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[mansoor1980]

its true , hes 100 percent correct

 

[sunnysideup]

Jim is right.

Honestly sony games are absolute top quality. Dare i say even overshadowing nintendo.

I dont see how ms could ever compete. Especially considering its history when it comes to nurturing talent.

Just look what they did to rare. Rare was arguable better than bethesda. Now they are irrelevant.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Halo Infinite (campaign). I may also play the campaign for Forza Horizon 5 but this is a wait and see.

In general though, it's more about the entire roadmap of games which as of now is at 12 including Halo Infinite but excluding Forza Horizon 5.I think Halo and Forza look fantastic but they desperately need those to drop. Because Sony already has Miles, Returnal, Demon Souls and Ratchet out which have all seen nothing but stellar reviews.

Halo Infinite (campaign). I may also play the campaign for Forza Horizon 5 but this is a wait and see.

In general though, it's more about the entire roadmap of games which as of now is at 12 including Halo Infinite but excluding Forza Horizon 5.

Halo and Forza look fantastic. But they needed these games to come out yesterday. Sony already has Astro, Returnal, Miles, Demons Souls and Ratchet and FFVII Remake DLC out. Next up is Kena, Deathloop(timed but still 6months before MSFT)Horizon and GoWR? All shaping up to be bangers.

So far, without seeing their event for this year:

• Kena
• Horizon Forbidden West
• Deathloop
• Solar Ash
• Ghostwire Tokyo
• Abandoned

So, 6 exclusives, in addition to other multiplatform games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Far Cry 6, etc.

Meanwhile Xbox only had The Medium, The Ascent, Gears Tactics and Forza Horizon 5 drop in it’s first year.

 

[Blond]

Meh, my pc is ps5 price. And only idiots spend that much money to get pc at that price.

You don't like bethesda games, because they aren't your taste. I don't like halo. But that doesn't mean halo is bad. Same for ff7. I only played for 2 hour. Its on my library. I can play it now, but I won't touch it. Same for re2 remake, monster hunter world. They aren't garbage games. They aren't for me.

As for pc, its your fault for trying those top notch gpu. I mean, 1060 is still works fine. I dont see the issue why you need 3090. Unless you are super rich, or are in to graphic 4ks or whatever its, normal gpu is fine. My setup is amd ryzen 3100, Radeon rx570. Cheap setup. The entire computer costed me 500. I can upgrade it. But I have no use for it.

Bro you’re delusional, a gtx 3060 is 400
if you can find it retail. The last GPU I bought was a 1070 btw, which was mid range and replaced my 580, which I also bought for 400 and it lasted me years.

But expect me to believe anyone looking into getting into PC gaming can build a machine with an equivalent of an 8 core ryzen, 16gb of ram, 512gb ssd (just to round it off), psu, with the motherboard, case and a keyboard/mouse and ray tracing capable gpu for 400 dollars?

 

[pasterpl]

What have the competition released so far?

Next gen patches for past gen games - Gears, forza h etc. gears is specifically interesting as these patches mixed with new expansions can be easlily compared to Spider-Man mm in terms of generational improvements and content, main difference being that ms didn’t release these as stand alone games. Now we also got 3 big first party games coming out in h2 this year.

I think that for the next 12-24 months we will see Sony releasing many past gen remasters (at full price) and couple cross-gen games. I don’t think that Sony’s pipeline is as packed as ms one.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Next gen patches for past gen games - Gears, forza h etc. gears is specifically interesting as these patches mixed with new expansions can be easlily compared to Spider-Man mm in terms of generational improvements and content, main difference being that ms didn’t release these as stand alone games. Now we also got 3 big first party games coming out in h2 this year.

I think that for the next 12-24 months we will see Sony releasing many past gen remasters (at full price) and couple cross-gen games. I don’t think that Sony’s pipeline is as packed as ms one.

Sony already updated Ratchet, TLOU PT 2 and Ghosts to go 60fps on PS5. Kinda baseless claim

 

[existensmaximum]

So far, the experiences I've had with PS5 exclusives that can't be played on anything but the PS5, and enhanced PS4 exclusives (BC, cross-gen or remasters such as FF7) that can't be played on anything but the PS4/PS5 are SO much better than what the PS4 had to offer for the first 6 months, it's ridiculous.

And with that said, I was very happy and impressed with my PS4. Judging from what the PS4 had to offer me, the PS5 will continue to shine and most likely blow the PS4 out of the water too. The present is great and the future will be incredible!

If this is what they've managed to put out in spite of covid-19 ...

 

[Blond]

Jim is right.

Honestly sony games are absolute top quality. Dare i say even overshadowing nintendo.

I dont see how ms could ever compete. Especially considering its history when it comes to nurturing talent.

Just look what they did to rare. Rare was arguable better than bethesda. Now they are irrelevant.

Some people justify what Microsoft did to rare by saying rare doesn’t want to work on their old IPs: which is laughable, because you know they would if any talent that’s left in that husk that could develop anything half as good as their N64 days they would.

 

[BootsLoader]

To be honest, he is right and so far they are doing great.
They already provide more than the competition in 2021. They talk with results and releases more than trailers and this is great. Keep it up Sony.

 

[noise36]

Sony have executed reasonably well so far, but they also arrogant, hypocrites and treat their customers like shit and a part of the success the last 12 months or so is COVID driven and is just pure luck.

I feel like Sony and PlayStation are Blockbuster video at their peak, looking at the rise of Netflix (MS and xbox) and not seeing the threat for what it is, their end if they dont adapt.

Just like Netflix goal was to become HBO before HBO could become them, MS goal with xbox is to become Sony PlayStation (quality software) before they can catch up with them on gamepass/game streaming/back compatibility/PC integration and other consumer friendly offerings.

 

[imsosleepy]

The next gen doesn’t start until I can finally buy a PS5.

exactly. Cant get one here in the netherlands either..

 

[odhiex]

His quote is fine. You guys better not get too exhausted in debating some of the executives' words. That's not worth it.

 

[Kumomeme]

His quote is fine. You guys better not get too exhausted in debating some of the executives' words. That's not worth it.

 

[kyoji]

PS5 has definitely had a better launch period in terms of games than PS4, and the first 18 months also look amazing with the upcoming Horizon, GOW, and GT. I think a lot of people forget the long games drought that Sony had after their initial six month PS4 launch window was over.

His second statement is a little bit funny though. While true that you cannot just solve creativity with money, they really need to expand their studios. Since only insomniac seems to be able to churn out games in less than 4-5 year cycles they are going to run into a problem of not many first party games in 2022-2024. Have a look at their teams and when we should be expecting the next game in the cycle:

Bend Studios
Last release: Days Gone - 2019
Next release: new IP 2024-25?

Guerrilla Games
Next release: Horizon Forbidden West 2021
Release after: unknown 2025

Insomniac Games
Last release: Ratchet & Clank 2021
Release after: unknown, but probably 2022 knowing Insomniac. These guys are amazingly prolific

Media Molecule
Last release: Dreams 2020
Release after: unknown 2024-25?

Naughty Dog
Last release: The Last of Us 2 - 2020
Release after: TLOU 2 Remaster? 2022? 2023? Then after that it is completely unknown. If new IP I expect 2024

Polyphony
Next release: Gran Turismo 7 2022
Release after: GT title 2027

San Diego Studio
Do I need to do this one? They will pump out MLB every year

Santa Monica Studio
Next release: GOW Ragnarok 2022
Release after: unknown, probably another GOW 2026

Sucker Punch
Last release: Ghost of Tsushima 2020
Release after: unknown 2025

Team Asobi
Last release: Astro's Playroom 2020
Release after: Probably Astro VR game? 2022-23

Let's look at the count here. Sony had a great 2020 with TLOU2, Dreams, Astro's Playroom, Miles Morales, and Ghost of Tsushima. 2021 looks like Ratchet and Horizon. 2022 has GOW:Ragnarok and GT, and maybe TLOU2 Remastered. Looking at 2023 though it is apparent that Sony is going to have to be "throwing money at it" by either money hatting or do co-development with studios in order to fill the year with some games. As gaming gets bigger, and games take longer to develop, they need more studios or at least more teams inside their studios.

I don't think that's what he meant when he talks about throwing money at stuff, Xbox isn't new in the gaming industry they've been around almost 20 if not 20 years, and yet if the Bethesda acquisition fell thru or wasn't available for purchase where would these guys be right now? A vast majority of there lineup is no where close to being ready, and these are 'legacy' studios within Xbox. Its a serious question. Its easy to make purchases but to bring everything together into this perfect storm to where things just work is something different. its a culture thing not a money thing.

You ever notice how often its tooted on this forum how Microsoft the parent company has a lot of money, and yet Playstation are still able to get the most impressive partnerships going, ask yourself WHY is that? clearly money isn't the only defector.

 

[cireza]

Sony has been throwing money at third parties for exclusives lol.

 

[TwiztidElf]

Keep bringing the quality like Ratchet+Clank and Returnal Jim, and I'll keep buying, being a satisfied customer, and an advocate of your quality product.

 

[lh032]

well, Jims correct , at least for now.

Microsoft is going to launch alot of games in the future, but currently PS5 has the most lineup so far, its not going to stop as well

 

[zedinen]

Throwing money at the problem has never worked

 

[longdi]

Did you even read?

Nurturing creative talent is not as simple as throwing money at it. You also must give them the freedom to be creative, to take risks and come up with new ideas.

His comment was very specific.

imo he was sneaky and he threw shade at the zenimax buyout.

the bit about freedom and creativity is a front.

It is pretty clear that if you deal with snakes in your life.

 

[lh032]

Sony has been throwing money at third parties for exclusives lol.

and they are going to focus alot of 2nd party exclusives as well based on the partnership announced recently, pretty sure they would like to own fullrights of new IP and dont want to end up like MLB fiasco.

 

[captainraincoat]

PS5 has definitely had a better launch period in terms of games than PS4, and the first 18 months also look amazing with the upcoming Horizon, GOW, and GT. I think a lot of people forget the long games drought that Sony had after their initial six month PS4 launch window was over.

His second statement is a little bit funny though. While true that you cannot just solve creativity with money, they really need to expand their studios. Since only insomniac seems to be able to churn out games in less than 4-5 year cycles they are going to run into a problem of not many first party games in 2022-2024. Have a look at their teams and when we should be expecting the next game in the cycle:

Bend Studios
Last release: Days Gone - 2019
Next release: new IP 2024-25?

Guerrilla Games
Next release: Horizon Forbidden West 2021
Release after: unknown 2025

Insomniac Games
Last release: Ratchet & Clank 2021
Release after: unknown, but probably 2022 knowing Insomniac. These guys are amazingly prolific

Media Molecule
Last release: Dreams 2020
Release after: unknown 2024-25?

Naughty Dog
Last release: The Last of Us 2 - 2020
Release after: TLOU 2 Remaster? 2022? 2023? Then after that it is completely unknown. If new IP I expect 2024

Polyphony
Next release: Gran Turismo 7 2022
Release after: GT title 2027

San Diego Studio
Do I need to do this one? They will pump out MLB every year

Santa Monica Studio
Next release: GOW Ragnarok 2022
Release after: unknown, probably another GOW 2026

Sucker Punch
Last release: Ghost of Tsushima 2020
Release after: unknown 2025

Team Asobi
Last release: Astro's Playroom 2020
Release after: Probably Astro VR game? 2022-23

Let's look at the count here. Sony had a great 2020 with TLOU2, Dreams, Astro's Playroom, Miles Morales, and Ghost of Tsushima. 2021 looks like Ratchet and Horizon. 2022 has GOW:Ragnarok and GT, and maybe TLOU2 Remastered. Looking at 2023 though it is apparent that Sony is going to have to be "throwing money at it" by either money hatting or do co-development with studios in order to fill the year with some games. As gaming gets bigger, and games take longer to develop, they need more studios or at least more teams inside their studios.

You are trying to speak logic to people with their head in the sand…I honestly think we may only see hzd2 and maybe a smaller first party title next year….we have zero actual footage of the rest of their announced games and Sony’s track record of announcing games well before they are going to be released stands by itself….we had the same e3 show for 3 years in a row and In the last year they had e3 we had flute guy before they pulled the pin

So my moneys on 2 aaa games for 2022 and the rest jimbos going to have to get out that chequebook

 

[Panajev2001a]

Sony has been throwing money at third parties for exclusives lol.

Again, we can go by the title on the thread or the actual quote. Ryan says enough stupid things without taking his quotes out of context, like this quote or the “generations” one (both which are reasonable when you see them in full).

Sony has bought companies like ND and Insomniac or Sucker Punch only after working with them extensively and fine tuning their partnership and then grew them instead of just keep buying studios (ND is far far bigger than when they bought them, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla, Insomniac are bigger too)… and they plan to grow them more and make some acquisitions.

 

[kyoji]

Sony has been throwing money at third parties for exclusives lol.

and xbox hasnt? what rock are you living under respectively speaking? also what do you think day 1 on game pass means when it comes to 3rd parties that decide to add a game to game pass like outridders as an example? Do u think SE did it out of the goodness of there hearts for the gamer? u think there was no compensation? its just a prettier way of paying for limited exclusivity in terms of tempting people by undercutting your opponent.

 

[Panajev2001a]

the bit about freedom and creativity is a front.

It is pretty clear that if you deal with snakes in your life.

Or you are just wired to take everything one exec says as false and sneaky and the other, Phil, as gospel of a kind and generous soul. You are not objective.

 

[Orta]

He's right, throwing money doesn't equal success. But he'd 100% do it if he had access to a bottomless pit of cash.

Bullshitting old twat.

 

[longdi]

Or you are just wired to take everything one exec says as false and sneaky and the other, Phil, as gospel of a kind and generous soul. You are not objective.

no, i just dont like jimbo going in circles and double speaking.

if he kept things plain and simple, i have no problem.

 

[Raonak]

Demons Souls, Miles Morales, Returnal, Ratchet & Clank.

That's a damn good launch window lineup, and there's good variety there too.
Way better than what the PS4 started off with.

Sony's absolutely on fire right now.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Translation: Our competition is waaaaaay outspending us. Quick. Do some PR to downplay.

 

[Panajev2001a]

no, i just dont like jimbo going in circles and double speaking.

if he kept things plain and simple, i have no problem.

There was no double speak or going in circles in that particular quote (yet you see it so strongly, which was my point) and if you are saying you never see anything similar in Good Guy Phil (I think the worst I have seen might be you thinking he is just too nice and good… j/k, but am I that far off ?) well it again reinforces my point.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

You are trying to speak logic to people with their head in the sand…I honestly think we may only see hzd2 and maybe a smaller first party title next year….we have zero actual footage of the rest of their announced games and Sony’s track record of announcing games well before they are going to be released stands by itself….we had the same e3 show for 3 years in a row and In the last year they had e3 we had flute guy before they pulled the pin

So my moneys on 2 aaa games for 2022 and the rest jimbos going to have to get out that chequebook

Is God of War Ragnarok 2 considered a small 1st party title

Kena is coming in August. We already know ND has been hard at work on Factions 2. Forspoken and FFXVI could drop next year too

 

[Bo_Hazem]

imo he was sneaky and he threw shade at the zenimax buyout.

the bit about freedom and creativity is a front.

It is pretty clear that if you deal with snakes in your life.

When I thought your comments can't get any worse.

 

[kyoji]

imo he was sneaky and he threw shade at the zenimax buyout.

the bit about freedom and creativity is a front.

It is pretty clear that if you deal with snakes in your life.

 

[longdi]

There was no double speak or going in circles in that particular quote (yet you see it so strongly, which was my point) and if you are saying you never see anything similar in Good Guy Phil (I think the worst I have seen might be you thinking he is just too nice and good… j/k, but am I that far off ?) well it again reinforces my point.

When I thought your comments can't get any worse.

call me sensitive but imo this is jimbo doing investor damage control since the zenimax buyout.

that buyout did shook the landscape if you are an investor looking forward.

 

[Kilau]

Well there isn’t much left to throw money at anyway.

 

[Negotiator101]

"You also must give them the freedom to be creative", yes Jim as the they release sequel after sequel and remakes this guy is a joke. He's taking a dig at Xbox but all his teams are churning out numbered sequels or remakes of old games (more are rumoured as well).

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Throwing money at the problem has never worked

And they still hide their net profit. I doubt they ever made a profit in their history.

 

[Negotiator101]

call me sensitive but imo this is jimbo doing investor damage control since the zenimax buyout.

that buyout did shook the landscape if you are an investor looking forward.

You have the predictable laughing Bo at the bottom cause he's got nothing of any importance to say. Everything you said is correct however, the effects of the Zenimax buyout will reverberate for years.

 

[gow3isben]

Megatons in its first year:

- Rift Apart
- Returnal
- Demons Souls
- Miles Morales
- (Presumably) Horizon FW

How does the PS4 compare exclusive-wise in its first year?

The only think I can think of is Infamous and it wasn't close to any of the games on the above list in terms of reception.

 

[kyoji]

call me sensitive but imo this is jimbo doing investor damage control since the zenimax buyout.

that buyout did shook the landscape if you are an investor looking forward.

I think you are over valuing zenimax i have no doubt he would have liked for them to remain independent, but it was a good move for Microsoft they needed it the absolute most out of the 3 platform holders.
And while u have people on playstation who previously bought or look forward to there games i dont know many people who when purchasing a playstation system go "oh im buying a playstation for bethesda games" theres a whole laundry list of why you own a playstation before you get to that, its just a bonus for people.

Throwing money at stuff is a MS thing in general. They go after stuff that have established reputations or success and then buy them out in attempt to corner the market, i shouldnt have to give you a list of examples of this, im not talking timed exclusives either.

 

[ZywyPL]

Watch out Jim, last time you wanted to land a jab at MS you hit no one but yourself.

If it wasn't for throwing money they would nave nothing, it's money paid for Bluepoint that brought DS remake, it's money that founded Returnal, it's money that bought IG who are carrying their ass right now.

PS4 launch was a swan song of old Sony that used to bring a deversive variety of games, after that they went all-in with their TPP story-driven template, so I don't know if I'd call PS5 that great, there's nothing new really other than a stand-alone expansion, a PS3 game remake, and an indie shooter, R&C is the first game that feels right. And that's pretty much it when it comes to first year, HFW is yet to be either rekeased or delayed.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Respectfully, There is really no point discussing this if you believe bluepoint, housemarque and by extension, from software (bloodborne) , ready at Dawn (the order) , supermassive (until dawn) , quantic dream (detroit) are first party. It's a non-starter. So let's cut our losses and move on before this gets ugly. If insmoniac and bluepoint were first party they wouldn't have made sunset overdrive and titanfall for Microsoft.

I have many reasons to suspect that Sony is lying given their recent history, but i never said they were lying about that. I'm taking a wait and see approach. They have a conference coming up, let's see what they got.

Those studios aren't first-party. But the games they release for PS5 are first-party games. That's the difference you are overlooking.

Returnal, Demon's Souls, Ratchet & Clank, Until Dawn are all first-party games. The risk and reward is all on Sony. The IPs are also owned by Sony.

 

[cireza]

and xbox hasnt

Why are you talking about xbox ?

Sony has bought companies like ND and Insomniac or Sucker Punc

What about buying SFV, FFVII, FFXVI and Forsaken ? Was this free ?

 

[kyoji]

Watch out Jim, last time you wanted to land a jab at MS you hit bo one but yourself.

If it wasn't for throwing money they would nave nothing, it's money paid for Bluepoint that brought DS remake, it's money that founded Returnal, it's money that bought IG who are carrying.

Theres a diference in providing resources, funding, co-development, freedom etc. all while creating an original IP for your brand then lets say going out and buying Minecraft in which you had literally zero involvement, surely you understand this?

 

[Duchess]

What is going on with the OS team? The OS was not stable at launch. It still has issues. Rest mode is a mess. No multitasking. The OS is a downgrade from the PS4 and they’re taking a long time to get it up to par and just get it stable.

I don't understand how Rest mode is broken for some? I've never had an issue, at all. Is it related to the game that is being played? Could it be the manufacturing process is introducing gremlins into the hardware of some models?

I am still haunted by the sound of the disc drive spinning into oblivion in the middle of the night while I slept while the damn thing was in rest mode. Which is fixed now but Christ it should not have shipped to customers with those types of glaring issues.

Wait, wait, wait ... your drive was randomly spinning up during Rest?!!! Oh my lord!

Seriously, the hourly disc spins is the only thing I want them eliminate. Yes, I know they've diminished it and the disc spins slower, but there's really no need for it to spin at all, after the initial start-up check is performed. Also, spinning when playing an unrelated game or watching Netflix is frankly baffling.

 

[quest]

Theres a diference in providing resources, funding, co-development, freedom etc. all while creating an original IP for your brand then lets say going out and buying Minecraft in which you had literally zero involvement, surely you understand this?

Lol sure I remember this fun one. Sony went the money hat route Microsoft bought studios. So Jim can try to play innocent all he wants lol. Not throw around my ass.

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[Bo_Hazem]

Jim Ryan:

"Nurturing creative talent is not as simple as throwing money at it. You also must give them the freedom to be creative, to take risks and come up with new ideas. Just look at Ghost of Tsushima from Sucker Punch. That was not the game we thought they were going to make, but we are not overly rigid or corporate with our talent. We want them to use our hardware as their creative palette."

Xbox crew:

"But he moneyhatted games! But He bought exclusives! He's jealous of Zenimax!"


He's literally talking about giving more money to shit developers doesn't make them accidentally talented, also money isn't everything to make great games. You see? It's very simple. Examples? CyberPunk 2077 = $300M with shit management = CyberGlitch. 343i is a great example of how you should not throw money on bad developers.

 

[FranXico]

"Throwing money won't lead to success", yet MS still has to honour two of their moneyhats after a publisher acquisition, for one example...

Paying a publisher to delay another version of a game is terrible, but buying a publisher to cancel another version of all future entries of a franchise forever is a-okay.

Fanboys and their hypocrisy.

 

[ZywyPL]

Theres a diference in providing resources, funding, co-development, freedom etc. all while creating an original IP for your brand then lets say going out and buying Minecraft in which you had literally zero involvement, surely you understand this?

What's the difference for me as a gamer tho? Whether a studio started and finished developing their game under the same umbrella or was bought somewhere halfway through the dev process and ended up releasing that game under new brand? It's the games themselves what matters, who makes them, I couldn't care less, 1st party, 3rd party, indie, none of it matters when a game does or does not interest me, I judge the games for what they are, not who makes them.

 

[FranXico]

Watch out Jim, last time you wanted to land a jab at MS you hit bo one but yourself.

If it wasn't for throwing money they would nave nothing, it's money paid for Bluepoint that brought DS remake, it's money that founded Returnal, it's money that bought IG who are carrying their ass right now.

PS4 launch was a swan song of old Sony that used to bring a deversive variety of games, after that they went all-in with their TPP story-driven template, so I don't know if I'd call PS5 that great, there's nothing new really other than a stand-alone expansion, a PS3 game remake, and an indie shooter, R&C is the first game that feels right. And that's pretty much it when it comes to first year, HFW is yet to be either rekeased or delayed.

Yeah, they build more, with less money, than their competition does while simply taking away.

Food for thought.

 

[GymWolf]

It must to be unfortunate to have Birch as a last name in america...