Chukhopops
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There is no PC version at all, MS has nothing to do with that decision.
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MLB The Show 21 is coming to Game Pass on day 1 (April 20)
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Stuart360
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The game itself isnt coming to PC though is it?. I asked earlier but no one answered.
DaGwaphics
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Edit: Well, I was late to the party responding to that one.
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Chukhopops
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Again, Sony is not the publisher of the Xbox version, MLB is.
Stuart360
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Yeah i rememebrer a lot of people at the time were saying Marvel was stupid with this deal, as it means Sony pretty much keeps the license for life, as long as Sony do something with it.
If i remember right though, this was at a time before the whole Marvel movie series, and there were rumours that Marvel were in financial dire straights. It would explain the situation i suppose.
StreetsofBeige
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How's it going to go to PC GP when there isn't even a PC edition of the game?
Rhazer Fusion
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How is Sony’s constant and endless screw ups Xbox fans fault though?
Thirty7ven
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Marvel was one step away from bankruptcy and the only comic book to movie license worth a cent at the time was Batman.
Fun fact, Sony passed on the deal to sign the whole shebang. They only wanted Spiderman. You think that was dumb? Sony sold the merchandising rights back to Disney a few years ago for like 350 million.... the character with the most value in merchandising... in all of Comic books. A lot of dumb people making dumb decisions at Sony.
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StreetsofBeige
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All Marvel had to do is say the deal need mutual consent every 5 years or something.
In my industry, we have supplier/store deals all the time for products or pay outs.
1. There is a timing aspect (annual deal, two year deal etc....). If you want to keep it going, both sides sign and send
2. If there is no time specified for ongoing business terms, the terms continue (as neither side want to waste time resigning shit every year) perpetually. But there is always a clause saying despite it going on, if either side wants to chat about it or dissolve the terms, each side must bring it up and both sides must agree (or not agree) within 60 or 90 days. If one side doesn't want to agree, then that deal ends after let's say 90 days.
It's not hard to structure a deal with strict time limits or "let it ride" terms where each side can chime in when they want to.
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i wouldn`t call mr. Kenichiro a great, focused down to earth CEO who cares about the gaming Division at Sony when it comes to making a deal with your competitor while entirely Blindsiding the Executives at PS (like what you said, their most profitable division), it clearly resulted in the Power Struggle/Internal Conflict between Sony HQ in Japan & SIE that led to long-time talented veteran leaving the Company (Shawn Layden), The Rabbit-hole goes even deeper when you realize that the whole SIE Censorship controversy started not even a Month after the whole deal was made in 2019
Sony Confirms Existence of Strict Content Censorship Policy Regarding PlayStation 4 Releases
Following numerous incidences of censorship, Sony confirmed that they have adopted a strict content policy regarding media released on the PlayStation 4.boundingintocomics.com
the PS division is the most successful division last year is due to the incredible talents that built the whole division since the Early PS3 Disaster launch (Kaz Hirai,Tretton,House,Layden,Shuhei yoshida and even Jim Ryan), the whole thing about Sony group becoming a strong company financially is mostly due to Kaz Hirai restructuring from 2012-2019.
It's clear that you're viewing things in a way that is disconnected from reality.
Kenichiro Yoshida was Hirai's right hand and CFO of the company (basically the second most important figure in the company) during the Kaz years as CEO, he was chosen by Kaz as his successor because he shared all his ideas/views and he was behind all Sony's financial restructuring. He's continuing his job as CEO brilliantly under every objective metric.
I don't even understand why you're continuing to mention this deal with Microsoft that wasn't even a deal but a memorandum of understanding to explore possible future parterships outside the gaming business as some turning point of nothing
we don't even know if anything came out of this at all outside of PRs.Also you have clearly rose tinted glasses about your dream team of executives.
You know, the ones who killed a whole platform at the first signs it wasn't selling (PSVita), the ones who decided to put online behind a paywall on PS4, the ones who turned Plus monthly games into low level indie trash for the whole PS4 gen while on PS3 there were great AA-AAA games all the time.
The ones who killed Evolution Studios, Incognito, Guerrilla Cambrige and other studios. The ones who dropped support for indie developers once they didn't need them anymore during the PS4 gen.
The ones who refused to release free PS1 and PS2 emulators on PS4 and tried to profit on PS2 games with the excuse of adding trophies.
An executive is good in the measure he can make commercially successful products that generate profits for the company they work for, there's nothing else, they're not your friends, they're not heroes because they make actions that make your fanboysm feel validated (like acquisitions and such).
Stuart360
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Daaamn!, was Jim Ryan doing the negotiating?
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I dont think it was a difficulty thing. From memory, it was a "Sign these deals with Fox and Sony else you lose everything" thing.
It's incredible to think that every worldwide name in the Marvel universe was barely worth mentioning 20 years ago. Marvel had lost the film rights to Spidey, the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men. That coloured a lot of conversation back then.
Null Persp
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I am too lazy to update this gif to replace PC with Gamepass but you get the point.
Black_Stride
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Shodan09
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Another clear win for Xbox.
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The Xbox version is published by MLB.
MLB funded an Xbox port and then took the deal to put it on Gamepass.
ManaByte
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That deal was with Columbia Pictures, before Sony owned them. There is a termination to the deal, but it only happens if Sony sells off Columbia Pictures and the company ceases to exist. So, for example, if Sony were to sell its film division to someone like Apple and Apple kills the Columbia Pictures name; the rights would revert to Marvel.
Sony had nothing to do with it. Columbia had the Spider-Man movie rights long before Sony bought them in the late 80s. They inherited the Spider-Man movie rights with the Columbia Pictures purchase in 1989. They couldn't actually FILM a Spider-Man movie then, they only had partial rights. MGM had the other parts of the rights, but Sony got that in the mid-90s after trying to reboot James Bond. They had the rights to Casino Royale and wanted to remake Thunderball for the third time, but MGM sued them. Sony traded Casino Royale for $10M and the remainder of the Spider-Man rights so they could start making Spider-Man movies.
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Oddvintagechap
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Well Microsoft doesnt care about profit. It cares more about subscriber numbers. Its more profitable to take MS and Epic money.
Edgelord79
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I would think the MLB Players Association had some say here. The money offered by Microsoft probably was too great to pass up.
SLB1904
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you finally land the comment in the right thread
StreetsofBeige
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So MLB and MS can do whatever they want even though it's Sony's franchise. Hard to believe.
Sony took a pay out and allowed it.
DenchDeckard
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I really didn't expect this to have the impact that it has. Whoever made this move happen from MS side has earnt their wage today.
Seeing the responses on twitter etc, Sony trending from it. Absolute massive power play from MS here.
I couldn't care about the politics I'm just looking forward to trying the game out on the 20th.
Seeing the responses on twitter etc, Sony trending from it. Absolute massive power play from MS here.
I couldn't care about the politics I'm just looking forward to trying the game out on the 20th.
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ManaByte
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The Show has been the best sports game on console for more than a decade. This is a huge deal.
Stuart360
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Yeah and like i keep saying, you cant buy this kind of PR. People think Sony had any say in this are deluded, whether they got money for it or not.
Sony are not stupid, the internet has blown up over this, and even hardcore Sony fans on here are on the verge of giving up.
This does NOT give off a good look for Sony. Really interested to see how they respond with this.
Kagey K
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Thats the way it should be.
It's a much better way then keeping games off other systems for an arbitrary amount of time. Even worse is content in games for limited time.
This way they can benefit their audience without taking stuff away from other ones. Much better for the gaming community as a whole.
Skifi28
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I've been browsing these forums for quite a few years. Other than the recent drama, I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody talk about the game(s).
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Make sense. Fight fire with fire.
There was some article that said Sony spent $340 million on Playstation partnership deals. Who knows what MS paid Sony for baseball to show up on GP, but looks like MS is spending cash. And in this case Sony took it.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Certain people stopped including The Show 21 in their list warz when it became multi-plat.
Thirty7ven
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You’re wrong. Marvel had sold the rights during the 80s multiple times to independent production studios. Those went bankrupt, so Marvel sold the license again, to Sony. But MGM bought those defunct studios and went into years long legal battle over the rights, with MGM claiming it was theirs after they purchased the previous holders. Supreme Court balked, MGM got cold feet. MGM settled with Marvel and Marvel was free to sell the license again, and they had a seat with Sony. For 25 million or so they could’ve gotten The Avengers, Black Panther etc but they only wanted Spider-Man and paid around 10 million for it.
Marvels financial woes that led them to these contracts happened in the 90s. Why would they agree to those crazy deals in the early 80s, late 70s? Your proposed timeline doesn’t even work.
Edit: Sony bought Columbia in 89... acquired the Spider-Man rights in the late 90s... the movie debuted in 02 and Sony has to pump one out every five.
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DaGwaphics
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The Xbox port was probably a you do this or you won't be making a MLB game at all type of issue.
TLZ
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Damn. Imagine that being a backstab. What would the legalities be here? Such a weird situation.
DaGwaphics
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In what way do you mean? The Xbox port has been known for a while, MLB publishing it might have been part of the deal. Maybe Sony was convinced there was no money to be made there and MLB said we'll pay for the port and handle the distribution.
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, it would probably have to be a licensed game of some sort. LOL
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lachesis
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I think it all comes down to the MLB's licensing fee. I'm sure MS had to pay up quite a bit of money to Sony to share the exclusive license fee to MLB.
All these NFL, NBA, MLB etc... have huge licensing fee on the broadcasted shows, even segments, games and merch that carry their names - and it's only increasing.
In certain cases in broadcast, they actually lose the rights of what they created, just because they cannot pay the license fee. ABC's Monday Night Football was a good example of that - and I'm pretty certain same thing is happening on videogames.
By breaking exclusivity - Sony was probably able to cut its dev cost significantly, and recoup the cost earlier than they could - at the risk of selling lower volume of copies, especially if the user has an Xbox and Gamepass subbed.
MS on the other hand, can carry a major named sports game into their arsenal, at probably half the cost they could have paid for making the game.
And these sports games, they only have a shelf life of 1 year.
Depending on how you look at it - it is deemed win-win situation by both companies... so we'll see how it pans out.
It's kinda odd move though, and it's even weirder to see Sony 1st party developing for Gamepass. LOL.
It would be even weird, if either version of them perform better on certain platform. Think about all that backlash it would create...
(ie: if PS5 version perform better, it would mean Xbox fans would be mad that Sony's doing it intentionally... and if XSX ver perform better, it would mean Sony fans would get mad at the first party can't even do good job for their home-turf ver)
All these NFL, NBA, MLB etc... have huge licensing fee on the broadcasted shows, even segments, games and merch that carry their names - and it's only increasing.
In certain cases in broadcast, they actually lose the rights of what they created, just because they cannot pay the license fee. ABC's Monday Night Football was a good example of that - and I'm pretty certain same thing is happening on videogames.
By breaking exclusivity - Sony was probably able to cut its dev cost significantly, and recoup the cost earlier than they could - at the risk of selling lower volume of copies, especially if the user has an Xbox and Gamepass subbed.
MS on the other hand, can carry a major named sports game into their arsenal, at probably half the cost they could have paid for making the game.
And these sports games, they only have a shelf life of 1 year.
Depending on how you look at it - it is deemed win-win situation by both companies... so we'll see how it pans out.
It's kinda odd move though, and it's even weirder to see Sony 1st party developing for Gamepass. LOL.
It would be even weird, if either version of them perform better on certain platform. Think about all that backlash it would create...
(ie: if PS5 version perform better, it would mean Xbox fans would be mad that Sony's doing it intentionally... and if XSX ver perform better, it would mean Sony fans would get mad at the first party can't even do good job for their home-turf ver)
Peroroncino
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I am too lazy to update this gif to replace PC with Gamepass but you get the point.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
LoU2 MP mode. Good fit.What other games should Sony put on Gamepass day one?
I’m thinking the Horizon game would be fun.
People say Xbox gamers love shooters. And if Xbox gamers enjoy it, maybe they'll buy a PS system to play the full game!
Bryank75
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Thank you dude! I just spent the day driving around with the family and came back to nearly 100 notifications.... it was nice to see a kind comment.I actually really like reading your postsBryank75 . You are unapologetically a huge PS fan, and you don’t try to hide the fact, but you’re happy to call out when Sony are getting played/fucking up. The worst type of people on here are the happy clappers who just spin everything non-stop, even Japan Studio getting massively pruned. I hope Sony start making moves that make you happy soon
ManaByte
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You're also wrong. Cannon had the film rights. But in 1989 after Canon went under, Menahem Golan tried to revive the movie version at Carolco (that's where James Cameron became involved) and needed money so he sold the home video rights to Columbia Pictures, which Sony inherited when they bought Columbia out from under Coke that year. MGM acquired 21st Century Film Corporation and with that got all of the previous Spider-Man scripts, including Cameron's. The lawsuit you're talking about happened in 1998, but it was a year later when Sony and MGM came to an agreement where Sony would give up the Bond stuff they had (Casino Royale and Thunderball Remake The Third) in exchange for the Spider-Man film rights and scripts MGM had. It wouldn't be finalized until 2000 and Sony only really kept the Cameron script.
squarealex
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Some people have discovered a passion for baseball after the announcement of the gamepass.
Sure in USA. globally? probably this and other news last weeks will affect PS5 sales in long term. Even the Sony fanboys are realizing Jim Ryan its a incompetent.
I bet this game after today will not be strongly promoted by Sony. Maybe one tweet at release.
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