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In the US, The Last of Us Part II has outsold Miles Morales and Ghost of Tsushima
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xBlueStonex
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Hit the nail right on the head. Without the masterpiece that was the original, and the ridiculously false advertising campaign, TLOU2 wouldn't have sold half as well as it has.
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kyliethicc
Member
They only have physical sales for Nintendo games, as it says.More than Animal Crossing?!?!
I know it is NA only but still, just 1 of those doing more than AC, let alone three, is a shock.
So Animal Crossing would almost certainly be in the 3 or 4 spot if they had the full data for it. Adding digital sales would likely almost double it's number, since around 50% or more of games sold are digital nowadays.
TheGrat1
Member
Even taking all of that into account, I am still surprised.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
RDR 2 can thank RDR1
GTAV can thank the previous installments in the series.
SF4 can thank SF2 and 3.
The list goes on.
xBlueStonex
Member
Yes. You just reaffirmed his point.
That being said, I can assure you that the hype for RDR3 and GTA6 is far greater than TLOU3. ND fooled us once, it won't happen a second time.
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kyliethicc
Member
Well, AC NH shipped in March 2020. By May 2020 it had already sold like 13 million.
This chart only covers the last 12 months, beginning June 2020. So a big chunk of ACNH's sales are pre-June 2020 and thus not counted here.
(And then lack of digital sales data on top.)
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The problem is that you guys think the majority doesn't didn't like it.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Based on the evidence, well over 10m sold easily right now is tremendous. Seems the hate has fueled sales.
Ulysses 31
Member
He used that chart to show that TLOU2 had a big drop off yes, something which the NPD one also seems to corroborate. That TLOU2 still outsold GoT is likely due to the 4 million in 3 days head start.
Gonna need to see a citation that they think MC is the end all, be all of gamers opinions. They are sceptical of MC ever since they remove negative reviews.
Quote me something they said about the reviews that the high scoring ones aren't genuine.
No, you just said they were without providing any receipts. "Just look at any video" doesn't qualify as proof.
tassletine
Member
Doesn't matter. The top 10 is still a cesspool of overbaked unoriginal ideas.
GOT may have been a Ubisoft clone, but it was a smallish team with an original IP which makes it far more interesting -- And what they achieved much more commendable.
LOU2 was a game with a huge budget, massive critical respect behind it and a seven year development cycle -- In that regard sitting beneath Assassins Creed and Madden is a objective failure.
That Druckman desperately and consistently tries to position himself and that game as some sort of Underdog s getting embarrassing now, and posts like this one, that championing that position seem deluded.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're doing it again. How is it proof when games I showed you showed a drop off after 3 months?
You're defending his lies. Give it up, dude lol
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You guys don't follow sales. Don't even engage in an argument when you don't know what you're talking about.
tassletine
Member
Completely. This post is basically like cheering on a wealthy bully, but amusingly the OP doesn't realise that what they are doing is showing how uselessly that game performed, not the other way around.
tassletine
Member
Care to enlighten me Sire?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
- Red Dead Redemption 2
- Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
- NBA 2K19
- Madden NFL 19
- Super Smash Bros. Ultimate*
- Marvel’s Spider-Man
- Far Cry 5
- God of War 2018
- Monster Hunter: World
- Assassin’s Creed: Odyssey
- Grand Theft Auto V
- Mario Kart 8*
- FIFA 19**
- Battlefield V**
- Super Mario Odyssey*
- Call of Duty: WWII**
Is God of War a failure since Madden 19 sold better?
xBlueStonex
Member
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Predictable. You're right here in the bold.The problem is you think the majority like it.
The game has over 100 Reader Choice Awards and millions of people voted.
You're sharing a MC score from a lot of people who didn't buy the game, which is also under 66k users compared to millions of gamers who bought the game.
Yeah, lets hold the MC score to a higher value.. /s
Ulysses 31
Member
My guess is they assumed TLOU2 would've been an exception with how hyped it was thanks to the first game and that it wouldn't follow that drop off trend you posted.
He could be wrong and you right about the physical sales, the way I understood his "attack" on TLOU2 with that chart is that it should've been in the charts longer if the game was as beloved as a lot of media were saying.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Now you're "assuming"
Every time you debate, you move the goalpost. Its not working here. You never once mention the other games I pulled up for obvious reasons. Anyone who has been following sales knows the game drops off to after 1 or 2 months.
I can't sit here and waste anymore time while you damage control your beloved YouTubers. Guys like Matt, Benji, Zhuge wouldn't even consider anything close to what they're saying about sales, but somehow YouTubers who followed video game sales for a week knows more than them... riiight.
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tassletine
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??? I never said God of War was a failure, that has nothing to do with it -- so stop straw dogging. I have no idea what that list represents.
What I said that the top 10 presented initially was filled with unimaginative bloated sequels (or something like that) and in this context, and the context of LOU2 budget and critical success, LOU2 is a objective failure.
That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the game a lot, but seven years worth of work for that? I don't think so.
Conversely in this context, GOT comes out on top, not only monetarily as the profits would have been far greater, but spiritually as well as it is the clear underdog.
DeepSpace5D
Member
Not to mention the fact that TLoU II was an example of one of if not the worst review bombings with tens of thousands of negative scores when the game hadn’t even been out for a day and would have been pretty much impossible to play through in that timeframe. So much so that metacritic changed their policy to a 36-hour delay before user reviews can be posted for future games in light of it, with the message “Please spend some time playing the game” beforehand.
And aside from all that, the funny thing is that Metacritic still shows a majority positive, with the definition of majority being the number greater than 50%.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You didn't have to mention it.
Your logic is that since TLOU 2 is behind Madden and Assassins Creed, that means it's an "objective failure". You don't want to apply that same logic to GoW because that would mean you GoW is a failure, too.
Don't use the placement of the game in the NPD charts as proof when it you can't apply it to other Sony games. You're making a standard that only applies to your own twisted logic. Only people who are calling it a failure are the ones hating on the game. You won't see anyone following the video game industry would consider it close to a failure.
Ulysses 31
Member
Not an hard assumption to make when they bring sales up so often that they expected TLOU2 to chart for longer than it did. With all the marketing the game had I can see that point too.
Only thing I'm defending them(Quartering & G + G) on is that they're just mindless TLOU2 haters. They could well be wrong about specific sales numbers since Sony still hasn't given an update beyond that 4 million in 3 days one. At the end of the day, I don't care if TLOU2 sells more than GoT or not.
MISTER INVEIGLER
Member
Great game. Well deserved.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Exactly. Every sequel leverages the popularity and fanbase of the previous entry. That's the entire point of having an ongoing franchise.
And outside of the Reddit/GAF hardcore internet circle, most people loved TLOU 2 way more than Ghost of Tsushima and Miles Morales. In fact, way more than any other game released in 2020, as evident by the number of readers' choice awards TLOU 2 got.
For reference, TLOU 2 got 108 readers' choice awards in 2020. The next best was Cyberpunk 2077 with just 24 readers' choice awards, and that was a multiplatform game. On the other hand, Ghost of Tsushima won 11 readers' choice awards, and Miles Morales won 0.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
June 2020 to May 2021 - Total Dollar Sales in USA, Physical + Digital
#3 The Last of Us Part II - June 2020 to May 2021 (12 months)
#4 Spider man Miles Morales - November 2020 to May 2021 (7 months)
#5 Ghost of Tsushima - July 2020 to May 2021 (11 months)
The NPD group tracks the best selling games in the USA over the last 12 months. Meaning currently, we can see physical and digital dollar sales from June 2020 to May 2021. This covers the entire time all 3 big 1st party games from PlayStation have been on sale. We know Ghost sold over 6.5 million units, and since it ranks 3rd on this chart, we know all 3 games have sold at least 7-8 million units by now. A safe guess is Ghost of Tsushima has sold 7-8 million units, Spider-man Miles Morales has sold 8-9 million units, and The Last of Us Part II has sold 9-10 million units. So we now know The Last of Us Part II has been a big sales success for Sony. Also, interestingly, all 3 games have climbed higher since last month, showing strong sales momentum long after launch.
Miles Morales has been on sale for fewer months, but has benefited from being the major PS5 launch game. And it has since outsold Ghost of Tsushima. However, The Last of Us Part II has outsold Miles Morales so far, at least in terms of dollar sales. Miles Morales was a $50 game, not a $60 game, which makes its position here a bit more impressive. It would have had to sell more units (at a lower price) to overtake Ghost. If The Last of Us Part II and Miles Morales each sold the same number of units, at their full prices of $60 and $50 respectively, then The Last of Us Part II would rank higher in dollar sales. So there is a small possibility Miles Morales has outsold The Last of Us Part II in units, but thats also pretty unlikely. Many users will have paid less than $60 for The Last of Us Part II, making the price difference between it and Miles Morales basically a non-factor.
May 2021 NPD: Improving weather and pandemic conditions cannot slow U.S. game sales
The May 2021 NPD video game report reveals another strong month for sales on the back of new hardware and Resident Evil: Village.venturebeat.com
ChuckeRearmed
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COD, Madden, Assassin's Creed. If it were Europe there would be Fifa. Some things never change 
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Thirty7ven
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3 Sony games in the top 6, amazing performance.
MM is also getting boosted as it's seems to me being a system seller so it's definitely got that pro. Also not sure that the general buyer is taking game length into account when buying a game.
Petaya Berry
Banned
Having a bargain price sure helps.
And the excuse for Animal Crossing? Is standalone expansion an oxymoron?
It's in dollar sales so no. You're wrong.Having a bargain price sure helps.
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Cyborg
Member
So it's not good to pay 70 euros but too cheap isn't good either? All the debate games for PS5 being too expensive and all and here you have an amazing game for under 20 bucks and that's somehow negative....Having a bargain price sure helps.
Ulysses 31
Member
Cheaper price can boost sales volume so he's not completely off base.
But cheaper price would reduce dollar sales. The chart is in dollar sales. If the others made less money then they didn't price it correctly.
Ulysses 31
Member
Would help if we knew the sales numbers.
It might've been the case that slashing half the price resulted in 3x the usual sales making the price reduction result in higher overall revenue.
But it's not like other games have not reduced in price like GoT both of these games released a year go.
Kokoloko85
Member
Kinda pointless arguements here.
TLOU2 was a sequel to one of my most popular and best games. Ghost of Tsushima was a new IP. Spiderman MM was a smaller standalone type DLC or whatever you call it.
Not surprised by the numbers. All great games and expected whether you like them or not
TLOU2 was a sequel to one of my most popular and best games. Ghost of Tsushima was a new IP. Spiderman MM was a smaller standalone type DLC or whatever you call it.
Not surprised by the numbers. All great games and expected whether you like them or not
vito_don_corleone_
Banned
It’s “dollar sales”.MM was advertised as a ps5 game. Tlou2 is a sequel to a beloved game, while MM is a dlc game, sold as a full game.
As much as we like a guess, we also have to add game sales. Lau2 was on sale couple of time, which made its sales go up. Not to mention, it was released when people where on lockdown. While MM was released at the end of the lockdown.
Mm should outsold tlou2 by the end of this year. Its spiderman game. Ain't no way a horror game, would outsell a freaking spiderman game.
At the end of the day, I am happy ps5 is doing good sales.
Miles, beat that game on sales. Go miles.
If TLoU2 was cheap on sale it actually had to sell more copies.
Also, Miles is like a first choice game for PS5. Pretty much everyone who bought a new console felt “obliged” to get Miles too.
TLoU2 is a goat and forever will be.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Having a bargain price sure helps.
Those are mostly from third party sellers and that means it doesn't count towards actual units sold on NPD.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Completion rate tells the tale, haters stay collecting Ls.
The Alien
Banned
B...but...but....millions sold. MILLIONS SOLD!!!!
PLAYSTATION!!! SOOOONNNNYYY!!!
Ulysses 31
Member
Still there isn't enough data to say for sure that the price reduction was not a factor like you told Petaya Berry.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Personally, this disgusts me, but it is what it is.
As to why it performed how it did, others have touched on it. IMO, it owes a great deal of it's success based on how fantastic the first one was and how many of those people were expecting something similar for the sequel. Whether they actually LIKED what they ended up with vs sales of the product are two different things that all of you gloaters need to remember. GAF represents a small vocal group of the overall gaming community, so if alot of you here liked what you played and we can be certain the shithole ERA all liked it, while that speaks alot, it isn't by any means a representation to say for sure that everyone enjoyed it who played it. A similar count of those who ACTUALLY ENJOYED what they played vs total sales would be a much more interesting story to hear.
As to why it performed how it did, others have touched on it. IMO, it owes a great deal of it's success based on how fantastic the first one was and how many of those people were expecting something similar for the sequel. Whether they actually LIKED what they ended up with vs sales of the product are two different things that all of you gloaters need to remember. GAF represents a small vocal group of the overall gaming community, so if alot of you here liked what you played and we can be certain the shithole ERA all liked it, while that speaks alot, it isn't by any means a representation to say for sure that everyone enjoyed it who played it. A similar count of those who ACTUALLY ENJOYED what they played vs total sales would be a much more interesting story to hear.
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What data would help? Say you had the unit sales. What would that prove? In dollar sales it was ahead. If the unit sales were high then Petaya Berrys point would be that the "bargain prices sure helps" but if dollar sales are high bargain prices don't actually help. They directly reduce your dollar sales. If you are driving higher revenue with lower prices then you are doing well.
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