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DF: The Touryst PS5 - The First 8K 60fps Console Game
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Senjusausage always pretends to be a neutral poster when he’s been team green. I was reading why he got permed on Era. Hilarious reason actually considering everything we know and have seen now and after everything Mark fucking Cerny said on the road to PS5. He seems like one of the PS5 is RDNA 1.5 9TF types.
User Banned (Permanent): Conspiratorial Rhetoric, Trolling, and Thread Derailment Over Multiple Posts; Prior Bans for Platform Warring; Account in Junior Phase
Senjutsausage
senjutsusage
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I actually believe they are and suspect sony knows it. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'm going to own a PS5, too, but I don't believe them on hardware ray tracing.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So he was actively speculating/spreading FUD that the PS5 won't have HW-based ray-tracing even after Mark's explicit confirmation? Then he turned out to be wrong (of course!). Now he still keeps speculating about things he doesn't know (SFS/ML etc.) and tries convincing everyone that he is right (even though he was literally wrong about HW RT). Wow.
(I don't go on Era so I never knew about this.)
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
So he basically is Alex Battaglia then...
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I'm not surprised. The game's target hardware was the Nintendo Switch, which means super narrow chip design with high frequencies. PS5 will always have an advantage in such games, but most games aren't built like that.
Die Namek Ability
Member
All else being equal, why wouldnt you want a higher res? If its at the cost of performance then fuck resolution.
Md Ray
Member
Switch's SoC runs at high frequencies?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yep. GPU clock is similar to PS4, while the memory clock is even faster than PS4.
Arioco
Member
What? Isn't PS4's GDDR5 clocked at 5.5Ghz?
Xdrive05
Member
Being mobile, Switch is dramatically underclocked compared to its SoC's relative design targets, which is the opposite of PS5. Maybe I'm missing your point?
Md Ray
Member
Erm... Firstly, the GPU clock speed between PS4 and Switch isn't comparable. They're using two very different GPU architectures designed by two different companies. Memory clock is also not comparable as one is using low-power DDR4 type and the other is power-hungry GDDR5 with a much wider interface. Apples to oranges comparisons like this from you doesn't look good when you've just come back from a ban.
Also, Switch's GPU doesn't run at high frequencies, it's quite the opposite. It uses Tegra X1 with a heavily downclocked GPU especially in the handheld, even in dock mode it's 30% slower than stock Tegra X1's max GPU clock, it's an energy-conscious handheld so they're clocked lower, to begin with just like Steam Deck's SoC is. They are never set to run at "high frequencies".
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
My point is that the Switch has a "fast and narrow" chip design, and that the game was built for the Switch, which means it's gonna scale better with frequency than with CUs.
Md Ray
see above.
Md Ray
Member
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's not slow. And it being narrow adds to my point. It's gonna scale much better with frequency than with CUs.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Absolutely, if performance isn't affected. Push that resolution to the limit. This is a solid 60 FPS on PS5 so it's pretty much perfect.
The absolute definitive way to play this particular game on the big screen comfy couch!
Md Ray
Member
"it's not slow" based on what exactly?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Based on a much more powerful console having similar frequencies. And before you start ban baiting again (weird flex btw), I'm strictly comparing frequencies here, nothing else.
Md Ray
Member
Are you serious right now? Would you compare Ampere's clock speed with RDNA 2?
Just focus on the clock speed. The Pentium 4 will be proud
ethomaz
Banned
It is slow.
It is actually 768Mhz docked that is slow even for Tegra X1 arch.
I mean what are you even trying to made up here lol
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yep. Ampere is slow and wide in this case, while RDNA2 is narrow and fast. Relatively speaking at least.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It is fast and narrow. It runs at up to 1.6 GHz while only having 8 CUs. It's basically the definition of fast and narrow.
Tripolygon
Banned
No. Even the iPhone 8 and newer Snapdragon SoCs run at faster clocks than the Switch.
Switch
| Docked | Undocked | |
|---|---|---|
| CPU clock speed | 1.2GHz | 1.2GHz |
| GPU clock speed | 768MHz | 307.2MHz |
| Memory clock | 1.6GHz | 1.33GHz |
PS4/5
| PS5 | PS4 | |
|---|---|---|
| CPU clock speed | 3.5Ghz | 1.6GHz |
| GPU clock speed | 2.23GHz | 800MHz |
| Memory clock | 7GHz | 5.5GHz |
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
My point stands. The game is gonna scale much better with frequency than with CUs.
Tripolygon
Banned
Your point does not stand when your point is made on false information. The Switch is clocked very low compared to the capability of the actual Tegra SoC it is based on. The same game runs at 8K on PC with more CUs than even PS5.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Lol no.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
No it's not.
The full X1 speed being higher doesn't mean that the Switch X1 is slow. It also has nothing to do with my point.
It very likely doesn't . Feel free to link a benchmark that proves otherwise.
Lognor
Banned
No it's not. But keep up that console warring. LOL. And clearly it's not a game you care about so it's a weird hill to die on
Lognor
Banned
Do you honestly think anyone has bought this game? LOL. No they just want to console war over a game that has been on Switch and XSX for ages and no one played then. But now it's 8k, OMG best game ever! /s
Md Ray
Member
It is slow. When the RDNA 2 architecture is capable of reaching near 3 GHz then Steam Deck's 1.0-1.6 GHz in comparison is extremely slow.
Clock speeds are supposed to be compared between the same architecture. In Switch's case, you should compare it with another NVIDIA 2nd gen Maxwell arch, which can be capable of running upwards of 1.5+ GHz locked. Twice that of Switch's max. Based on this, its 0.3-0.7 GHz is painfully slow.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Is there any other game that currently runs on 8K/60 on consoles?
If not, doesn't that fact alone make this game special?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I'm comparing between consoles. You never argued my actual point btw. Do you agree that a game built for the Switch will scale better with frequency than with CUs? If no, why?
Md Ray
Member
Between what consoles? NVIDIA's 2nd Maxwell clock speeds aren't comparable with PS4/XB1's AMD GCN clock speeds. That's laughable.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
PS4 was 800 mhz.
Lognor
Banned
Yes, by definition it's special. It's the only 8k/60 console game. But that is the only reason it's special. The game has been out on ages for PC and other consoles and no one talked about it.
The PS4/PS5 announcement thread had 49 posts. The Switch announcement thread had 6 posts (lol). And the Xbox indie showcase thread which included this title had a whopping 55 posts. But here we are in this thread approaching 900 posts. Hmm....makes you think.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's a cool milestone for sure. But it's not representative of current gen power. We still around 1440p most of the time.
Tripolygon
Banned
The fact that it is 8K is notable. What is keeping this thread going is people's incapability of accepting what the developers said about their own game engine. This thread should have died a long time ago.
tommib
Member
I for one played this on my Series S and I’m glad it’s getting some visibility. Game’s super charming and funny. It looks great and some of the “dungeon” puzzles are quite clever. No need to hate on the game because it’s being used for console wars. There are worst games than this being used for the same purpose - by a long shot.
Md Ray
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How is it not? This is the only game on PS5 & Xbox Series X running at resolutions well over 4K.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Xbox also has Ori running at 6K.
And what resolution does it run on PS5? Oh that's right it's not on PS5
