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The lack of PS5 Patches is really upsetting me at this point
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Yselacrey00
Banned
Remember that Sony and Jym Ryan's plan was to charge for it. They wanted to charge you for those PS5 updates but they had to change course at the last minute after seeing what Xbox was doing. That's the reason there are practically no updates and there won't be. They have nothing to gain and money to loose.
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What’s to remember if you have nothing to back up that claim?
Klayzer
Member
Talk about FUD. Nowhere was that said or hinted by Sony.
TLZ
Banned
It has it running by default. It does the same thing the PS4 pro boost mode does.
No point why? It helps games run at a better frame rate. Some games like Just Cause 3 had unstable frame rates and this would help it stay locked. And others with dynamic frame rates upto 60 can be a stable 60 too. That's the point of boost mode.
darkangel-212559
Banned
AND I'm STILL waiting on my SH HD PS5 update with complete code from Konami!
Any day now!
Tommi84
Member
I'm specifically talking about games with locked framerate. JC3 was one of the infamous examples and as you mentioned, runs pretty much flawless on PS5, but is not a norm. If the game didn't even receive PS4 Pro patch, then they will not benefit from boost mode.
And to be clear - I'm all in for a boost mode if it overrides the 30fps limit. I've played Days Gone in 4k60fps and it spoiled be
Mojoraisin
Member
Agree. Very disappointed by Sony in this regard. As a person that has has less time to game some years, I planned on continuing buying PS4 games along with PS5 games I was interested in after having sold my PS4. Now I am not so sure.
That is a loss for Sony and it’s developers.
That is a loss for Sony and it’s developers.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
I found myself thinking much the same as I was looking through the PS+ Collection and my PS4 physical library the other day. I'd love to try some for the first time or revisit some, but it's a shame we have to wait for the devs to publish special patches. I'm leaning towards trying to get a Xbox Series X for all third party games at this point (I have a great gaming PC in my home office already, but sometimes I just want to play on my couch).
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BlackGauna
Member
Making a PS5 patch can't be that difficult, at least for games that have a Pro mode already. Those games clearly have some kind of configuration implemented to change resolution and framerate. What is so difficult to just add an additional configuration for PS5?
I have the feeling that Sony, or the game studios themselves, don't really care for their own creations that much. If I was in their shoes, I would want to see my game in the best possible light.
Where is their sense of perfectionism and passion? Maybe it is there but is being blocked by the people in charge at the top of the food chain.
Sony should just invest a little into preserving their own legacy in the best way possible. PC ports are cool and all, but I didn't buy a PS5 to play the definitive versions of games on PC, especially when it has backwards compatibility.
I have the feeling that Sony, or the game studios themselves, don't really care for their own creations that much. If I was in their shoes, I would want to see my game in the best possible light.
Where is their sense of perfectionism and passion? Maybe it is there but is being blocked by the people in charge at the top of the food chain.
Sony should just invest a little into preserving their own legacy in the best way possible. PC ports are cool and all, but I didn't buy a PS5 to play the definitive versions of games on PC, especially when it has backwards compatibility.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
What are they supposed to do? The PS5 already has near perfect BC with boost mode for those games that can benefit from better frame rates or dynamic resolution. Beyond that you need to change the game itself.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thought we could get through the week without one of these threads, but I guess we needed it since a new hotness drops tomorrow.
*Still salty he doesn't even have a PS5.
*Still salty he doesn't even have a PS5.
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modiz
Member
And remaking games that aren't even ten years old.
Kerotan
Member
We must look forwards not backward, upward not forward and always twirling twirling twirling towards freedom.
Interfectum
Member
It's fine on PS5. Series X does it better but they kind of have to. They are banking the first couple years of Series X on old games you can play on Game Pass. Polishing them up with a better frame rate or resolution is an easy win for their plans. Meanwhile instead of getting a Bloodborne patch, PS gamers are getting exclusives like Demon's Souls, Astrobot, Returnal, Ratchet, etc.
Personally I'd rather have new games as most people would. I feel like a lot of gamers, especially on Twitter, are falling into this trap of getting hyped for old shit they've already played. This is by design for MS because they are keeping your subscription on the line until they can finally get new games out.
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
Couple of titles I nearly got in the Spring sale I passed on when I found they are a locked 30fps on PS5. Surely in most cases it can only be a tweak to one line of a INI file. MAX FPS = 60?
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Phoenix RISING
Banned
HZD, Days Gone, Unraveled, Journey.
But that's not the hardware division. I would imagine that Sony could walk and chew at the same time.
Interfectum
Member
Guerilla outsourced the port to Virtuous didn't they?
SSfox
Member
If the TLOU remake is true it's gonna be really disappointing imo, they're already quite stagnant and if TLOU1 remake is their actual next project it will be the ice in the cake.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That will have the same problems again and in the future people will create a thread like this again asking "where are the PS6 patches?".
Arkam
Member
Lets step back and look at what we are comparing.
Xbox: Used the same OS as the previous gen, is focused on selling a subscription service that needs content
PS: Changed OS architecture PS4>PS5, is focused on selling (new) HW & Games
So you can see it is more effort for PS to do some "one size fits (most)" enhancement due and instead we get Boost mode. This is great for games with dynamic resolutions and unlocked frame rates.... but does little for those without.
Then there is that focus. PS is hitting it out of the park with new content just about every quarter the last 3-4 years. That is what they are looking to sell. Sure they could invest in enhancing/patching some games (and they have) but when they do it has three potential costs. 1. The actual resources spent 2. Opportunity Cost (by not using on higher revenue ventures...like new games) 3. Cannibalization of new content. Yes all of these are only POTENTIAL but would need to be considered from a strategic vantage point. For MS and GP it makes sense to invest as a subservice cannot subside on New content alone. A. Not enough of it and B. Familiarity is a major draw when selling "access" to content.
So with that out there. Should PS invest in patching PS4 games to be enhanced (more) on PS5? Maybe. Would be sweet. But can see why they might not. And more importantly even if they both did it to every game this gen, would yall expect them to do it again next gen? And the Gen after that? And the Gen after that? Again, would be dope.... but not gonna hold my breath on ANYONE doing that. I mean hell look at MS BC currently (which is very good), has massive gaps in support. No PGR, Most EA Sports games dont work and a bunch other that I own and have to use my 360 to play. Seriously I would kill for true BC of ALL 360 on XSX and ALL PS3 on PS5 long before I would even move a muscle for enhanced versions of Gen 8 games.
Xbox: Used the same OS as the previous gen, is focused on selling a subscription service that needs content
PS: Changed OS architecture PS4>PS5, is focused on selling (new) HW & Games
So you can see it is more effort for PS to do some "one size fits (most)" enhancement due and instead we get Boost mode. This is great for games with dynamic resolutions and unlocked frame rates.... but does little for those without.
Then there is that focus. PS is hitting it out of the park with new content just about every quarter the last 3-4 years. That is what they are looking to sell. Sure they could invest in enhancing/patching some games (and they have) but when they do it has three potential costs. 1. The actual resources spent 2. Opportunity Cost (by not using on higher revenue ventures...like new games) 3. Cannibalization of new content. Yes all of these are only POTENTIAL but would need to be considered from a strategic vantage point. For MS and GP it makes sense to invest as a subservice cannot subside on New content alone. A. Not enough of it and B. Familiarity is a major draw when selling "access" to content.
So with that out there. Should PS invest in patching PS4 games to be enhanced (more) on PS5? Maybe. Would be sweet. But can see why they might not. And more importantly even if they both did it to every game this gen, would yall expect them to do it again next gen? And the Gen after that? And the Gen after that? Again, would be dope.... but not gonna hold my breath on ANYONE doing that. I mean hell look at MS BC currently (which is very good), has massive gaps in support. No PGR, Most EA Sports games dont work and a bunch other that I own and have to use my 360 to play. Seriously I would kill for true BC of ALL 360 on XSX and ALL PS3 on PS5 long before I would even move a muscle for enhanced versions of Gen 8 games.
Arkam
Member
Um.... they produced what 7.8m units so far..... for a consumer base of >100m. So in a world without scalpers >90% wouldnt be able to get a PS5. So unless you think you are better than 90% of people you would probably still be SOL. But yes, blame it all on "teh skalperz"
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
A few days ago, I would be just as disgusted and outraged as the OP, but after going through a pretty bad April where I played nothing despite having access to 60 fps versions of Days Gone, Ratchet, and Ghost of Tshushima, I have come to the realization that im done with last gen games. 60 fps just wont get me to replay these games. trust me, i tried.
the only 60 fps game i played and beat was gow.
the only 60 fps game i played and beat was gow.
The last of Us is the prime exable... if you have the (unpatched) physical copy it will just play at rock solid 60 fps... if you get the patched version all you get is 30 fps.... wtf
There`s a long list of games i`m waiting to play but waiting for those patches because it`s pretty obvious they`ll get it somewhere down the line...
There`s a long list of games i`m waiting to play but waiting for those patches because it`s pretty obvious they`ll get it somewhere down the line...
Unknown?
Member
Those are outsourced companies porting old games to PC.
Not really, a simple patch to unlock FPS is so simple and cheap that`s pretty much a must do for any major developer...
Game devs who dont care about it shows a lack of commitiment to their product and their clients.... so dont blame the players for viewing devs for what they do.
Interfectum
Member
Destiny is an active project with programmers working on it daily. That's quite different than pulling an old release, patching and testing it. Sony can do it but it's clearly not a priority for them as it is at Xbox. But again, one first party publisher is putting out new exclusive titles and one hasn't released a single exclusive for their console yet with none in the near future. So... as long as we are critiquing keep that in mind.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Ea is doing it as well, seems like Sony is the odd one out on this issue.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Many of MS games do not have patches either.
The most obvious game missing a PS5 patch IMO on PS5 is Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4.
The most obvious game missing a PS5 patch IMO on PS5 is Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4.
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What does a next gen patch have to do with greatness? God of War was patched and not Killzone because God of war is not a great game?
There are additional hardware resources available and allowing customers to take advantage of them doesn't prevent working on new stuff. Unless you are insinuating that SSM and Sucker Punch are not working on new games. I won't mention any of the Ms studios.
ethomaz
Banned
That is great and nice but I still prefer to have new games.
Put your money and time in something new.
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Hugare
Member
Sony needs to get their shit together when it comes to BC
Its probably not as simple as changing a .config file.
They should invest in BC so in the future things like these are easily patched
I dont have an Xbox, but MS's BC focus have been amazing. Hopefuly Sony wont be arrogant and will pay attention.
It shouldnt be on the studios hands to make a PS5 version. It should be system wide.
Its probably not as simple as changing a .config file.
They should invest in BC so in the future things like these are easily patched
I dont have an Xbox, but MS's BC focus have been amazing. Hopefuly Sony wont be arrogant and will pay attention.
It shouldnt be on the studios hands to make a PS5 version. It should be system wide.
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assurdum
Banned
Even on series X most of the games are not native 4k and you think sony can on ps5 with a patch update? And what special boost you seen on Xbox that Sony BC didn't? Seriously are you at least properly informed how the "superior" BC works on series X? Because in most of the cases on series X games runs better just thanks to the one X higher graphic setting over the PS4 pro and it's quite a minority the games which received special enhancements compared the whole catalogue, if we want to be brutally honest.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I want a Assassin's Creed Unity & Mirror's Edge Catalyst patch.
I don't need new textures or anything, just let the games run at what the machine is capable of outputting it out as, same with all games.
This is possible and easy to do, they just have no reason to.
And seriously, PSX & PS2 backwards compatibility
Emulators have been available for years with enhancements, why is Sony incapable of something small time programmers do in their spare time.
I understand PS3, but PSX & PS2?
come on!
I don't need new textures or anything, just let the games run at what the machine is capable of outputting it out as, same with all games.
This is possible and easy to do, they just have no reason to.
And seriously, PSX & PS2 backwards compatibility
Emulators have been available for years with enhancements, why is Sony incapable of something small time programmers do in their spare time.
I understand PS3, but PSX & PS2?
come on!
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Jaxcellent
Member
I used to find it super weird, why are patches so slow, why are games being added to a service, super slow, it's like drip feeding us BC games / patches... I was always like, how hard can this be for a multi billion dollar company, right?
If they wanted this to be done, just hire a few exta dudes to do it, right?
Then I realise the reality is, they are actually drip feeding us the patches and BC games, this way we have something to look out for, they fill in some gaps in between game launches. Keeps us engaged and interested in their system, kinda sad, but its also kinda smart because it works and its super duper cheap for them.
The big Question is, how do we get these big company's to work harder for us?
And when a new system or something launches, old games just work on it full res on full auto?
If they wanted this to be done, just hire a few exta dudes to do it, right?
Then I realise the reality is, they are actually drip feeding us the patches and BC games, this way we have something to look out for, they fill in some gaps in between game launches. Keeps us engaged and interested in their system, kinda sad, but its also kinda smart because it works and its super duper cheap for them.
The big Question is, how do we get these big company's to work harder for us?
And when a new system or something launches, old games just work on it full res on full auto?
assurdum
Banned
That's not that simple how you think. It requires a notable investment and probably for Sony is not worth it. But I wouldn't exclude they will do something in the future considered how aggressive MS is became in this front
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Sony hasn’t even scratched the surface with the PS5.
Jaxcellent
Member
We agree, maybe its not simple but it can be done, the answer is just money, so now they are getting best of both world, take it easy on the patches and stuff and spend way less.
In the meantime when a patch is finished, just put it in the portfolio and release it when there is nothing to play. they throw the players a bone, we will be happy anyway.
Interfectum
Member
EA is doing it for EA Play. MS is doing it for Game Pass. Both require a plethora of games to keep subscribers happy. Re-energizing old titles with upgraded frames or resolution is a quick way to keep some gamers interested and builds social media hype.
Sony is focusing on people buying a PS5, not a subscription. For that they need new games for consumers to justify the cost of a new console. And they are also patching some games to work better on PS5 (GoT, Days Gone, God of War, etc) just not at the level MS is doing.
Personally I'd love to see Sony invest more but I can totally see why they aren't. Not much ROI.
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Md Ray
Member
I think Sony/MS should work with the devs and provide a system-level toggle/option to the users to uncap frame-rate specifically for 30fps back-compat games (provided their physics/anims don't break). Plenty of last-gen games that are capped at 30fps due to hardware limitations like Uncharted 4 or an FPS like Metro Exodus should easily be able to run at 60fps on the new hardware, without having to be at the mercy of devs to provide a patch for a simple 30>60 change!
As an e.g. Metro Exodus's physics or animations won't break when doing this because the engine already supports 60+fps on PC.
Wait... Halfway through this post, I realized we have "FPS Boost" by MS but it's still somewhat limited. But at least MS is putting some effort in this area even if it's for select back-compat titles.
As an e.g. Metro Exodus's physics or animations won't break when doing this because the engine already supports 60+fps on PC.
Wait... Halfway through this post, I realized we have "FPS Boost" by MS but it's still somewhat limited. But at least MS is putting some effort in this area even if it's for select back-compat titles.
4k/60, 1080p/120, etc.
I have a strong suspicion that factions is going to be rolled into something else.
I also think Sony needs to get Housemarque to fix Dead Nation on PS5.
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Rean no Kiseki
Banned
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
I'm just hoping for a PS5 raytracing patch for Life of Black Tiger.