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[THE:MILKMAN]

How anybody can still think this is anything other than a big load of bullshit and disappointment is beyond me.

Well he has/is being enabled by many "big" names in the games industry and even had the CEO of a "outsource partner" do a rather odd video on his behalf. None of which have declared him a fraud....And these same people have gone amazingly quiet the last couple of weeks when the "delay" happened!

As I say....Fishy.

 

[bitbydeath]

How anybody can still think this is anything other than a big load of bullshit and disappointment is beyond me.

Having even one outsourcing studio is unusual for an indie studio, let alone one that is supposedly flipping assets, and this one somehow managed to get 7+ outsourcing studios working under them?

I don’t get how people don’t see that as fishy.

And that’s before we even touch on the app Sony are graciously advertising for them on PSN or the series of coincidences that have come about indicating they are much bigger than they seem.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

How anybody can still think this is anything other than a big load of bullshit and disappointment is beyond me.

I think it's an interactive app for you to try out the PlayStation Experience trailers like some kind of demo. If that's the case then it will be far from disappointment.

 

[Bartski]

 

[emivita]

Why preload for 1GB app, 12 days before release? Just why?

Because the app will actually haunt you and your PS5 while you're playing other games.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

 

[dcmk7]

Reminds me of this classic.

 

[skit_data]

Lol, good movie

I have never seen this being used as a meme

 

[Cyborg]

I thought Kojima used only Apple products.... This is fishy.

 

[IntentionalPun]

What makes you think this won’t be playable?
The file size is even larger than PT.
Playable Teaser / Realtime Trailer.
It’s the same phrase with different wording.

Because he said it wouldn't be, multiple times lol..

And yes, I've been pointing out the PT / RT thing.. this dude is just a try-hard trying to make people think he's Kojima while knowing he has to deny it, because he isn't.

This isn't entirely true, unless something changed with the submission process in the last 5 years. Do you know this for sure?

Indie's get "lent" free dev kits (they might have to turn them in) and don't pay for game submissions.

Yes, things have changed dramatically particularly for indies.. but everything is a lot cheaper for everyone.

 

[BiohazardX95]

That was playable... basically a demo with "trailer" in the name.

Obviously what Hasan is trying to relate to here, but failed since it's not playable lol.. it's literally pointless to make as an app, as you could just.. release a trailer.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Dude.. read the last tweet in your post lol

Or this:

 

[IntentionalPun]

Dude reading his tweets it kinda sounds like this will be downloadable on August 10th but not even contain a trailer yet lol

WTF

And LOL, I bet he's going to charge for the actual trailers... lol

And sure.. maybe add some actual gameplay demos.. but you guys realize he's not talking about what he's releasing in August?

The August 10th drop sounds like it only contains an "intro" and not even a trailer ROFL

 

[BiohazardX95]

Dude.. read the last tweet in your post lol

Or this:

That's an old tweet... Read the new Hasan's tweets.

 

[IntentionalPun]

That's an old tweet... Read the new Hasa's tweets.

I see what you are referring to now but LOL... at launch this won't even have a single trailer.. then first "trailer" drops later in August.

Good lord you guys really need to just get over that this is some 2-bit grifter.

 

[ElCasual]

I was team real but with all the hints together I believe Team Fake is the real winner.

 

[emivita]

I was team real but with all the hints together I believe Team Fake is the real winner.

Team Fake:

 

[KyoZz]

Team Fake:

But why?
I'm team fake and in fact, I'll be sad if it's NOT Silent Hill. I'm just keeping my expectation in check.
It's a win/no loss situation. Win because if it IS Silent Hill... OH MYYYYYY.....
No loss because I don't believe it is Silent Hill, I'm expecting this to be a AA horror game nothing more.

 

[emivita]

But why?
I'm team fake and in fact, I'll be sad if it's NOT Silent Hill. I'm just keeping my expectation in check.
It's a win/no loss situation. Win because if it IS Silent Hill... OH MYYYYYY.....
No loss because I don't believe it is Silent Hill, I'm expecting this to be a AA horror game nothing more.

So, you just play safe? Where's the fun in it?

 

[KyoZz]

So, you just play safe? Where's the fun in it?

Watching from above is fun enough

 

[Faithless83]

So many coincidences it's beyond fishy at this point.
August can't come soon enough.

 

[kingpotato]

Indie's get "lent" free dev kits (they might have to turn them in) and don't pay for game submissions.

Yes, things have changed dramatically particularly for indies.. but everything is a lot cheaper for everyone.

Nobody gets multiple submissions for free and if localization was an issue BB likely had to pay. I would be so skeptical of the claim that BBStudios hasn't paid any money to Sony for all of the access they are getting, ESPECIALLY if it's only some 2 bit asset flip con.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Nobody gets multiple submissions for free and if localization was an issue BB likely had to pay. I would be so skeptical of the claim that BBStudios hasn't paid any money to Sony for all of the access they are getting, ESPECIALLY if it's only some 2 bit asset flip con.

They don't pay to publish.. I don't know what to tell you, this has been known since the start of the Playstation 4 generation, used to be public info on Sony's dev site, but now it's hidden, but you can find articles about it:

So how much does it cost to develop for PlayStation 4?

Microsoft has swung open the gates to indie developers by making the Xbox One a development kit in its own right. But how much does it cost to start creating indie games for Sony's rival...

www.polygon.com

Sony said it would not be changing its self-publishing processes, which are detailed on a website dedicated to indies. Many developers are happy to work in emulation on PCs. A dev kit is not necessary until later in a project's life, and few indies are aiming to release their games at the PS4's launch.

They also give out lots of dev kits for free to indie devs.. often for a limited time.. but you don't need a dev kit to actually create a game either way, just to do final testing. Hasan probably got his recently and has a year to fuck around and grift lol

And if you think Hasan paid for a single blog post + trailer on the PS channel I don't know WTF to tell you lol

Not all blog posts get posted.. but that other indie dev indicated they all are supposed to write and submit one .. which Sony then decides what to post. I highly doubt Hasan paid for his. If he did, who gives a shit? It's still was a garbage asset flip trailer.. and he's only ever released total garbage asset flips in his 6 year company history, with zero evidence of many of his claims of hiring voice actors, and having a 10 person team, etc.,etc.

Also plainly obvious Sony posts literally every trailer for every game they get sent.. just look at their channel.

 

[Dad_Of_Chicken]

Can't wait for the game to start with "A Hasan Kahraman game".

 

[kingpotato]

They don't pay to publish.. I don't know what to tell you, this has been known since the start of the Playstation 4 generation, used to be public info on Sony's dev site, but now it's hidden, but you can find articles about it:

So how much does it cost to develop for PlayStation 4?

Microsoft has swung open the gates to indie developers by making the Xbox One a development kit in its own right. But how much does it cost to start creating indie games for Sony's rival...

www.polygon.com

They also give out lots of dev kits for free to indie devs.. often for a limited time.. but you don't need a dev kit to actually create a game either way, just to do final testing. Hasan probably got his recently and has a year to fuck around and grift lol

And if you think Hasan paid for a single blog post + trailer on the PS channel I don't know WTF to tell you lol

Not all blog posts get posted.. but that other indie dev indicated they all are supposed to write and submit one .. which Sony then decides what to post. I highly doubt Hasan paid for his. If he did, who gives a shit? It's still was a garbage asset flip trailer.. and he's only ever released total garbage asset flips in his 6 year company history, with zero evidence of many of his claims of hiring voice actors, and having a 10 person team, etc.,etc.

Also plainly obvious Sony posts literally every trailer for every game they get sent.. just look at their channel.

Ok, first if all... Take a breath.

I was talking about the submission process. No matter what content you are looking to get publish by whomever, you have to pass the sub process by Sony to get listed. I'm assuming that little localization delay stunt killed the first free submission. Nothing to do with publishing but if your software isn't in line the first time and you have to sub a second it costs. Further more the extra content and patches, etc cost. There is no way Sony just let's all indies host up content endlessly for free.

I admittedly haven't read the link yet, thanks for posting, I'll check on it.

I'm not attacking you bro, chill. I'm just looking at my experience getting through Sony first party and saying that doesn't line up with what I had to do.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

This is going to be the biggest load of steaming crap the PS5 will ever see. It's going to be glorious.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Ok, first if all... Take a breath.

I was talking about the submission process. No matter what content you are looking to get publish by whomever, you have to pass the sub process by Sony to get listed. I'm assuming that little localization delay stunt killed the first free submission. Nothing to do with publishing but if your software isn't in line the first time and you have to sub a second it costs. Further more the extra content and patches, etc cost. There is no way Sony just let's all indies host up content endlessly for free.

I admittedly haven't read the link yet, thanks for posting, I'll check on it.

I'm not attacking you bro, chill. I'm just looking at my experience getting through Sony first party and saying that doesn't line up with what I had to do.

They don't cost money anymore is what I'm trying to tell you.

That's the old school way of doing things.. every submissions cost 10's of thousands, every patch.. dev kits hugely expensive...that's old info from the PS3/360 era, which by the end of that generation had been massively lowered.. Sony then at the start of the PS4 generation basically made it "free" for indies to do any of this stuff.

I'm sure if they fuck around enough and push enough garbage through the cert process, then Sony would kill their dev account.. but the process is free for indies unless they want that $25k exposure.

The reason is likely the digital storefronts massively increasing revenue for the 1st party... the physical license fees had been bargained down to the $8-10 range on a 3rd party $60 game.. meanwhile digital is netting them ~$18 per game. Beyond that all of these processes have been more and more automated and streamlined; just the nature of maturing tech. Code is scanned automatically and a few things are checked, the process isn't taking much manpower or time.. and the potential of revenue from %30 of a game hitting is a greater "get" than charging a bunch of money up front and dissuading people from even starting, releasing anything, or patching anything.

 

[bitbydeath]

They don't cost money anymore is what I'm trying to tell you.

That's the old school way of doing things.. every submissions cost 10's of thousands, every patch.. dev kits hugely expensive...that's old info from the PS3/360 era, which by the end of that generation had been massively lowered.. Sony then at the start of the PS4 generation basically made it "free" for indies to do any of this stuff.

I'm sure if they fuck around enough and push enough garbage through the cert process, then Sony would kill their dev account.. but the process is free for indies unless they want that $25k exposure.

The reason is likely the digital storefronts massively increasing revenue for the 1st party... the physical license fees had been bargained down to the $8-10 range on a 3rd party $60 game.. meanwhile digital is netting them ~$18 per game. Beyond that all of these processes have been more and more automated and streamlined; just the nature of maturing tech. Code is scanned automatically and a few things are checked, the process isn't taking much manpower or time.. and the potential of revenue from %30 of a game hitting is a greater "get" than charging a bunch of money up front and dissuading people from even starting, releasing anything, or patching anything.

Indies have a strict template in what they can do, they can do anything, within that template. If indies could self-promote through apps or even just news articles on PSN, they would. It would be common, they don’t, they can’t.

 

[spartan30gr]

 

[IntentionalPun]

Indies have a strict template in what they can do, they can do anything, within that template. If indies could self-promote through apps or even just news articles on PSN, they would. It would be common, they don’t, they can’t.

I just patently disagree here.

This app is dumb; any normal indie would think it was dumb.. nobody is interested in shitty tech demos from indies under any normal circumstance. It would not be worth the effort compared to just releasing a trailer.

And Hasan might be harming his relationship with Sony releasing this dumb ass app too, we don't know how this will all turn out.. this guy has released nothing but total garbage up until this point.. if he releases total garbage on PSN, he's not gonna be high up on Sony's "lend them a dev kit" list, and he certainly doesn't have a lot of money from game sales at this point.

 

[bitbydeath]

I just patently disagree here.

This app is dumb; any normal indie would think it was dumb.. nobody is interested in shitty tech demos from indies under any normal circumstance. It would not be worth the effort compared to just releasing a trailer.

And Hasan might be harming his relationship with Sony releasing this dumb ass app too, we don't know how this will all turn out.. this guy has released nothing but total garbage up until this point.. if he releases total garbage on PSN, he's not gonna be high up on Sony's "lend them a dev kit" list, and he certainly doesn't have a lot of money from game sales at this point.

You focused on the app, what about the news articles Sony are supporting them with advertising the app?

 

[IntentionalPun]

You focused on the app, what about the news articles Sony are supporting them with advertising the app?

A blog post he wrote? Why is that such a big deal? lol Where did they advertise the "app" anyways, maybe I missed something... they let him post a blog post about his alleged "game".. not this stupid ass trailers app. (which he's likely positioning as a "demo" of his game, in his submissions to the self publishing system)

 

[GHG]

At least if it turns out team real are wrong at least we had some fun along the way.

If it turns out super serious team fake are wrong though...

 

[IntentionalPun]

At least if it turns out team real are wrong at least we had some fun along the way.

If it turns out super serious team fake are wrong though...

Hey I've said from the start.. I'd love to be wrong.. would be a way more fun outcome.

I'm not a "told you so" type.. I'm just.. telling people how it likely is lol

I personally have doubts Abandoned will ever actually release as a game. He's never put out anything but short "games" that are barely tech demos before on other platforms.. if he does manage to release something on the scale of his other work I will laugh out loud at Sony for sure lol We know Sony's standards for actual games aren't particularly high, but I don't think there's anything bad as his past Android/Steam crap.

 

[bitbydeath]

A blog post he wrote? Why is that such a big deal? lol Where did they advertise the "app" anyways, maybe I missed something... they let him post a blog post about his alleged "game".. not this stupid ass trailers app. (which he's likely positioning as a "demo" of his game, in his submissions to the self publishing system)

No, not the blog post. The news article on PSN advertising the app. If devs could self-advertise on PSN, don’t you think they would?

 

[IntentionalPun]

No, not the blog post. The news article on PSN advertising the app.

What article? That's just.. his game listing.. which all games get, because they submit details during the submission process. What "article"?

 

[bitbydeath]

What article? That's just.. his game listing.. which all games get, because they submit details during the submission process. What "article"?

Couldn’t find an English version of this view.

 

[kingpotato]

This app is dumb; any normal indie would think it was dumb.. nobody is interested in shitty tech demos from indies under any normal circumstance. It would not be worth the effort compared to just releasing a trailer.

True. We'll all see what's up next month.

 

[IntentionalPun]

LOL.. that's literally just the "news" anyone can add to their game listing.

Hasan typed a few words and hit "submit" and maybe someone had to approve it... there is no "Article", if you click on that thing you get the Abandoned logo with about a tweets worth of crap.

It shows up.. pretty much nowhere.. Abandoned isn't on any "list" on PSN.. it's not featured under indies, it's not in games, it's nowhere.

Even if you type "Aba" into search, it's not suggested.. you have to get to "Aban" then finally you'll find Abandoned's listing hidden away on PSN. Then Hasan added some "news" to it, and we don't even know for sure if that news will come to fruition.. we really have to wait to see with this clown.

 

[bitbydeath]

LOL.. that's literally just the "news" anyone can add to their game listing.

Hasan typed a few words and hit "submit" and maybe someone had to approve it... there is no "Article", if you click on that thing you get the Abandoned logo with about a tweets worth of crap.

It shows up.. pretty much nowhere.. Abandoned isn't on any "list" on PSN.. it's not featured under indies, it's not in games, it's nowhere.

Even if you type "Aba" into search, it's not suggested.. you have to get to "Aban" then finally you'll find Abandoned's listing hidden away on PSN. Then Hasan added some "news" to it, and we don't even know for sure if that news will come to fruition.. we really have to wait to see with this clown.

Not sure what you mean?

If it were so easy to self-advertise then why aren’t other indies doing it?
There was an article just recently stating how restricted they were on PSN.

 

[bitbydeath]

Also creating an app would be a huge advertising advantage since their are less than 20 applications in total on PSN.

Sony don’t allow just anyone to create an app.

 

[IntentionalPun]

If it were so easy to self-advertise then why aren’t other indies doing it?

Now that I've found it, it also shows up on the list that quick for me.. before I'd ever searched for abandoned, it took the "aban." Algorithm.

But again.. what in the world are you talking about? It's literally just "news" you can add to your game, that only shows up if someone looks at your game, or follows your game.

Why do you think no indies are adding "news" to their games?

If they aren't.. it's probably because it's a feature mostly used by live service games, that people would actually "follow" on PSN.. not random ass indie games lol

 

[IntentionalPun]

Also creating an app would be a huge advertising advantage since their are less than 20 applications in total on PSN.

Sony don’t allow just anyone to create an app.

Again getting caught up with the term "app".. what "20 apps" are you even talking about?

He's just calling it "Abandoned : Realtime Trailers" on PSN.. not "App".. it'll likely get released as a game demo. There is no "app" section on PS5 at all. There's Games and Media.... and beyond that they don't really label anything outside of those 2 buckets.

 

[mckmas8808]

Still so fucking weird to have a dedicated app for a game from a nobody. Where's the Little Devil Inside trailer app? That game had more hype going for it than Abandoned, until people started to realize that the latter was associated with Kojima. Stray too had more hype. It's just too out of the ordinary. This is Kojima, forildo.

And what about games like Ratchet and Clank, Horizon 2, and the next Call of Duty. Why wouldn't those games get playable apps?

 

[mckmas8808]

This is going to be the biggest load of steaming crap the PS5 will ever see. It's going to be glorious.

You BETTER hope! Because if it ain't........................

 

[bitbydeath]

Now that I've found it, it also shows up on the list that quick for me.. before I'd ever searched for abandoned, it took the "aban." Algorithm.

But again.. what in the world are you talking about? It's literally just "news" you can add to your game, that only shows up if someone looks at your game, or follows your game.

Why do you think no indies are adding "news" to their games?

If they aren't.. it's probably because it's a feature mostly used by live service games, that people would actually "follow" on PSN.. not random ass indie games lol

And you don’t find that just a little bit strange that they are doing it as opposed to others?

 

[bitbydeath]

Again getting caught up with the term "app".. what "20 apps" are you even talking about?

He's just calling it "Abandoned : Realtime Trailers" on PSN.. not "App".. it'll likely get released as a game demo. There is no "app" section on PS5 at all. There's Games and Media.... and beyond that they don't really label anything outside of those 2 buckets.

Apps are hidden under the Media page.
If we look at just the VR and experience apps section it would have a listing of just 5 other apps to contend with.

 

[IntentionalPun]

And you don’t find that just a little bit strange that they are doing it as opposed to others?

Not at all.. because who in the world is going to see some indie dev's "news" they post under their game, you have to go out of your way to find or follow?

It's almost certainly just part of the self publishing tools games get on PSN.

I mean.. this stuff is basic content management system shit.. probably Drupal or something similar, with submissions and approvals.

 

[bitbydeath]

Not at all.. because who in the world is going to see some indie dev's "news" they post under their game, you have to go out of your way to find or follow?

It's almost certainly just part of the self publishing tools games get on PSN.

I mean.. this stuff is basic content management system shit.. probably Drupal or something similar, with submissions and approvals.

Not even No Man’s Sky does it and they drop news all the time online advertising their new updates.