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[DF] Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - Image Quality + Performance Tests

Yeah, I totally forgot about. I remember I played when it was released but I was annoyed by the writing. Dialog was cringe at the beginning.

I stopped playing it further for some reason and never managed to finish it.

Gameplay bugged me a little. And definitely agree it felt like a cheap Soviet soap opera at some points.
 

elliot5

Member


Its too easy

I was gonna say this guy's a clown, but I just realized it's your video.

John was referring to what he was seeing on his TV (an LG OLED iirc), not the capture Alex got(?) and put in the video clip. John was unable to get the gamma to appear due to black crush on his end.

You then goes on about the "developers intent" comment, saying DF was trying to attribute that to the Xbox version (claiming they don't know Xbox is the "intent" or not), despite the Xbox SDR version matching the PC SDR version hence it likely being the "proper" intent.

You then say hold up "Which one looks better?" as if that matters in an analysis because it's subjective. I find the Xbox SDR/capture to be a little washed out in the provided capture by DF, but that's not relevant to 'intent' or whether black crush/gamma issues are existent. The gamma/brightness slider SHOULD change it to match the "fogginess" of the Xbox version IF IT WORKED properly. Whether you prefer one look over the other is subjective.

Then you say the Xbox DVR is broken, even though that's also irrelevant because DF isn't using the Xbox DVR as a source of footage. They're using their own 4k60 capture card, not the recording functionality of the consoles.

I would like to see deeper blacks and a little more contrast on the Xbox version, but to claim DF is "bought out" is ridiculous.
 
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Stuart360

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putting your bombast aside. I have to agree about the gamma. I cannot see a single place with true black on Xbox in that footage. That can’t be right.
The Xbox and PC versions are the same, and correct. The PS5 version is obviously crushed to hell.
I played the game yesterday on PC, the part where you have to get the train carraige from that station thats like a maze, and it was so dark it took me 40mins to do it, and that was the PC version with the gamma also turned up a bit.
God knows how you could even do that are on PS5 when its as crushed as this.

Also like was pointed out earler, XB1 usually had these darker gamma levels last gen, and anyone who said they preferred that look was shot down constantly.
You cant have it both ways.
 

Shmunter

Member
The Xbox and PC versions are the same, and correct. The PS5 version is obviously crushed to hell.
I played the game yesterday on PC, the part where you have to get the train carraige from that station thats like a maze, and it was so dark it took me 40mins to do it, and that was the PC version with the gamma also turned up a bit.
God knows how you could even do that are on PS5 when its as crushed as this.

Also like was pointed out earler, XB1 usually had these darker gamma levels last gen, and anyone who said they preferred that look was shot down constantly.
You cant have it both ways.
Yeah, that’s what they did say. .

But they claimed the same thing about Control. Another dark game, and I just couldn’t replicate their findings. The gamma and low light detail was spot on, on PS5

Dunno, maybe it was patched post their analysis. Who knows.
 

Zathalus

Member
Yeah, that’s what they did say. .

But they claimed the same thing about Control. Another dark game, and I just couldn’t replicate their findings. The gamma and low light detail was spot on, on PS5

Dunno, maybe it was patched post their analysis. Who knows.
The developers did release a patch to fix the crushed blacks on Control. Was mentioned in the patch notes.


They also fixed the Xbox stuttering issue.
 
not trying to be that guy, but i played some of the opening sequences and am not seeing what everyone's raving about. definitely looks dated. the RT isn't anything noticeable when you're not comparing it in a comparison video. i'm on series x. it's a little blurry and textures aren't anything special at all. playing on an LG C8 55 inch OLED on my desk about 3 feet away. am i missing something? going to continue on, but the first 30-45 minutes aren't blowing me away at all.
 

Shmunter

Member
not trying to be that guy, but i played some of the opening sequences and am not seeing what everyone's raving about. definitely looks dated. the RT isn't anything noticeable when you're not comparing it in a comparison video. i'm on series x. it's a little blurry and textures aren't anything special at all. playing on an LG C8 55 inch OLED on my desk about 3 feet away. am i missing something? going to continue on, but the first 30-45 minutes aren't blowing me away at all.
Should have got the PS5 version. Your experience would have been transformative. 😜
 
Should have got the PS5 version. Your experience would have been transformative. 😜
well, i do have a ps5 also but only had metro on xbox. i'm just noticing that even though resolution is better on the series x, ps5 handles color and contrast and of course framerate better. most noticeably destiny 2 and no man's sky which i play back and forth on both. not sure why the series x has a more "washed out" look on these games!
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
not trying to be that guy, but i played some of the opening sequences and am not seeing what everyone's raving about. definitely looks dated. the RT isn't anything noticeable when you're not comparing it in a comparison video. i'm on series x. it's a little blurry and textures aren't anything special at all. playing on an LG C8 55 inch OLED on my desk about 3 feet away. am i missing something? going to continue on, but the first 30-45 minutes aren't blowing me away at all.
I started on the PS5 today and haven't really been impressed either.
 

tommib

Member
not trying to be that guy, but i played some of the opening sequences and am not seeing what everyone's raving about. definitely looks dated. the RT isn't anything noticeable when you're not comparing it in a comparison video. i'm on series x. it's a little blurry and textures aren't anything special at all. playing on an LG C8 55 inch OLED on my desk about 3 feet away. am i missing something? going to continue on, but the first 30-45 minutes aren't blowing me away at all.
Game sucks, my dude. I don't know how it became this graphical benchmark for the Digital Foundry autists. It's ugly and poor. But it is a great example of the marketing power of anything labeled Ray-Tracing.
 

Dodkrake

Banned
I'm actually still amazed by the cognitive dissonance on this forum. This time, people are criticizing for calling out what he perceives to yet again be more shenanigans from Digital Foundry. Why cognitive dissonance? Because pople are giving him shit when he said the games look SIMILAR in both his Xbox Series X and his PS5, and the CAPTURE on the Xbox looks washed out. He didn't attack your precious green console, friends. He stated the game looks the same in a live setting.

But nah, it's better to call someone a parody than to actually make an effort to have a critical mind.

Btw, I haven't played the PS5 version yet, but going by the videos, both CAPTURES show issues - The PS5 has crushed blacks (not to the extent Digital Foundry makes it be) and the Xbox Series X has a washed out image. I haven't seen any on a live setting, so I won't comment on that spectrum.
 

Gediminas

Banned
''I'm actually still amazed by the cognitive dissonance on this forum. This time, people are criticizing for calling out what he perceives to yet again be more shenanigans from Digital Foundry. Why cognitive dissonance? Because pople are giving him shit when he said the games look SIMILAR in both his Xbox Series X and his PS5, and the CAPTURE on the Xbox looks washed out. He didn't attack your precious green console, friends. He stated the game looks the same in a live setting.

But nah, it's better to call someone a parody than to actually make an effort to have a critical mind.

Btw, I haven't played the PS5 version yet, but going by the videos, both CAPTURES show issues - The PS5 has crushed blacks (not to the extent Digital Foundry makes it be) and the Xbox Series X has a washed out image. I haven't seen any on a live setting, so I won't comment on that spectrum.''


(y)
 
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The color reproduction thing is just stupid, on both sides of the aisle though. If the developer 'fixes' it on either console I hope they give the option like they did on PC for 'deependark' color option which imo looks so much better in a game like this. I think people playing on Series consoles also should switch to that one cause that is more in line with the in-game world.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
It does make logical sense that if a game is not very well optimized for each specific system the XSX would win on resolution while the PS5 would win on framerate. The XSX has a wider GPU (it can process more pixels per tick), while the PS5 has a faster GPU (each tick is faster). So it MIGHT be the case that even lowering the resolution on XSX wouldn't bridge the small performance gap. Depends on how the game/engine works.
 
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exposing the lies is now hating. clueless, yes, that's why nobody can denied those facts. garbage for delusional xbox fans because they are talking about reality.

and yes, maybe not banned but they get warnings. censoring is real in here.
Dude, what are you talking about? What lies? Please do explain.



Oh I see, you edited thinking no one would catch that! Lol
 
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RoadHazard

Gold Member
There's like no noticeable difference in image clarity when you're viewing the moving footage. BOTH look rather soft on a 4K TV. The only way to really tell any difference is to pause and zoom in. So yeah. I would take the smoother performance if I were to choose.

No, I don't have a VRR capable TV.
 
PS5 version looks better just because of the gamma issue. No matter which one is meant to be 'correct', those washed out tones on the Xbox look terrible. Frankly I would rather have some black crash over that.
They aren't washed out at all if your screen is properly calibrated. On a properly calibrated tv the PC deepened dark looks totally different than the ps5 one. There is way too many lost details in the ps5 version that are visible with the deepen dark command. I will say the ps5 looks warmer and I do prefer warmer but it's not a proper white balance.
 
do the vinc settings, on the hdr calibration , and bang gamma half way in game.

boom , perfect p5... lost detail?? ffs....

possibility of lost detail , on a shit tv.
 
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RoadHazard

Gold Member
Ah right, in that case I'm going to go with that its OLEDs crushing near blacks then, it seems to me like they test a lot of games on low contrast displays during that part of QA. FALD TVs have gotten so much better over the last 5 years and it seems like they don't have any displays like this in-house.

Maybe some companies do that QA in-house and others use contracters who are much more in the know about that kind of thing?

I have a Sony LCD TV from 2017 with local dimming, and I can easily see the darkest symbol in the video. On my phone with an OLED display I can't.
 
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Killer8

Member
They probably don't have a properly calibrated screen, or a very shitty screen with poor blacks.

The footage is captured via a direct feed source though. Almost all other direct feed footage of games i've seen have not looked this washed out.

I don't doubt that messing with TV settings can fix it, but this would mean changing my TV settings for just one game at the detriment of all others.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Game sucks, my dude. I don't know how it became this graphical benchmark for the Digital Foundry autists. It's ugly and poor. But it is a great example of the marketing power of anything labeled Ray-Tracing.

Ray traced global illumination. Alex is absolutely obsessed by it, to the point where as long as a game has that nothing else really matters to him. A game with it looks amazing, one without it looks outdated, to him.
 

CyberChulo

Member
Not sure if this is normal but in my example on the PS5, if I walk to the an area with water and I start panning the camera, I can see the RTX reflections draw into the water. Is that happening for anyone else?
 
Pretty much every AAA game where there seems to be a logo and warning for every little shit. Bethesda games was also a huge culprit of this admittingly with Doom 64.

Yeah but you mentioned the 70$ price tag so you were definitely talking about this generation. Plus don't you think 10 minutes is an exaggeration for both platforms?

Of course I am fond of it. I don't want to pay 70 dollars constantly for games and have to wait 10 minutes between video game logos and going through main menu to load up my game. Not to mention Halo and Forza are coming out soon which has me excited.

As for the logo and warning some platforms allow you to skip that to improve start up times.


So I'm not sure what old games like Doom 64 have to do with this generation of games.



On the PS4 you can still see the initial splash screens. Nowhere near 10 minutes even on that platform.
 
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RoadHazard

Gold Member
Yeah but you mentioned the 70$ price tag so you were definitely talking about this generation. Plus don't you think 10 minutes is an exaggeration for both platforms?



As for the logo and warning some platforms allow you to skip that to improve start up times.


So I'm not sure what old games like Doom 64 have to do with this generation of games.



On the PS4 you can still see the initial splash screens. Nowhere near 10 minutes even on that platform.


I'm pretty sure that isn't actually true. I see the PlayStation Studios logo every time I launch R&C. Maybe it varies by game.
 
The footage is captured via a direct feed source though. Almost all other direct feed footage of games i've seen have not looked this washed out.

I don't doubt that messing with TV settings can fix it, but this would mean changing my TV settings for just one game at the detriment of all others.
That's odd. On my tv the Xbox/PC looks fantastic but not quite as warm, and the ps5 is way way too dark. In the church at the end, I can't see a damn thing. It's almost nothing but black. My tv is "professionally" calibrated.

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Are you watching the video thru the same input as playing the game? All my sources have their own calibration and settings.
 
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assurdum

Banned
Not sure if this is normal but in my example on the PS5, if I walk to the an area with water and I start panning the camera, I can see the RTX reflections draw into the water. Is that happening for anyone else?
SSR cause such issue. Raytracing reflections it's used just on pc.
 
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sircaw

Banned
I just watched the video and i must admit the xbox version looks washed out, something is wrong with it, or as thrash gaming suggests it's how df foundry captured the game.

The desert scene comparison is awful, the PlayStation one is so rich in colour while the xbox one looks like its overly bright.

what is going on here?
 
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elliot5

Member
I just watched the video and i must admit the box version looks washed out, something is wrong with it, or as thrash gaming suggests it's how df foundry captured the game.

The desert scene comparison is awful, the PlayStation one is so rich in colour while the box one looks like its overly bright.

what is going on here?
Different color reproduction in sdr
 

assurdum

Banned
I just watched the video and i must admit the xbox version looks washed out, something is wrong with it, or as thrash gaming suggests it's how df foundry captured the game.

The desert scene comparison is awful, the PlayStation one is so rich in colour while the xbox one looks like its overly bright.

what is going on here?
The genial Dictator like to talk about complicated tech stuff but seems he is unable to manipulate the monitor setup to improve it.

Outside the completely incompetent tech analysis this channel not show such broken gamma on both version.
 
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I just watched the video and i must admit the xbox version looks washed out, something is wrong with it, or as thrash gaming suggests it's how df foundry captured the game.

The desert scene comparison is awful, the PlayStation one is so rich in colour while the xbox one looks like its overly bright.

what is going on here?
I have a properly calibrated OLED and it's not washed out what so ever. Ps5 does appear warmer though. Ps5 is also way to dark. Zero detail in Shadow. The Xbox and PC footage looks exactly like my PC on the same tv but different input also properly calibrated.
 

elliot5

Member
I have a properly calibrated OLED and it's not washed out what so ever. Ps5 does appear warmer though. Ps5 is also way to dark. Zero detail in Shadow. The Xbox and PC footage looks exactly like my PC on the same tv but different input also properly calibrated.
FYI You are probably running in HDR and I think the washed out look is due to SDR.
 
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