James Sawyer Ford
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no it wasn’t, this is pure fantasy
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MLB The Show 21 is coming to Game Pass on day 1 (April 20)
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no it wasn’t, this is pure fantasy
theclaw135
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i wouldn`t call mr. Kenichiro a great, focused down to earth CEO who cares about the gaming Division at Sony when it comes to making a deal with your competitor while entirely Blindsiding the Executives at PS (like what you said, their most profitable division), it clearly resulted in the Power Struggle/Internal Conflict between Sony HQ in Japan & SIE that led to long-time talented veteran leaving the Company (Shawn Layden), The Rabbit-hole goes even deeper when you realize that the whole SIE Censorship controversy started not even a Month after the whole deal was made in 2019
Sony Confirms Existence of Strict Content Censorship Policy Regarding PlayStation 4 Releases
Following numerous incidences of censorship, Sony confirmed that they have adopted a strict content policy regarding media released on the PlayStation 4.boundingintocomics.com
the PS division is the most successful division last year is due to the incredible talents that built the whole division since the Early PS3 Disaster launch (Kaz Hirai,Tretton,House,Layden,Shuhei yoshida and even Jim Ryan), the whole thing about Sony group becoming a strong company financially is mostly due to Kaz Hirai restructuring from 2012-2019.
I wouldn't be surprised if internal conflict has resurfaced. Sony's US branch was a prolific supporter of many systems, before the Japanese HQ rolling out Playstation railroaded them into exclusivity.
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Flash Junkins
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There is always....always....this guy.
FatKingBallman
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Will bookmark this post.
SenjutsuSage
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Zeroing
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All this posts sure are giving me deja vu.
This is like the PS3/xbox 360 era where some were in panic mode, others happy, thinking a brand was going to be destroyed -
we saw a lot of "Sony is doomed"
If Playstation survived the PS3 era and MS the xbox one fiasco, I am sure both will be fine
This is like the PS3/xbox 360 era where some were in panic mode, others happy, thinking a brand was going to be destroyed -
we saw a lot of "Sony is doomed"
If Playstation survived the PS3 era and MS the xbox one fiasco, I am sure both will be fine
SNPlayen
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Yes people who don’t live in America and don’t care about baseball
I don’t think this is concerning Sony as a whole, but the fact that Sony Corp new CEO has no faith in their PS brand and are constantly trying to devalue it
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DaGwaphics
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I guess maybe Sony just randomly decided to make an Xbox version this year, yet for whatever reason not publish it themselves. Maybe the fact that this was announced right along with the licensing extension was just a random fluke. Certainly a possibility. Without being in the room, who knows.
I figured the theory that this was out of Sony's direct control would be the preferred version among Sony fans, Sony deliberately putting the game on GP for the $$$ while charging their own customers full price sounds much worse on the face of it, LOL.
Though I am surprised this got as much reaction from the Sony faithful as it did. Game still available on PS4/5 on the same day and at the same price as it always was.
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SLB1904
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the shit you read in this forum sometimes.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
You do realize that the game is being ported by Sony to xbox, right?
Doesn't matter if MLB is publishing.
Sony isn't doing this out of charity.
Leyasu
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It is also great PR and a headline stealer.
Buy the game on PS, or sign up to gamepass, play "insert game" for no extra charge, and then play everything else that takes your fancy.
I can sort of understand why Microsoft were pushing for crossplay now. People wont be abandoning their friends if they jump ship, because they can still play together on lots of games.
They are probably doing it cause its a part of the licensing deal. It really ain't that difficult.
No one knows the commercial arrangement of the deal.
DaGwaphics
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Whoever said they were? My working theory is that MLB wanted it and forced the issue and Sony went along. In that scenario, I'm sure MLB adjusted the numbers up front and Sony gets a piece of the pie along the way.
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FUBARx89
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Hahaha. This thread has been great. Especially the absolute meltdown by TheAP99.
Loving the "what the fuck are sony doing" doom posts too.
Survived the PS3, survived lots of long term exclusives going multi plat. Don't think this is gonna kill em. As others have said, it's not asif this is FIFA or something.
Loving the "what the fuck are sony doing" doom posts too.
Survived the PS3, survived lots of long term exclusives going multi plat. Don't think this is gonna kill em. As others have said, it's not asif this is FIFA or something.
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I don't know how specific game publishing deals go in terms of revenue split by type but it would be a piss take if Sony’s revenue was only for game sales and not mtx.
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DaGwaphics
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Certainly. I think another thing that makes this an odd concept for some, is that they aren't figuring in the fact that US console sales are a lot more even than the WW totals. For a highly regional game like this, MLB was leaving almost half the market on the table in the years where Xbox didn't get a release. MLB doesn't have any vested interest in the Sony platform, so, unlike typical first-party, there is no long-term benefit for them in not getting a game out to these buyers.
SoloKingRobert
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This is Illegal
StreetsofBeige
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MLB forced it on GP, but not PS Now. Ok.
You sure seem hard up on blaming MLB, then just admitting Sony agreed to it and took some MS money.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Man i just realized that MLB did not just have Sony share their game with Xbox, they forced them to do the dirty work of developing it on xbox as well.
It's like forcing someone to share his wife with another man for free. Then as a final insult, having him drive her to that man's house. I've never seen someone get cucked this bad in this industry before. Lol
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DaGwaphics
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I was talking more about the Xbox port in general. Since MLB is publishing they would just be trying to turn a profit on this port and MS offered them a nice payday (and Sony too by way of MLB publishing, I'm sure). If MLB publishing this game isn't a typo or a mistake the money flowed MS > MLB > SIE and will continue to do that (it's not a MS > Sony situation).
As far a whether or not this was the end result Sony wanted (speaking of the GP deal), I was just going with what would be best for Sony fans. LOL The idea that Sony sold their own customers down the river for some $$$ is worse than it being an obligation to MLB, imo.
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CrustyBritches
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When you have Game Pass you get slammed nonstop with games it's just crazy. I haven't played a baseball game in a while(since MLB The Show '09 PSP). Can't wait to do the home run derby.
freefornow
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Having a different business strategy does not make you incompetent.
Sony, under Ryan, seem to be doing better than all right (speaking as a primarily xbox gamer looking in)
Rhazer Fusion
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I know, I’m just saying it seems like Sony is experiencing several backward steps for every step they take forward. This isn’t remotely close to a death low or anything, but it still looks bad to gamers.
James Sawyer Ford
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Yeah, a licensing deal where Sony gets a cut out of every Xbox game sold. Not very difficult. Some people live in a fantasy where MLB strong armed Sony into making it multiplatorm or else they'd just take it elsewhere.
It takes two to tango. MLB doesn't want to be left dry having to get another studio develop a baseball game from the ground up with no pedigree when Sony has been putting in the work to make it great for over a decade and a half.
In fact, that's why MLB wanted to do this deal to begin with. RBI baseball was garbage and selling like shit in comparison. Sony had PLENTY of leverage in this deal, whatever it is.
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HeisenbergFX4
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James Sawyer Ford
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Instead of arguing, just post a gif. Share your insight if you know anything, ex-professional baseball player.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I have a few times on a couple of different threads now but will say it again.
I used to game a lot with Mike Ybarra while he was with Xbox (not so much anymore since he went to Blizzard) and he flat told me The MLB forced Sony to go multiplat or loose the license.
Now you can either believe conspiracy theories with a tinfoil hat and all or take the word of the then Xbox VP who has never lied to me.
James Sawyer Ford
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I'm sure that Michael Ybarra, an ex-Microsoft executive, would certainly paint the narrative that made it seem like Sony was forced to do this. Executives lie. Executives bend the truth.
I'm going to trust logical sense instead of bullshit console executive fuckery. These are the same guys that chum it up with Tim Dog.
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At least the PS3 eventually had games and was good..wtf did xbox one do to keep so many people..its rediculous. Can anyone name me the MUST HAVE potential GOTY Xbox One games that people who didnt get one miss out on? Just the Last Of Us prob beats any xbox one game from the PS3 era plus Uncharted 1,2,3. Then you also had Metal Gear 4, Demon Souls, and others
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HeisenbergFX4
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Thats cool and all but when Mike and I gamed he wasnt an Xbox guy we talked about a lot of stuff that I would never share openly you know kind of things friends talk about.
He 100% knows what I did as my old profession plus my love for The Show and it wasnt some narrative he was painting.
Sorry but you are 100% wrong
Oh and an edit in-
Mike didnt give 2 shits if his buddies owned an Xbox or Playstation as we all played on PC and there was no console exec fuckery when we played.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Doesn't matter. He was one of the worst executives at Microsoft and made tons of highly inflammatory anti-Sony comments, regardless of where he's at now that is his heritage.
"MLB strong arming Sony" is meaningless without specific context, and seems slanted because that's what Ybarra would like to paint...the guy has made ludicrous comments over the years. And MLB isn't the one with the pole position here either. Sony is the talent behind their best selling baseball franchise. If they leave, MLB gaming is fucked for the foreseeable future. Telling them to develop for Xbox or pound sand, they could easily just close up shop and move those devs over to other exclusives, leaving MLB with nothing for years. There's an incentive on both sides, and yes, Ybarra would certainly love to push the narrative that Sony were strong armed.
Reality is RBI baseball was in shambles and MLB had no other option but to get MLB The Show to be multiplatform. That's not really strong arming, despite what that guy wants you to think.
The only thing worse would be to own/acquire a studio pay billions of dollars and not even get the first 2 games that are coming out in a new generation..oh..hey..wait...
HeisenbergFX4
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Will be my last time responding to this as its proof you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.
When we played games there wasnt this painting as you would like to believe and in fact it was quite the opposite how he spoke of Xbox and how down on them he would get.
Again, believe what you want honestly I dont care
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Mike Ybara is actually one of the few Xbox executives who i saw criticize Microsoft's cross gen approach. He also heavily praised the ps5 i/o solution calling it revolutionary iirc.
That said, i agree that Sony had some leverage here. They are not a mom and pop shop who can be bullied around by MLB like this. It must have been mutually beneficial.
Zeroing
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Bingo. the only reason xbox is still a thing is because of their diehard fans, that endure anything in hope things will get better.
James Sawyer Ford
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I fail to believe Sony would allow MLB The Show on other platforms without a financial incentive to do so. MLB reaching out in desperation to put together a deal is not strong arming. It's a mutually beneficial agreement. Sony San Diego is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things for Sony. The Show sells well, but it's not like it lights the world on fire in comparison to their other exclusive hits. Sony could easily just move on from the series and let MLB deal with the consequences of trying to make a game that isn't a complete flop (VERY rare in the world of Baseball videogames)
Kerotan
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I already told you how you can get them for €60 a pop but that doesn't fit your narrative.
And your comparing steam sales which in some cases were impressive but they weren't on Xbox. Which highlights again how Xbox consoles are falling into irrelevance.
Games that should be selling well and would sell well on PlayStation or Steam were under performing massively on Xbox.
Dusktildawn48
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And would you look at that, our devotion is paying off immensely.
Kagey K
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They will be getting the games, after the exclusivity expires.
Such terrible that they are honouring existing contracts instead of breaking them/buying their way out.
James Sawyer Ford
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Fair enough, all I know is I couldn't stand the guy when he was the face of Xbox and Kinect. I'm sure that after leaving Xbox he's critical of whatever direction they're going in because he's not involved, but whatever. Bottom line is I wouldn't trust executives on any kind of second hand information like this especially when they have their own personal biases.
Kerotan
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Why are we still here? Just to suffer.
Zeroing
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And you are proud of it? wow
People like to suffer....
James Sawyer Ford
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Unfortunately, I also feel that MLB The Show will just turn into another derivative, stale sports franchise. This year's version looks barely upgraded. There's zero next gen features, and the animations haven't been meaningfully improved in ages.
There's probably less incentive for Sony to really make a standout, world class baseball game now that they are the only game in town and will sell on every platform.
Which is very unfortunate for the series.
There's probably less incentive for Sony to really make a standout, world class baseball game now that they are the only game in town and will sell on every platform.
Which is very unfortunate for the series.
Zeroing
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I have free time and I took a break from a game, it is fun texting here and reading all those crazy posts
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