funkygunther
Banned
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Use evidence, not assumptions.
There is a place for assumptions backed by reasonable evidence, but your logic doesn't follow in this one.
That's not how the burden of proof works. Try again.
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funkygunther
Banned
that's not how it works, nice try though
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
They say it's able to evade vaccines immunity. Which is true if Delta and to an extent even original recipe Covid. Mu does not appear to be uniquely more of a threat an in fact has been declining in regions where delta is dominant.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
That study is not super convincing given the sample size, but it is funny to see people similarly convinced everything is a miracle cure based on these sorts of anecdotal studies.
Vicetrailia
Member
ivermectin interests came from a petry dish study, lmao.
It’s a buzzword solution, just like HCQ.
BouncyFrag
Member
Thaedolus
Member
She's right. There are all sorts of stipulations with boarding a plane we must comply with. I can open carry in my state and have a concealed carry where I can have a round in the chamber on my person; if I were to try to get on a plane while exercising that 2A right, I'd be in a world of hurt.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
She is right? Being allowed on a flight is not a constitutional right. Airlines are free to do what they feel they need to to protect their staff and their customers. So is every other business in the country.
You have a right to make your own stupid decisions, but you also have to be willing to face the consequences of those decisions. You also have no right to force the consequences of your stupid decisions onto others.
Narasumas
Member
Admittedly…you do have pretty crappy one- liner posts, with little or no substance, that all conveniently fit your narrative with no room for nuance. I may not agree with all of his points…but I do agree on his opinion of you as a poster. Are you that smug in real life too?
BouncyFrag
Member
Jaysen
Banned
With people who actively defend antivaxxer dipshits? Yes.
Cracklox
Member
Straya mate
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs...~2017~Main Features~Deaths due to influenza~5
1076 covid deaths. My screencap programs being annoying, but that's easily googleable
Yeah there's a degree of spite if you want to put it like that. The same governments thats being pushing this so strongly, is the same government that had a city of 5 and half million people, where I live, locked down for 224 days in the last 18 months. Would I not be wrong to feel some sort of spite, knowing as previously stated that I'm highly suspicious of how this is all being reported in the msm and elsewhere. I don't think this virus, especially in this country, is nearly as bad as what it's being made out to be. I mean, see above with the flu.
As for goal posts moving, I'm talking about the reasoning governments, here in this country, keep moving them so more lockdowns can be enforced. Its probably different where you are, as so far as I can tell, most of the rest of the world is moving on a little more then we are. I'm pretty sure the people in power here are long past looking at any relevant science too. We're basically going by april 2020 science still, where most of the rest of the world seems to have at least learned something since then.
Your last point. I mean thats how it all started and what we were all told at the beginning, which I think most people, including myself, were on board with. But then 6 lockdowns later, when you look at the rest of the world basically laughing at us for all the draconian shit still being enforced in the name of 'public health', you look back at that statement and wonder why ever the fuck they told us that in the first place. Dogmatic? Maybe. But its one of those things you kind of remember given just how far our country has come from that.
Narasumas
Member
I have received tons of vaccines over my lifetime and get the flu shot annually. I still think there’s a lot of unknowns about COVID and it’s related vaccines. That doesn’t make me an “antivaxxer”. You are very quick to conflate things.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
People are actually making a big deal about this? Holy shit. Talk about distractions. Jesus.
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terintamel
Member
Maybe because 18-20% of all migrants test positive for Covid? Seems like a good reason to bring it up if we are all about 'shots in arms' and saftey from those dangerous unvaxxed. It is all relevant because it is all about consistency. How can I take the administrations position honestly if they are not consistent.
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Narasumas
Member
Also….people might care too because we would like to see 1) equal application of the law, and 2)….idk, actual application of the law!
Jaysen
Banned
Do you encourage others to not get the vaccine? Are you vocally anti mask? If not, you’re not who we’re talking about. The dumbshits who refuse the vaccine and also refuse to distance or mask up are actively trying to fuck people over. Fuck them. And fuck anyone who defends them. How is this so damn difficult to grasp?
terintamel
Member
Also Put a shot in their arm or turn them back to where they came. Seems reasonable if you are going to make me get a shot or lose my job.
Narasumas
Member
…but that is part (of many, most personal) of the reason that they are not getting the jab. I encourage folks to do what is best for them in their personal circumstances, likely as a doctor would recommend. The general recommendation (and for good reason) is to get the jab, but that doesn’t suit everyone’s situation…and therefore should not be forced.
I am for the vaccine, but also for a persons right to choose what is best for them.
funkygunther
Banned
so they’re getting tested too just like the work vaccine requirement states then
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Narasumas
Member
NI - I like you man, and respect you for who you are and what you believe in….but we can’t just cherry pick what we uphold and don’t uphold. Not just immigration either. Inconsistencies create gradual diffusion and dilution of the system.Yeah I'm sure the concern for them is genuine and sincere
funkygunther
Banned
workers are getting tested if they arent vaccinated, migrants have to get tested even if they are vaccinated
funnily enough the law is unequal but now how you think
Narasumas
Member
One is domestic policy, and the other is immigration law. They are not equal…because they are different.
funkygunther
Banned
and yet this whole conversation started because of a Fox News reporter conflating the two
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Narasumas
Member
And again…there is a difference between testing and vaccinating which is the point you brought up. One is tested as per an immigration vetting process, another is mandated to be vaccinated. Jen Psaki herself said immigrants are not being vaccinated. These are different things. Duecy (spelling?) did not conflate, he made the distinction between the two.
funkygunther
Banned
if the worker is not vaccinated they get tested, the Fox reporter ignored that part of the policy
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
You are being played. They are intentionally ignoring the other part of the policy in order to make it look like there is some kind of double standard going. There isn't.
You getting worked up about this was exactly what was wanted when the question was asked. It's just a talking point that has been drummed up in order to distract away from the real issues being discussed.
Narasumas
Member
I’m not worked up, just bumping the topic along. It starts much higher than that though NI- that we are not enforcing our current laws we have in place. It’s what I said earlier, you can’t cherry pick. We’ve been trying to cherry pick our way through all kinds of issues over the years via political beliefs (right or left). A law is a law is a law…until it’s obfuscated for four years. Anyways, I’m done with immigration (respectfully)—another topic, another day. COVID is the thread.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
BarringGaffner
Member
If illegal immigrants were given the vaccine as soon as they arrive the talking point would be how they are prioritizing their lives over Americans. Or some other twist on it.
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Narasumas
Member
I really don’t want to derail…but are we saying that every person coming in through the border is following immigration law, and for those that don’t meet criteria and enter, are we following up with said persons at a later date? My family farms the McCallen border, I’ve seen this play out thru the court (or lack thereof) process for years. I’m saying there hasn’t been accountability at the border for decades.
BarringGaffner
Member
Fun tweets
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Oh so you are just complaining about immigration. I couldn't care less about that right now. I'm talking about Covid. What is being cherrypicked and what laws are being obfuscated in direct relation to Covid and the policies that surround it.
Not sure if you did the math there, because it doesn't really support your case (you'd get ~114K dead, which is far less than COVID has actually killed). Regardless, the fact remains that the actual risk from COVID is not nearly large enough to justify the measures we're seeing enacted, the loss of liberty, and the fundamental changes to our society which are occurring.
BarringGaffner
Member
I’d say hospitals filling up is a fairly fundamental change to our society in itself. What’s your plan?
BouncyFrag
Member
Lol. What an absolute fraud.
Narasumas
Member
I really am done after this man…it’s draining me, I’m not up for pedantic nitpicking with people on the internet. It’s not my thing. But to answer your question, the law being obfuscated is the actual ENFORCEMENT of the border security.
If New Yorkers can’t enter a pizza shop without a vaccine, why would we allow someone in the country without one? Back to my point of equal application. There has to be consistency, or by virtue there is inconsistency. Inconsistency threatens the uniformity of a system, and then at some point your system doesn’t work. It’s a slow process, but that’s what can happen.
I will agree it has derailed, and that’s not my intention. It’s been sought by others.
Wow, this administration is just NEXT LEVEL crazy. EDIT: Referring more to her complete avoidance of the question and flippant manner rather than the larger issue, though there is definitely rank hypocrisy there as well.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yeah I'm not getting into immigration nonsense. If you want to talk about Covid and it's policies then I'm all for it. That's what this whole thread is for obviously. But complaining and debating about whether or not immigration is being properly handled is a topic that took place in a section that is long dead now. Praise be. I put that kind of talk right up there with the race based nonsense that a few people have already tried to bring up in this thread and I am not going to waste time on immigration deflections. It is a quagmire of politics and opinion that just gets in the way of any reasonable and intelligent discussion.
Not to mention that just like the race related arguments that were made earlier have no impact or importance to the actual discussion at hand. It is just distraction that have been drummed up by the powers at be to distract from the real issues.
Did you read the article that I linked about the vaccine mandate precedent set by the SCOTUS yet? Never heard a response from you on that unless I missed a notification. If I did then I apologize.
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Jaysen
Banned
That’s stupid. It is 100 percent clear for whom the vaccine is good and for those it isn’t. This shouldn’t be an internal debate. That’s utterly ridiculous.
Jaysen
Banned
Yeah we get it, you’re desperate to politicize an international health crisis.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
It's insane to me that this vaccine shit is still causing such division.
We better hope we don't get a worse pandemic than COVID because we'd be so fucked. We're either going to have our homes doors bolted shut because of government overreach or we're all going to die bc "my freedoms over civilization"
Either way it's going to be game over.
We better hope we don't get a worse pandemic than COVID because we'd be so fucked. We're either going to have our homes doors bolted shut because of government overreach or we're all going to die bc "my freedoms over civilization"
Either way it's going to be game over.
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Narasumas
Member
But you know that person 100% well enough to decide it’s “good for them”? Because if you don’t, then it’s still a personal issue.
I’m glad your situation is transparent enough that you fully understand your circumstances…but it’s not always that way for everyone. I agree that in summary, the masses and majority should be vaccinated, but it should not be forced. Simple.