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There have been a fair few reports from Xbox Insiders over the past few days suggesting that Dolby Vision support might have rolled out to certain games on Xbox Series X and S, and now Microsoft has confirmed that is the case.

Xbox senior marketing director Guy Welch highlighted this on Twitter earlier today, and Microsoft provided an official statement to Forbes, explaining that the feature is currently in testing for the two next-gen consoles.

So, what is Dolby Vision? In simple terms, it's an HDR imaging technology that is technically able to provide greater image quality than HDR10, although it requires a TV or monitor that supports Dolby Vision in order to utilise it.

According to Forbes' research, it seems Borderlands 3, Gears 5, Wreckfest and Halo: The Master Chief Collection are all being tested with it at present for select Alpha-Skip Ahead Xbox Insiders, with the brightness, black levels and color saturations all appearing "more refined" with Dolby Vision than when playing the games with the usual HDR10.

Get Ready, Dolby Vision Support Is Coming To Games On Xbox Series X

"The feature is currently in testing"

www.purexbox.com

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Cool, but as I mentioned in the other thread, this is going to be a big no from me.
UHD120hz and DV are mutually exclusive on TVs (some EDID space nonsense), and there's no game mode preset when my TV is in dolby vision.
At 60hz and standard modes the input lag is just too bad.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Next gen capabilities for next gen displays like Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision, and Variable Refresh Rate.

 

[DonJorginho]

 

[DaleinCalgary]

How about some movie blu ray dolby vision support as well....

 

[Methos#1975]

It's a cool update so far, makes a huge difference with some games like Vahalla. Not limited to the four titles listed, seems to be every HDR enabled game as well as all auto HDR titles using it

 

[Hendrick's]

Cool, but as I mentioned in the other thread, this is going to be a big no from me.
UHD120hz and DV are mutually exclusive on TVs (some EDID space nonsense), and there's no game mode preset when my TV is in dolby vision.
At 60hz and standard modes the input lag is just too bad.

 

[Max_Po]

is it better than HDR10? I have LG c7, normally HDR adds LAG

 

[TLZ]

is it better than HDR10? I have LG c7, normally HDR adds LAG

Huh? Really? I thought it didn't.

 

[01011001]

Huh? Really? I thought it didn't.

it shouldn't... not sure about that specific model he mentioned tho

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

After I read the tweet:

After I read the games first to support it:

Im excited it's being implemented though.

 

[Kazekage1981]

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Yeah, unless by some miracle there's very low input lag on sony tvs, this is a no go for me.

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

Yeah, unless by some miracle there's very low input lag on sony tvs, this is a no go for me.

 

[Methos#1975]

After I read the tweet:

After I read the games first to support it:

Im excited it's being implemented though.

Pretty much every game supports it

 

[Mmnow]

Hopefully some level of automation is brought in here, where Dolby Vision is the default at games locked to 60 or under and everything else turns it off.

I can cope with no game mode, but missing out of higher framerates would suck.

 

[ZywyPL]

Freesync>Dolby Vision for me.

 

[OverHeat]

Can’t wait!!! MS pc next!!!

 

[Riky]

If you turn off Freesync at a TV level then you can have VRR and Dolby Vision, that's what happens on my Series X and LG anyway.

 

[OverHeat]

If you turn off Freesync at a TV level then you can have VRR and Dolby Vision, that's what happens on my Series X and LG anyway.

Freesync premium is off by default on my cx

 

[Riky]

Freesync premium is off by default on my cx

Yeah, I was playing around with the settings on mine as I have a Series X, Gaming PC and a PS4 Pro connected, found that Freesync on the TV disables Dolby Vision on my Xbox but if I turned it off I could run VRR and Dolby Vision so getting the best of both worlds. I presume it's something to do with the 40gbps rating on Series X, I'm not sure. You could alter by HDMI port so the PC runs Freesync.

 

[Beer Baelly]

 

[TheRobot]

Cool, but as I mentioned in the other thread, this is going to be a big no from me.
UHD120hz and DV are mutually exclusive on TVs (some EDID space nonsense), and there's no game mode preset when my TV is in dolby vision.
At 60hz and standard modes the input lag is just too bad.

is it better than HDR10? I have LG c7, normally HDR adds LAG

If you use the PC input setting on the LG OLED any picture mode you select will have the lowest input lag.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Next gen capabilities for next gen displays like Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision, and Variable Refresh Rate.

The only one of those that is even close to new is Dolby Vision. Both Atmos and VRR have existed for about a decade.

 

[reksveks]

Out to insiders this week

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Is Xbox Series X Dolby Vision Gaming About To Give Even Cutting Edge TVs Another Big Headache?

Current evidence points to more compatibility woes.

www.forbes.com

 

[Riky]

Out to insiders this week

Great news, should be for everyone soon enough.

 

[ManaByte]

I think I'll stick with 120fps. Tempting, but 120fps with HDR10 is better than 60fps with DV.

 

[AJUMP23]

Sounds like an upgrade worth having.

 

[Chukhopops]

LG CX + Sonos for Dolby vision and Atmos surround, feels like a dream

 

[ManaByte]

LG CX + Sonos for Dolby vision and Atmos surround, feels like a dream

But no 120fps.

 

[Chukhopops]

But no 120fps.

I think it’s a bandwidth limitation that nothing really supports the full 48Gbps required for that? I guess I’ll try both DV and HDR10 but for movies I find DV much better.

 

[reksveks]

I think I'll stick with 120fps. Tempting, but 120fps with HDR10 is better than 60fps with DV.

The last bit in the articles just suggest it should be possible to get 120 with DV working but it requires a TV firmware update

And here is the actually quite interesting one from Dolby:

“Dolby Vision is a frame rate agnostic technology. Some TVs do not support Dolby Vision at 120 Hz currently and we are working closely with TV manufactures to update firmware support for Dolby Vision capabilities at 120 Hz.”

 

[ManaByte]

The last bit in the articles just suggest it should be possible to get 120 with DV working but it requires a TV firmware update

It might be framerate agnostic, but it's not bandwidth agnostic.

 

[reksveks]

It might be framerate agnostic, but it's not bandwidth agnostic.

What bandwidth do you need for DV at 4k120? I suspect this isn't going to be a real world problem but just curious.

 

[T-Cake]

People throwing shade because they can't use all the features at once. At least the capability is there now, if not for TVs (and even the current Xbox) to make use of, it will be there for future hardware.

 

[xion4360]

It might be framerate agnostic, but it's not bandwidth agnostic.

bandwidth shouldnt be the problem...the xbox series X itself is 40gbps, so is the LGCX and many HDMI2.1 tvs anyway. chroma subsampling would be used at 120htz regardless.

 

[Chukhopops]

What bandwidth do you need for DV at 4k120? I suspect this isn't going to be a real world problem but just curious.

XSX video bandwidth maximum is 40Gbps vs 32Gbps for the PS5.

According to this page you would need 42Gbps for 4K 120Hz 12-bit colour: https://k.kramerav.com/support/bwcalculator.asp

So I have no idea if it’s possible with the limitations of current consoles.

 

[Anki]

I hope this is optional and can i turn it off and turn on hdr10.

 

[Excess]

I like that Xbox is supporting this, because honestly, HDR10 has no real standards about how the picture is intended to appear on displays.

Granted, HDR10 is still better than SDR, but I'm tired of games with "broken" HDR because either the developer can't create decent calibration tools, or there's too much variance in display capabilities that it's impossible to get a truly calibrated image. Just as Dolby Digital was the solution to surround sound gaming, developers should also be utilizing Dolby Vision for picture quality in the future.

With that said, we probably won't see full adoption for several years, though.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

It shouldn't be a bandwidth thing, so far it's an EDID limitation, there's literally no space in the EDID to enable/support both 120hz and dolby vision.
That Vincent teoh guy did a video about it.

 

[Dibils2k]

as a owner of a Sony TV, they dont have a "Game Mode" in Dolby Vision mode... does it mean its gonna be input lag galore!

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

as a owner of a Sony TV, they dont have a "Game Mode" in Dolby Vision mode... does it mean its gonna be input lag galore!

It would be fine in 120hz, but yeah at 60hz the input lag is bad.

 

[xion4360]

XSX video bandwidth maximum is 40Gbps vs 32Gbps for the PS5.

According to this page you would need 42Gbps for 4K 120Hz 12-bit colour: https://k.kramerav.com/support/bwcalculator.asp

So I have no idea if it’s possible with the limitations of current consoles.

you can set the series x to 4K 120 htz at 12 bit and you get 12bit 420 (24gbps)..422 should be possible with an update.

Tv manufacturers would also have to update the TV's to make it possible probably by sacrificing something else. even so were out here talking about dolby vision gaming....cant expect to get everything you want.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I think I'll stick with 120fps. Tempting, but 120fps with HDR10 is better than 60fps with DV.

Agreed. DV is better for movies, with dynamic metadata, but most HDR10 gaming is dynamic anyway.

 

[OverHeat]

Not seeing a big difference picture quality wise on my CX with Dolby Vision in MCC and Destiny 2 compared to HDR.

 

[Rossco EZ]

just need LG to implement the 4K120 support, was reading recently they are testing it but haven’t confirmed which models it will be rolled out to. they will probably shaft C9 owners like myself and have it for CX and new C1/G1 models even though the C9 can support it.

 

[ManaByte]

Agreed. DV is better for movies, with dynamic metadata, but most HDR10 gaming is dynamic anyway.

On my X90J I have HDMI3 set to DV. That's what the receiver is hooked into with the PS5 and Apple TV 4K connected to.

HDMI4 is set to 120hz and the XSX is connected there with the uncompressed audio being passed through HDMI3 to the receiver via eARC.

 

[Rossco EZ]

What bandwidth do you need for DV at 4k120? I suspect this isn't going to be a real world problem but just curious.

i think it’s 39GBs or something

 

[Blond]

Not seeing a big difference picture quality wise on my CX with Dolby Vision in MCC and Destiny 2 compared to HDR.

Dolby vision really won’t be that much of a difference I’ve found, it’s more of a standard of consistency for applying HDR to media. It can look better sometimes but it’s nothing you won’t notice unless you’re switching back and forth between the two.