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Hermen Hulst - "We value PC gamers, and will continue to look at the right times to launch EACH game [on PC]."

FrankWza

Member
Is this some sort of 1st reply on youtube but with gaming? Nah nah nah nah, i played the game first.
How can it be a first reply if I was replying to 2 other posts that quoted me or mentioned me? Available on x AND y for EVERY game is a lot different than available exclusively on z with a port years later on some titles.
 

Vick

Gold Member
I really can't follow your logic, it seems to be a bit all over the place. Every company cares about money. By your logic, if you draw a paycheck, you are a whore. *shrug*
No, when you put money above all you are one.
For the pleasure of many here, PlayStation users are being treated like peasants at the moment. All money and time that goes into PC ports could have been spent on upgrading titles for their own system or new titles altogether. PS5 exclusives could have been made from the ground up only and specifically to run on PS5 architecture alone, and even if PS5 is not a PS3 it's still a custom, closed system and that's enough to translate into something you would be able to see, for the ultimate benefit of the game.
PS Studio games will be better always and anyway on PC, it will undoubtedly be the best place to play them so where are my incentives to buy a console? Why would i ever subscribe to PS+?

I can only be happy about having the chance to download mods for say Uncharted or God of War, to fix bugs or little issues, run everything at high framerates without having to beg the software house.. the potential is infinite on PC.
Not to mention finally be able to discuss games without the constant downplaying from people who didn't get the chance to play them. By the time i can finally upgrade my PC i will literally be over the moon about this.

But i totally understand people feeling let down now.
People always said corporations only care about money and don't give a shit about you but, honestly, that statement always felt off in regards to PlayStation because it was not what Hirai or Yoshida made their customers feel in the slightest.
This new Ryan/Hulst PlayStation really is a corporation to the core, and totally fits this description.
 

mckmas8808

Banned
He's pissed and right he should be, Jim Ryan has been lying through his teeth for the past year or so. The guy couldn't lead a horse to water let alone the PS division.

But he's literally leading PlayStation into their biggest profits of all time! Guys..............calm down and smoke a blunt or something. Some of yall are at the point where you're cutting your wrist even though you're getting a million dollars a month and a different woman to have sex with every night.
 

sainraja

Member
I know its a safe bet, because its the truth, or at least what i think will happen, no one can say 100% until it happens.
I do love this cute idea that this is all some ingenious ploy by Sony to get PC gamers ready for a sequel that they will need to buy a PS5 for, even though they just launched Days Gone that isnt eevn getting a sequel. And HFW will be on PC, i have zero doubt about it.
Everyone here is speculating, including you. Your idea is just as cute as anyone else's! 😀 I guess the key difference is, you are saying Sony will release games on the PC in the future day and date. There is no reason to think anything is certain.

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Missed this earlier, but if you just look at the quote in the topic title by Herman. They will be looking at the right time to launch games on PC. But yeah, Sony will be releasing games on the PC, that much is true. I personally don't think it will be at launch but I'd welcome it (as long as it is on GOG.com too.)
 
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Sleepwalker

Gold Member
I sometimes buy games on release and don't play them until a year has gone by or more (looking at you resident evil 2 remake, death stranding, final fantasy VIIR and AC Oddyssey).

If they start bringing all PS exclusives to PC even if its after a year or 2 I will just sell my PS5 and use my PC.

Hell I bought Demon's Souls remake at launch and its staring at me right now from the shelf, still sealed.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Seeing people triggered over this is a great after meal

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It is because nothing notable happened.
Sony in no way said the PS5 exclusives they make are coming to PC any time soon.

Going by what they actually been doing expect the usual slow(milkage) aka PS4 hand me downs.

Nothing to see here folks.

Now give us Bloodborne!
 
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Krappadizzle

Gold Member
When I clicked this thread I did not imagine to see the amount of hate the topic would get. Holy shit, the rabid Sony fans are complete idiots. That being said, if I get Bloodborne on PC I'll suck Jim or Hermens fat dick.
comedy central adam demamp GIF by Workaholics

Think I'll stop my plus sub too.

I'm not buying games at launch prices anymore either.

I fthis continues, I'll move to PC or Nintendo fully.
one of us GIF
 
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93xfan

Banned
You are only looking at it from your point of view... many people bought PS5's with the impression that they would gen next gen only titles and real exclusives.

With the two PS5's, games and peripherals etc, as well as the OLED I bought specifically for these games, I could have gotten a rig with a 3080 like my brother.....

If they want to put their games on PC, fine.... just shut down all the playstation production and stop lying to people and using these bait and switch tactics.

PC has way more exclusives if that’s what you’re into.

If you want a more up front company for a console, maybe go Xbox.

Non PC exclusives for a console- Switch.

Me personally, I want a quality ecosystem, good user experience where I don’t have to troubleshoot, and the ability to play shooters in a controller vs controller environment with minimal to no cheating.
 

ACESHIGH

Banned
This is why we will be getting AAAA 1st party cross gen ps4 games in 2022+.

It’s all about making these things work on the massive hard disc install base out there, last gen console and pc.

Cock suckers.


What the heck... PC gamers had to endure games being made for old 7th gen consoles through most of the 00's and early 10's and then games made for ultrabook CPUs and 5400rpm HDDs. I get that SSD they are all the rage on consoles now, but they have been a thing on PC for a decade.

What do exactly console gamers want from these new machines? To this day I haven't seen anyone explain to me what type of games NEED a 9th gen console to run, and what new things would these next gen games bring to the table from a gameplay standpoint other than instant loading times and higher resolutions and framerates.

Let me tell you how this generation is going to be:

90% of devs will keep making 2D metroidvania, first person horror games and survival games. Because they have a BUDGET constrain, not a specs one.

Sony, now more western than ever, will keep releasing Ubisoftian open world games with a new coat of paint. Cutscene heavy third person shooters and the odd japanese game.

AAA studios will keep pushing for GaaS and release the umpteenth game on their tired old franchises. And all that HW power will be used for higher resolutions and framerates with the odd ray tracing effect added on top. Each game will cost more and more so they won't be able to take risks and innovate.

You won't get a Mario 64 moment from these new machines, unless PSVR2 is a massive success.
 
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Kokoloko85

Member
Nothing has changed?!?!

Did you not see the megaton Bryank76 dropped?!

Playstation Games will still take years to come to PC and it probably won’t be all of them.

So its not different to now. Horizon and Days gone are like Free on Playstation, so its a good time to be on PC

I dont see TLOU, Resogun, Uncharted, infamous, Gran Turismo and so many more on PC yet. Let alone PS5 games, its gonna take awhile. They will spread it and make some extra money. Day 1 releases from World Wide Studio games arent happening.

I already have a Switch, best of both worlds lol

Cross gen news is way worse
 
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Shmunter

Member
What the heck... PC gamers had to endure games being made for old 7th gen consoles through most of the 00's and early 10's and then games made for ultrabook CPUs and 5400rpm HDDs. I get that SSD they are all the rage on consoles now, but they have been a thing on PC for a decade.

What do exactly console gamers want from these new machines? To this day I haven't seen anyone explain to me what type of games NEED a 9th gen console to run, and what new things would these next gen games bring to the table from a gameplay standpoint other than instant loading times and higher resolutions and framerates.

Let me tell you how this generation is going to be:

90% of devs will keep making 2D metroidvania, first person horror games and survival games. Because they have a BUDGET constrain, not a specs one.

Sony, now more western than ever, will keep releasing Ubisoftian open world games with a new coat of paint. Cutscene heavy third person shooters and the odd japanese game.

AAA studios will keep pushing for GaaS and release the umpteenth game on their tired old franchises. And all that HW power will be used for higher resolutions and framerates with the odd ray tracing effect added on top. Each game will cost more and more so they won't be able to take risks and innovate.

You won't get a Mario 64 moment from these new machines, unless PSVR2 is a massive success.
Pc gamers will still be enduring it with games made to work on PS4. A baseline is a baseline.

Beyond that, ambitions games that are designed around last gen limitations require more engineering effort to solve issues around limitations that are not part of the equation on next gen. A next gen game in theory tilts the balance of effort in game creation from engineering to asset and art.

This was the promise by Sony. But that is pretty much a dead end for the foreseeable few years.
 
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Haggard

Banned
This is why we will be getting AAAA 1st party cross gen ps4 games in 2022+.

It’s all about making these things work on the massive hard disc install base out there, last gen console and pc.
As if gaming rigs intended to play anything A-AAA would use platters.
It's not 2014....
 

Chakan

Member
"We value PC gamers, and will continue to look at the right times to launch each game."

It doesn't mean that every single game will be released afterwards on PC, only that they'll evaluate the situation of each one, to see what they'll do.

Honestly, I don't mind. I'll keep playing their games on PS first as my PC is used mainly for indie games now.
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
So do i Herman 🤭
PC ftw, Steam + Gamepass.
21:9 144hz.
money bet, PS games will get ported to PC faster and faster as we go.
I dont mind waiting a year for bug fixed deluxe versions.
you are forgetting that a high end PC cost a few times more than a PS5, scalper price or not.
PC gaming is not that good as people says, its only good if you are willing to spend alot, which alot of people unable to.

Theres a reason why I game on PC even I have a 3700x 2070s gaming PC, i just feel more comfortable with the simplicity of a console, its a headache when something doesnt work right on PC.
 
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Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Objectively, they are porting a title a year (if that) at this point, so at this current rate PC will have the entire PS4 catalogue in about 20 years.

Oh noes!
 

longdi

Banned
you are forgetting that a high end PC cost a few times more than a PS5, scalper price or not.
PC gaming is not that good as people says, its only good if you are willing to spend alot, which alot of people unable to.

Theres a reason why I game on PC even I have a 3700x 2070s gaming PC, i just feel more comfortable with the simplicity of a console, its a headache when something doesnt work right on PC.

not doubt this true.

but since almost everyone needs a PC, may as well use the 'console+subs' monies, and make our PC a gaming one.

With the likes of Steam sales and Gamepass, getting a PC seems the best of both world. It also save some counter space. 🤭
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
not doubt this true.

but since almost everyone needs a PC, may as well use the 'console+subs' monies, and make our PC a gaming one.

With the likes of Steam sales and Gamepass, getting a PC seems the best of both world. It also save some counter space. 🤭
Still does not simplify things for me in some areas.
Certain games does not even work for me (Fallout 4 crashed every single time I start or load the game, on my new PC), i still unable figure out to this day. I can't play the game at all.
The problem about PC gaming is that, it has too many different brands of CPU, motherboards, GPU etc, if any game doesnt work on your PC but it works on others, its going to be a headache, I HATE TROUBLESHOOTS.

Furthermore alt tab doesn't work for certain games on PC, its really annoying.
That is why I placed my console beside my PC and my PC just for survival / strategy games, so I can roll my chair left and right to do both things at the same time.
 

kyliethicc

Member
No, when you put money above all you are one.
For the pleasure of many here, PlayStation users are being treated like peasants at the moment. All money and time that goes into PC ports could have been spent on upgrading titles for their own system or new titles altogether. PS5 exclusives could have been made from the ground up only and specifically to run on PS5 architecture alone, and even if PS5 is not a PS3 it's still a custom, closed system and that's enough to translate into something you would be able to see, for the ultimate benefit of the game.
PS Studio games will be better always and anyway on PC, it will undoubtedly be the best place to play them so where are my incentives to buy a console? Why would i ever subscribe to PS+?

I can only be happy about having the chance to download mods for say Uncharted or God of War, to fix bugs or little issues, run everything at high framerates without having to beg the software house.. the potential is infinite on PC.
Not to mention finally be able to discuss games without the constant downplaying from people who didn't get the chance to play them. By the time i can finally upgrade my PC i will literally be over the moon about this.

But i totally understand people feeling let down now.
People always said corporations only care about money and don't give a shit about you but, honestly, that statement always felt off in regards to PlayStation because it was not what Hirai or Yoshida made their customers feel in the slightest.
This new Ryan/Hulst PlayStation really is a corporation to the core, and totally fits this description.
No corporation cares about anyone or anything ... except money.

Don't let anyone (or any corp) fool you. Its all about the money.
 

demonstr8

Member
The executives making the decisions at Sony Interactive Entertainment have definitely lost the vision that made PlayStation as great as it was the last 4 generations. This branch of Sony has been usurped by profiteers.

They project that the profits gained from releasing their next 3 flagship games of HZD Forbidden West, GoW Ragnarok and GT7 will not be enough so they will also release them on PS4 devaluing the PS5 console by decreasing the amount of exclusive software it has by 3 titles and also prohibiting these same games from fully utilizing the PS5's capabilities because the developers must cater to the lowest common denominator.
When they said they "believe in generations" it was evidently a lie.

SIE wants to convince you to buy a PS5 primarily because of it's exclusive software while simultaneously putting said exclusive software on the PC platform... which makes said software no longer exclusive. These actions are antithetical to one another as one cancels out the other.
SIE have gone from saying that PlayStation is "the best place to play" to now saying "the best place to play at launch". Just stop and think about how pathetic that must sound for a consumer to consider as a value proposition.

SIE have also said that putting games only on PS5 when people own a PS4 is "frankly not very good business". Keep in mind that this is a message being sent to consumers - they are saying "Why did I buy a PS5 if the biggest franchises will continue to be on PS4 anyway?" and SIE's amounts "we need to milk our last userbase a little more at the expense of short to medium term value to our most dedicated userbase". Keep in mind SIE has never had it's first party studios work on cross generation games during a generation transition. They at most allowed games started on the console before to either release on that last console before moving onto the new one entirely (God of War 2) or moved it to the new console entirely (ICO) so how consumers will react to PlayStations half hearted attempt to provide exclusive PS5 software to drive sales will remain to be seen.

Consider for a moment the possibility that PlayStation users come to understand this strategy at an accelerated rate. They spend money on a PC instead of PS5 and wait out the 2 or 3 years for the games to come to PC instead of buying it on PS5. PlayStation Plus subscriptions? Massively reduced or gone. Profits down. 1st party software sales? Revenue and therefore profit massively reduced due to much smaller cut. Possible PS5 users who are now instead PC users pirating all of SIE's software instead of buying it? Another massive revenue and profit drop for Sony. Keep in mind I am giving you an entirely possible theoretical situation which could happen even if it takes place over a long period of time.

Based on the majority of posts being negative reactions to this news and the fact we are on the official PSBlog where the absolute most fanatic PSFans could be and only a small number of PC gamers would probably bother to show up and praise SIE for this strategy (which is fine by the way as they're free to do so) I don't think this is the right direction for SIE to be going. You don't fix what ain't broke. SIE didn't make it as big and as popular as they are by putting games on PC and producing cross gen games.

I am trying to give a objective look at their strategy without injecting my pointless opinion into it (apart from one or two comments) but where do I stand on this? I haven't consciously thought about it despite buying and playing a lot of their games. However I don't have a PS5 - I can't buy one if I wanted to - and I have let my PS+ subscription lapse for the first time in a while and I don't plan to renew it any time soon. Most strikingly for myself I am actually considering just holding out on buying a PS5 and seeing how this plays out in the short to medium term, waiting to see how long it takes for their newest games to hit the PC, simply because I can't trust what they are advertising to me anymore and SIE have done this all on their own - I would have never considered this 5, 10, etc years ago.

Anyway the strategy is illogical because they are trying to pursue two different consumer bases at the same time by trying to make a quick buck by exploring a new business venture but greatly devaluing the proposition to their most loyal fanbase at the same time whom are the ones that got them where they are in the first place, that is textbook - yes I'm going to say it - arrogance.
 

Kenpachii

Member
Already told people at the start of this gen, that sony has no other way then to release games on PC. If they won't devs will most likely walk away from the company. Making games for a single console is probably not even remotely financial viable anymore. This is also why they upped the price of there games, because they simple need more money to keep the investments interesting.

The more expensive the games become to make which they will ( i won't be suprised if naughty dogs next game is going to straight up have movie budgets or past it ) the more markets will be digged up.

Sony is a victim of there own success.

I will not be surprised if sony will also move into the mobile space sooner rather then later.

People that are against this are simple living in a delusional bubble or straight up living in the past. Times change.
 
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I feel all PS5 remasters should be ported to PC.
Example. A Resistance: Fall of Man remaster. Demon Souls.
And all multiplayer games should be ported to PC.
Example. Destruction All-Stars.
Games that really need to be multiplatform
Example. Dreams.
PS Classics
Example. Jak and Daxter
 

Krappadizzle

Gold Member
The executives making the decisions at Sony Interactive Entertainment have definitely lost the vision that made PlayStation as great as it was the last 4 generations. This branch of Sony has been usurped by profiteers.

They project that the profits gained from releasing their next 3 flagship games of HZD Forbidden West, GoW Ragnarok and GT7 will not be enough so they will also release them on PS4 devaluing the PS5 console by decreasing the amount of exclusive software it has by 3 titles and also prohibiting these same games from fully utilizing the PS5's capabilities because the developers must cater to the lowest common denominator.
When they said they "believe in generations" it was evidently a lie.

SIE wants to convince you to buy a PS5 primarily because of it's exclusive software while simultaneously putting said exclusive software on the PC platform... which makes said software no longer exclusive. These actions are antithetical to one another as one cancels out the other.
SIE have gone from saying that PlayStation is "the best place to play" to now saying "the best place to play at launch". Just stop and think about how pathetic that must sound for a consumer to consider as a value proposition.

SIE have also said that putting games only on PS5 when people own a PS4 is "frankly not very good business". Keep in mind that this is a message being sent to consumers - they are saying "Why did I buy a PS5 if the biggest franchises will continue to be on PS4 anyway?" and SIE's amounts "we need to milk our last userbase a little more at the expense of short to medium term value to our most dedicated userbase". Keep in mind SIE has never had it's first party studios work on cross generation games during a generation transition. They at most allowed games started on the console before to either release on that last console before moving onto the new one entirely (God of War 2) or moved it to the new console entirely (ICO) so how consumers will react to PlayStations half hearted attempt to provide exclusive PS5 software to drive sales will remain to be seen.

Consider for a moment the possibility that PlayStation users come to understand this strategy at an accelerated rate. They spend money on a PC instead of PS5 and wait out the 2 or 3 years for the games to come to PC instead of buying it on PS5. PlayStation Plus subscriptions? Massively reduced or gone. Profits down. 1st party software sales? Revenue and therefore profit massively reduced due to much smaller cut. Possible PS5 users who are now instead PC users pirating all of SIE's software instead of buying it? Another massive revenue and profit drop for Sony. Keep in mind I am giving you an entirely possible theoretical situation which could happen even if it takes place over a long period of time.

Based on the majority of posts being negative reactions to this news and the fact we are on the official PSBlog where the absolute most fanatic PSFans could be and only a small number of PC gamers would probably bother to show up and praise SIE for this strategy (which is fine by the way as they're free to do so) I don't think this is the right direction for SIE to be going. You don't fix what ain't broke. SIE didn't make it as big and as popular as they are by putting games on PC and producing cross gen games.

I am trying to give a objective look at their strategy without injecting my pointless opinion into it (apart from one or two comments) but where do I stand on this? I haven't consciously thought about it despite buying and playing a lot of their games. However I don't have a PS5 - I can't buy one if I wanted to - and I have let my PS+ subscription lapse for the first time in a while and I don't plan to renew it any time soon. Most strikingly for myself I am actually considering just holding out on buying a PS5 and seeing how this plays out in the short to medium term, waiting to see how long it takes for their newest games to hit the PC, simply because I can't trust what they are advertising to me anymore and SIE have done this all on their own - I would have never considered this 5, 10, etc years ago.

Anyway the strategy is illogical because they are trying to pursue two different consumer bases at the same time by trying to make a quick buck by exploring a new business venture but greatly devaluing the proposition to their most loyal fanbase at the same time whom are the ones that got them where they are in the first place, that is textbook - yes I'm going to say it - arrogance.
The strategy is more than logical. When the PC userbase outnumbers your platform it makes sense to go after that market. PC games traditionally have VERY long legs and will sell for years and years on the platform much longer than on consoles as users get new hardware and wanting to test it on an old game they have nostalgia for. The power of a PS5 diminishes drastically every year the PS5 is out so in say a few years time, hardware strong enough to run PS5 games well will be in a lot more people's hands. You may lose $50 a year on a PS+sub, but you could easily replace that by sheer volume of sale on PC.

They aren't pursuing two different consumer bases, they are pursuing one. People that will buy the software, more the merrier. If you are a teen with a laptop you have for school, but can't afford a new console but want to play games, you'll buy it on the laptop. Laptop APU's are getting surprisingly stronger every year and are very VERY competitive with dedicated gaming hardware for all intents and purposes.

They develop the game for PS5 and scale it accordingly considering that these consoles are closer to PC's than ever before. The uniqueness of SSD hardware will give the PS5 advantages in certain aspects but it's not such a big advantage that they'd just outright ignore the 100's of millions of people playing on PC.


They have tons of market analysis and projections made by very smart people, they aren't doing anything off the cuff and winging it. There's definitely strategy involved in all of these moves.

If you feel like you've lost confidence in them, well, you learned a good lesson. None of these companies truly give a shit about anyone. Hell, both Sony and MSFT have a shady track record in regards to consumers.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
What the heck... PC gamers had to endure games being made for old 7th gen consoles through most of the 00's and early 10's and then games made for ultrabook CPUs and 5400rpm HDDs. I get that SSD they are all the rage on consoles now, but they have been a thing on PC for a decade.
I endured dial up porn back in the day. Sitting there while AOL beeped and bopped letting the entire house now that i was about to rub one out. I want everyone to suffer that humiliation in 2021.
 

laynelane

Member
No, when you put money above all you are one.
For the pleasure of many here, PlayStation users are being treated like peasants at the moment. All money and time that goes into PC ports could have been spent on upgrading titles for their own system or new titles altogether. PS5 exclusives could have been made from the ground up only and specifically to run on PS5 architecture alone, and even if PS5 is not a PS3 it's still a custom, closed system and that's enough to translate into something you would be able to see, for the ultimate benefit of the game.
PS Studio games will be better always and anyway on PC, it will undoubtedly be the best place to play them so where are my incentives to buy a console? Why would i ever subscribe to PS+?

I can only be happy about having the chance to download mods for say Uncharted or God of War, to fix bugs or little issues, run everything at high framerates without having to beg the software house.. the potential is infinite on PC.
Not to mention finally be able to discuss games without the constant downplaying from people who didn't get the chance to play them. By the time i can finally upgrade my PC i will literally be over the moon about this.

But i totally understand people feeling let down now.
People always said corporations only care about money and don't give a shit about you but, honestly, that statement always felt off in regards to PlayStation because it was not what Hirai or Yoshida made their customers feel in the slightest.
This new Ryan/Hulst PlayStation really is a corporation to the core, and totally fits this description.

I was trying to figure out what bothers me about this and you've put it into words. Thank you. I realize the goal of businesses is to make money and this will make money for Sony (same as making their first party cross-gen for 2-3 years), but none of that increases the benefits for their current users and it's obvious the focus is only on profit. Again, that's how business goes but there's ways to make lots of money and keep the existing user base happy and even expanding - Steam/Valve is a master class on how that works - and there's ways to do it that disregard your current customers by taking them for granted and runs the risk of alienating them - EA is a good example of a business that operates that way. It appears PS is veering towards the latter example and that's worrying and a little sad.
 
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THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
I prefer consoles generally but if Sony starts releasing day and date on pc that might push me over the edge to PC......at least until the first time a game won't load or crashes.
Then I'll be locked in an endless cycle of switching from pc to console.......
 

Vick

Gold Member
No corporation cares about anyone or anything ... except money.

Don't let anyone (or any corp) fool you. Its all about the money.
It's not as black or white, there are many companies i deal with which truly value respect to the costumer.

And even for huge corporations like Sony, we have seen many times in the past games released not necessarily just to make money but to also please the core costumers instead of the majority. There are tons of interviews with Hirai, House, Yoshida (the real one, not Sony CEO) and Layden detailing this.
It was a kind of give/receive relationship that felt uncommon and brought brand loyalty in a clean manner. If all they cared for were money their games would be filled with microtransactions, would't be anywhere near as polished and well crafted as they are, and would follow the most profitable trends.. which wasn't the case at all.

This new PlayStation is different but mostly feels different, i don't think anyone can deny that.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
The executives making the decisions at Sony Interactive Entertainment have definitely lost the vision that made PlayStation as great as it was the last 4 generations. This branch of Sony has been usurped by profiteers.

They project that the profits gained from releasing their next 3 flagship games of HZD Forbidden West, GoW Ragnarok and GT7 will not be enough so they will also release them on PS4 devaluing the PS5 console by decreasing the amount of exclusive software it has by 3 titles and also prohibiting these same games from fully utilizing the PS5's capabilities because the developers must cater to the lowest common denominator.
When they said they "believe in generations" it was evidently a lie.

SIE wants to convince you to buy a PS5 primarily because of it's exclusive software while simultaneously putting said exclusive software on the PC platform... which makes said software no longer exclusive. These actions are antithetical to one another as one cancels out the other.
SIE have gone from saying that PlayStation is "the best place to play" to now saying "the best place to play at launch". Just stop and think about how pathetic that must sound for a consumer to consider as a value proposition.

SIE have also said that putting games only on PS5 when people own a PS4 is "frankly not very good business". Keep in mind that this is a message being sent to consumers - they are saying "Why did I buy a PS5 if the biggest franchises will continue to be on PS4 anyway?" and SIE's amounts "we need to milk our last userbase a little more at the expense of short to medium term value to our most dedicated userbase". Keep in mind SIE has never had it's first party studios work on cross generation games during a generation transition. They at most allowed games started on the console before to either release on that last console before moving onto the new one entirely (God of War 2) or moved it to the new console entirely (ICO) so how consumers will react to PlayStations half hearted attempt to provide exclusive PS5 software to drive sales will remain to be seen.

Consider for a moment the possibility that PlayStation users come to understand this strategy at an accelerated rate. They spend money on a PC instead of PS5 and wait out the 2 or 3 years for the games to come to PC instead of buying it on PS5. PlayStation Plus subscriptions? Massively reduced or gone. Profits down. 1st party software sales? Revenue and therefore profit massively reduced due to much smaller cut. Possible PS5 users who are now instead PC users pirating all of SIE's software instead of buying it? Another massive revenue and profit drop for Sony. Keep in mind I am giving you an entirely possible theoretical situation which could happen even if it takes place over a long period of time.

Based on the majority of posts being negative reactions to this news and the fact we are on the official PSBlog where the absolute most fanatic PSFans could be and only a small number of PC gamers would probably bother to show up and praise SIE for this strategy (which is fine by the way as they're free to do so) I don't think this is the right direction for SIE to be going. You don't fix what ain't broke. SIE didn't make it as big and as popular as they are by putting games on PC and producing cross gen games.

I am trying to give a objective look at their strategy without injecting my pointless opinion into it (apart from one or two comments) but where do I stand on this? I haven't consciously thought about it despite buying and playing a lot of their games. However I don't have a PS5 - I can't buy one if I wanted to - and I have let my PS+ subscription lapse for the first time in a while and I don't plan to renew it any time soon. Most strikingly for myself I am actually considering just holding out on buying a PS5 and seeing how this plays out in the short to medium term, waiting to see how long it takes for their newest games to hit the PC, simply because I can't trust what they are advertising to me anymore and SIE have done this all on their own - I would have never considered this 5, 10, etc years ago.

Anyway the strategy is illogical because they are trying to pursue two different consumer bases at the same time by trying to make a quick buck by exploring a new business venture but greatly devaluing the proposition to their most loyal fanbase at the same time whom are the ones that got them where they are in the first place, that is textbook - yes I'm going to say it - arrogance.
Great post. The bit about PS5 being the best place to play AT LAUNCH is absolutely eye opening. Just wow.

The funny thing is that this strategy was already something tried by Microsoft. It didnt work out for them. Their sales tanked hard in the latter half of the gen. they sold 30 million in their first three years and then couldnt even get to 50 million the next 4. I wonder why. Letting your exclusives go to PC just gives players zero reason to invest in your ecosystem.

I am gonna sell my PS5 for profit while i can and use that cash to upgrade my PC where i dont have to pay $70 for their games. $60 just to play online. And have better performance compared to their 10 tflops machine.
 

kyliethicc

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It's not as black or white, there are many companies i deal with which truly value respect to the costumer.

And even for huge corporations like Sony, we have seen many times in the past games released not necessarily just to make money but to also please the core costumers instead of the majority. There are tons of interviews with Hirai, House, Yoshida (the real one, not Sony CEO) and Layden detailing this.
It was a kind of give/receive relationship that felt uncommon and brought brand loyalty in a clean manner. If all they cared for were money their games would be filled with microtransactions, would't be anywhere near as polished and well crafted as they are, and would follow the most profitable trends.. which wasn't the case at all.

This new PlayStation is different but mostly feels different, i don't think anyone can deny that.
Of course many corps respect their customers' money.

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