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New 2TB and 512 GB Seagate Expansion Cards for Xbox Series X|S ($400 and $140 respectively) announced

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
And this is why the Series S isn't worth the money. Seriously, buy Series X if you want an Xbox.
S was never worth the money unless someone was itching for a next gen system at $300 and fully knows they wont be using up a lot of SSD space. COD alone is like 200 GB.

As long as someone has an extra $100-200 on them, getting a PS5 digital or PS5/X UHD version is a much better choice. More power and bigger SSD and the $500 systems have a 4k drive in case someone like discs and 4k movies.
 
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Jaysen

Banned
Better is subjective. I guess some folks would rather pay a bit more money rather than having to handle a screwdriver, but frankly, I seriously doubt that. Most casuals are not going to add storage to either.
Most casual games now are over 100gb. They’re going to want to upgrade. Whether they do or not will come down to convenience and price.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I'm sorry what does an the most affordable current generation console have to do with this topic at all? You aren't getting better gaming performance for $300 anywhere else.
Warriors gonna war



What would be a good use of the expasion card, moving all your games from your Main Xbox Series X to maybe a Series S in another room (bed room etc). Plug and play.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
At this rate I'm relegated to just cleaning out the fridge on my series s. I have a nice big portable SSD for backwards compatibility.
 

Vognerful

Member
The price is annoying, but I don't see myself ever needing this either. Here is where I am right now.....

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15 games and room to spare.
I don't see COD there.

jurassic park dinosaur GIF by Pretty Whiskey / Alex Sautter
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
That 2 terabyte card can’t cost more then a switch oled. Should have been 300 at most. Buying a 500 dollar console to buy a 400 dollar storage?
I don't disagree. I was surprised at how many people were dropping $350+ to add 2 TB to PS5.

These Xbox cards should really be more like $99 for 512 GB, $169 for 1 TB and $299 for 2 TB. At least make them more inline for NVMe costs at the same speed and capacity.
 
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vdopey

Member
I wish console manufacturers would take a page out of steam deck or phone manufacturers books and release different skus with increased internal storage per sku.

Personally I would love it if they set the top end budget of the console to 1K and just delivered a true 4k 60 fps console this gen - maybe apple getting into the game will allow them to do this as game journalists will gush over any over priced apple console.
 
We'll need to wrap our heads around this together

What does the XSS have to do with a memory card for the XSS? Anyone got any ideas?
I wasn't aware this memory card was exclusive to the XSS nor was I aware this was a mandatory accessory. He's an idea. If you don't want to buy the memory expansion card you don't have to.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Most casual games now are over 100gb. They’re going to want to upgrade. Whether they do or not will come down to convenience and price.

I guess the question is how many games do casuals have installed at any one time. I'd say not that much so I disagree on their need to upgrade.
 
I wasn't aware this memory card was exclusive to the XSS nor was I aware this was a mandatory accessory. He's an idea. If you don't want to buy the memory expansion card you don't have to.

So Xbox Series consoles have nothing to do with these memory cards exclusive for Xbox Series consoles then? Gotcha
 
S was never worth the money unless someone was itching for a next gen system at $300 and fully knows they wont be using up a lot of SSD space. COD alone is like 200 GB.

As long as someone has an extra $100-200 on them, getting a PS5 digital or PS5/X UHD version is a much better choice. More power and bigger SSD and the $500 systems have a 4k drive in case someone like discs and 4k movies.
One big advantage of the S is that it's mostly readily available. There's also Gamepass, of course.
 

reksveks

Member
1) So why do you assume the opposite if nobody knows the cut?

2) They can price gouge by setting the license cost which seagate has to cover. And why do you think they made seagate the exclusive provider? What benefit do they get from such an agreement? Better prices for the inbuilt one probably or they agreed together on how they will make money from it. The proprietary connector is the soul and primary reason for no competition. If it wasn't proprietary then there is no way for MS to dictate who can manufacture a drive for it.

3) are you trying to suggest that the proprietary drives are somehow more expensive to manufacture because of the connector? Because they are not and they use cheap 2.4Gb/s rated memory and controllers.
1) what am I assuming? It was just stating the fact that no one knows what the license cost is.

2) Or seagate paid an upfront fee to just get exclusivity. Microsoft could technically 'price gouge' the hardware manufacturers but that's not the same as 'price gouge' the end consumers. It might lead to the same effect though.

3) no, I am saying that seagate are using the fact that they are the sole provider of the drive (which is independent of the proprietary nature of the drive) and that they are hot-swappable to have a price premium. This is the same for other cfexpress cards for cameras. Should Microsoft have had a shorter exclusivity or none at all? I think so. There are two very different things here.
 

reksveks

Member
S was never worth the money unless someone was itching for a next gen system at $300 and fully knows they wont be using up a lot of SSD space.
But hard to talk about value where features are subjective, personally the series s is great as an indie box for me as I already have a gaming pc.

If you don't have a gaming pc and want good and future proofed access to the Xbox ecosystem, I would go for the series x.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Yes and how much is that worth in comparison to you?
To me nothing, I have no use for the extra space or ease of use. That’s why I’m not buying. To a family with multiple Xbox that’s going to add huge value.
 

Three

Member
1) what am I assuming? It was just stating the fact that no one knows what the license cost is.

2) Or seagate paid an upfront fee to just get exclusivity. Microsoft could technically 'price gouge' the hardware manufacturers but that's not the same as 'price gouge' the end consumers. It might lead to the same effect though.

3) no, I am saying that seagate are using the fact that they are the sole provider of the drive (which is independent of the proprietary nature of the drive) and that they are hot-swappable to have a price premium. This is the same for other cfexpress cards for cameras. Should Microsoft have had a shorter exclusivity or none at all? I think so. There are two very different things here.
1) You said 'Microsoft doesn't set the price'. They do if the license cost is what is making the price high. You assume this agreement/price is all seagate.

2) I very much doubt seagate paid them to manufacture drives for them. Even if so they price gouge by doing so. MS get money and the consumer pays for it. It's far more likely that they entered a bilateral agreement which includes pricing for the drives and for BOM for some of the internal ones though.
 
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vdopey

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if the ps5 still needs to do the entire this drive was removed thing it’s not hot swapable.
you didn't specify that it had to only interface with a console just hot swappable nvme :) that enclosure basically does exactly that :) it also translate to usb-c 3.1 (thunderbolt would be better / faster speeds) and that costs $20 (the circuitry is far more complex for this enclosure the xsx drive only has a cut down nvme drive encased in metal the console itself exposes the pci-e lane as the external port. The drive itself is just off the shel enclosed in metal - nothing fancy about it the enclosure probably costs way less than $20 retail and pennies to manufacture.

I mean personally I wouldn't be happy with these prices even if I was a loyal die hard xbox guy - its price gauging same as the vita with its horrible expandable storage and pricing. If it was Sony doing this I would be pissed & not defending it, but each their own.

If you guys insist on defending bad practice regardless of company, they will take it as a sign that this is acceptable and carry on doing it, if you complain and make a fuss maybe they will revise the price to be more inline with what the drive is actually worth.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned



The 2TB card is more than the Series S console.
The series S doesn’t have 2TB of storage though.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
you didn't specify that it had to only interface with a console just hot swappable nvme :) that enclosure basically does exactly that :) it also translate to usb-c 3.1 (thunderbolt would be better / faster speeds) and that costs $20 (the circuitry is far more complex for this enclosure the xsx drive only has a cut down nvme drive encased in metal the console itself exposes the pci-e lane as the external port. The drive itself is just off the shel enclosed in metal - nothing fancy about it the enclosure probably costs way less than $20 retail and pennies to manufacture.

I mean personally I wouldn't be happy with these prices even if I was a loyal die hard xbox guy - its price gauging same as the vita with its horrible expandable storage and pricing. If it was Sony doing this I would be pissed & not defending it, but each their own.

If you guys insist on defending bad practice regardless of company, they will take it as a sign that this is acceptable and carry on doing it, if you complain and make a fuss maybe they will revise the price to be more inline with what the drive is actually worth.


It’s good to see you just skip over the several times I have stated the prices are way to high. I just point out that like many of the ssd being linked listed at well below there msrp, these drives will be cheaper as well. The 1tb has been already.

It was a design choice on MS part, they wanted something easy to use for the masses. Most people think building a PC is impossible, you think these same people are going to be able to pick a properly spec m.2 drive, open there system and make sure it has proper cooling? A lot will see a cheap drive, get it and wonder why it doesn’t work.
 
So Xbox Series consoles have nothing to do with these memory cards exclusive for Xbox Series consoles then? Gotcha
Ah so now you are changing from XSS specifically to the Xbox Series generally. Got it. Still doesn't explain why the XSS was specifically called out earlier but I'm certain it wasn't a sincere point. The biggest negative of these memory cards is the price. Outside of that it offers flexibility and features other storage options lack. In addition price is the best thing XSS has going for it making its mention in this thread about an expensive product even more puzzling.
 
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