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[IDKFA]

You have to question why it's been so difficult with so many consoles available, unless the scalpers have more stock of these than we all initially thought.

I still can't get either a PS5 or Series X, without paying over the retail price on E-bay, which even though the mark ups are less than at launch, I am simply unwilling to do on general principle.

It's been frustrating trying to get a XSX or a PS5, but like you I outright refuse to pay the prices on eBay from scalpers.

To be honest, I'm starting to break. If I can't get a XSX or PS5 soon, then I might pick up a XSS.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

It's been frustrating trying to get a XSX or a PS5, but like you I outright refuse to pay the prices on eBay from scalpers.

To be honest, I'm starting to break. If I can't get a XSX or PS5 soon, then I might pick up a XSS.

After waiting so long you will settle for a small jump...I'd say go full next-gen or keep trying/waiting

 

[reinking]

who said I was very smart.

Everybody is "smart" at something. I struggle myself to find that something most days.

 

[DarkMage619]

Not sure about Nintendo, but have you looked at how much Sony makes from MTX? Their own games don't have that much of them, but they do get their cut from everything sold via PSN. Hint: they do definitely care about those too.

The conduit for those transactions is through their hardware. Sony isn't making money off of mobile, or cloud, and I doubt PC is making them tons of money either. It all comes down to PlayStation hardware and that is their primary focus.

 

[Papacheeks]

The conduit for those transactions is through their hardware. Sony isn't making money off of mobile, or cloud, and I doubt PC is making them tons of money either. It all comes down to PlayStation hardware and that is their primary focus.

Sony sold over 700k copies of Horizon and that was half a year ago. Sony makes Millions to billions off of Fate Gran Order.

They now are profitable on Mobile hardware. Stop spreading bullshit.

Down but not out: Sony turns profit on Xperia phones for first time since 2017

Sony Xperia smartphones have been a loss-leader for the company for years. However, it just made the division profitable.

www.androidauthority.com

Sony generates $20 billion in its second quarter

Japanese tech giant Sony continued to have a strong financial year as it generated a total of ¥2.1 trillion ($20 billion) in operating revenue . However, Sony's music division, under which its...

www.pocketgamer.biz

However, Sony's music division, under which its mobile games segment is filed as part of "Visual Media and Platform" area, earned ¥231 billion ($2.2 billion), an increase of 11.6 per cent year-on-year. It's operating income sat at ¥52.9 billion ($505 million), a rise of 15.4 per cent year-on-year.

Furthermore, Looking at the visual media and platform section specifically, it grossed ¥67.5 billion ($644 million).

"Visual Media and Platform includes the production and distribution of animation titles, including game applications based on the animation titles, and various service offerings for music and visual products," reads the report.

Therefore, games such as Fate/Grand Order fall under the music department, rather than video games. The RPG has been a big hit for Sony, as in January the game crossed the $4 billion revenue threshold. Furthermore, the English variant has racked up 11 million downloads as of August 2020.

Sony’s Doubled Profits Driven By Games, Music and Film

All three of Sony's entertainment segments — music, games and pictures — made financial gains during COVID-hit 2020-2021.

variety.com

The music division saw revenues increase by 10% from JPY850 billion ($7.87 billion) to JPY940 billion ($8.70 billion). Operating profits increased by 32% from JPY142 billion ($1.31 billion) to JPY188 billion ($1.74 billion).

 

[Mozza]

It's been frustrating trying to get a XSX or a PS5, but like you I outright refuse to pay the prices on eBay from scalpers.

To be honest, I'm starting to break. If I can't get a XSX or PS5 soon, then I might pick up a XSS.

Had a Series X in my shopping basket on a recent Argos restock, just decided not to go ahead.

 

[dcmk7]

The conduit for those transactions is through their hardware. Sony isn't making money off of mobile, or cloud, and I doubt PC is making them tons of money either. It all comes down to PlayStation hardware and that is their primary focus.

Clueless.

It's a shame to see you're once again displaying your ignorance.

 

[arvfab]

The conduit for those transactions is through their hardware. Sony isn't making money off of mobile, or cloud, and I doubt PC is making them tons of money either. It all comes down to PlayStation hardware and that is their primary focus.

Can you please enlighten us, and tell us who is making money through mobile and cloud?

 

[Elios83]

Great milestone achieved one month ahead of PS4 with the huge difference that at this point you could comfortably buy a PS4 everywhere while PS5 is still impossible to buy normally.
So basically demand for PS5 is much higher than demand for PS4 at the same point.
Hopefully they can ramp up production quickly, it seems like the April-June quarter was a bit slow with shipments also because they're migrating production over newer, cheaper to manufacture models that should be on the market soon.

 

[Enjay]

I wish they'd show how many of them were actually used.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I dunno... Maybe it's just me but I don't see much point in purchasing things that you feel contribute towards poor business practices.

If you think a company isn't doing right by you then why reward them and positively reinforce that?

That's a good point. But, I voice those opinions in the hope that these companies are paying attention to discourse online and maybe, just maybe, someone there reads the room and decides to push some change of policies up the chain as suggestions.

I'd like to think we've managed to do this before i.e getting Microsoft to revert on the Gold price hike, but sometimes it feels like as gamers we're only more united on this stuff in very specific instances. Like, I have zero interest in the Switch OLED, I think it's a slap in the face personally. Too bad a ton of other people are gonna reward Nintendo for technological complacency anyway and buy it in droves :/.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Yeah right. Funny how anytime there is something negative to spin about Sony, the most active users in all the threads are the greens. StreetofBeige did the same in the cross-gen threads and then started a poll to keep the fire burning for a few days. Usual MO for you guys.

By the time you get a PS5 the DC will be $20 anyway. What a scam for a GOAT

Damn, you really died on that hill, huh? Too bad, so sad.

I haven't even made a thread in like two weeks

 

[Hezekiah]

Clueless.

It's a shame to see you're once again displaying your ignorance.

I mean Fate/Grand Order is the biggest mobile game in the world.

 

[demigod]

The conduit for those transactions is through their hardware. Sony isn't making money off of mobile, or cloud, and I doubt PC is making them tons of money either. It all comes down to PlayStation hardware and that is their primary focus.

How to get owned 101, learn from this ^guy.

Damn, you really died on that hill, huh? Too bad, so sad.

I haven't even made a thread in like two weeks

Boy who's that chick in your avatar?

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Impressive for Sony, though when demand catches up to supply I still don't think it will ever reach Switch levels.

Switch sold 28.8 million last fiscal year and PS4 sold 20 in it's best year.

Switch was also sold out for years before demand was met, but less were made as Nintendo did not come close to anticipating it's success and supply chains were initially weak.

That’s fine. It doesn’t need to outsell the Switch’s peak year to outsell it.

 

[Marty-McFly]

That’s fine. It doesn’t need to outsell the Switch’s peak year to outsell it.

That's going to make even less sense when Switch passes PS4 in 2022. It will pass 100 million this Holiday.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

That's going to make even less sense when Switch passes PS4 in 2022. It will pass 100 million this Holiday.

Wanna bet? 100 million by January 1st 2022? Won't happen.

 

[Astral Dog]

Impressive for Sony, though when demand catches up to supply I still don't think it will ever reach Switch levels.

Switch sold 28.8 million last fiscal year and PS4 sold 20 in it's best year.

Switch was also sold out for years before demand was met, but less were made as Nintendo did not come close to anticipating it's success and supply chains were initially weak.

PS5 is not competing with Switch lol, the market is big enough to support a powerful home console like PS5 with SSD, and a weak, cheaper but convenient hybrid Switch, the later won't even be able to run the same games. The Switch is irrelevant to PS5 success and future, we need powerful next gen consoles, they are very important to push gaming forward new experiences

Whats with console warriors and sales numbers.

 

[longdi]

Had a Series X in my shopping basket on a recent Argos restock, just decided not to go ahead.

Imo you should give XSX a trial and do the 3 years Gamepass thing. Get it over with and be set for half a generation of games at insane value.

Perhaps you are waiting for the XSX Pro or XSX Mini, understandable but dont miss the existing 3 years Gamepass deal and the savings that come with it. No one knows when MS will pull it

 

[Marty-McFly]

Wanna bet? 100 million by January 1st 2022? Won't happen.

Sure it's near 90 million right now. It should pass 100 million this holiday fairly easily.

 

[Marty-McFly]

PS5 is not competing with Switch lol, the market is big enough to support a powerful home console like PS5 with SSD, and a weak, cheaper but convenient hybrid Switch, the later won't even be able to run the same games. The Switch is irrelevant to PS5 success and future, we need powerful next gen consoles, they are very important to push gaming forward new experiences

Whats with console warriors and sales numbers.

I think they're all competing with each other. There is a very strong overlap in PS4/Xbox/Switch users, and most people really only have time for one platform. The difference in graphics is much more subtle than it was back in the PS2 and Xbox days. Each of them are competing for our time.

I didn't mean the post to come across as console warrior-ish though I probably did a pretty poor job of that by directly comparing them Just giving my thoughts like someone calling a horse race.

I think all three platforms will be immensely successful. Gaming is just getting bigger.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Sure it's near 90 million right now. It should pass 100 million this holiday fairly easily.

Haha ok. So around 12-13 million in the next 5 months. Won't happen.

 

[Thesuffering79]

Haha ok. So around 12-13 million in the next 5 months. Won't happen.

WTF. That is the peak time for handheld sales. Last fiscal year they sold 28 million.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Is this what it's like to be a Pat's fan? All this winning?

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

I don't have time for that crap, that is stupid how we still have to follow some moron on Twitter or some bot on Discord just to tell us the PS5 will be out of stock by the moment you even attempt to try and get one. Like I said when I can go to Walmart at 12 AM and pick up a PS5 then I would say. Wow, the PS5 is selling so much because I got one

What stupid logic. 10 Mil is still a lot of sales in a very short time. Them being readily available to you will mean it has sold a lot but doesn't change that they're selling fast.

 

[Marty-McFly]

Haha ok. So around 12-13 million in the next 5 months. Won't happen.

I believe Switch sold 10 million last December alone.

 

[Mozza]

Haha ok. So around 12-13 million in the next 5 months. Won't happen.

I think you are forgetting how many sales the Switch will get over the upcoming Holiday period, this is traditionally a very strong sales period for Nintendo, and with the OLED model as well as huge momentum for the console, it will easily top 100 million by January 2022, if not more.

 

[German Hops]

it will easily top 100 million by January 2022, if not more.

Not a chance in hell.

 

[Klik]

Then why we'll still have cross-gen games in 2022? GT7, HZD:FW, God of Ragnarok

 

[Mozza]

I believe Switch sold 10 million last December alone.

Yes I think some are in denial as to the appeal of the Switch, as they themselves do not personally see the value in the console, not an uncommon event on here though. The Nintendo Switch sells well and it's down to the global pandemic, the PS5 sells well and it's just everybody wanted one.

 

[Mozza]

Not a chance in hell.

You are either outright trolling, or in denial, not sure which.

 

[German Hops]

You are either outright trolling, or in denial, not sure which.

I'm not trolling at all. As Sony and Microsoft continue to work hard to meet intense demand for their consoles, this will inexorably cut into and then completely neutralize Switch sales.

And I didn't even mention the impact the Steam Deck will have on Nintendo's market share.

For Nintendo, it's about to be game over, son. 100mil sales is nothing more than a pipe dream.

 

[Mozza]

I'm not trolling at all. As Sony and Microsoft continue to work hard to meet intense demand for their consoles, this will inexorably cut into and then completely neutralize Switch sales.

And I didn't even mention the impact the Steam Deck will have on Nintendo's market share.

For Nintendo, it's about to be game over, son. 100mil sales is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Yes you just confirmed you are trolling, the PS5 and Xbox Series X will make little to no impact on Switch sales, the console has good momentum and with the newer model will pass 100 million easily, my bet is it will even get close to the PS2 when it's finished, and you must be totally crazy if you think the Steam Deck will make any difference to the sales of the Switch, but keep up with the denial by all means.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Some posts on this page are going to age worse than milk on a summer day.

I hope Sony don’t get too cocky and keep improving on their ecosystem. While still the top player in the console space, PlayStation has ample room for improvement, and it doesn’t have everything.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

 

[German Hops]

Yes you just confirmed you are trolling, the PS5 and Xbox Series X will make little to no impact on Switch sales, the console has good momentum and with the newer model will pass 100 million easily, my bet is it will even get close to the PS2 when it's finished, and you must be totally crazy if you think the Steam Deck will make any difference to the sales of the Switch, but keep up with the denial by all means.

Anecdotally, I've seen more than a few available Switch units in retail stores, while with the PS5 and XSX, I've seen none.

So, once PS5's and XSX's become more readily available to consumers, this will indeed cut into Switch sales. Dramatically.

The only reason Nintendo has any momentum now is because they've managed to weather this global supply shortage better than Sony or Microsoft . Kudos.

But this dynamic will soon change.

And when it does, Nintendo will go back to being,

 

[TheGodfather07]

Yes you just confirmed you are trolling, the PS5 and Xbox Series X will make little to no impact on Switch sales, the console has good momentum and with the newer model will pass 100 million easily, my bet is it will even get close to the PS2 when it's finished, and you must be totally crazy if you think the Steam Deck will make any difference to the sales of the Switch, but keep up with the denial by all means.

nintendo systems usally drop off hard after peaking. i doubt it will pass PS2 but it could be close. the wii almost stopped selling competely all of a sudden when the previous year it sold a shit ton. than again, it is nintendo. they are pretty good at selling shit hardware.

 

[Mozza]

Anecdotally, I've seen more than a few available Switch units in retail stores, while with the PS5 and XSX, I've seen none.

So, once PS5's and XSX's become more readily available to consumers, this will indeed cut into Switch sales. Dramatically.

The only reason Nintendo has any momentum now is because they've managed to weather this global supply shortage better than Sony or Microsoft . Kudos.

But this dynamic will soon change.

And when it does, Nintendo will go back to being,

Right so because you have seen Switch consoles in stores it means it's not selling, yes you must be right, and it's sales are ready to fall off a cliff at any moment now, funny this load of crap has been suggested by the internet console minority experts ever since the console launched.

 

[Mozza]

nintendo systems usally drop off hard after peaking. i doubt it will pass PS2 but it could be close. the wii almost stopped selling competely all of a sudden when the previous year it sold a shit ton. than again, it is nintendo. they are pretty good at selling shit hardware.

The big difference with the Wii was it was mainly casuals that bought the console,and they eventually lost interest as more affordable tablets became available, the Switch has already launched into that market and has lots of momentum, should stay the course this time round a lot better.

The shit hardware jibe is a bit uncalled for, come on you are better than that, the console have never been touted as a powerhouse, and Nintendo have not been in the arms race since the GameCube, and look how that one turned out.

 

[TheGodfather07]

The big difference with the Wii was it was mainly casuals that bought the console,and they eventually lost interest as more affordable tablets became available, the Switch has already launched into that market and has lots of momentum, should stay the course this time round a lot better.

The shit hardware jibe is a bit uncalled for, come on you are better than that, the console have never been touted as a powerhouse, and Nintendo have not been in the arms race since the GameCube, and look how that one turned out.

i agree. i dont think it will fall off as hard as wii did but i still dont expect to pull off a PS2 and sell massive numbers very late into its lifecycle.

regarding the shit hardware jibe, its mainly due to the annoying joy con drift issue which still hasnt been fixed. its annyoing as hell as these are expensive to replace. its just a shitty controller all round imo.

 

[Mozza]

The big difference with the Wii was it was mainly casuals that bought the console,and they eventually lost interest as more affordable tablets became available, the Switch has already launched into that market and has lots of momentum, should stay the course this time round a lot better.

i agree. i dont think it will fall off as hard as wii did but i still dont expect to pull off a PS2 and sell massive numbers very late into its lifecycle.

regarding the shit hardware jibe, its mainly due to the annoying joy con drift issue which still hasnt been fixed. its annyoing as hell as these are expensive to replace. its just a shitty controller all round imo.

I get that, and for some reason or other I have had no drift issues, I know there is a problem though.

As for sales we will have to see, but I think the Switch will end up surprising a lot of people.

 

[GermanZepp]

Still can't find a console for less than 1000 bucks

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

I think you are forgetting how many sales the Switch will get over the upcoming Holiday period, this is traditionally a very strong sales period for Nintendo, and with the OLED model as well as huge momentum for the console, it will easily top 100 million by January 2022, if not more.

It may get as close as 99.5 million. I expect it to get close but not reach 100 mil by Dec. 31st.

 

[Mozza]

It may get as close as 99.5 million. I expect it to get close but not reach 100 mil by Dec. 31st.

That would be pretty close, perhaps we should all chip in and buy the extra consoles needed.

 

[DarkMage619]

Sony sold over 700k copies of Horizon and that was half a year ago. Sony makes Millions to billions off of Fate Gran Order.

They now are profitable on Mobile hardware. Stop spreading bullshit.

Down but not out: Sony turns profit on Xperia phones for first time since 2017

Sony Xperia smartphones have been a loss-leader for the company for years. However, it just made the division profitable.

www.androidauthority.com

Sony generates $20 billion in its second quarter

Japanese tech giant Sony continued to have a strong financial year as it generated a total of ¥2.1 trillion ($20 billion) in operating revenue . However, Sony's music division, under which its...

www.pocketgamer.biz

Sony’s Doubled Profits Driven By Games, Music and Film

All three of Sony's entertainment segments — music, games and pictures — made financial gains during COVID-hit 2020-2021.

variety.com

OK I should have been specific. I am talking about games not music, mobile phones, personal computers, or audio equipment. The PlayStation console is the primary way for Sony to make money in gaming. Some people laugh at MS for not needing an Xbox to play Xbox games. The opposite is true for Sony. As far as I know you can't even buy digital PlayStation games outside of their console ecosystem. I'm pretty sure that PlayStation is Sony's most profitable component of their company so of course they'd go all in on console sales. This isn't a controversial point.

 

[Great Hair]

Most households have up to 5 of those two legged tiny farting machines, crying for attention all the time. Add the paying, working bigger ones and you have to cut the numbers by 4 easily. In reality, the switch sold roughly 30 to 40mln. It´s true!

 

[dcmk7]

The PlayStation console is the primary way for Sony to make money in gaming.

 

[Duchess]

Software and add-on sales made up the bulk of this at ¥1.5 trillion ($13.8 billion), up 43%. Hardware sales rose 34% year-on-year to ¥767.1 billion ($7 billion), while network services such as PS Plus rose 14% to ¥382.9 billion ($3.5 billion).

PlayStation revenues near $25bn as PS5 ships 7.8m in five months

The launch of the PlayStation 5 and a solid line-up for PlayStation 4 helped drive a strong year for Sony Corporation.T…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[Dash Man 3D]

It's been frustrating trying to get a XSX or a PS5, but like you I outright refuse to pay the prices on eBay from scalpers.

To be honest, I'm starting to break. If I can't get a XSX or PS5 soon, then I might pick up a XSS.

Just as Microsoft planned lol.

To make things better you can get XSS on a payment plan, saving you money. With gamepass you have a free digital library of unlimited games.

It all part of the chain. You can upgrade your XSS to a XSX for free once stock is more plentiful too. If you're impatient there's literally zero reason to not buy a XSS now unless you are biased or have a hate boner for Microsoft for whatever reason.

I was disappointed after the successful Xbox One run Sony did not also consider a payment plan for PS5. Even though I hear they had a decent trial in asia.

But the big thing here is the PS5 digital is nearly the same as a regular PS5, so only $100 is slashed off. XSS is $200 off and with x cloud you get around it's weaker hardware. Something many dont consider at first thought.

And again you can upgrade for free anyway to the real Xbox Series X anyway if you get the finance plan.

 

[Unknown?]

Just as Microsoft planned lol.

To make things better you can get XSS on a payment plan, saving you money. With gamepass you have a free digital library of unlimited games.

It all part of the chain. You can upgrade your XSS to a XSX for free once stock is more plentiful too. If you're impatient there's literally zero reason to not buy a XSS now unless you are biased or have a hate boner for Microsoft for whatever reason.

I was disappointed after the successful Xbox One run Sony did not also consider a payment plan for PS5. Even though I hear they had a decent trial in asia.

But the big thing here is the PS5 digital is nearly the same as a regular PS5, so only $100 is slashed off. XSS is $200 off and with x cloud you get around it's weaker hardware. Something many dont consider at first thought.

And again you can upgrade for free anyway to the real Xbox Series X anyway if you get the finance plan.

Hi Phil.