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[Aenima]

Your tag plus your comments are just hilarious!

All I know is I bought Cuphead off the windows store and I had a copy on my Xbox too. This was true of Streets of Rage 4 as well and MS didn't even make that game. I paid once for each game. I don't see where Phil mentioned Sony at all and I didn't detect any lies. Nothing here to get upset about.

You buy games on Windows store? Damn, you are brave.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I know you lot don't like him.... But why are you Defending paying for the same games twice. Surely he's right in saying its great value to buy the game on your console and being able to get it on PC at no extra cost. I wish every publisher was able to offer this.

It makes sense for MS because they have their own storefront on both sides (I don't think that they given you the MCC collection on Steam if you buy it on the Windows store by example, even less if you get the Xbox version).

And why doesn't MS give me the gamepass games on PlayStation? At least temporarily? Or any game I buy on Steam? What a bunch of greedy bastards! I also want the games I bought on Xbox that are on the switch available there, on Microsoft's money! I'm entitled to it!


BTW, MS and Steam are the only ones that don't give games away for free these days, Sony does it (a bit), Epic and now Amazon all do why aren't MS stepping up to the plate?

 

[MacReady13]

I own a gaming PC, and an Xbox.. and a Playstation.. (Well really I have like 5 of each lol) my wife and I play games across all of them... and I own Days Gone on Playstation and PC.

*shrug*

Cool.

 

[DarkMage619]

Phil, please looks into the gamepass. It looks like the $9.99 only let you get games on console or PC. why should we pay more to get game on both console and PC?

And online, xCloud, and EA Play. Why would that cost more indeed.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Nope, Microsoft are. Who gets to keep most of the money from my purchase?

Valve has no way to actually unlock a game for free from another platform currently; giving away a Steam code is not that.. as it is sellable, and transferable.

Look I'd be ecstatic if MS games would get unlocked this way on Steam... would greatly prefer it over Windows Store.

It still makes cross-buy a really great value.. that doesn't exist on other platforms. Endlessly spamming this thread about Steam is ridiculous.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Cool.

I do agree it has limited utility. Most people wouldn't use it.

I would though lol... ironically, far more for Playstation than I do for Xbox games.

 

[Raonak]

Lol, Phil feeling nervous.

Please release some new xbox games before you do the barking.

 

[Krappadizzle]

If for some reason iTunes doesn't allow me to stream that music across my home network to my surround sound system but Amazon music does then yes I would.

If you can't work it out, I frequently use Steam link across my home network. Having all my games in my steam library is absolutely my preference.

So come on Phil, be the pro-consumer executive you like to portray and give us those free Steam codes for games we already own on the Windows store.

It's absolutely your preference, but they aren't forcing you to buy the game twice to play it on the platform. That's the whole point. You are choosing that.

I get it, I love Steam, got multiple thousands of games on it AND I too use in network home streaming for gaming, but my in network home streaming isn't intrinsically tied to a single store so I can stream ANY game to my TV if I want.

Xbox isn't the bad guy in your situation, your choice to use Steam exclusively is a problem you've created for yourself.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

You buy games on Windows store? Damn, you are brave.

No, he's retarded (sorry, I don't mean to insult those with mental issues of any sort by associating you with someone who buys games on the MS store).

I bought Forza Horizon 4 on the cheap with all the DLC a while back, I figured MS could not screw up this much... Oh boy was I wrong, the store could not figure in which order download the game and it's DLC, it was very slow, etc.

Anyway, never again!

 

[Kerotan]

Damn I was critical of Sony for going to PC but if Phil is this shook they must be on to something

Maybe Horizon outsold all of their recent PC games

Yeah Phil wants Sony to give away their entire catalogue for €1.

 

[Gamer79]

PayStation Fanboys are with a huge Margin the dumbest Human Beings in the Universe!!!

I'm absolutely speechless, so many dumb People alone in this Thread.

No wonder this Forum went downhill, every ass clown looks to be here on NeoGAF!!!

Unbelievable, and I don't want to be a part of this Forum anymore so it would be nice if a Mod could permanently ban my Account!!!

Thanks

 

[Killer8]

Microsoft need to hash out that deal to bring Game Pass to Steam before they can really say this with a straight face. No one with their head screwed on straight would pay to own a game on the Windows store.

 

[GHG]

Valve has no way to actually unlock a game for free from another platform currently; giving away a Steam code is not that.. as it is sellable, and transferable.

Look I'd be ecstatic if MS games would get unlocked this way on Steam... would greatly prefer it over Windows Store.

It still makes cross-buy a really great value.. that doesn't exist on other platforms. Endlessly spamming this thread about Steam is ridiculous.

Microsoft need to take ownership of the situation if they want owners of their games to also be able to access their games on Steam.

I play iracing through the iracing launcher but if I want I can go to my account and generate a steam code that will allow me to download and play it through Steam with my subscription and purchases intact. The way it verifies its still the person who requested the key is because you still need to sign in to the game with your original account once you boot it up via steam.

They can easily do this because their games on Steam still require you to sign in with a Windows account anyway. They just don't want to do it because ultimately it doesn't suit them.

 

[anthony2690]

Damn I was critical of Sony for going to PC but if Phil is this shook they must be on to something

Maybe Horizon outsold all of their recent PC games

If steamspy is accurate then both sea of thieves and halo mcc have both sold better than HZD (genuinely surprised how well both have done, considering they have been on game pass/windows 10 for years prior)
And forza horizon 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn are both in the 1-2 million range

Halo/Sot - 2-5 million range.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

And online, xCloud, and EA Play. Why would that cost more indeed.

It's all on PC, MS should give you a license on all these stores when you buy a game on Xbox or you get gamepass.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Kinda hard to take criticism seriously when it's from a guy about to catch another L.

 

[DarkMage619]

No, he's retarded (sorry, I don't mean to insult those with mental issues of any sort by associating you with someone who buys games on the MS store).

I bought Forza Horizon 4 on the cheap with all the DLC a while back, I figured MS could not screw up this much... Oh boy was I wrong, the store could not figure in which order download the game and it's DLC, it was very slow, etc.

Anyway, never again!

Everything worked fine. The biggest problem with the Windows store is the lack of consistency. My experience has been without issue so I have a seamless experience between the Windows store, my Xbox, and my game saves. Sucks if it doesn't work for you.

 

[GHG]

Xbox isn't the bad guy in your situation, your choice to use Steam exclusively is a problem you've created for yourself.

Hardly. Why don't they provide people with the functionality to stream games within their home from their PC? They allow it from their consoles so we know they can do it.

Instead they want to sell you a subscription to stream the very same games that you already own and can run natively from your PC but this time it's via the cloud.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Lol, Phil feeling nervous.

Please release some new xbox games before you do the barking.

The games are coming. Question is if the portfolio is diverse enough to appeal to a broad market.
If Xbox doesn't get this right this time, they never will.
Its time Xbox moves away from the dudebro shooter image.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Hardly. Why don't they provide people with the functionality to stream games within their home from their PC? They allow it from their consoles so we know they can do it.

Instead they want to sell you a subscription to stream the very same games that you already own and can run natively from your PC but this time it's via the cloud.

I can stream any game from my PC to my TV.

 

[Optimus Lime]

Reading through this thread gave me a brain tumour. The level of idiocy demonstrated by the new NeoGAF userbase is literally killing me.

 

[GHG]

I can stream any game from my PC to my TV.

Tell me how you can do it from the windows store without having to jump through hoops.

I'd actually like to know.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Microsoft need to take ownership of the situation if they want owners of their games to also be able to access their games on Steam.

I play iracing through the iracing launcher but if I want I can go to my account and generate a steam code that will allow me to download and play it through Steam with my subscription and purchases intact. The way it verifies its still the person who requested the key is because you still need to sign in to the game with your original account once you boot it up via steam.

They can easily do this because their games on Steam still require you to sign in with a Windows account anyway. They just don't want to do it because ultimately it doesn't suit them.

MS has never said that giving people access to games on Steam for free, with the purchase elsewhere, was some priority for them. You invented that idea...

And that's cool; so iRacing has DRM they built.... which MS could do.. and that'd be cool I guess; DRM always goes over so well for them lol.

But sure.. maybe they won't ever make games cross-buy on Steam... and they'd do that, because it doesn't suit them...

What exactly is your point? lol

 

[DarkMage619]

It's all on PC, MS should give you a license on all these stores when you buy a game on Xbox or you get gamepass.

When you have Game Pass Ultimate you can access the games on the Windows Store AND EA Play. This is on top of EA Play and Game Pass on console. Not sure what you are asking for.

 

[GHG]

MS has never said that giving people access to games on Steam for free, with the purchase elsewhere, was some priority for them. You invented that idea...

And that's cool; so iRacing has DRM they built.... which MS could do.. and that'd be cool I guess; DRM always goes over so well for them lol

They already have the DRM in place, it's called your Microsoft account. The very same account it requests you link the first time you fire up a gamepass game on your PC. Once that's verified they can leave you alone.

I know they never said you would, that's not the issue. The issue is them behaving like they are suddenly the white knights of the industry when there are flaws in their very own system.

It's a do as I say, not as I do situation.

 

[oagboghi2]

That is much better than spending 70$ per game, plus 60$ a year for ps+ just to play first party games.

Ratchet, demon soul, + 60 ps+ is already 200$. While xbox players get gamepass ultimate for 180$ a year, with all 1st party day 1, other day 1 games. Other gamepass games. Can play on pc. And on their phone.

One party managed to get 2 games and year ps+, while the other party got huge library of games and Xbox live 1 year for 180$.

Which has better value for consumers, tell me?

PlayStation, because they have games I actually want to play.

 

[IntentionalPun]

They already have the DRM in place, it's called your Microsoft account. The very same account it requests you link the first time you fire up a gamepass game on your PC. Once that's verified they can leave you alone.

I know they never said you would, that's not the issue. The issue is them behaving like they are suddenly the white knights of the industry when there are flaws in their very own system.

It's a do as I say, not as I do situation.

They are doing something their competitor isn't doing... that's all they said, and it's absolutely true.

Why in the world does MS saying stuff like that trigger so many people here so much? Where did they say they are the white knights? They have a nice offering.. so they talk about it.

So maybe unlocking games for free on Steam isn't in their interests... OK? They still give you a free PC copy with an Xbox purchase of their games if you buy them digitally.. it's.. more than what you get on the competitor.

 

[Zeroing]

All I know is I bought Cuphead off the windows store

 

[PropellerEar]

Nice with the old narrative games. Just say you don't give a shit about gamepas, instead of talking crap about it.

I am proud to be a gamepass cuck, since I get more value with my money. Insstead of having to spend 70$. And old games is better than spending too much money.

PS Now 60$ year, think about it, apply your own logic from above.

You live in a fantasy land.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Tell me how you can do it from the windows store without having to jump through hoops.

I'd actually like to know.

Not done via the windows store, but it works well. I can stream any game from my PC if I so choose. I also don't shit on Origins or Epic because I can't natively stream their games from their client either. But I choose to be reasonable though so your results may vary. I get it, you have a Steam link(I have one too) but Steam link only works for games on Steam. Even then, it's not a perfect solution, I had to add A Way Out manually even though it's purchased on Steam because streaming it requires Origins to be used. Just buy a Nvidia Shield TV Pro a save yourself all the heartache man.

 

[oagboghi2]

They are doing something their competitor isn't doing... that's all they said, and it's absolutely true.

Why in the world does MS saying stuff like that trigger so many people here so much? Where did they say they are the white knights? They have a nice offering.. so they talk about it.

So maybe unlocking games for free on Steam isn't in their interests... OK? They still give you a free PC copy with an Xbox purchase of their games if you buy them digitally.. it's.. more than what you get on the competitor.

Because they are making up a bullshit scenario that doesn’t apply to 99% of consumers?

Who are these people who are forced to buy a console, and then forced to buy it again on PC?

Phil is making up a problem, and then pretending as if MS invented some unique solution. It’s total marketing bullshit.

Hey here you are, spending 5 pages chucking and jiving for this dude. We get it. No one is calling Phil a liar. People are pointing out, repeatedly, that he is a bit full of himself here

 

[GHG]

They are doing something their competitor isn't doing... that's all they said, and it's absolutely true.

Why in the world does MS saying stuff like that trigger so many people here so much? Where did they say they are the white knights? They have a nice offering.. so they talk about it.

So maybe unlocking games for free on Steam isn't in their interests... OK? They still give you a free PC copy with an Xbox purchase of their games if you buy them digitally.. it's.. more than what you get on the competitor.

I don't give a shit about Xbox consoles. When I've purchased games from them in recent times it's been for PC.

Which is very much my point in all of this - it should be easier for them in this instance because I'm asking for my license for the same system to be transferred to a different launcher. If they want to behave like they are giving their customers freedom then I shouldn't have to "buy twice" to have the same game in two different places on the same system. For example when they launched Forza Horizon 4 on Steam at a later date there should have been a "transfer license" option for those who want it to prevent people from buying twice (look at the steam reviews, you will find plenty of people talking about this).

Basically they are all about choice when it suits them as long as it's within the walls of their own ecosystem. It's understandable but then they should also realise literally every single other company doesn't have an ecosystem that spans multiple systems in the way that they do. Sony don't, Nintendo don't and neither do any of the publishers that sell multiplatform games.

Not done via the windows store, but it works well. I can stream any game from my PC if I so choose. I also don't shit on Origins or Epic because I can't natively stream their games from their client either. But I choose to be reasonable though so your results may vary. I get it, you have a Steam link(I have one too) but Steam link only works for games on Steam. Even then, it's not a perfect solution, I had to add A Way Out manually even though it's purchased on Steam because streaming it requires Origins to be used.

Try it using a Windows store game. I have both a steam link and a Shield TV.

You can do it with epic store games, origin games, ubisoft games but not with Windows store games.

 

[abel empire]

Xbox’s Phil Spencer criticises PlayStation’s PC strategy for being ‘late’ and ‘charging twice’ | VGC

Exec says Xbox is “the only platform shipping games on console, PC and cloud simultaneously”…

www.videogameschronicle.com

"Xbox boss Phil Spencer has criticised PlayStation’s PC release strategy in a rare dig at the rival platform holder.

Speaking during a briefing for media and analysts this week, the exec criticised “others” who bring console games to PC, stating that they were releasing PC versions “years later” and “charging [players] a second time”.

For several years Microsoft has released its Xbox Games Studios titles simultaneously on PC and console platforms.

In comparison, Sony released its first PC port, Horizon Zero Dawn, in 2020 – over three years after the game’s PS4 debut – and the company has said it will prioritise consoles for its game releases going forwards.

“So right now, we are the only platform shipping games on console, PC and cloud simultaneously,” Spencer said in a video presentation.

Others bring console games to PC years later, not only making people buy their hardware up front, but then charging them a second time to play on PC. And of course, all of our games are in our subscription service day one, full cross-platform included.”

All he always do is talk talk talk but no games to make, like who the hell would buy his games twice anyway even if he charged consumers twice, he should make block busters like sony and then discuss about charging twice not talk talk talk.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Because they are making up a bullshit scenario that doesn’t apply to 99% of consumers?

Who are these people who are forced to buy a console, and then forced to buy it again on PC?

Phil is making up a problem, and then pretending as if MS invented some unique solution. It’s total marketing bullshit.

Hey here you are, spending 5 pages chucking and jiving for this dude. We get it

I don't give 2 shits about Phil Spencer.. I find this forum rather hilarious though lol

And would love Playstation games unlocked on PC for free.. no matter the launcher. I'd use it far more than cross-buy on Xbox, well really my GamePass Ultimate sub I've used to download one game that I deleted an hour later lol

 

[IntentionalPun]

Basically they are all about choice when it suits them as long as it's within the walls of their own ecosystem. It's understandable but then they should also realise literally every single other company doesn't have an ecosystem that spans multiple systems in the way that they do. Sony don't, Nintendo don't and neither do any of the publishers that sell multiplatform games.

So it's.. understandable.. and then, they are supposed to realize that other companies do not offer this advantage, and I guess, never mention it?

I'm pretty sure they do realize that, and in fact, that's the point of their cheesy CEO pointing this out in a fluffy marketing conference.

I'll continue to find him cheesy, but not act weirdly defensive or angry about it. You guys act like I'm defending Phil.. when this entire thread is nothing but a huge defense for Sony.. meanwhile I'm just over here saying "if Sony has a better offering, I expect them to talk about it too"

 

[GHG]

I don't give 2 shits about Phil Spencer.. I find this forum rather hilarious though lol

And would love Playstation games unlocked on PC for free.. no matter the launcher. I'd use it far more than cross-buy on Xbox, well really my GamePass Ultimate sub I've used to download one game that I deleted an hour later lol

If Sony were to do something like that they would have to make their own PC launcher.

If recent new launchers are anything to go by, trust me, none of us would want it. Hell, even if you think about their Walkman software back in the day... *shudders*

So it's.. understandable.. and then, they are supposed to realize that other companies do not offer this advantage, and I guess, never mention it?

I'm pretty sure they do realize that, and in fact, that's the point of their cheesy CEO pointing this out in a fluffy marketing conference.

I'll continue to find him cheesy, but not act weirdly defensive or angry about it. You guys act like I'm defending Phil.. when this entire thread is nothing but a huge defense for Sony.. meanwhile I'm just over here saying "if Sony has a better offering, I expect them to talk about it too"

I'll just say this, typically when a company have something good to announce or talk about they should be able to do so without referencing the "competition".

If you have something worthwhile it should be able to stand on it's own feet and speak for itself. There's a subtle way of referencing the competition and there's the direct way. He always opts for the direct way and it's nonsensical considering the position he's put Xbox in.

 

[Excess]

Thanks for doing the dirty work for us PC people, Phil. We'll gladly take Sony's exclusives day one on PC.

 

[M16]

Haha fuck off Phil.

I'll gladly buy shit twice if it's good enough to buy twice.

How about you focus on giving us a few things that are at least worth buying once?

Also where are my Steam copies of Forza Horizon 4 and Gears?

Will defend buying the same game twice because he loves a certain box of plastic. Lol pathetic

 

[IntentionalPun]

If Sony were to do something like that they would have to make their own PC launcher.

If recent new launchers are anything to go by, trust me, none of us would want it. Hell, even if you think about their Walkman software back in the day... *shudders*

Why would I hate to have the option to use a launcher, if it literally gave me a copy of a game for free, if I already own it on Playstation?

Meanwhile they could keep charging on Steam.. and I'd have the option to pay for that game twice..

That would match MS's offering.. which gives me a choice I don't have elsewhere. Unfortunately for me, this choice involves games I care less about than Sonys.

 

[GHG]

Will defend buying the same game twice because he loves the games on a certain box of plastic. Lol pathetic

Fixed.

I own certain Microsoft games twice, does that mean I love their plastic too?

 

[Krappadizzle]

Try it using a Windows store game. I have both a steam link and a Shield TV.

You can do it with epic store games, origin games, ubisoft games but not with Windows store games.

I literally just installed Deep Rock Galactic to test this for you, game bought on the Windows store, installed via Xbox app on PC and tested and played just fine. Streamed perfectly to my TV. What problem are you having?

 

[GHG]

Why would I hate to have the option to use a launcher, if it literally gave me a copy of a game for free, if I already own it on Playstation?

Meanwhile they could keep charging on Steam.. and I'd have the option to pay for that game twice..

That would match MS's offering.. which gives me a choice I don't have elsewhere. Unfortunately for me, this choice involves games I care less about than Sonys.

If you're launcher agnostic and don't give a shit about anything other than "does the game play" then I respect that and to be honest I'm slightly envious.

Unfortunately some of us are a bit more fussy than that.

 

[DrAspirino]

What?

What a stupid thing to say. If I buy a Xbox game, I don't get the PC version automatically.

But it should be. It's like when you buy a CD: you buy the license to play that music on whatever equipment you have in your home or car. If you have an iPod or use your cellphone to listen to music, then you can also put that music there because you own that license to that content, REGARDLESS OF THE PLATFORM.

Is that such a hard concept to get? How come some of you people can even defend being charged TWICE for the same content?

 

[IntentionalPun]

If you're launcher agnostic and don't give a shit about anything other than "does the game play" then I respect that and to be honest I'm slightly envious.

Unfortunately some of us are a bit more fussy than that.

I'm really not; I vastly prefer Steam.. to the point where despite having a Gamepass Ultimate sub, I've debated buying the Halo Collection on Steam lol And like I said.. I'd be thrilled with an unlock of their games on Steam. Hell it might happen, if Valve ever introduces any sort of account linking, which has been rumored.

I still like having the option of Windows Store.. and would like the option of Sony Store if it:

- Gave me more Sony games on PC (as realistically this would be a big motivator)
- Gave me games I already own digitally on Playstation for "free"

I'll probably use GPU more once Bethesda starts releasing more games through MS. I haven't actually had any issues with MS store.. just prefer Steam, by a wide margin.

 

[Alphagear]

Rather buy twice than nothing.

Embarrassing coming from him considering they can't even get a single game released worthy of purchase.

 

[GHG]

I literally just installed Deep Rock Galactic to test this for you, game bought on the Windows store, installed via Xbox app on PC and tested and played just fine. Streamed perfectly to my TV. What problem are you having?

Never been able to get windows store games to appear on the gamestream list. I'll show you when I'm back at my PC.

Is deep rock galactic a UWP game or standard exe? Try it with one of their first party games like forza horizon or gears tactics and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Brofist]

The games are coming. Question is if the portfolio is diverse enough to appeal to a broad market.
If Xbox doesn't get this right this time, they never will.
Its time Xbox moves away from the dudebro shooter image.

You know, I'm gonna actually say I think it's the exact opposite. They lost a lot of the dudebro shooter gamers to Sony and they should have doubled down on them.

I remember when the Xbox 360/PS3 gen started. I was pretty much a Sony guy as far as consoles (was still mostly PC gaming). I bought a PS3, and almost everyone I knew bought a 360. I remember back then there was a period of time when you'd literally be labelled a little bitch if you bought a Sony system for a while.

 

[93xfan]

It's a sign of desperation when you start firing shots at your competitors.

Maybe he should focus his attention on releasing a single half decent exclusive for the XsX.

Look at your icon. Who is desperate again?

 

[Krappadizzle]

Never been able to get windows store games to appear on the gamestream list. I'll show you when I'm back at my PC.

Is deep rock galactic a UWP game or standard exe? Try it with one of their first party games like forza horizon or gears tactics and you'll see what I mean.

Not sure if it's UWP or not. I know it's a different version of the game from what's on Steam as DRG on Steam can't play cross-plat with Xbox and I picked up DRG to play with my Pops on his Xbone. I'll install Forza and see how that goes I guess just to see if I can give ya a hand. I'd be surprised though if I can't stream it, I've yet to have a game I can't do it with.

edit:

Preliminary googling seems to indicate that DRG from windows store IS a UWP game. How are you adding games to your shield for Gamestream GHG ? I'll download Forza tonight and test it tomorrow, but all you gotta do is just add the shortcut of the game to the shield, so I essentially added the DRG shortcut that was on my desktop and the shield did the rest.

 

[odhiex]

A cringe quote from Phil, because it is very an obvious strategy (and old news) coming from Microsoft. For me, this is a marketing talk that you should not be invested too much into it.