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[Ulysses 31]

What data would help? Say you had the unit sales. What would that prove? In dollar sales it was ahead. If the unit sales were high then Petaya Berrys point would be that the "bargain prices sure helps" but if dollar sales are high bargain prices don't actually help. They directly reduce your dollar sales. If you are driving higher revenue with lower prices then you are doing well.

If we had unit sales we could compare with the period the price went down to see if the price reduction resulted in higher revenue. Petaya Berry may have unironically been suggesting that.

 

[Spitfire098]

The only thing I like more than playing the game was the freak out by man childs across the internet on how well the game did. It's almost like double dipping .

 

[Spidey Fan]

It’s “dollar sales”.
If TLoU2 was cheap on sale it actually had to sell more copies.
Also, Miles is like a first choice game for PS5. Pretty much everyone who bought a new console felt “obliged” to get Miles too.

TLoU2 is a goat and forever will be.

Can tlou2 do this? This is miles teacher.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

The only thing I like more than playing the game was the freak out by man childs across the internet on how well the game did. It's almost like double dipping .

So people not rubber stamping something and having legitimate reasons for not liking it is "freaking out like a man child"? Grow the fuck up, kid.

 

[Raekwon26]

So people not rubber stamping something and having legitimate reasons for not liking it is "freaking out like a man child"? Grow the fuck up, kid.

What does your liking it have to do with this thread?

 

[Spitfire098]

So people not rubber stamping something and having legitimate reasons for not liking it is "freaking out like a man child"? Grow the fuck up, kid.

Neil you absolute mad man. Thanks for the game and the all children like this you created. It's just free entertainment at this point. Should be illegal

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Neil you absolute mad man. Thanks for the game and the all children like this you created. It's just free entertainment at this point. Should be illegal

Another asshole for the ignore list, who is incapable of having rationale discussion.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

What does your liking it have to do with this thread?

I was responding to that loser calling people man child because they don't like the game. Not sure what's so difficult for you to follow.

 

[hemo memo]

Completion rate tells the tale, haters stay collecting Ls.

Sony make some cringe fans too.

 

[Raekwon26]

I was responding to that loser calling people man child because they don't like the game. Not sure what's so difficult for you to follow.

Still doesn't make sense.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Still doesn't make sense.

Sorry....read it over a few times and maybe it will. It's called discussion......we're all having it here.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

That’s a lot of disappointed gamers.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Fantastic game and well deserved. And I say this as someone who thinks Abby is a shitty person and I’m amazed people genuinely liked her.

 

[Raekwon26]

Sorry....read it over a few times and maybe it will. It's called discussion......we're all having it here.

There was no discussion. He just stated he liked the game and likes seeing people upset about it..... then you got upset.

 

[mxbison]

Great game, well deserved.

And so fun to see how hard this game still triggers people.

 

[Kerotan]

The problem is you think the majority like it.

The problem is you don't know what majority means. 80k positive, 66k negative and 8k mixed. No matter what way you spin it the majority liked it.

On topic do you guys think the ps5 patch helped boost it's sales for those waiting? The ps5 patch for ghost probably boosted it's sales with ps5 owners too.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Raekwon26
I responded that way because he LOL'd my response on the prior page where i was discussing (like many others here) my reasons why i feel this sold more, and instead of just tagging me in his response he made his comment about "man children" since i know he was talking about my comment, i just called him out instead. So yes, there was discussion, he just chose to avoid it and instead passive aggressively attack me.

So again, instead of continuing to derail this thread, go back and read what happened and it will make sense.

It's just silly in general that any opposing opinion to this game, you're automatically "triggered", or whatever other adjective people want to toss around instead of actually understanding that not everyone is going to like everything.

 

[WoodyStare]

While I had some problems with the pacing, it's still an excellent game and deserves the success.

 

[hemo memo]

The problem is you don't know what majority means. 80k positive, 66k negative and 8k mixed. No matter what way you spin it the majority liked it.

On topic do you guys think the ps5 patch helped boost it's sales for those waiting? The ps5 patch for ghost probably boosted it's sales with ps5 owners too.

You don’t seem to understand how user rating works. The people who dislikes it greatly will not waste time to write a review and rate. The people who liked it greatly will. The majority of people dislikes it. 66k people dislikes so bad that they wrote a review. See the reaction everywhere. No matter how bad you and other people like you try to spin it. The overwhelming majority from the reaction everywhere is that people hated the game and for a good reason. From poor gameplay to stupid story and characters decisions to detailed violence.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sony make some cringe fans too.

When all else fails, double down on looking like an idiot. That’s a strategy I guess, go at it.

You don’t seem to understand how user rating works. The people who dislikes it greatly will not waste time to write a review and rate. The people who liked it greatly will. The majority of people dislikes it. 66k people dislikes so bad that they wrote a review. See the reaction everywhere. No matter how bad you and other people like you try to spin it. The overwhelming majority from the reaction everywhere is that people hated the game and for a good reason. From poor gameplay to stupid story and characters decisions to detailed violence.

It’s you and the hater minority that can’t get over it pal, sorry that the vast majority doesn’t agree with your dumb takes.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Don't really get it because I found it lukewarm at best (7/10) myself but then again I do not get people playing Fortnite and paying for shit there as well so what do I know.

 

[Kerotan]

You don’t seem to understand how user rating works. The people who dislikes it greatly will not waste time to write a review and rate. The people who liked it greatly will. The majority of people dislikes it. 66k people dislikes so bad that they wrote a review. See the reaction everywhere. No matter how bad you and other people like you try to spin it. The overwhelming majority from the reaction everywhere is that people hated the game and for a good reason. From poor gameplay to stupid story and characters decisions to detailed violence.

I don't think you understand that when you hate something you're more likely to write a review to make your lack of satisfaction known
Most people who like things just move on to the next thing.

The majority like it. Also the anti lgbt crowd mass down reviewed it by making multiple accounts and many who didn't even play it left 1 star reviews.

 

[tassletine]

You didn't have to mention it.

Your logic is that since TLOU 2 is behind Madden and Assassins Creed, that means it's an "objective failure". You don't want to apply that same logic to GoW because that would mean you GoW is a failure, too.

Don't use the placement of the game in the NPD charts as proof when it you can't apply it to other Sony games. You're making a standard that only applies to your own twisted logic. Only people who are calling it a failure are the ones hating on the game. You won't see anyone following the video game industry would consider it close to a failure.

Okay. God of War is a failure -- by your metric.

I, however know almost nothing about GoW development or budget, and have barely looked into it.
That there is a two year difference in development cycles, and Naughty Dog have more employees might give you some idea that ND wasted money there.

By my own "Twisted Logic" Naughty Dog lost a fair bit of money compared to GOW. But if you want to compare the two then yes, LOU2 is a failure compared to GOW and probably every game in that initial top 10.

Is it that hard to comprehend that a game might lose money if it's adverstising / work budget exceeds the amount it earns at retail?

 

[kyliethicc]

The problem is you think the majority like it.

The Last of Us Part II has won the most GOTY awards from fans (public voting) of all time.

It won the fan vote at Metacritic too btw.

 

[TGO]

Ghost of Tsushima is 6.5 million as of March.

Ghost Of Tsushima Passes 6.5 Million Units Sold

Ghost of Tsushima has sold 6.5 million copies.

screenrant.com

Top 10 best-selling games of the last 12 months

4	5	The Last of Us: Part II	Sony (Corp)
5	8	Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales	Sony (Corp)
6	7	Ghost of Tsushima	Sony (Corp)

GSD Annual 2020 Top 20 Video Games (Digital + Physical)​

7	The Last of Us Part 2 (Sony)

16	Ghost of Tsushima (Sony)

Top 20 best-selling games of 2020 in Italy
1. FIFA 21
2. Grand Theft Auto V
3. FIFA 20
4. Animal Crossing: New Horizons
5. The Last of Us Part II
6. Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
7. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
8. Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege
9. NBA 2K20
10. Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
11. Red Dead Redemption 2
12. Minecraft (Switch)
13. Spider-Man
14. Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot
15. God of War
16. Assassin’s Creed Odyssey
17. Spider-Man: Miles Morales
18. Ghost of Tsushima
19. Gran Turismo Sport
20. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

PS5 and Xbox Series sold 800,000 consoles in the UK last year​

No.	Title	Total Sales	Physical Sales	Digital Sales	Digital Split
1	FIFA 21	2,237,175	1,076,743	1,160,432	51.9%
2	Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War	1,528,985	472,590	1,056,395	69.1%
3	Grand Theft Auto 5	1,248,608	314,129	934,479	74.8%
4	FIFA 20	904,029	341,917	562,112	62.2%
5	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare	899,921	330,650	569,271	63.3%
6	Animal Crossing: New Horizons	810,535	810,535	No Data	N/A
7	Assassin's Creed Valhalla	693,367	415,533	277,834	40.1%
8	The Last of Us: Part 2	543,218	344,291	198,927	36.6%
9	NBA 2K20	481,535	59,508	422,027	87.6%
10	Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege	455,705	36,002	419,703	92.1%
11	Red Dead Redemption 2	436,841	137,930	298,911	68.4%
12	Mario Kart 8: Deluxe	427,667	427,667	No Data	N/A
13	Spider-Man: Miles Morales	400,636	273,629	127,007	31.7%
14	Monopoly Plus	398,002	N/A	398,002	100%
15	Marvel's Avengers	380,596	252,085	128,511	33.8%
16	Ghost of Tsushima	373,472	192,523	180,949	48.5%
17	Cyberpunk 2077	371,215	371,215	No Data	N/A
18	Minecraft	334,688	221,361	113,327	33.9%
19	Assassin's Creed Odyssey	327,603	54,922	272,681	83.2%
20	Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order	312,915	180,551	132,364	42.3%

Germany Sales Awards

The Last of Us: Part II passed 500.000 units sold in December
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales passed 200.000 units sold in December
Ghost of Tsushima passed 200.000 units sold in September




Ghost of Tsushima did much better in Japan but the sales reports are from Europe and it shows how far behind Ghost of Tsushima is in comparison to The Last of Us Part II.

It's also tracking better in 2021, so if Ghost of Tsushima was at 6.5 million copies sold back in March, The Last of Us Part II is well ahead of that.

I said it more or it could be less, what else do you want from me man

 

[WizeVibez]

Yeah, we like to fetishize the apocalypse here.

 

[GeorgPrime]

So many beta males simping for Abby

 

[Kokoloko85]

So many beta males simping for Abby

Abby’s parts in the game are better than Ellie’s In my opinion, more dramatic and different. Apart from the California section. Nothing to do with simping lol.

As a character I prefer Ellie but her sections with Dina werent as good and I found Dina’s character and chemistry with Ellie mostly boring

 

[Kokoloko85]

Fantastic game and well deserved. And I say this as someone who thinks Abby is a shitty person and I’m amazed people genuinely liked her.

But she’s a less shitty person than Ellie and Joel In my opinion. Even though I like Ellie and Joel more lol

 

[Madflavor]

I’m glad some of you finally feel vindicated for your love of the game now.

 

[TheMan]

I really dont' get the level of vitriol LOUII generates on this board. Like is it a joke that i'm not getting?

 

[Captain Toad]

You know Ellie, we really are the last of US!

... Part 2.

That line really choked me up. Very impactful.

 

[Boss Mog]

Imagine gloating that a game that was 19.99 and 29.99 for a long time outold games that cost double or more. Not to mention more time on the market.

 

[tmlDan]

I was responding to that loser calling people man child because they don't like the game. Not sure what's so difficult for you to follow.

you're the only one acting like a man child here tbh, you're gonna have the entire forum on your ignore list if you can't handle it.

 

[SLB1904]

So people not rubber stamping something and having legitimate reasons for not liking it is "freaking out like a man child"? Grow the fuck up, kid.

the game has been out for a year. one would think you have moved on but here we are.

 

[MikeM]

Loved TLOU2 . Its not for everyone, but man did they also nail is from the technical side too.

Last gen PS Studio games have me beyond excited for the future of PS5 only games.

 

[A.Romero]

I really dont' get the level of vitriol LOUII generates on this board. Like is it a joke that i'm not getting?

It materializes years worth animosity between two ideologies. As many other things in the last few years, everyone (regardless of what kind of ideology they are pushing) is always looking to prove how right they are based on how successful/unsuccessful it is with the masses. Evidently, the vast majority of people don't care and are not even aware of what it all is supposed to mean. My opinion is that it fails in pushing an agenda (if it even was meant to push one).

TLOUII is a technical marvel and a game very well done. It's only flaw was the pacing which keeps me from playing it again. Other than that it could have been totally different in regards of who the main characters are and how they are written and still find success because again, it's a good game.

Gay characters in apocalyptic environments have existed before (for example Walking Dead) and nobody really cared but people complaining about it and people complaining about the complainers. It's only important if you have any kind of interest in having "minorities" have a bigger representation in all media or if you really feel they shouldn't (regardless of the reason).

Truth is: nobody cares. IMO social change is reflected by media and not caused by it.

 

[Represent.]

Best game ever made. Well deserved. Bring on whatever Naughty Dog, the greatest developers of all time, do next.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

the game has been out for a year. one would think you have moved on but here we are.

Moved on from what......sharing an opinion that is different than others....Discussing things on a message board about games? Are you new to the internet or just being an asshole on purpose?

 

[SLB1904]

Moved on from what......sharing an opinion that is different than others....Discussing things on a message board about games? Are you new to the internet or just being an asshole on purpose?

i mean. you are the one derailing the thread with the same old, the game sucked and overrated. the thread isn't about it lol

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

i mean. you are the one derailing the thread with the same old, the game sucked and overrated. the thread isn't about it lol

Actually, im not derailing anything nor did i even say what you're claiming i did. If you're going to start shit in a thread about someone, at least post the truth and know what the hell you're talking about.

Personally, this disgusts me, but it is what it is.

As to why it performed how it did, others have touched on it. IMO, it owes a great deal of it's success based on how fantastic the first one was and how many of those people were expecting something similar for the sequel. Whether they actually LIKED what they ended up with vs sales of the product are two different things that all of you gloaters need to remember. GAF represents a small vocal group of the overall gaming community, so if alot of you here liked what you played and we can be certain the shithole ERA all liked it, while that speaks alot, it isn't by any means a representation to say for sure that everyone enjoyed it who played it. A similar count of those who ACTUALLY ENJOYED what they played vs total sales would be a much more interesting story to hear.

That was having a conversation......people calling others "man babies" and other things, are derailing the thread. We can all be adults and discuss differing opinions. If that doesn't work for you, then Era is more your place to be.

 

[evanft]

I finished this game last summer but it still somehow gives me entertainment. That's fantastic value.

 

[DForce]

Okay. God of War is a failure -- by your metric.

I, however know almost nothing about GoW development or budget, and have barely looked into it.
That there is a two year difference in development cycles, and Naughty Dog have more employees might give you some idea that ND wasted money there.

By my own "Twisted Logic" Naughty Dog lost a fair bit of money compared to GOW. But if you want to compare the two then yes, LOU2 is a failure compared to GOW and probably every game in that initial top 10.

Is it that hard to comprehend that a game might lose money if it's adverstising / work budget exceeds the amount it earns at retail?

No, that's your metric. You don't want to use the chart placement anymore because that failed.

This game mad well over 300 million dollars and you're trying to tell me the development budget exceeded that amount. This is why I don't take you seriously because you're making up reasons out of thin air on why it "failed". The sales figures and your development/marketing budget exceeded the amount isn't going to work considering how much the game sold.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Imagine gloating that a game that was 19.99 and 29.99 for a long time outold games that cost double or more. Not to mention more time on the market.

It's measured in dollar sales. Discount price does not matter.

 

[tassletine]

No, that's your metric. You don't want to use the chart placement anymore because that failed.

This game mad well over 300 million dollars and you're trying to tell me the development budget exceeded that amount. This is why I don't take you seriously because you're making up reasons out of thin air on why it "failed". The sales figures and your development/marketing budget exceeded the amount isn't going to work considering how much the game sold.

You spelled made wrong. I suggest you take that seriously.

This list below should help your comprehension.

Even though LOU2 isn't on the list, Uncharted cost over 100 million to develop (also not on the list but look it up) so you can reasonably expect LOU2 to cost more than that, especially given the extended dev cycle and delays.
Factor in advertising and you can see how it could have made a loss.

List of most expensive video games to develop - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DForce]

You spelled made wrong. I suggest you take that seriously.

This list below should help your comprehension.

Even though LOU2 isn't on the list, Uncharted cost over 100 million to develop (also not on the list but look it up) so you can reasonably expect LOU2 to cost more than that, especially given the extended dev cycle and delays.
Factor in advertising and you can see how it could have made a loss.

List of most expensive video games to develop - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's nothing wrong with my comprehension, but there's something wrong with yours.

It took less than a month for The Last of Us Part II to surpass uncharted 4 in revenue and the game continues to sell. lol

Game sold 4.1 million in 3 days.

Lets assume half of those were digital, that's over 122 million. 86 million from physical copies after 30% retail cut. You're talking about over 208 million, and not counting the special editions that were sold.

1. A game that surpassed UC4 in revenue in less than a month.
2. A game that a sold 4.1 million in 3 days.


The game made that in less than week and you still want to tell me that its not enough because you want to believe the marketing/development budget is near 400-500 million, which is laughable.

 

[Boss Mog]

It's measured in dollar sales. Discount price does not matter.

You realize that a discounted price encourages sales right, that's why they do it.

 

[assurdum]

Personally, this disgusts me, but it is what it is.

As to why it performed how it did, others have touched on it. IMO, it owes a great deal of it's success based on how fantastic the first one was and how many of those people were expecting something similar for the sequel. Whether they actually LIKED what they ended up with vs sales of the product are two different things that all of you gloaters need to remember. GAF represents a small vocal group of the overall gaming community, so if alot of you here liked what you played and we can be certain the shithole ERA all liked it, while that speaks alot, it isn't by any means a representation to say for sure that everyone enjoyed it who played it. A similar count of those who ACTUALLY ENJOYED what they played vs total sales would be a much more interesting story to hear.

I definitely enjoyed to play it. But the story irritated so much to forget the gameplay. No way I will buy the possible sequel at launch if ND will try to sell another moralistic lesson for the life. I want to like the story for the story not for the deeper moralistic. No need Druckmann writing to understand revenge is shit. Though it's hilarious you kill thousand of persons as nothing for the whole game and the most psychotic one was a poor victim (because daddy) and save her should change the perspective of what revenge means.

 

[yurinka]

I thought when you said "Japanese AC" you meant Assassins Creed with Japanese setting which to me accurate description of Ghost of Tsushima.

Uh, nope. I meant Animal Crossing Japanese sales.

 

[Danjin44]

Uh, nope. I meant Animal Crossing Japanese sales.

Then sorry, my mistake.