing on day one. That’s not the only reason they dropped, but it definitely contributed. There’s a reason Microsoft conveniently started to hide their hardware sales.

 

[MonarchJT]

XBOX hardware sales did eventually drop though especially when their games start releasing on day one. That’s not the only reason they dropped, but it definitely contributed. There’s a reason Microsoft conveniently started to hide their hardware sales.

Xbox are constantly sold out ...what are you talking about ? the reason why Xbox one dropped sales is because their software release was bad. Things this gen seem to have changed or at least that's what we expect plus the sx is the most powerful console (albeit slightly ), for this reason the constant sold out despite the release on pc.

Sony has to hurry up and drop everything on PC and also cut away with that fanbase niche that is tied to exclusives confined to the console only to use them as a weapon in the console war. the exclusives are a legacy of the past as the physical releases of the games

 

[IntentionalPun]

Pretty amazing considering both of those games are on Gamepass

I think MS has some huge work to do on PC Gamepass, and the Windows Store.

The reputation is just terrible for the store eating people's HD space, or having games that refuse to update/DL, and they are out of date on patches and the like.

Not that they won't still do well on Steam w/ PC Gamepass working better.. but I really think they are losing people on that service in general.

 

[Papacheeks]

Well... that being confirmed the best game plataform will be the Steam Deck alongside with Switch.

To me Steam deck makes Nintendo's days numbered. Only games they will be selling in high volumes will be Nintendo first party and Pokemon. Monster hunter is now available on the go via steam deck. For the price in Japan steam deck is going to rule.

I think the previous leak was real, the dates are not. Information is probably somewhat real, the actual release dates are 100% bogus.

 

[Guilty_AI]

 

[Sosokrates]

Does for me, not sure PS5 has a single exclusive game I'll want if they're really willing to move this to PC so soon. If they're willing to move this franchise I have to imagine all others are likely on the table too.

Having a PC better than either X1 or PS5 makes getting one absolutely redundant if not for exclusives, Gamepass + Steam = the only piece of hardware I'll likely get from this generation is a controller

I have considered this because buying two pieces of hardware which are very similar just to play a few exclusives is quite rediculous.

The only issue I could not wait that long.

 

[IntentionalPun]

XBOX hardware sales did eventually drop though especially when their games start releasing on day one. That’s not the only reason they dropped, but it definitely contributed. There’s a reason Microsoft conveniently started to hide their hardware sales.

The day one on PC thing came years after Xbox One release, and was a RESPONSE to Xbox not doing as well against Playstation as the 360 generation. And MS was only doing it on the totally shitty Windows Store...

There's just no way to prove how much Xbox hardware didn't sell because of that.. it's a different scenario than Playstation is in.

What we do know is that XBox revenue went up... we have to keep in mind, if people are abandoning consoles for PC, they are unlikely to have been "whales" for the console manufacturers. They were people only buying exclusives anyways.

 

[Vae_Victis]

That's a good point, haven't considered it. What is it? 30%?

It's supposed to be 30% which can be lowered to 25% for very big sellers. Impossible to know if Valve makes special agreements with the top 5-6 publishers for some releases.

Compared not just to 0% money lost on PS4 and PS5, but possibly also more money coming in later. If somebody buys a PS5 because they want to play the exclusives, and then buys at least another game on it, then it's Sony to take a share for the sale of that game on PS5. Historically Sony doesn't make exclusives to be profitable in and of themselves (even though they usually are), but to sell consoles and then make back money with secondary revenue streams connected to the expansion of the console install base (third party licenses, controllers, PS Plus etc.).

That's why it makes perfect sense to publish PS4 games on PC at this point, since PS4 is being phased out anyway and those games realistically speaking already sold all the PS4 they ever could. But, conversely, publishing PS5 games on PC very soon after launch would not just be "extra money", it would drastically change Sony's expectations in where the money is supposed to come from in the long run. Since Horizon 2 is cross-gen I can see it happen, it's a bold strategy but it's not illogical. The moment Sony publishes PS5 exclusives on PC, though, that's a different song and dance entirely.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

They are just delaying the inevitable. Day one PC games incoming, which imo is a big mistake especially with shortages and lack of exclusives. I think this will eventually tamper with PS5 hardware sales. Notice how these official and rumored release dates are conveniently shortening with each release? Anyone who believes these games will come to PC years later is being too optimistic or delusional.

 

[mejin]

The day one on PC thing came years after Xbox One release, and was a RESPONSE to Xbox not doing as well against Playstation as the 360 generation. And MS was only doing it on the totally shitty Windows Store...

There's just no way to prove how much Xbox hardware didn't sell because of that.. it's a different scenario than Playstation is in.

yeah, I'd say Hardware and softwares were affected with this sudden change on MS strategy.

If people have a choice, they'll choose.

There is no double dipping with day one launch on PC.

I'm curious of what will become of Playstation.

 

[Fredrik]

And like we got few days ago, very little people own PS5 + PC

I’ve missed all of that. Link please?
I thought PC+PS was a big group considering how often Xbox was said to be pointless since every game is on PC now.

Either way, I double dip on everything right now from Sony so I would prefer closer release dates between the platforms so I can choose where to buy the games based on where I think they’ll play the best. Some games are better suited for the living room so I’ll always need a Playstation just as I’ll always need a Xbox.

 

[Jigsaah]

Well Shit...8 months is still a little longer than I'd like to wait...but without a slew of games I'm looking to get on PS5 right now...a bit of practice in delayed gratification might benefit in the long run.

What's gonna happen is I'm gonna get that PS5 invite to buy this month and then my mettle will be put to the test. Do I cave and get the PS5 so I can play these games the day it releases. Or do I hold off on my one guaranteed chance of getting the console, instead betting on Sony to release games on PC sooner?

Decisions, decisions.

 

[Solidsnake_1]

There is no point to buy a console anymore you can have all Sony , Microsoft and 3rd party games on pc . It it matter of time before jim ryan releases games day 1 on pc .

 

[skit_data]

XBOX hardware sales did eventually drop though especially when their games start releasing on day one. That’s not the only reason they dropped, but it definitely contributed. There’s a reason Microsoft conveniently started to hide their hardware sales.

Yes it will definitely to lead to a decline to some extent, no doubt. But I’m questioning if it would become a sharp drop of console sales, I think too many people like the convenience of console gaming vs building a PC. Also, Series X, Series S and PS5 all offer very good performance in relation to their cost and personally I think that market is big enough to always sell to a pretty large base of users.