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Muckraking Tabloid Journalist Jason Schreier upset at a new game studio "Lacking Diversity in 2021"
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CGiRanger
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Already Gamasutra wrote a "follow-up" article to the one I posted in the OP. Of course, sourcing Jason/Twitter for all of it
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news..._after_announcing_mostlywhite_male_studio.php
Hate hate the press so much. Look how they tie/invoke the Activision Blizzard fiasco to this thing. It's fucking insanity.
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LordCBH
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Oh I was blocked by him long ago cause his fragile ego couldn’t deal with someone disagreeing with him lol. That’s when I learned he was just a little bitch.
ShadowNate
Member
He has an audience for this kind of shitty comments. Probably a big one, at least in twitter terms.
You'd think by now everyone would have seen through the act and would have ignored him into oblivion.
You'd think by now everyone would have seen through the act and would have ignored him into oblivion.
nkarafo
Member
That's a very complex premise for them to process. Too many words and dots to connect. SJWs are usually low attention span idiots. That's why they are SJWs.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
Actually China is slowly changing its mind. Woman are now being more integrated into male dominant fields: IT, military, police, engineering.
This motherfucker is such a leech. He has fun talking shit about others, playing the "good guy" card. He deserves to be sued to hell, leaving him in the shit... but I bet this motherfucker would still find a way to cry on twitter about other studios "wrong-doings".
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
Videogames make more than all other entertainment, including Hollywood. Hollywood doesn't like that. Hollywood gets people like him to do damage to what makes these games such a success. Don't you think film makers and actors work overtime, or "crunch" time to complete their projects? Does he go after them? No. Don't you think tv shows and film have carefully selected teams behind the best movies and shows? Does he go after them? No. It's all to destroy. Even Marvel movies have become too successful to exist. As long as they're good, other studios don't have much of a chance to beat them and that hurts a lot of egos and we're not talking about egos within normal parameters. (o)(o)
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Yep, I see that with my outsourcing, the Chinese women are more in project management, admin, CS roles over dev or art though. Not that I go to China for my art stuff. Pure code outsourcing there for me.
I see a bit of that with my India outsourcing but way less and less effective than the Chinese TBH. I use India way less than China based on quality of output, pay a little more for Chinese, get less errors and more accurate/clean code work for the requirements. My Brazil people are 50/50 male and female though, just as a reference. Here in Aus I deal with far more ladies in web marketing/art and way more men in the tech side of things for config/code etc. Pretty much parallels what I see in my client offices too. Frankly the western world easily lead the charge for diversity of gender and race, twitter can shut the fuck up unless they start to push global standards instead of razor focus on small studios like this thread.
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alabtrosMyster
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We are in 2021, there is no reason for not knowing at least one bipoc to join your studio (I don't know what bipoc is, they just get thrown around to push the woke agenda).
Otherwise, maybe you could get one of the guys to wear a dress for group pictures, and one to look suspiciously clean, that may cover your bases. Also releasing a diversity and inclusion conformity tweet once a week, active participation in cancel efforts may help cover your culprit butt.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
lol what an idiot. Diversity for diversity's sake isn't something to be proud of and shouldn't be the goal.
nkarafo
Member
He said "we added a woman". He didn't even say "We added Jessica" or something like that, to imply she is a person. He doesn't care about anything other than a pair of tits and a vagina.
You don't see how patronizing this is? If i was that woman he is referring to i would be pissed.
Needlecrash
Member
As someone who is black, I'm kinda sick of the buzz word "diversity". Diversity isn't only hiring one non white person to check a box. People acting like white people, in itself, isn't diverse (many diaspora from European/South African/Caribbean countries, LGBT, etc) . Stop using my race as a fucking quota. Hire me by what I can do, not what I look like. Diversity is good, but the end product is better. I want the best, race be damned. The last thing I want to end up with is another Mass Effect: Andromeda.
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nush
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You've not been here as long as I have, there were always women in these fields. You've seen enough women construction workers already right?
But it's not about equality, it's about making money. If a woman in China is prepared to dig ditches and lift bricks then she is in.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
I mean, I'm talking based on some things I know from older people and from my office.
I mean, why do people find jobs? Money. So I think they're doing it right here. Fuck that cry for equality bs, if you want a job, be sure to be ready and able to do it. Not cry your way into it.
Varteras
Gold Member
Had it been a studio of all black women it would have been celebrated. No matter how talentless or underqualified they were. There would have been no complaints of lacking diversity or inclusion. Instead it would be "brave" and "a studio to pay attention to". Western game developers are predominantly white because, brace yourselves, Western countries are overwhelmingly white demographically.
As far as it being all men, it's a small studio. An upstart. These guys all knew each other or had limited resources available to them so they wanted to make sure they hired who they felt was the most qualified. They don't owe anyone anything. They're trying to establish themselves. They're not a publicly traded company. When you have limitations you don't worry about what shit looks like to a whiny blogger. You worry about getting the most bang for your buck because that's how you're going to give yourself the better odds of producing something that gets noticed and makes money.
Whoever is running this studio is way more concerned about his mortgage getting paid than the "outrage" of some subscriber to the bullshit California doctrine of fairness. How does he know none of those guys are gay or bisexual? How does he know none of them tend towards being transgender? How does he know none of them have ties to racial minorities? How does he know none of them are sensitive to womens' issues? He saw a small group of white guys and got all screechy because he wants his readers to immediately envision a douchebag boys club.
And the piece of shit had the nerve to bring up Activision Blizzard. A massive corporate entity with thousands and thousands of employees that was a shit stain of a company BEFORE we found out there was a culture of sexual harassment within it. A company that, by the way, DID hire women and minorities. Ask them if it made for a better workplace. Ask their fans if it improved the products. Perhaps Schreier should spend less time crying about how someone deemed to run their small upstart company and more time advocating for a small studio of all women or all racial minorities.
Why is it the responsibility of white men to create something for anyone who isn't a white man? Literally nothing is stopping anyone else except the fucking boogeyman.
As far as it being all men, it's a small studio. An upstart. These guys all knew each other or had limited resources available to them so they wanted to make sure they hired who they felt was the most qualified. They don't owe anyone anything. They're trying to establish themselves. They're not a publicly traded company. When you have limitations you don't worry about what shit looks like to a whiny blogger. You worry about getting the most bang for your buck because that's how you're going to give yourself the better odds of producing something that gets noticed and makes money.
Whoever is running this studio is way more concerned about his mortgage getting paid than the "outrage" of some subscriber to the bullshit California doctrine of fairness. How does he know none of those guys are gay or bisexual? How does he know none of them tend towards being transgender? How does he know none of them have ties to racial minorities? How does he know none of them are sensitive to womens' issues? He saw a small group of white guys and got all screechy because he wants his readers to immediately envision a douchebag boys club.
And the piece of shit had the nerve to bring up Activision Blizzard. A massive corporate entity with thousands and thousands of employees that was a shit stain of a company BEFORE we found out there was a culture of sexual harassment within it. A company that, by the way, DID hire women and minorities. Ask them if it made for a better workplace. Ask their fans if it improved the products. Perhaps Schreier should spend less time crying about how someone deemed to run their small upstart company and more time advocating for a small studio of all women or all racial minorities.
Why is it the responsibility of white men to create something for anyone who isn't a white man? Literally nothing is stopping anyone else except the fucking boogeyman.
nush
Member
Because marketing, PR and press are all on it and they don't realize it just a loud echo chamber. Its a snake eating it's own tail, a cyclic self affirmation that they are right.
Porcile
Member
Posts ridiculously stupid thing on Twitter, gets ridiculously stupid responses on Twitter. Of course the death threats and racism are beyond stupid, but his blatant shit-stirring would be torn apart by anyone with intelligence on any other public forum.
He probably got a few nuanced responses too, which he probably blocked.
He probably got a few nuanced responses too, which he probably blocked.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Bloomberg should fire him and hire someone more diverse.
Of course then he'll scream that Jews aren't white or some bs...
Of course then he'll scream that Jews aren't white or some bs...
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I remember hearing about Jonestown (Jim Johnson) back in the day and not understanding how so many people could drink the literal and figurative cool aid.
Those were simpler times.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Software dev is also an overwhelmingly white male job. As one myself, in charge of interviews and hiring for my team, I’ve hired 50% of the women that have applied for positions. That’s 1 woman. In 9 years and probably 50 hires. I offered her the job because she was qualified for it and she interviewed amazingly well, more so and better than the men that interviewed for the position. The other woman that we have had apply was lacking experience and skills and knowledge, so she was not offered a job. I would have been furious if I was forced to hire her just for diversity.
Here in Australia one of our main national sports broadcasters basically only does diversity hires now and the product suffers because of it. Instead of hiring analysts and commentators who have played the game and/or know it inside and out they’ve hired clueless women who don’t know the players, the rules, the history of the sport, etc. The get the basics wrong and just make it painful to watch.
They changed the host of our longest running and most successful football show in tv history to a token women that doesn't know Football. It had been running for about 30 years by that point. They also added some women focused segments, with all women panels, focusing on bullshit like players wives and lives.
The show was canceled halfway through the first year with her as host.
Those tweets make my blood boil. If I want to start a company up I need to go out of my way to do so with diversity as a priority?! What the actual fuck. Do I need to go and find a danger hair transsexual woman, a gay poc woman, and an Asian man to partner with in a start up based on my idea?
Here in Australia one of our main national sports broadcasters basically only does diversity hires now and the product suffers because of it. Instead of hiring analysts and commentators who have played the game and/or know it inside and out they’ve hired clueless women who don’t know the players, the rules, the history of the sport, etc. The get the basics wrong and just make it painful to watch.
They changed the host of our longest running and most successful football show in tv history to a token women that doesn't know Football. It had been running for about 30 years by that point. They also added some women focused segments, with all women panels, focusing on bullshit like players wives and lives.
The show was canceled halfway through the first year with her as host.
Those tweets make my blood boil. If I want to start a company up I need to go out of my way to do so with diversity as a priority?! What the actual fuck. Do I need to go and find a danger hair transsexual woman, a gay poc woman, and an Asian man to partner with in a start up based on my idea?
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DispatchNinja
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What a fucking weasel. Quit your job then Jason since you’re a straight white male and give it to someone else based on their skin color or gender, or what pronoun they use.
Nezzeroth
Member
This is probably more true that we think.
HoodWinked
Member
Should have had one of the team wear a purple wig those count for double points to these grifting lunatics
but seriously think about the people that started this studio they work their asses off and take a huge risk then you have pieces of shit like those of his ilk finger wagging that you're not doing it right. seriously? fuck off dick bag.
but seriously think about the people that started this studio they work their asses off and take a huge risk then you have pieces of shit like those of his ilk finger wagging that you're not doing it right. seriously? fuck off dick bag.
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Kenpachii
Member
Ask what her race and her sexual orientation + gender is.
Then when that person reactions with I am a woman and black.
Then say, sorry we have to fire you. Because we hit our black and woman quota for our company. u gotta make room for a Asian transgender which we are lacking as the last one got another job so u also need to make room as result now to keep things in balance.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
It's pretty wild that in 2021 Jason Shreiers podcast is this white...
Jason Shreier: "Turns out different perspectives improve your product."
Another person: "I have a different perspective Jaso..."
Jason Shreier: BLOCKED
Jason Shreier: "Turns out different perspectives improve your product."
Another person: "I have a different perspective Jaso..."
Jason Shreier: BLOCKED
Bernd Lauert
Banned
That first tweet lmao...
>Danger hair
>Problem glasses
>Fat
>Tatted up
>Smug face
>Pronouns in bio
>BLM in bio
Sometimes it seems to me like these aren't real people. There are some CIA fucks who grow these idiots in a lab or something.
BigbyTheSheriff
Member
And the dogpiling continues.
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CGiRanger
Banned
Again, Pronouns/Rainbow/BLM in profile bio... It's a comedy skit. Also a game dev that no one has ever heard of naturally. We'll see if this "proudly-diverse-non-cis-het" team will make anything of value.
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Johnny Cage In The Shower
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The way he objectively phrases "I added a woman in the mix and voila!! Podcast became better!" Like he's talking about the pasta dinner he was cooking last night, I added some garlic and oregano to the sauce and voila! Tasted exponentially better!" This guy's childish view of the complexities of professional relationships and environments is quite sad.
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Bernd Lauert
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I see two women and three Asian dudes. Everyone else is a white male. To reach their woke quota, they probably all identify as queer.
Hecaton117
Member
Jason has been shitting his pants on social media/twitter for a long time now.
He is not an advocate for video game developers or for art.
To post a classic.
He is not an advocate for video game developers or for art.
To post a classic.
Boss Mog
Member
CGiRanger
Banned
The guy in the lower right is totally giving me these vibes
I see two women and three Asian dudes. Everyone else is a white male. To reach their woke quota, they probably all identify as queer.
BigbyTheSheriff
Member
To post a classic.
Sir, that's what we call murder.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Stop giving them clicks. If you want to read it, look up the cached version on archive.org.Already Gamasutra wrote a "follow-up" article to the one I posted in the OP. Of course, sourcing Jason/Twitter for all of it
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news..._after_announcing_mostlywhite_male_studio.php
Hate hate the press so much. Look how they tie/invoke the Activision Blizzard fiasco to this thing. It's fucking insanity.
fersnake
Member
Did Jason Shrierererer just assume the gender of all those people?
or if they feel black, asian, arabian, etc
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
Why does it seem like any photographic evidence of half dozen or more whites males getting along with each other today, is the biggest threat to society?
Halo is Back
Member
He is known for being a massive pussy. He practically blocks people as much as he types on his computer.
Kenpachii
Member
Should just react on it.
But anybody relevant that also shares this ratio?
Watch him rage.
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Diversity (race and or gender) by itself doesnt make things better or worse.
Not all non-diverse teams are equal either. Having 21 white guys in a team can be more diverse than having 7 black, 7 white and 7 asian guys in a team. Because those white guys could all be from different countries/cultures, while those 7 could be from same culture.
IMO it the real "racism" is when people assume, that white people all are identical and dont have their own cultures. Just compare Englishman, German, American, Australian and someone from Finland/Norway etc, they have huge cultural differences, even if they are all white.
I'm from country which used to be 99% white until 2000's and still is maybe 95% white. In my company of 800 people I havent yet seen any other races than whites, yet we are on of the most succesfull companies on the country, and probably would be clearly above the average on global scale.
Now would it help if we would add people from other cultures? most likely not, because we dont do culture, we do technical engineering. It most likely would make things worse, as they would not speak our language and then it would be difficult to communicate with our native language and english.
as side note, adding other cultures here have raised crime&rape statistics off the roof. So, it is difficult to see how having diversity without control would be automatically good. One of the safest or safest country of the world turns into unsafe bit by bit, not the culture I like.
No one stops other races or genders to start their own dev teams, so It is really strange to even rage about it.
Would 100% woman dev team get the same critizism?
Culture isnt about your gender or color, it is about what is inside you.
Not all non-diverse teams are equal either. Having 21 white guys in a team can be more diverse than having 7 black, 7 white and 7 asian guys in a team. Because those white guys could all be from different countries/cultures, while those 7 could be from same culture.
IMO it the real "racism" is when people assume, that white people all are identical and dont have their own cultures. Just compare Englishman, German, American, Australian and someone from Finland/Norway etc, they have huge cultural differences, even if they are all white.
I'm from country which used to be 99% white until 2000's and still is maybe 95% white. In my company of 800 people I havent yet seen any other races than whites, yet we are on of the most succesfull companies on the country, and probably would be clearly above the average on global scale.
Now would it help if we would add people from other cultures? most likely not, because we dont do culture, we do technical engineering. It most likely would make things worse, as they would not speak our language and then it would be difficult to communicate with our native language and english.
as side note, adding other cultures here have raised crime&rape statistics off the roof. So, it is difficult to see how having diversity without control would be automatically good. One of the safest or safest country of the world turns into unsafe bit by bit, not the culture I like.
No one stops other races or genders to start their own dev teams, so It is really strange to even rage about it.
Would 100% woman dev team get the same critizism?
Culture isnt about your gender or color, it is about what is inside you.
ZywyPL
Banned
Funfact: diversity is not needed at all to make a good game.
Unpopular opinion: forced diversity is the reason so many games are such garbage anyway.
EDIT: I just checked and this is Neon Giant team:
So just as I thought, no female spotted, nothing but a bunch dude-bros, so no wonder their game kicks ass so much.
Unpopular opinion: forced diversity is the reason so many games are such garbage anyway.
EDIT: I just checked and this is Neon Giant team:
So just as I thought, no female spotted, nothing but a bunch dude-bros, so no wonder their game kicks ass so much.
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