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Xbox’s Phil Spencer criticises PlayStation’s PC strategy for being ‘late’ and ‘charging twice’

Spidey Fan

Banned
I guess CDPR™ aren't the only ones doing it.
cdpr went from grace of the gaming hope, to the utter shit, beneath EA. the fact that they hit worst reputation than EA is baffling. How dumb do they have, to out do EA to make gamers hate them fast. That is a trophy for them, gotta hand it to them.
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
I don't think I can use Gamepass. Xbox isn't supported in my country. You should like have an xbox console and do some trickery with a US account then have it activated on PC.

Even without that hassle, Ascent is the type of games I won't play even for free. Maybe the next Forza? Not sure.

Ok, times up! R&C is playable now.

Ratchet And Clank GIF by PlayStation
gl, i am gonna wait 1 year at least. We have the digital one, here at home, cant touch it, since i have to respect his privacy.
 

longdi

Banned
I don't think I can use Gamepass. Xbox isn't supported in my country. You should like have an xbox console and do some trickery with a US account then have it activated on PC.

Even without that hassle, Ascent is the type of games I won't play even for free. Maybe the next Forza? Not sure.

Ok, times up! R&C is playable now.

Ratchet And Clank GIF by PlayStation

can you try using a VPN to activate US gamepass?

something like free tunnelbear, just need a few mbs, 10 mins of your time.

dont waste that 3 years Gamepass loophole!
 

ZoukGalaxy

Member
Phil is so salty apparently.
Why would I buy twice the same game if already own it on PS4/PS5.
This assumption is pretty stupid.
Also, If I own a console, obviously I don't care about the best graphic/framerate.
Pretty lame from him.

I bought Xbox One X, that's not to play on PC.
PC is mostly, for me, free online MP and exclusive VR titles.
 
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luffie

Member
So much strategy, goodwill, and yet so little sales. Don't forget Xbox once wanted to limit you from sharing your games.

It's 2021, and Sony already has Demon Souls, Spiderman, Returnal, Ratchet & Clank, FF7 Intergrade.... and Xbox still hasn't learn from their own mistakes, smh.
 

Varteras

Gold Member
Spencer wasnt the boss of xbox. 2 different thing. Don was the guy who had the authority. Spencer was just a lacky to him, like how booty is to spencer. The dude stopped the xbox momentum, and focused on tv tv, kinetic. Xbox lost alot of time to have stable studios to do their 1st party games. if don havent done that, xbox would have had some great games. But it didnt. and thnx to that, xbox was pretty much on limbo. and with studio taking time to make games, xbox never had the output needed for enough games for their platform, unlike their competitor.

Sony hired Insomniac to do Spiderman, before they bought them. I wish spencer should have done that. he is now working on it though. 3 games from 3rd party developers. The future for xbox is great for them. I am just glad both party can put out great games this gen. xbox line is good, same as sony.
He became the boss of Xbox in 2014. Mattrick didn't even last 6 months after Xbox One released. Yes, Mattrick had lined a lot of things up prior to his departure that Spencer had to deal with. No doubt. But under Spencer, in fact two years after he took over, most of Xbox's first party was gutted. So either Spencer made the call himself or couldn't convince the ones who did to give him time to transform those teams into something his bosses would feel confident in. I remember that day the news broke. It was a huge shock. So at the very least Spencer didn't successfully manage those studios to keep at least some of them around. Nor did he crack the whip on remaining studios to improve their output. Nor did he successfully manage to get enough contracts with third parties to make up for the big gap. Spencer ultimately failed to provide the Xbox fanbase with a lot of great games and it will continue that way for a few years yet.

HOWEVER, I will say that if Spencer can pull this off, if he can manage to get Xbox's market share a little higher or at least keep it from shrinking (good for share holders) and get the brand to a point where it produces a lot of great games and the studios are well managed (good for gamers), I will change my stance on him overall. I will still maintain he failed early on but will acknowledge he persevered. Like I said, I have NOTHING against Xbox. It's just a brand and a tool. I'm just not thrilled with how the people in charge handled it and I remain skeptical that they'll do a good job delivering the goods. And Obsidian is by far their best studio. Change my mind :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
Others bring console games to PC years later, not only making people buy their hardware up front, but then charging them a second time to play on PC. And of course, all of our games are in our subscription service day one, full cross-platform included.”

He forgot to mention about massive price hike for games and no subscription service like gamepass.

Phil isn't true fanboy anymore.
 

Chukhopops

Member
If Phil can console war then so can I.

Phil can’t manage the studios he already owns so he he can do the only thing Microsoft can which is buy out more companies to make them as vapid, empty, and soulless as the other studios they own. They’ve released more consoles than they have games in the past 5 years and apparently are making a new one. It’s a parody, but a dangerous, industry destroying, monopolistic, unpopular parody. Fuck this company.

Again, if Phil can console war then so can we.
You can console war but you can’t make a truthful statement whereas Phil managed to do it.


Unless MS released 18 new Xbox models in the last five years of course?

We are getting close to ten pages of people saying BUT I WANT TO PAY MORE and it’s a bit sad, I guess paypigs gonna paypig but to be proud of it?
He forgot to mention about massive price hike for games and no subscription service like gamepass.

Phil isn't true fanboy anymore.
Lol this thread would be 20 pages long if he had said that, when even the mildest, factual and indirect criticism causes this response.
 

longdi

Banned
Phil da man. You tell 'em. OK, so I have my Steam purchases of Ori (1 or 2), so now how do I access these on my Xbox. Wait, I can access them right? Without you charging me again for them?

just do the 3 years Gamepass hack. You get so much more than Ori, and worth the effort imo

Here you go!

 

Spidey Fan

Banned
He became the boss of Xbox in 2014. Mattrick didn't even last 6 months after Xbox One released. Yes, Mattrick had lined a lot of things up prior to his departure that Spencer had to deal with. No doubt. But under Spencer, in fact two years after he took over, most of Xbox's first party was gutted. So either Spencer made the call himself or couldn't convince the ones who did to give him time to transform those teams into something his bosses would feel confident in. I remember that day the news broke. It was a huge shock. So at the very least Spencer didn't successfully manage those studios to keep at least some of them around. Nor did he crack the whip on remaining studios to improve their output. Nor did he successfully manage to get enough contracts with third parties to make up for the big gap. Spencer ultimately failed to provide the Xbox fanbase with a lot of great games and it will continue that way for a few years yet.

HOWEVER, I will say that if Spencer can pull this off, if he can manage to get Xbox's market share a little higher or at least keep it from shrinking (good for share holders) and get the brand to a point where it produces a lot of great games and the studios are well managed (good for gamers), I will change my stance on him overall. I will still maintain he failed early on but will acknowledge he persevered. Like I said, I have NOTHING against Xbox. It's just a brand and a tool. I'm just not thrilled with how the people in charge handled it and I remain skeptical that they'll do a good job delivering the goods. And Obsidian is by far their best studio. Change my mind :messenger_grinning_squinting:
1st, you don't understand business, which explains all your nonsense. Phil is and was a nobody at that time. Until satya promoted him in 2017. Meaning he had complete control of xbox at that time. before, he was an employee who had a boss. and couldnt do anything without them.

2nd, phill already done alot for xbox. he doesnt have to convince someone like you, who has thick skull, and doest understand anything. He gave xbox x1s, after the x1 disaster. He then gave them X1X.

3rd, xbox already made profit, and will have market share this gen. Sony wont have it, because nintendo are beating them. Nintendo exclusive sold 35m, while highest ps4 exclusive sold at 23m. This isn't last gen anymore. Both company have strong line up. Switch will have a new hardware, and more focus on family gaming. they sold 76-81m console, and managed to do 35m on mario kart, compared to ps4 116m with Spiderman at 23m. Xbox now has starfield, a highly anticipated game, both pc and xbox players waiting eagerly.

lastly, xbox has a great line up already. something which Phil delivered. You wont get it, because you think studios magically make games, which i tried to convince you many times.

3 DAYS left. and you will see all the handwork he made. Every E3, he gave xbox new studio, new future games. We have forza team working on Fable. We have new studio initiative working on perfect dark. SOC3 is on development. Obsidian is working on Avowed, and grounded. You had Ori 2 last year. He gave xbox players entire bethesda IP, and starfield is exclusive to xbox. Doom is exclusive to xbox. Fall out 5 is exclusive to xbox. TES6 is exclusive to xbox.

Even at that point, I doubt you will care. You already made up your mind, and it was useless of me to argue with you, because its hard to convince some who is already made his mind, and wont take anything else.
 

yurinka

Member
Yes Phil, they are too busy releasing tons of console games and counting millions. PC ports aren't a priority for them because their main business in on consoles.
 

njean777

Member
Sony and Apple should team up and have PS games stream to iPhones/iPads/Apple TV/Macbooks exclusively. It would be interesting to see that happen as both Apple and Sony are both somewhat similar. IDK just throwing shit out there.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Look. If I was Phil I would be upset too. TLOU2, Ghost Of Tsushima, Demon Souls, Spiderman Miles, Returnal, now Ratchet. All in the last 12 months back to back to back. GOTY contender after GOTY.

And Sony gives him fucking Days Gone...
 
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Varteras

Gold Member
1st, you don't understand business, which explains all your nonsense. Phil is and was a nobody at that time. Until satya promoted him in 2017. Meaning he had complete control of xbox at that time. before, he was an employee who had a boss. and couldnt do anything without them.

2nd, phill already done alot for xbox. he doesnt have to convince someone like you, who has thick skull, and doest understand anything. He gave xbox x1s, after the x1 disaster. He then gave them X1X.

3rd, xbox already made profit, and will have market share this gen. Sony wont have it, because nintendo are beating them. Nintendo exclusive sold 35m, while highest ps4 exclusive sold at 23m. This isn't last gen anymore. Both company have strong line up. Switch will have a new hardware, and more focus on family gaming. they sold 76-81m console, and managed to do 35m on mario kart, compared to ps4 116m with Spiderman at 23m. Xbox now has starfield, a highly anticipated game, both pc and xbox players waiting eagerly.

lastly, xbox has a great line up already. something which Phil delivered. You wont get it, because you think studios magically make games, which i tried to convince you many times.

3 DAYS left. and you will see all the handwork he made. Every E3, he gave xbox new studio, new future games. We have forza team working on Fable. We have new studio initiative working on perfect dark. SOC3 is on development. Obsidian is working on Avowed, and grounded. You had Ori 2 last year. He gave xbox players entire bethesda IP, and starfield is exclusive to xbox. Doom is exclusive to xbox. Fall out 5 is exclusive to xbox. TES6 is exclusive to xbox.

Even at that point, I doubt you will care. You already made up your mind, and it was useless of me to argue with you, because its hard to convince some who is already made his mind, and wont take anything else.
Lol Jesus Christ you're a waste of time. Tell Papa Phil I said hi when he kisses you goodnight.
 
The irony is Phil saying they don't charge twice for their games but we're still waiting to see any game worth buying even once.
On the other hand Sony could literally double the price of some of their games and they would still be worth buying. Actually, I'd prefer paying $120 for god of war, horizon and them being ps5 exclusive than pay their actual price and know they are crossgen.
But that's just me...
 
That's not what Spencer has said. That's a subjective statement. What Spencer said is an objective statement of fact that simply describes a feature that his platform has and others don't.

There's a large difference between that and criticism.
Why does he complain about people buying other games and consoles?
 

TwiztidElf

Member
Old games are better than the crap we have now days.
I hear this sentiment, along with "I'm not really enjoying gaming anymore" and "I'm not really playing games anymore" a lot in real life among people I know.
Every time it is an Xbox only owner. Every. Single. Time.
 

Nubulax

Member
He became the boss of Xbox in 2014. Mattrick didn't even last 6 months after Xbox One released. Yes, Mattrick had lined a lot of things up prior to his departure that Spencer had to deal with. No doubt. But under Spencer, in fact two years after he took over, most of Xbox's first party was gutted. So either Spencer made the call himself or couldn't convince the ones who did to give him time to transform those teams into something his bosses would feel confident in. I remember that day the news broke. It was a huge shock. So at the very least Spencer didn't successfully manage those studios to keep at least some of them around. Nor did he crack the whip on remaining studios to improve their output. Nor did he successfully manage to get enough contracts with third parties to make up for the big gap. Spencer ultimately failed to provide the Xbox fanbase with a lot of great games and it will continue that way for a few years yet.

HOWEVER, I will say that if Spencer can pull this off, if he can manage to get Xbox's market share a little higher or at least keep it from shrinking (good for share holders) and get the brand to a point where it produces a lot of great games and the studios are well managed (good for gamers), I will change my stance on him overall. I will still maintain he failed early on but will acknowledge he persevered. Like I said, I have NOTHING against Xbox. It's just a brand and a tool. I'm just not thrilled with how the people in charge handled it and I remain skeptical that they'll do a good job delivering the goods. And Obsidian is by far their best studio. Change my mind :messenger_grinning_squinting:

Why? Because Microsoft bailed him out by spending 8 BILLION dollars to get Zenimax? Can you imagine how horrible the next few years would be for game releases if they didnt just happen to have that HUGE ammount of money to buy out Zenimax laying around from the whole of Microsoft
 
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Why? Because Microsoft bailed him out by spending 8 BILLION dollars to get Zenimax? Can you imagine how horrible the next few years would be for game releases if they didnt just happen to have that HUGE ammount of money to buy out Zenimax laying around from the whole of Microsoft
If we're playing "what if" games, imagine if Sony hadn't bought Insomniac and they were busy doing something else. Insomniac is single handedly carrying the PS5 so far.
 
If we're playing "what if" games, imagine if Sony hadn't bought Insomniac and they were busy doing something else. Insomniac is single handedly carrying the PS5 so far.
Insomniac actually released a ton of great games recently so definitely an amazing purchase. Bethesda released nothing for next gen yet and funny enough their next game will still be PS5 and not on Xbox :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
This thread is where GAF sometimes shits me. Sony fans you can calm down or get Sony to act or double dip if that's your thing. It's a fact with MS first party you get both the PC and Console edition for one price. The same goes for Gamepass Ultimate, I get to install games on Xbox or PC and cloud save to just jump between them. The same goes for xCloud too, play and move around. If I was Phil I would have been riding this competitive advantage harder. He was nice and diplomatic about the facts, more than I can say for a lot of the replies here on GAF.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I mean he’s right but Phil. Launch a stream of good games across all these platforms first then swing your pants into the convo.
 

Optimus Lime

(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
Let me know how it goes, I've tried everything even down to adding the individual subfolders folders manually to the "scan location".

I'm now getting some new problem where when I try to launch a gamepass app it opens up the windows store Microsoft gaming services page. Honestly I give up on this crap.
Why aren't you just adding your Windows desktop as a Gamestream 'game', then streaming the whole thing?
 

Nubulax

Member
If we're playing "what if" games, imagine if Sony hadn't bought Insomniac and they were busy doing something else. Insomniac is single handedly carrying the PS5 so far.
200 MILLION for a Studio that had already made PS Exclusive games vs 8 BILLION...ok. The difference is Sony would still be in a similar position most likely.
 
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ReBurn

Gold Member
Sony made people rebuy emulated PS2 games on PS4 instead of just letting people play the disc copies they already had. Of course they're going to make you buy your games again on PC.
 
200 MILLION for a Studio that had already made PS Exclusive games vs 8 BILLION...ok.
Not sure what your point is. Zenimax came with a ton of very popular IPs, that's why it was expensive.
The difference is Sony would still be in a similar position most likely.
Nope. Without Insomniac, their line-up would be very lackluster. Miles seems to be the only game so far that sells well on PS5. We'll see how Ratchet does.
 

Kumomeme

Member
hope he talk less and focus more on his job

as i recall his competitor rarely take jab at him. they keep quiet but at same time they keep delivering games. he could learn a things or two.

also if he want to critisize that, he should do same to Rockstar and others company who employ similliar method.
 
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