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Austin Evans Defends His PS5 Revision Video (Let's Talk About The New PS5)
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Calverz
Member
Yea I’m waiting on gamerjesus too. Never watch this guy
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Topher
Gold Member
Nope. Never made any such claim at all and you know it. I have no idea who threatened Austin. Neither do you. But you are the one trying to vilify an entire fanbase because of the actions of a small few. Sorry, but you lose the moral high ground you pretend to stand on when you turn this into PlayStation fans vs Xbox fans. That is exactly what you are doing. Normally, you are better than this.
Edit: If you want to associate entire fanbases with a few bad apples then you are going to need one hell of broad brush to do your painting.
Xbox Fires Female Host Because She Was Receiving Death Threats
Xbox Brazil defies logic in a confusing firing.
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Cyberpunk 2077 developers ask for basic human decency after receiving death threats over game delay
Developers at CD Projekt Red are highlighting unacceptable harassment.
www.theverge.com
The problem here is you are fine with opinionated comments as long as you agree with it but anyone who disagrees with it or even calls it into question is a "radical fanboy". You don't have any leg to stand on when it comes to preaching about toxicity, "my boy".
Or according to
Derktron
they are "radical fanboys" at the very least.
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kingkenny76
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PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
And its the same in the Xbox fanboy community, so whats your point??
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You guys realize that worse doesn't = bad, right?
If this forum is consistent on anything it's the win is what's important, by how much or the quality of the loser is irrelevant. By the standards of this very forum the old ps5 is better.
To all the click bait comments, here is a great video to explain why YouTube has made it basically necessary.
LimanimaPT
Member
The real problem here, is that nowadays any moron can make a video and have worldwide attention.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
And be followed and defended by an army of other morons.
ZywyPL
Banned
Fixed. Just because Sony is incompetent and went with the easiest/laziest solution a.k.a. throwing 2kg of copper/aluminum doesn't mean there's anything to brag about, quite the opposite.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Sounds like ABANDONED topic.
"any moron can lie about making silent hill game and army of morons will cling to it"
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
how is that a bad solution? it works quite well and looks in my opinion nicer than xbox
ZywyPL
Banned
But it makes the console's size absolutely huge, it's even bigger than the OG PS3. They could've just go with vapor chamber and make it way more compact.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Haha typical King trash. There is no lie in that video.
Also on the topic of clickbait hahaha
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yeah it is a bit huge and mostly only makes sense vertically. For me it's ok but I did had to modify ikea kallax to make it fit vertically. ps4 slim was sitting there invisibly
Topher
Gold Member
I have it sitting on my desk next to my monitor and while it is larger than other consoles, it is much much smaller than my gaming PC. Really, this size isn't an issue at all for me, personally. Sony made decisions you don't agree with and that is fine, but that doesn't make them incompetent.
prinz_valium
Member
NVM it's a new one. Still 0 value in that video.
Literally 0 value for any normal person in the world.
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PropellerEar
Member
Liquid metal and enabling Smartshift.
Doesn't sound lazy to me.
michaelius
Banned
Doesn't look like he apologised for misleading people with his take. That's why you don't give clicks to random morons on YT but wait for tech jesus or DF to make measurments.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
This.
Also, the bigger the audience, the higher the chance that you'll attract the attention of the dickhead minority. Its inevitable, and should surprise noone.
The guy went for drama clicks, and is now milking it by complaining about being targeted by trolls.
In the immortal words of Scott Steiner: No sympy.
Using liquid metal to try to get vapor chamber performance out of a common and cheap hestsink with pipes is actually really smart.
Price is a key factor that is ignored but for Sony it is really important to have a console that is already profitable at 500$. Just like it was important to have something that could be launched starting a 399$.
Also the whole idea of boosting frequencies as much as they could designing for a certain max power consumption was an other great idea that allowed to get the best performance out of a smaller chip that not only is cheaper but allowed for better hardware supply in the short term and will allow for huge savings once it's shrinked down furtherly in 2022/2023.
The real issue nowadays is precisely this:
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
Address being called an MS shill by telling us he is a shill (blackmailing Sony to get hardware and sponsoring or showing MS he can help them, both could work).
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
LMAO punk got punked.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
>unironically posts king thrash
>gets thumbs up from the sony boys
This explains... a lot.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Austin Evans is a clickbait artist.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Not doing anything, he's doing it to himself. I'm just showing you what he's doing.
BlackTron
Member
I've just learned additional details that the revised PS5's APU is lower nanometer than original PS5. We also know that the fan is different and has more blades. These are only the details we know about.
The culmination of all these changes in the revised PS5 is still not yet known. We may even find it runs COOLER. Time will tell.
EDIT: Sorry, the 6nm is coming later. I saw it asserted in the comments section of an article but the guy was clearly wrong. I should have fact-checked that better.
The culmination of all these changes in the revised PS5 is still not yet known. We may even find it runs COOLER. Time will tell.
EDIT: Sorry, the 6nm is coming later. I saw it asserted in the comments section of an article but the guy was clearly wrong. I should have fact-checked that better.
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MasterCornholio
Member
You know the same fan be applied to Gamer Nexus. The difference is that Gamer Nexus will do actual tests to back up his claims. Like he won't call it worse if his tests don't show that. Same thing with his comments of performance getting worse due to the heat.
I'm expecting a lot less people to get mad at him because he will do a much better job proving his claims.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Worse implies going from bad to more bad!
Anyway, if you had watched the video you would know he talks about potential reduced lifespan, speed degradation due to throttling, overheating, etc. He meant worse when he wrote it... Even tho he has no clue what he is talking about.
To be fair I have seen other "tech" YouTubers use the thermal camera "technique" to measure hardware temps, on PC which is just strange as you can get temps from a CPU or many other components much more reliably, with the relevant data.
That Austin guy is a tool for MS marketing.
skit_data
Member
6nm?
I assumed that it would be in a future revision, are you sure this is the case? Any sources?
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Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
The poll here asks whether people agree with his opinions and I feel that in itself has been an issue as it shouldn't be about opinions. In terms of the differences between the two consoles and measuring temperature differences there are basic scientific ways to get obtain benchmarks and compare them reviewed by peers much as you would with anything scientific.
The other thread had it's title changed to something about the new version outputting more heat than the earlier version but in all honesty, he hasn't done anything to establish that is accurate and I feel the title of that thread really flatters his authority in what is essential his profession.
I know that if I'd presented work that was even approaching the quality of the work that he's presented in his profession that I would have quite correctly had my contract terminated years ago. I struggle to believe that what he showed in that video is genuinely the best that he is capable of, it makes no sense to me that somebody would be willing to present what they much know is such low quality work and also do it in such a public manner.
Although that is the only video of his that I've watched I genuinely feel sorry for him if considers what he did to be the correct way to obtain scientific results.
The other thread had it's title changed to something about the new version outputting more heat than the earlier version but in all honesty, he hasn't done anything to establish that is accurate and I feel the title of that thread really flatters his authority in what is essential his profession.
I know that if I'd presented work that was even approaching the quality of the work that he's presented in his profession that I would have quite correctly had my contract terminated years ago. I struggle to believe that what he showed in that video is genuinely the best that he is capable of, it makes no sense to me that somebody would be willing to present what they much know is such low quality work and also do it in such a public manner.
Although that is the only video of his that I've watched I genuinely feel sorry for him if considers what he did to be the correct way to obtain scientific results.
BlackTron
Member
You are correct sir. I've edited my post.
MikeM
Member
I just want to put this out there as a potential reason why Sony did this:
www.sony.com
I am assuming that even though the cooling is objectively worse that it still runs within spec.
Sony Group Portal - Sony Global Environmental Plan
Overview of the Sony Global Environmental Plan
I am assuming that even though the cooling is objectively worse that it still runs within spec.
Papacheeks
Banned
Serious question Bernd, did you watch the other video Kingtrhash shows of austin? It shows him showing off xbox series x running at similar temp from exhaust yet says nothing about possible degradation of performance or life span of console.
He literally covers xbox and uses same methodology and its heat output doesn't come into question at all. Yet new re-engineered PS5 that puts out literally the same temp as xbox series x is going to have less life span or performance hits?
How is that logic sound? And if Austin wasn't a product guy and actually had engineering degree, he would know that there are different ways within thermal dynamics to dissipate heat with smaller to larger coolers with difference in density's, material, and fan designs to get the same endgoal.
It's almost like he never understands that when your building something that you always over engineer then refine it as more real world use data comes back to their engineers. He acts like Sony hasnt been making products longer than many other companies?
Like why are they the only company using liquid metal? Why is sony using a almost cyclone/blower style fan but with wider fins that have a curvature to them compared to previous. Possibly they had that copper plate there to over compensate for heat absorption.
But because of the surface area it covers, thats more area occupied by something thats going to have transfer of heat through it, so any empty space that could have cool ambient temperature by air entering through the side vents is now less effective because of the larger area the copper plate occupies. SO the fan has to actually work harder to expel the heat and also create more suction through front/side vents to bring in cool air.
So if you remove the copper plate and some of the heatsink more cool air can occupy the space, and with that combined with the new fan can get more cool air that compensates for any increase in core temp. So there for everything is still within spec, and the console is even quieter than previous making it possibly more efficient.
The fact he had it apart, and didn't look hard that there's obvious a different fan, to me shows he did not do this for the sake of being accurate. He wanted to show the innards because of weight change, and made conclusions that its automatically worse without any other forethought on literally every company that does redesigns based on data from people who have the product and extensive testing past release.
He's not good as a technical engineer, he knows how to operate a product and nothing more than that, then when people call him out and point to other sites that ask those questions about his methodology in how he got to those claims he plays the victim.
Now getting Doxx'd and death threats sucks, but if your a professional and have the capital you can set your company/organization up so that stuff really never gets to you or you understand that being in the public eye in entertainment it's going to happen.
Happens in news....a lot and I work in news.
Austin is out of his depth outside of showing off products, when it comes to in-depth analysis he falls short every time and all of his product videos have to be taken as that because if you can't give valid in-depth analysis and testing then how are you suppose to have a better understanding of engineered specific designs for products?
sublimit
Banned
Anyone who knows who Austin Evans is shouldn't be surprised about any of that.
ZywyPL
Banned
Exactly, - they wen't through all the hustle to figure out how to apply liquid metal which by itself is more expensive the na thermal paste) on a global production scale in the manufacturing process, and then the console still requires quite a lot of copper and aluminum, which again, aren't cheap. So I really cannot see their solution being justified considering the drawbacks, did they really saved THAT much money, if any at all?
prinz_valium
Member
Nothing about the PS5 cooling solution is cheap and easy.
It's probably around 2x as expensive as the Series X
It's probably around 2x as expensive as the Series X
skit_data
Member
Considering the liquid metal doesn’t degrade they probably saved themselves a lot of bad rep and having to replace units with wrongfully applied thermal paste (which has been an issue with both PS3 and PS4, to at least some extent).
Edit: By bad rep I mean all the ”my ps4 sounds like a jet engine”.
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PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
Its not worse dont keep parroting his lies, the guy is a joke.I just want to put this out there as a potential reason why Sony did this:
Sony Group Portal - Sony Global Environmental Plan
Overview of the Sony Global Environmental Plan
I am assuming that even though the cooling is objectively worse that it still runs within spec.
And even it is 3 degrees, the techies at Sony know what they are doing. Its only feeding the console boys war and gives him more clicks. And his damagecontrolling is pathetic.
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Derktron
Banned
Nope. Never made any such claim at all and you know it. I have no idea who threatened Austin. Neither do you. But you are the one trying to vilify an entire fanbase because of the actions of a small few. Sorry, but you lose the moral high ground you pretend to stand on when you turn this into PlayStation fans vs Xbox fans. That is exactly what you are doing. Normally, you are better than this.
Edit: If you want to associate entire fanbases with a few bad apples then you are going to need one hell of broad brush to do your painting.
Xbox Fires Female Host Because She Was Receiving Death Threats
Xbox Brazil defies logic in a confusing firing.Cyberpunk 2077 developers ask for basic human decency after receiving death threats over game delay
Developers at CD Projekt Red are highlighting unacceptable harassment.
The problem here is you are fine with opinionated comments as long as you agree with it but anyone who disagrees with it or even calls it into question is a "radical fanboy". You don't have any leg to stand on when it comes to preaching about toxicity, "my boy".
Or according to
Look at a pretty fanboy trying so fucking hard to claim something and say I’m a radical fanboy. You guys are truly pathetic. You are going on my ignore list because I really can’t stand people like you who defend and act radical. That’s what you people are, all fanboys are radical and are very dangerous. It doesn’t matter if you are Sony, PC, Nintendo and Xbox. All are scum, so tired of people like you
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