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[Topher]

There we have it from the horses mouth: Playstation console exclusives are “frankly not very good business”.

That's not what he said.

How does PS4 factor into PlayStation Studios’ development vision? Is it still a focus internally for future game development?

Hermen: It very much is. You can’t build a community of over 110 million PS4 owners and then just walk away from it, right? I think that’d be bad news for fans of PS4, and frankly not very good business.

 

[Kazza]

That's not what he said.

I know, my bad. I just spotted it myself, already corrected.

 

[sublimit]

 

[SlimySnake]

This is a good thing. Id say sell your PS5 for a profit while you can and then pick up a PC when those cards finally get in stock. A 3080 should be able to do whatever ps5 is doing at double the framerate or double the resolution without DLSS with better ray tracing.

 

[Keihart]

So... 1 year exclusives now? 2 year exclusives? 1 month?

No shit there is demand for PS games in other platforms, if there wasn't they wouldn't be good exclusive. What is the revelation here Hulst? the only real revelation is how much investment Sony is taking towards their own platform, if they are willing to give the exclusives off after some time, then they really don't care much about the platform's prolonged value.

Better build a second gaming PC if the games are gonna start coming fast to PC, good luck with a next gen launch if they go this route, enthusiast market it's gonna jump out the boat like it's sinking and that's the market that buys consoles at launch.

 

[Fredrik]

Normally I'd be excited to clean up IQ in games I like/love, but who even cares since you can't reasonably buy a GPU until late-2022 probably. Great if you managed to get a current gen card though, I'm still stuck on this stinky (read: fantastic) GTX 1080.

Yeah the whole PC industry is broken now.

But to be fair, your 1080 still runs both HZD and DG way better than your console. I could run HZD at 80+ fps avg 150+ fps max on my 1080ti at ultimate quality, only 1080p though but framerate is king imo.

 

[Kazza]

So... 1 year exclusives now? 2 year exclusives? 1 month?

I personally think they'll maintain at least a 1 year gap. That way, they can still realistically stick a $70 price tag on the PC version, while still giving the Sony console faithful a feeling of pride in the brand and a certain kind of exclusivity (albeit of the timed type only). While it does waste marketing resources (two release dates rather than just one), PC is a different space where a game being a little older doesn't matter so much.

 

[JoeBudden]

Who's really mad at this? The more Sony games that come to PC the better it is for everyone.

If they release titles on PC before the sequel launches, it's a good way of generating hype and discussion for the sequel.

It's a win-win for all parties.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Why would any Playstation fans care about games getting ported after the fact? And why would any PC gamers think this is some moral victory? Both of those sides look incredibly lame. I'd like to assume that PS fans won't care after they got to play the game first. I'd also like to think that PC gamers didn't spend all that money to play old shit. Have a little self-respect, folks.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What a piece of shit, he sold out the brand. Fuck him.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Who's really mad at this? The more Sony games that come to PC the better it is for everyone.

If they release titles on PC before the sequel launches, it's a good way of generating hype and discussion for the sequel.

It's a win-win for all parties.

Most gamers is a win-win.

But hardcore ecosystem supporters dont want their games on other platforms because they feel upset and it devalues the brand because random PC gamers around the world are playing a game that used to be on PS systems only.

 

[Fake]

This is art.

Hermen Hulst Q&A: Interview with Head of PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios

What's next for Guerrilla, upcoming TV and film projects, and the guiding principles that drive PlayStation’s network of world-class game studios.

blog.playstation.com

''But I want to emphasize that PlayStation will remain the best place to play our PlayStation Studios titles at launch. ''

"We have always said that we believe in generations."

"We’ve had a couple really great appointments of new leaders at the studios recently. You probably heard about Nicolas Doucet as the new head of Japan Studio."

"And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn’t necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC. In my mind, Horizon Zero Dawn was just a great fit in this particular instance. We don’t have plans for day and date [PC releases], and we remain 100% committed to dedicated hardware."

 

[SlimySnake]

This is art.

Hermen Hulst Q&A: Interview with Head of PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios

What's next for Guerrilla, upcoming TV and film projects, and the guiding principles that drive PlayStation’s network of world-class game studios.

blog.playstation.com

this last part got me roasted here on gaf and turned all of sony era against me because i warned everyone that this dude was lying about horizon being the only game.

"And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn’t necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC. In my mind, Horizon Zero Dawn was just a great fit in this particular instance. We don’t have plans for day and date [PC releases], and we remain 100% committed to dedicated hardware."

I remember pulling up an old Phil spencer post where he said something along the lines of how gears 4 going to PC doesnt mean every xbox exclusive will go to PC. It was clear to me that this dude was a used car salesman lying through his teeth but ps fans fell for it anyway.

 

[MonarchJT]

Exclusives are simply a thing of the past.

fuckin finally

 

[Manwithoutfear]

as someone who owns a ps5 and a pc with a 3080 i must say..... Thank you Jim Ryan and Herman! this is great news. i much prefer playing on PC. I even double dipped on horizon and days gone cause i loved um both and wanted to play again.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Give us the Bloodborne port already.
After that nobody is going to give a damn about anything else you're going to port to PC next.

this. very much. well, maybe demons souls..but thats about it. bloodborne will sell millionssss

 

[DForce]

i remember Sony fans were laughing at Microsoft for cross gen games and PC relases... it all changes very fast.

Because Xbox fans were laughing at PlayStation games not having true exclusives.

They laughed for games being released on PS3 and PC, such as Street Fighter V, The Last of Us and MLB The Show.

It came crashing down when Microsoft announced that Quantum Break as coming to PC and the narrative quickly changed.

 

[Fake]

Exclusives are simply a thing of the past.

Nintendo say hi.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Nintendo say hi.

But it's ok for Nintendo because

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Oh Hermen you little bitch

 

[bender]

They should just release their back catalog for the previous generation once a new generation launches. It's a win/win scenario for Sony, gamers and game preservation. Games are fucking expensive to make and with Sony's 1st part focusing mostly on single player experiences, it's hard for those types of games to have legs (unless you are Nintendo).

 

[Fake]

But it's ok for Nintendo because

 

[Endless Fluff]

Look forward to Demon's Souls at the end of 2022 on PC.

 

[Papacheeks]

this is why the next step for them is to bring their network features and store on pc to also sell third party content and mtx there.

That would be down to Valve and Sony on how the split would work if valve would even allow it.

So I think we are a way long ways off from something like that. But maybe skins for single player games is possible if done in DLC form.

MTX's I dont see happening anytime soon.

 

[martino]

Nintendo say hi.

Nintendo has shareholder too.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

What a piece of shit, he sold out the brand. Fuck him.

Don't be fooled by the EACH in the thread title. He's not saying they're all coming out.

 

[MonarchJT]

So... 1 year exclusives now? 2 year exclusives? 1 month?

No shit there is demand for PS games in other platforms, if there wasn't they wouldn't be good exclusive. What is the revelation here Hulst? the only real revelation is how much investment Sony is taking towards their own platform, if they are willing to give the exclusives off after some time, then they really don't care much about the platform's prolonged value.

Better build a second gaming PC if the games are gonna start coming fast to PC, good luck with a next gen launch if they go this route, enthusiast market it's gonna jump out the boat like it's sinking and that's the market that buys consoles at launch.

It doesn't work like this. Xbox launch same day on PC ...and still the series x is constanly sold out

 

[Papacheeks]

I'll bet its within 2 years from the ps5 launch.

With where PS5 is in saturation I doubt it.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

According to FrankWza logic, Playstation will soon have no exclusives time to buy a Switch!

 

[Banjo64]

I don't know why people particularly care if 2 year old exclusive games make their way onto PC.

Well because those games don’t become shit at 2 years old, it means rather than spend £359 on a PS5, and £249 on a Series S I can just build a £1k PC when GPU prices eventually stabilise. PC will give me better performance and choice between resolution and framerate (even a 3060 TI with its £299 RRP), will get Xbox exclusives day one on Steam, all PC exclusives including RTS games and Sony first party after a couple of years AND NO ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION FEES.

I’ve never gamed on PC but for someone who normally buys all consoles, this makes the PC the best all in one machine by far.

 

[Keihart]

Who's really mad at this? The more Sony games that come to PC the better it is for everyone.

If they release titles on PC before the sequel launches, it's a good way of generating hype and discussion for the sequel.

It's a win-win for all parties.

I don't think it's a win a win, i personally will be sticking to PC if they really come to 1 year offset releases.
Why i don't think it's a win win? because for one this means that Sony themselves are killing their console business and becoming more of a publisher, maybe that is the inevitable future but they will be certainly not helping to keep consoles alive.

 

[MonarchJT]

Don't be fooled by the EACH in the thread title. He's not saying they're all coming out.

yes he said just that

"But I want to emphasize that PlayStation will remain the best place to play our PlayStation Studios titles at launch."
emphasis on: at launch

"But we do value PC gamers, and we’ll continue to look at the right times to launch each game."
emphasis on: each game

in practice timed console exclusive and release of all games on PC. he said this.

 

[Keihart]

It doesn't work like this. Xbox launch same day on PC ...and still the series x is constanly sold out

Xbox is constantly sold out because they produced way less than PlayStation and MS themselves are putting very little faith in making games tailored to that console, they have bigger fishes to fry on game pass and PC.

 

[Skifi28]

I'd double dip on many of them, but I don't think I'd be able to wait months/years for a release. Assuming I ever manage to buy a new GPU.

 

[LostDonkey]

Day and date or bust

 

[SlimySnake]

But hardcore ecosystem supporters dont want their games on other platforms because they feel upset and it devalues the brand because random PC gamers around the world are playing a game that used to be on PS systems only.

Nah there is more to it than that. I listed a bunch of what if scenarios last year when rumors of horizon going to PC and they are all turning out to be true.

The gist of it is very simple:
- Multiplatform games take far more resources. They are more expensive.
- Multiplatform games are far less polished.
- Multiplats take longer to make. Take resources away from base game. See how GG took 6 months to fix the PC version of Horizon. You cant tell me that didnt affect the PS5 development causing delays.
- Multiplats have only one goal in mind. Make more profits. First party console games are not meant to make profits. See Shawn Layden's comments on Bloodborne.
- When profits become your main objective, you turn into every other greedy publisher like activision, EA and ubisoft. Games are rushed out to meet fiscal year deadlines. They are no longer designed to show off your console to get people in your eco system because you dont really want people in your eco system anymore.

Nearly all of this has come true. See how MLB the show did not have any next gen upgrades because they had to port their game to Xbox. See how GoW and GT7 is now being held back by the PS4 because to them selling PS5s is no longer a priority. To them selling software to as many people is how they make the most money. Games are being held by the PS4 today, who is to say they wont look at the fact that the 1060 is the most popular card on Steam and force their devs to make a 4 tflops card their base for next gen games going forward?

 

[MonarchJT]

Xbox is constantly sold out because they produced way less than PlayStation and MS themselves are putting very little faith in making games tailored to that console, they have bigger fishes to fry on game pass and PC.

this is your guess mostly far-fetched .I've heard for years that if Xbox released all games on PC, the console would immediately fail. Nothing more idiotic has ever been said. The same would happen for the PlayStation.

 

[JoeBudden]

I don't think it's a win a win, i personally will be sticking to PC if they really come to 1 year offset releases.
Why i don't think it's a win win? because for one this means that Sony themselves are killing their console business and becoming more of a publisher, maybe that is the inevitable future but they will be certainly not helping to keep consoles alive.

Casuals run the market, and they aren't willing to wait a year for a game, especially if they don't know if and when the game is coming to PC.

I see this as Sony leveraging the hardcore PC market to further promote their franchises and essentially double dip on these games for profit. Saying they're killing their console business is a reach imo.

 

[Keihart]

this is your guess mostly far-fetched .I've heard for years that if Xbox released all games on PC, the console would immediately fail. Nothing more idiotic has ever been said. The same would happen for the PlayStation.

not day and date, it requires years to change consumers behaviors and awareness of what the "best deal" is.
Next gen it's not going to go this way with both MS and Sony going the PC route.

Nintendo it's gonna be swimming in money if they stick to consoles and keep their exclusives.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

EACH game planned to launch on PC. I can teach you English and it's not even my first language.

 

[Stuart360]

Xbox is constantly sold out because they produced way less than PlayStation and MS themselves are putting very little faith in making games tailored to that console, they have bigger fishes to fry on game pass and PC.

Well they havent released a XSX/XSS exclusive yet, so at least wiat for their E3 conference before talking like that.

 

[rapid32.5]

That's a stretch. Keep dreaming though, bub. Each =/=Every

 

[Krappadizzle]

What a piece of shit, he sold out the brand. Fuck him.

 

[skit_data]

Totally fine with this, I bought my PS5 out of convenience, great exclusives and economy. At this time, it very much delivers in spades.

It doesn’t bother me that people experience the same games as long as the games development aren’t impacted by having it release the same day and date on PC i.e targeting a wider range of specs and having to accomodate dev time and game design for that.

 

[FatKingBallman]

Time to sell my PS5, i'll wait for the exclusives

This is a good thing. Id say sell your PS5 for a profit while you can and then pick up a PC when those cards finally get in stock. A 3080 should be able to do whatever ps5 is doing at double the framerate or double the resolution without DLSS with better ray tracing.

You won't see PS5 titles anytime soon on PC. LOL Yet they need to release Uncharted 4 for PC which came out in....2016.

There we have it from the horses mouth: Playstation console exclusives are “frankly not very good business”.

How long before not releasing on PC day and date is "frankly not very good business"?

Edit: looking again more carefully, he actually seems to be talking in the context of PS4 cross gen titles here, but the same logic applies to PC I think.

Yeah, about PS4 games.

It doesn't work like this. Xbox launch same day on PC ...and still the series x is constanly sold out

Funny thing how you regarding sales constantly ignoring XSS. Like, it doesn't exist.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

All I feel is pain and misery

 

[Rikkori]

They saw 250% ROI on horizon. It proved to Sony and its share holders that there is a massive market for Sony games on PC. No way they wait that long to release horizon 2.

Also with today's news, don't expect any game to truly take advantage of sonys universe changing IO and ssd. Every game will be made with pc in mind. Yes you may need an SSD but it won't be to the speed the pa5 could pull off untethered to ps4 and PC. Before anyone says they will never have the minimum requirement as a 7000mbs ssd.

That was never going to happen anyway because that 7000 number you're thinking of is only one of the relevant metrics of storage, many other ones serve as a bottleneck that still exist even on the ps5 and those speeds are not that different on bargain bin ssds, mainly because they're inherent on the kind of tech it is (nand flash). Secondly, games are not made so that they max out a particular tech spec but rather they work on achieving their vision as best as they can given the constraints of said hardware. So in something like Forbidden West you can rest assured that f.ex. the cpu will mostly be sleeping because 30 fps isn't something a zen2 cpu will need much to achieve. So resources overall will always be underutilised because you can't tax out every single spec in a given scene and game type.

Honestly dev time & innovation is more of a major bottlenenck than even HDDs.

 

[Fake]

IDK if this smart guy posting this bs blog so close to the Nintendo Direct was a wise decision.

Saying more games are crossgen and more games are going to PC next to a Switch PRO release probably was not smart.


I guess this is the price for Sony to listen Twitter warriors, disable Youtube comments, give Drunkman a promotion even with a harass accusation behind him.

Lets see how this end.

 

[Juza]

God bless both Hermen and Jim.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

They value the extra money. Works for me.