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Valve announces a new portable, Steam Deck
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MrFunSocks
Banned
What exactly am I reading? "Up to 1.6TF"?
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
All models use socketed 2230 m.2 modules (not intended for end-user replacement)
So technically replaceable. Of course they don't want you to, they want you to buy the higher-end model.
MrFunSocks
Banned
That doesn't mean that you can replace it.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
I recommend a micro SD with A2 app performance, which is generally on 512GB cards and up. It's very noticeably faster at loading smaller things like the costumes in SSB Ultimate.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
THE DUCK
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Pretty interesting machine, ticks a lot of boxes:
Run some newer games on the go: Check
Run older games on the go: Check
Run gamepass games on the go: Check
Run Epic games: Check
Run cloud games on the go or at home: Check
Run a ton of emulators: Check
Hook up to a TV: Check
Browse the web/watch youtube: Check
Do some homework with a monitor: Check
Run some newer games on the go: Check
Run older games on the go: Check
Run gamepass games on the go: Check
Run Epic games: Check
Run cloud games on the go or at home: Check
Run a ton of emulators: Check
Hook up to a TV: Check
Browse the web/watch youtube: Check
Do some homework with a monitor: Check
How long until ebay listings
Welp... Looks like I reserved the wrong model lol
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Fredrik
Member
Definitely. But it’s a nice idea, even for us that ordered a bigger one. It would make this thing even better, games will only get bigger going forward, even the biggest one will sooner or later only hold 2-3 games.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I'm curious if we have anybody here that has a Q4 2021 queue placement? Not one that doesn't show the date, a 2021 estimated date. I was right on it, but it still took me 12mins after pre-orders opened to process the transaction(used Steam wallet funds) on the 256GB. 7min after that I was able to get the 512GB to go through. Some people here were faster, iirc.
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It looks like the storage is similar to the Xbox Series X setup with a shielded, enclosed m.2 2230 drive. For a 512GB m.2 2230, those seem to run about $130-200 new, while used it's about $80-90. I saw some really cheap 128GB drives for like $35. If you could add that to a 64GB base model it would be an incredible bargain. My question would be, does the base model have a blank expansion socket just sitting there? If so, is it still shielded, and will it void your warranty if you add it?
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Fredrik
Member
Yeah it looks like an amazing product when you start listing things. I tried to add up the features earlier:
I missed one cool thing though.
Unity on the go!
I’m making a silly hobby game, and now it’s a portable game, cool
MrFunSocks
Banned
The second you open it you void your warranty.
edit: just to be clear - I mean the second you open the actual Deck unit up to try and put a new SSD in it, not just "open the box". The Deck is completely sealed with zero legitimate warranty keeping reason to ever unscrew or pop anything open on it. Doing so will void your warranty instantly.
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Dr.D00p
Gold Member
I thought about pre-ordering but didn't in the end.
This thing just makes no sense as a portable machine unless you just intend to use it as a way to play older, less demanding, legacy PC games, which will run at max settings on the hardware.
The only way it will truly shine though, is if new games are specifically made to its baseline specs, and PC developers will not do that, so all I can see happening is this thing will end up running (new release) PC games very badly.
This thing just makes no sense as a portable machine unless you just intend to use it as a way to play older, less demanding, legacy PC games, which will run at max settings on the hardware.
The only way it will truly shine though, is if new games are specifically made to its baseline specs, and PC developers will not do that, so all I can see happening is this thing will end up running (new release) PC games very badly.
pasterpl
Member
This is handheld, not everything is about graphics. Based on your comment I am assuming that you believe that ps5 and xsx are pointless as these will never run latest games at max (vs pc) and you only play using the latest gpu‘s.
MrFunSocks
Banned
What I think they're saying, and I agree, is that this Deck won't be playing Starfield/Forza Horizon 5/Flight Simulator/other AAA 2022+ PC games at even remotely good settings and framerates.
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FranXico
Member
Yes. Even if you just use Steam, it also has offline mode.
You can install whatever you like and use it always offline.
RaZoR No1
Member
FH5 and Flight Simulator should be able to work on it.
Dont forget, that FH5 still has to run on a base Xbox One.
Flight Simulator is a CPU Core Eater and according to the dev, a new update is going to reduce the workload on PCs.
Starfield will probably be the new Skyrim.
Will work on anything like a toaster in the end...
and most important: it has the decent CPU and GPU and a very low resolution.
pasterpl
Member
People seems to forget that it will be low resolution machine, so with graphical settings low/medium at this res it should run newer games at 30 FPS at least. In addition, I have reserved one already as I think it will be brilliant game pass/xcloud machine. So I will still be able to play flight sim at xsx settings but via streaming vs native. Same with forza horizon 5. Perfect machine for hybrid gaming native and streaming.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
I don't believe for one second Flight Simulator will work on it in any usable form. Yes they're converting it to more multi-threading and DX12, but it's still going to bring the significantly more powerful Series S to it's knees.
I also don't think Starfield will be the new skyrim in terms of running on anything. It's "next gen" only.
KormaChameleon
Member
Manage to pre-order a 256gb model. Really looking forward to it and excited that when I can finally travel, I can take my library with me.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What does "1-1.6TF" mean? That it will throttle under heavy load? That's no fun. That means you can't really view it as more than a 1TF machine.
Either way, this thing might be fine for now when most games are still cross-gen, but it very much remains to be seen how it will handle proper next-gen games. Like DF says, the XSS already has to drop to 720p or even lower to handle some games that have been upgraded for next-gen. And that's gonna happen more and more, I'm sure. That's a 4TF machine, so how will a machine with (in the worst case scenario) 1/4 of the rendering power fare? Not too great, would be my guess...
Either way, this thing might be fine for now when most games are still cross-gen, but it very much remains to be seen how it will handle proper next-gen games. Like DF says, the XSS already has to drop to 720p or even lower to handle some games that have been upgraded for next-gen. And that's gonna happen more and more, I'm sure. That's a 4TF machine, so how will a machine with (in the worst case scenario) 1/4 of the rendering power fare? Not too great, would be my guess...
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KormaChameleon
Member
Scalpers are already at it on eBay!
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
They've since revised the statement, with one of the engineers who appeared in IGN's video clarifying on Discord that it's mostly a matter of the port being hard to get to, and it being near impossible to reassemble everything afterwards without causing damage that will void your warranty.
No, you only void your warranty if you damage something doing so. If you put it back together as it was, unless there were warranty stickers sealing the edges or screws, you're usually fine.
Mostly that it has power profiles ranging from 1 to 1.6 teraFLOPS, but also yeah, wouldn't be surprised if it can throttle, especially in warmer climates.
Marty-McFly
Banned
This seems more like a portable PC. It should be great for emulation.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Planning on going with Win10 and Steam BP with GP PC games added via UWPHook. I'm not too worried about performance in Windows, seems like AMD will have official driver support.
I'm more focused on performance in Cemu, Yuzu, RPCS3, PCSX2, etc. Most of us have a big Steam library, as well(I have 300+ games). Almost all of those games will look and run great.
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BigBooper
Member
This doesn't make sense. It will increase the speed on heavy load, not throttle it. If it's accessible, which I'm guessing it will based on their wanting it to be so open, you might be able to manually set tdp.
As for the rest, yes remains to be seen.
Kupfer
Member
I don't want to bitch around, but do you have a source on that?
All I read here all the time are posts from people supposedly reciting statements, but other than ominous screenshots of an alleged email to Gabe or a post from an alleged Valve employee, I haven't seen anything serious about this. Everyone is trying to get their wishful thinking right, which just doesn't make sense without an official statement from the developer.
Fredrik
Member
Running Cyberpunk at 720p at preset low doubles the framerate on my rig compared to 1080p RT Ultra and while it looks rough on a regular screen I think it would look quite okay on a small screen. Halve the framerate and it’ll still be about 60fps. Halve it again and it’ll be 30fps like TLOUp2, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, Breath of the Wild on consoles which lots of people can tolerate quite well considering the GOTY awards.
Edit: 720p low
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THE DUCK
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Running Cyberpunk at 720p at preset low doubles the framerate on my rig compared to 1080p RT Ultra and while it looks rough on a regular screen I think it would look quite okay on a small screen. Halve the framerate and it’ll still be about 60fps. Halve it again and it’ll be 30fps like TLOUp2, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, Breath of the Wild on consoles which lots of people can tolerate quite well considering the GOTY awards.
Edit: 720p low
Considering that would be running on 7" screen, would problem look very good.
Twinguistics
Member
I think this means that if you take one of these and a Quest 2, you'll be able to play most of your games on whatever size screen you like, wherever you are. Seems neat.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Bolded the important part for you. There absolutely will be. You even say yourself that the Valve engineer said you basically can't do it without voiding your warranty.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
Can you take an actual screenshot and post that directly please?Running Cyberpunk at 720p at preset low doubles the framerate on my rig compared to 1080p RT Ultra and while it looks rough on a regular screen I think it would look quite okay on a small screen. Halve the framerate and it’ll still be about 60fps. Halve it again and it’ll be 30fps like TLOUp2, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, Breath of the Wild on consoles which lots of people can tolerate quite well considering the GOTY awards.
Edit: 720p low
That's an assumption. It could just as easily opportunistically boost to 1.6 GHz. 1.6 GHz is really not much for RDNA 2, since 6700 XT averages almost 2.5 GHz according to TechPowerup, and power scales nonlinearly with frequency. (Check out this graph, where at 1.6 GHz it looks like RDNA 2 is consuming a third of the power of RDNA 1 at 1.8 GHz: https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/amd-rx-6800-review/2/)
MrFunSocks
Banned
This is a portable, low power, low power consuming PC though, not just your regular PC. There would be a reason why they quoted the 1-1.6GHz, and it's likely portable/docked modes. Yes it's an assumption, but it's probably a pretty good one.
Fredrik
Member
Yeah, I just think we just need to use the settings menu a bit more. While it’s hard to know exactly what the Steam Deck is capable of we’ve already seen some games running on it; Control, Doom. Maybe we have to settle with 30fps on some games too.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Well I was going to use what seems to be a screenshot from Discord with the statement, that popped up in several other places, however as a matter of integrity I've trawled through said discord channel myself and haven't found it. Nor did I find any of the users in said screenshot. So... yeah. The specs sheet at least is official, listing the port as available but "not intended for user replacement".
I'll still post the screenshot for reference. Treat it as a rumor, then:
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Fredrik
Member
Sure, for graphics this is currently the worst case scenario on Cyberpunk in 720p on PC, lowest of the low.
I think it’ll look fine on a small screen. This is a very demanding game though, don’t know the minimum requirement but I don’t think we can expect that all games will install, there will definitely be cases when it just doesn’t work. There is Geforce Now as a backup plan though when everything else fails.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Finally! A proper, portable, nice looking Painkiller, on the go??
Pre ordered.
Pre ordered.
PaintTinJr
Member
Pretty much all of them that sell their devices based on high-end smartphone pricing with lower tiers for Windows S and standard Windows.
The CPU makes any of the Arm and Celeron offerings in a mobile look misplaced at anything more than $200 IMHO, and even is a disruptive choice to Apple and Nvidia's strategies of ditching dependence for costly brawny x64 CPUs and pushing for ARM APUs as the future.
The XsS in effective IQ terms is in a much worse spot because it isn't targeting a 7" portable screen, and in reality is targeting 32" and higher - which was the originally TV company justification for HD ready and Full HD resolutions. The $100 premium for a portable device is probably smaller than normal, and mainly because both are pitching next-gen gaming with the same downgraded IQ strategy are they in direct competition, because in time both will be readily available to all gamers, in time.
Surface devices, are most definitely used by lots of gamers - it is a PC after all, and versatility is demand by the market. Microsoft's push to sell gaming on PC, includes all those Windows devices IMHO, so the Steamdeck is a high spec and low price, they all will get compared to, now.
The reason could be that the system will dynamically boost the clocks up to the power and thermal constraints of the system (15W), and according to the battery saving algorithm. It's perfectly normal for boost clocks to function this way in the PC space. My 35W 3050 Ti can hit 1740 MHz on battery power when starting with a full charge, and it doesn't boost any more when it is plugged in. It has a lot more power at its disposal, but also more compute units to feed, and an architecture that clocks lower overall. So hitting 1.6 GHz for periods of time on battery doesn't seem crazy to me.
Gamers aren't buying the surface devices for gaming. Surface device users might end up gaming a bit but it's not the primary use case of those devices.
Microsoft's push for gaming on all Windows pc is for both streaming and local.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Periods of time? I would not like fluctuating performance depending on what the system decides to do though...
Well the boost behaviour already exists in the PC GPU space. The main difference is that the capacity of the battery to deliver charge will diminish as it becomes more depleted, so it's a question of how Valve choose to deal with this.