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[Panajev2001a]

I get his moral point, but at this stage he is just assaulting random companies to push an agenda.

They should sue him for defamation or harassment for example, if we had an industry consortium / association that shielded the devs from the internet blowback suing would be the first step. Something got to stop Twitter and social media being weaponised and circumvent the rule of law.

 

[haxan7]

I get his moral point, but at this stage he is just assaulting random companies to push an agenda.

They should sue him for defamation or harassment for example, if we had an industry consortium / association that shielded the devs from the internet blowback suing would be the first step. Something got to stop Twitter and social media being weaponised and circumvent the rule of law.

The rule of law is automatically subverted by the power of Dorsey’s beard alone. I mean just look at it.

 

[McCheese]

The black disabled woman who took the photo is probably super confused by all this

 

[borborygmus]

I get his moral point

This is why it's a slippery slope. Every time someone concedes an inch, the Overton window shifts.

There is nothing even the slightest bit immoral about this development team not being "diverse."

You're trying too hard to be diplomatic and have a child's idea of what the voice of reason sounds like. edit: too harsh. I should have thought of a nicer way to make this point. Sorry.

 

[dDoc]

What a sausage party of a team

On topic, must be slow news season for Schreider. He just hopped on the SJW bandwagon or has he been saying idiocies for a while now?

 

[MistBreeze]

a picture of all white men in 2021?

how come ?

DANGER DANGER

everyone be careful

red code alarm, repeat read code alarm

please evacuate immediately

Pathetic.... and Im not even a white male

Im brown middle eastern male

if they produce a good game I will buy and support I do not care about any studio race or gender or skin color I care about their creativity and games

 

[TheGrat1]

Jason Schreier

Why not be the change you wan to see in the world, Jason? Start your own studio.

None of your business Jason, you can hire who you want.

Are you the CherryPepsi?

 

[Panajev2001a]

This is why it's a slippery slope. Every time someone concedes an inch, the Overton window shifts.

There is nothing even the slightest bit immoral happening here.

I get that, I understand some of the core bit, but we are past that. It is now closer to witch hunts (McCarty like Commies Witch Hunt) and harassment.

The only way is for people like this to get a taste of their own medicine and get sued if they launch lynch mobs at people.

The irony is that they generally attack and harass by abusing the paradox of tolerance by Popper, mocking free speech defences, ignoring intent (“intentions do not matter, it only matters how people on the receiving end feel”), etc… things they would use to shield themselves if sued or attacked for what they do.
It feels like they want to drag all those freedoms down with them by abusing them as much as possible to further their agenda… as if free speech laws were to be curtailed as a result they still win.

 

[borborygmus]

I get that, I understand some of the core bit, but we are past that. It is now closer to witch hunts (McCarty like Commies Witch Hunt) and harassment.

The only way is for people like this to get a taste of their own medicine and get sued if they launch lynch mobs at people.

The irony is that they generally attack and harass by abusing the paradox of tolerance by Popper, mocking free speech defences, ignoring intent (“intentions do not matter, it only matters how people on the receiving end feel”), etc… things they would use to shield themselves if sued or attacked for what they do.
It feels like they want to drag all those freedoms down with them by abusing them as much as possible to further their agenda… as if free speech laws were to be curtailed as a result they still win.

To give them any credit at all is too much. You're entitled to your opinion of course but the readiness with which you give them some points in order to appear balanced is exactly the reason why we're losing. Even if you ultimately disagree with them, even the little credit you do give them is unconvincing, as though the core point had any kind of merit when really it's just racism.

Not everything fits neatly into the "on one hand... on the other hand" template where everyone gets some points and it's fallacious to apply this pattern in cases like this.

 

[mcjmetroid]

The more I see of twitter these days, with the crazy reactions and accusations is insane.

You can see that basically most normal people have left the entirety of it behind, and all you're left with in most cases are the most insane, terrible people imaginable.

There's a clear gap in the conversation, one side is completely silenced and the other is just extreme shouting. Any rational and normal people just don't even bother injecting themselves into any sort of nuanced debate or topic. The more this happens, the more batshit the people who do post look.

Because they know it works. Foolishly companies started listening to these guys a fee years ago screaming about everything and Bowing down to them.

And for the most part it works.

These base dwellers get a tiny bit of power and they are addicted to it.

The solution: don't go on twitter.
I'm still never sure why any developer goes on twitter.

 

[Eimran]

His wife's boyfriend must be proud of him

 

[Panajev2001a]

To give them any credit at all is too much. You're entitled to your opinion of course but the readiness with which you give them some points in order to appear balanced is exactly the reason why we're losing. Even if you ultimately disagree with them, even the little credit you do give them is unconvincing, as though the core point had any kind of merit when really it's just racism.

Not everything fits neatly into the "on one hand... on the other hand" template where everyone gets some points and it's fallacious to apply this pattern in cases like this.

If we are taking everything with a war like mentality like they do… we already lost.

The core point had some merit… there is racism, there is sexism, and other problems out there. So saying that nothing should be done about it to improve society is a lost cause. The reason we are “losing” is not that we are not zealots like they are, but that what we have is fragile and requires a lot of society wide effort and common sense and understanding of pros and cons and sacrifices (presumption of innocence, double jeopardy, and reasonable doubt have a cost… a few evil people will walk free, that has to be ok).

Not throwing the baby with the bath water seems like an apt expression… as now apparently we are fighting amongst each other furthering a “divide et impera” bit…

 

[Panajev2001a]

Because they know it works. Foolishly companies started listening to these guys a fee years ago screaming about everything and Bowing down to them.

And for the most part it works.

These base dwellers get a tiny bit of power and they are addicted to it.

The solution: don't go on twitter.
I'm still never sure why any developer goes on twitter.

It is more than this, read this: https://locusmag.com/2020/01/cory-doctorow-inaction-is-a-form-of-action/

Problem is that very few companies are starting to hold more power than countries are. You might not be on Twitter but what if due to online discourse Steam boots you off the store or deprioritises you in their rankings? What if PayPal or Patreon or Kickstarter it your funding sources? What if VISA does? These are happening more and more frequently for smaller and smaller things.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

I fucking despise the world we live in

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I fucking despise the world we live in

 

[GymWolf]

I'm really surprised that reeeee doesn't have 3 topic about this.

 

[borborygmus]

If we are taking everything with a war like mentality like they do… we already lost.

The core point had some merit… there is racism, there is sexism, and other problems out there. So saying that nothing should be done about it to improve society is a lost cause. The reason we are “losing” is not that we are not zealots like they are, but that what we have is fragile and requires a lot of society wide effort and common sense and understanding of pros and cons and sacrifices (presumption of innocence, double jeopardy, and reasonable doubt have a cost… a few evil people will walk free, that has to be ok).

Not throwing the baby with the bath water seems like an apt expression… as now apparently we are fighting amongst each other furthering a “divide et impera” bit…

There is no core point on their side. It's all fake. They are literally racist and whatever else they accuse us of. There is only virtue signaling but not any actual virtue. And their entire strategy relies on us doing exactly what you're doing, which is to give credit to their empty words. It's exactly how we slip down the slippery slope inch by inch.

I think this is necessary to point out and it's better that this argument be made even if it can be seen as infighting, than to just keep on giving them credit without anyone saying anything.

 

[strange headache]

I fucking despise the world we live in

My god, that Mitch Dyer person is a real proper bumhole.



Dude is just trying to put a team together with minimal resources, but for the twitnazis social media optics are more important than necessity.
Social media zealots are so detached from real life, it's not even funny anymore.

 

[BouncyFrag]

Incoming pendulum of biblical proportions en route.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

My god, that Mitch Dyer person is a real proper bumhole.



Dude is just trying to put a team together with minimal resources, but for the twitnazis social media optics are more important than necessity.
Social media zealots are so detached from real life, it's not even funny anymore.

He doesnt give up

 

[Bernd Lauert]

He doesnt give up

As a normal dude, does it feel safe, positive and inclusive to work with deranged danger hair people? Or does it feel like walking on eggshells the entire time, having to suppress the urge to react to their countless insanities? I genuinely don't know, I only work with normal people (and been working from home for almost a year now anyway).

 

[GymWolf]

And the dogpiling continues.

The tweet from the rainbow imbecile is infuriating.

Did he and his diverse team even developed something good?!

 

[strange headache]

He doesnt give up

 

[SJRB]

These assholes are killing their own industry and they don't even realize it.

Who the fuck wants to start a new company if all it gets you is hounding by rabid """woke""" morons on social media? Who sees that Gestapo interrogation and thinks "yeah I think I'll go make a videogame"?

Cretins.

 

[GymWolf]

Every time Jason sees a potential controversy

Too good looking, more like this

 

[Soodanim]

He doesnt give up

Jason Schreier and Mitch Dyer wanted more black people working for free, confirmed.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

Not him again lol

 

[phil_t98]

this guy just looks for controversy when there is none there. I can't believe he still gets posted here as much as he does

 

[SJRB]

Not him again lol

How can you "do better" in terms of "diversity" in the founders [aka less white straight men] when you're the one founding a studio? You can't just switch your skin color or sexual orientation or something.

I wanna start a studio but problem: I am not diverse enough. So guess I'll transition to a woman to please some randos on Twitter. What a world. Guys like Alex Hutchinson are not around to please YOUR view of the world, you sack of potatoes.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

If it was all women or all composed entirely of members of any other race they wouldn't have any problem.

They don't go to India or Africa or Korea and say their dev.s need to be inclusive.

 

[nush]

Not him again lol

The male feminist with a mail order wife. You can't make this shit up.

 

[nbkicker]

How you should hire staff for a videogame development studio according to Jason and the like:

The daft thing is, this is now happening out in the world, the place i work has now hired a group of people to ‘help with diversity in the workplace’ as they are saying there isnt enough women or lbgt etc compared to males and they need to change that by 2030 where there a equal split, theres a man being doing a temp job there for last 10yrs and they officially boarded the job and hes lost out to female whos never worked here and apparently hasnt got a clue how the buisness works, my nephew applied for a apprenticeship and never got a interview yet he also applied but altered his name and changed his sex to female and got offered a interview right away. Gone are the days where people get a job or promotion for there ability and what they can do

 

[ShadowNate]

Lol, here comes the pile on from the rest of the shitheads.

Why engage with them in the first place? Dude, these people are not your friends, they don't really care for diversity or the health of your company, or *as explicitly stated* the quality of your product.

If anything, they will rile up a mob, and won't stop until you have apologized, done some "diversity" hires to meet their quota, and your team eats itself from the inside.

Ignore them forever, like they are not important and don't have a say (best option), or tell them to fuck off (best option for me as a observer of this drama, not so good for your marketing probably).

 

[Heart_Attack]

The diversity police. No wonder american made video games quality has gone to shit outside of a few indies.

 

[cripterion]

This dude is an ass.

 

[KormaChameleon]

The daft thing is, this is now happening out in the world, the place i work has now hired a group of people to ‘help with diversity in the workplace’ as they are saying there isnt enough women or lbgt etc compared to males and they need to change that by 2030 where there a equal split, theres a man being doing a temp job there for last 10yrs and they officially boarded the job and hes lost out to female whos never worked here and apparently hasnt got a clue how the buisness works, my nephew applied for a apprenticeship and never got a interview yet he also applied but altered his name and changed his sex to female and got offered a interview right away. Gone are the days where people get a job or promotion for there ability and what they can do

You would think this kind of stuff would be illegal. We are evolving but going backwards.

Also to go back on topic, Why does it matter? Surely studios can hire people based on TALENT. Not the colour of their skin or what gentiles they were born it. We are evolving but going backwards.

 

[Arcadialane]

Not sure why people complicate things in terms of motives here, how do people still not see what's going on?


Some of those people in the picture might be hardcore capitalists or even socialist
Some of them might be short or ugly or have body issues
Some of them might come from riches or poverty
Some of them might be gay or bi
Some of them may have unseen disabilities that effect their lives
Some of them might be left learning or progressive
Some of them may have lived all kinds of different lives being raised in different countries.

it doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that they are WHITE

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

“Do better.”
”Yikes.”
”It’s rather telling.”

The monotony of these people’s vocabulary is a tragedy in itself. If I had a tenth of a penny for every time these expressions were used on Twitter, Bezos‘d be cry.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

How you should hire staff for a videogame development studio according to Jason and the like:

The bonus would be for Trans not gay, don't know why they lump us all together we are completely different. Not saying I have any problem at all with Trans people I want them to live a happy life free from discrimination but they seem to take up a hell of a lot of time in any conversation about anything "woke" and represent less than 1% of the population.

I'm gay, I don't want to be hired because I'm gay I just want to make sure people can't use me being gay as a reason not to hire me or to fire me if they think that part of my life is some kind of choice that they happen to disagree with, it's not a choice I don't care what that guy who begs for money on Sunday morning that you only see 3 times a year says. Of course I don't introduce myself as "Hello, nice to meet you ,I'm gay" lol that's something that comes up in time as you get to know people you don't put it on a name tag. People who are "allies" are great but don't go overboard trying to proclaim your support just treat me the same as you treat everyone else and we are great.

 

[The Skull]

I couldn't ever imagine being this out of touch with reality. Are they just going to continue with this shit until every game studio has their "correct" ratio of men to women, to minorities? Like what is the end game here?

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

“Do better.”
”Yikes.”
”It’s rather telling.”

The monotony of these people’s vocabulary is a tragedy in itself. If I had a tenth of a penny for every time these expressions were used on Twitter, Bezos‘d be cry.

Add "vile", "tone deaf" and 'literally shaking right now" to that list.

 

[nbkicker]

You would think this kind of stuff would be illegal. We are evolving but going backwards.

Also to go back on topic, Why does it matter? Surely studios can hire people based on TALENT. Not the colour of their skin or what gentiles they were born it. We are evolving but going backwards.

Especially when im working in a nuclear industry, youd think they would want the best people working there, not picking people who are clueless just to keep the diversity toll happy #Chernobylherewecome

 

[Sephimoth]

Probably would have been better for the guy to just block him instantly rather than engage.

 

[TheDreadLord]

Diversity for people like him boiles down to color, gender… what about actual diversity of thought? Are they being racists/sexists by assuming colored/lgbtqia+ people can’t think in a different way they believe it should be?

 

[Denton]

I fucking despise the world we live in

I just despire Mitch Dyer, morons like him, and developers who bent the knee to morons like him.

 

[GymWolf]

The male feminist with a mail order wife. You can't make this shit up.

Don't forget that he is also a disgusting chicken eater.

 

[Panajev2001a]

There is no core point on their side. It's all fake. They are literally racist and whatever else they accuse us of. There is only virtue signaling but not any actual virtue. And their entire strategy relies on us doing exactly what you're doing, which is to give credit to their empty words. It's exactly how we slip down the slippery slope inch by inch.

I think this is necessary to point out and it's better that this argument be made even if it can be seen as infighting, than to just keep on giving them credit without anyone saying anything.

Nope, their argument relies on people successfully being shamed, duopolies or effective monopolies which customers have accepted (read the article I linked to), and to have a direct war between zealot camps that if it results in curtailed freedom of speech laws / freedoms nets them a win regardless.

Anti SJW vs SJW is the scenario they are trying to create, but .

 

[SkylineRKR]

What if you're looking to hire, and no single candidate is LBGT/black/yellow/purple/woman etc? You stop hiring and basically cancel your own studio?

This isn't about quality anymore, or personality. Its about your sexual preference and color of skin. What if all those happen to be asses on the working floor, well at least you can boast being diverse.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What if you're looking to hire, and no single candidate is LBGT/black/yellow/purple/woman etc? You stop hiring and basically cancel your own studio?

This isn't about quality anymore, or personality. Its about your sexual preference and color of skin. What if all those happen to be asses on the working floor, well at least you can boast being diverse.

They have an answer for that… it is the slippery slope part. “False predicament, you can always search a bit wider do better and you will see those candidates appear, etc…”.

 

[Rossco EZ]

jason is a bitch