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[Dust-by-Monday]

I don't care if it happens in one level at the beginning of the game, or if it happens only every once in a while. If the game has screen tearing or adaptive vsync, I will not buy it, PERIOD.

I can't believe even with all the power of the brand new consoles, we still have to put up with screen tearing. What's so hard about enabling vsync?

Vsync has almost no consequences these days. Double-Buffered vsync isn't even really used anymore, so you don't have to worry about your frame rate going from 60-30 for example or from 30-20.

It upsets me that games still use adaptive vsync rather than triple-buffered vsync that allows the frame rate to drop to say 58fps without screen tearing.

Will you get a couple stutters? Sure, but at least the image will be clean and not all cut up and broken. Not sure how anyone can think a sliced up image looks better than a couple stutters every now and again.

End of rant.

 

[funkygunther]

sounds like someone’s been played Assassins Creed Valhalla

 

[Velius]

Just force VSync what are you talking about

 

[Black_Stride]

Just force VSync what are you talking about

I think he is talking about on console.
In which case good for him.
Everyone should have standards.

Is screen tearing much of an issue.
Dont think ive experienced screen tearing on console in years.
But then again i mostly play on PC and my monitor has freesync so I dont think I would have noticed screen tearing even on XB1X.

 

[Blond]

I think he is talking about on console.
In which case good for him.
Everyone should have standards.

Is screen tearing much of an issue.
Dont think ive experienced screen tearing on console in years.
But then again i mostly play on PC and my monitor has freesync so I dont think I would have noticed screen tearing even on XB1X.

Ubisoft screen tearing has improved but for a while it wasn’t uncommon to have a screen tear work itself top to bottom slowly down the screen for like 10-20 seconds, it was weird and obvious!

 

[gypsygib]

OP should really consider PC gaming and an adaptive sync monitor if a single screen tear is his biggest pet peeve.

 

[Kagey K]

Get a VRR enabled screen and device.
Never see a screen tear again
???????
Profit

 

[Hezekiah]

That's a whole lot of games.

 

[M1chl]

VRR/Gsync/Freesync, no seriously for this is amazing. I am not here arguing about this forum's mythos...

 

[Orion2]

yeah this is one of those things that has more to do with incompetent devs than game/platform, Full VSync, rightly paced/capped frames, 16xAF, clean TAA, clean motion blur, options to turn off motion blur and screen effects like vignette, CA, film grain etc. no load screens, should be a basic QA must rule to publish a native PS5 game on PS5

all of these quality of life/picture quality options have virtually no impact on performance or development time increase or anything like that, any legit game dev should be able to ensure this things in his game in like a day or two of work on a modern platform like the PS5

 

[Captain Toad]

If it happens one time, no matter how minor, you'll boycott an otherwise great game? That's your prerogative, but it seems like an awfully dumb hill to die on to me.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

If it happens one time, no matter how minor, you'll boycott an otherwise great game? That's your prerogative, but it seems like an awfully dumb hill to die on to me.

Some people won’t play a 30fps game no matter how good it is, so this vsync thing is my pet peeve.

 

[Skifi28]

How does that affect me?

 

[Captain Toad]

Some people won’t play a 30fps game no matter how good it is, so this vsync thing is my pet peeve.

If it happens constantly, I understand. But, it doing it once in a DF breakdown or something being a reason to boycott an entire game seems like overkill.

 

[nkarafo]

I think consoles aren't the right platform for you.

Get a PC for your gaming needs and have full control over vsync, frame rates, etc.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Sounds like you need a "next gen" display and a console capable of utilizing its VRR feature. I would recommend the QN90A.

 

[catvonpee]

Xbox Series X plus an LGCX or C1 and problem solved.

 

[Kuranghi]

I saw this video in the other thread and thought of you OP:

Dying light has the best mix of first-person melee combat and expanded moveset in gaming

This was going to be a thread about games that do both well, but I did some checking up and it seems like there aren't enough of them to even discuss. Even fewer that can be classified as 'good' in either aspect. The combined stipulation of an expanded movement system *and* melee combat (both...

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I feel you.

 

[The_Mike]

G sync will have your back OP. Screen tearing is a thing from the past.

 

[eastcoastkody]

stay away from PS3 then

 

[01011001]

then get a PC and a freesync/G-Sync display, or get an Xbox and an HDMi2.1 VRR or Freesync compatible TV
no tearing on any game (aside from the odd game here and there that simply don't support it... which happens, but is rare)

not sure if that's still the case on Series X, but at least the One X also forced V-sync in games that did have tearing, as soon as you set your system to 120hz output. not sure if the Series X does this for native games as well tho.

 

[MarkMe2525]

You have an opinion, thank you for sharing.

 

[Guilty_AI]

They probably use adaptative precisely because they know the game will keep having large frame drops constantly.

Honestly i kinda agree with you. If its gonna keep dropping all the time, they should just lower the quality in order to get smoother 60 fps or lock the game at 30.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

I have a PS5 so no VRR for me. I have a FreeSync compatible display that I used to use on PC, but I’m not buying a new monitor with HDMI 2.1 just for developers to be lazy.

 

[ReBurn]

i only play games with screen tearing. how weird is that?

 

[Guilty_AI]

i only play games with screen tearing. how weird is that?

very

 

[MrFunSocks]

I can't believe even with all the power of the brand new consoles, we still have to put up with screen tearing. What's so hard about enabling vsync?

Well only one console has to put up with screen tearing.....

I think he is talking about on console.
In which case good for him.
Everyone should have standards.

Is screen tearing much of an issue.
Dont think ive experienced screen tearing on console in years.
But then again i mostly play on PC and my monitor has freesync so I dont think I would have noticed screen tearing even on XB1X.

If you've played on consoles and not on a freesync monitor on an xbox then you've experienced screen tearing.

yeah this is one of those things that has more to do with incompetent devs than game/platform

Nah, screen tearing can be completely eliminated by the console supporting VRR, like Xbox does. That's the better option as it doesn't use any resources and allows the framerate to scale up with better hardware in the future.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Another reason people say "consoles for exclusives only and pc for everything else..."

 

[RafterXL]

Cool, you can use all that money you save to buy a decent tv. You'll solve your own problem!

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

Cool, you can use all that money you save to buy a decent tv. You'll solve your own problem!

Thing is…. I like my monitor and there is only 1 monitor in the size I want that supports HDMI spec VRR and I don’t really want it. I like the monitor I have now. Just wish developers didn’t fall back on the idea that people will just buy VRR displays to code their game poorly.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

If it happens constantly, I understand. But, it doing it once in a DF breakdown or something being a reason to boycott an entire game seems like overkill.

OP is a nutter. Can't imagine dropping a game for a single torn frame. I mean jesus christ, are you that much of a snowflake.

 

[grfunkulus]

I don't care if it happens in one level at the beginning of the game, or if it happens only every once in a while. If the game has screen tearing or adaptive vsync, I will not buy it, PERIOD.

I can't believe even with all the power of the brand new consoles, we still have to put up with screen tearing. What's so hard about enabling vsync?

Vsync has almost no consequences these days. Double-Buffered vsync isn't even really used anymore, so you don't have to worry about your frame rate going from 60-30 for example or from 30-20.

It upsets me that games still use adaptive vsync rather than triple-buffered vsync that allows the frame rate to drop to say 58fps without screen tearing.

Will you get a couple stutters? Sure, but at least the image will be clean and not all cut up and broken. Not sure how anyone can think a sliced up image looks better than a couple stutters every now and again.

End of rant.

Input lag? I guess if all you play is story games lul

 

[Kagey K]

Thing is…. I like my monitor and there is only 1 monitor in the size I want that supports HDMI spec VRR and I don’t really want it. I like the monitor I have now. Just wish developers didn’t fall back on the idea that people will just buy VRR displays to code their game poorly.

Well technology isn't going to wait for you.

There are going to be advancements, and either you grow with them or get left behind.

It's your choice, not theirs.

 

[RobRSG]

You probably skipped the Xbox 360 then.

 

[Black_Stride]

If you've played on consoles and not on a freesync monitor on an xbox then you've experienced screen tearing.
Nah, screen tearing can be completely eliminated by the console supporting VRR, like Xbox does. That's the better option as it doesn't use any resources and allows the framerate to scale up with better hardware in the future.

Ive had a 1440p Freesync monitor since like 2016/7
So its been years since I experienced screen tearing and before I had my 1440p monitor I played at 1080p and even my Launch Xbox barely had screen tearing.

Are there any titles that are notorious for screen tearing?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

There are good freesync monitors for like 200 bucks out there. Get one.

 

[YCoCg]

I have a PS5 so no VRR for me. I have a FreeSync compatible display that I used to use on PC, but I’m not buying a new monitor with HDMI 2.1 just for developers to be lazy.

Sony should be getting around to that soon, then all your problems will be gone.

 

[Fahdis]

There goes the whole PS3 catalog...

 

[Flyingpanther]

I hate screen tearing I put assassin's creed valhalla on 30fps just to avoid screentear. What is the reason that, that game tears at 60fps?

 

[rofif]

I've not seen vsync issue on console for like 7 years

 

[nbkicker]

Yeah screen tearing does my head in, was so glad when i built my big gaming pc two yrs ago, although at least it better then in the xbox360/ps3 days as some games on there i just stopped playing as it was doing my head in

 

[Daymos]

This is a good thread, it makes sense to hate screen tearing.. it's much more reasonable than the endless topics about "waahh 60 fps or I'm telling my mom!!"

The final fantasy pixel remasters have screen tearing, I'm waiting to see if there's a switch version of them... but I certainly won't buy that if they have tearing on console.

 

[Snarts]

Vsync does have consequences in that it adds quite a bit of inputlag. Now that is on PC and consoles could be a different story but I don't see why it would of it's the same process.

 

[Kev Kev]

So bold, so brave

 

[Clear]

Screen tearing is unacceptable to me also. Its just ugly.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

Vsync does have consequences in that it adds quite a bit of inputlag. Now that is on PC and consoles could be a different story but I don't see why it would of it's the same process.

Here's the thing though. Most games that tear use adaptive vsync which means that vsync is active until the frame rate drops, then it deactivates it and tears. So for the most part, vsync is on and as far as I know (from experience on PC) when the frame rate drops below 60fps, vsync can still be enabled, you'll just get a stutter instead of a tear and also, running below 60fps will reduce input lag regardless. I know this because I used to play Rocket League at 58fps just to keep vsync on and have no input lag. As soon as I uncapped the frame rate and let the monitor basically cap it at 60Hz, the input lag was unbearable. No tearing either way.

 

[LittleWing]

I don't care if it happens in one level at the beginning of the game, or if it happens only every once in a while. If the game has screen tearing or adaptive vsync, I will not buy it, PERIOD.

Is it an OCD or spectrum/autism thing? Not meaning that comment to be rude, genuinely asking.

 

[amigastar]

I don't like VSync because it has Delayed Input. Not sure about Nvidias G-Sync though.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

Is it an OCD or spectrum/autism thing? Not meaning that comment to be rude, genuinely asking.

I hate screen tearing with a passion. Something I developed during the PS3 era. Most PS4 games (especially exclusives) were free of any tearing, so it wasn't so bad, but I'm starting to see it crop up again in some PS5 games and it makes me sad. I think it's because of the push for 60fps. It's much harder to sustain 60fps all the time than it is to sustain 30fps.

I'm sure it will get better as time goes on. I remember a lot of early PS4 games tearing (such as Call of Duty Ghosts).

 

[Shut0wen]

I think he is talking about on console.
In which case good for him.
Everyone should have standards.

Is screen tearing much of an issue.
Dont think ive experienced screen tearing on console in years.
But then again i mostly play on PC and my monitor has freesync so I dont think I would have noticed screen tearing even on XB1X.

Screen tearing is the worst on xbox one, was pretty bad on fallout 3 and nv on the 360 and was even worst on red dead redemption for ps3