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[Topher]

18 million gamepass subs as of January. Conservatively at $5/month average, that is about $90M/month, which equates to about $1.1B/year. If Gamepass were to hit 25 million subs next year, they'd conservatively be taking in about 1.5B/year. Then you add in the individual game sales, and it's really not a stretch to think they could fully recoup this investment in under 5 years at these subscriber numbers.

Whats far more likely is that these sub numbers explode with exclusivity, and they have a recoupmeny path in less than 3 years.

But that money is going to be distributed right back out to the game publishers. Microsoft isn't making very much money on Game Pass according to Aaron Greenberg.

People do realize that all those game devs and publishers on game pass expect to get paid. Right?

 

[Andodalf]

I remember when we were called fanboys and laughed off for stating the obvious.

I remember when people wanted me banned for saying that Sony Moneyhatting Bethesda games made it clear they weren't confident in their 1st party lineup. Now it's the only games they have coming out and I look more correct than ever.

 

[Hezekiah]

Kinda sucks, but it was definitely expected. At least everything will still be on PC as well.

That's the best thing about it, it means new franchises will continue to be day and date on PC. Existing or 'legacy' franchises might be on Playstation anyway, but the only ones that interest me are Wolfenstein and Dishonoured.

 

[Hezekiah]

18 million gamepass subs as of January. Conservatively at $5/month average, that is about $90M/month, which equates to about $1.1B/year. If Gamepass were to hit 25 million subs next year, they'd conservatively be taking in about 1.5B/year. Then you add in the individual game sales, and it's really not a stretch to think they could fully recoup this investment in under 5 years at these subscriber numbers.

Whats far more likely is that these sub numbers explode with exclusivity, and they have a recoupmeny path in less than 3 years.

You are aware that the money it brings in isn't automatically profit.

Microsoft has just assumed the development and marketing costs of a number of studios.

How much do you think is being ploughed into development of Starfield or Elder Scrolls for example?

 

[Hezekiah]

I remember when people wanted me banned for saying that Sony Moneyhatting Bethesda games made it clear they weren't confident in their 1st party lineup. Now it's the only games they have coming out and I look more correct than ever.

"The only thing" they have coming out - so Returnal, Ratchet & Clank, Kena and Horizon dont exist??

 

[Bernkastel]

Says the person who has his post history hidden! lol Have a nice day hypocrite.

NeoGAF allows you to hide your profile details but it is impossible to hide your post history. You can check anyone's post history even he is perm banned or you are not logged in. ResetERA does not allow this.

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[THE DUCK]

"The only thing" they have coming out - so Returnal, Ratchet & Clank, Kena and Horizon dont exist??

Isn't Kena multiplatform and isn't horizon delayed?

 

[Andodalf]

"The only thing" they have coming out - so Returnal, Ratchet & Clank, Kena and Horizon dont exist??

Only AAA Games coming this year

 

[Hezekiah]

Isn't Kena multiplatform and isn't horizon delayed?

Kena is coming to PC at some - like every Xbox game...

Where was it confirmed Horizon is delayed, the random Twitter account?

Only AAA Games coming this year

What does Xbox have, Halo? I assume Starfield is 'nailed on' for 2021?

 

[Concern]

"The only thing" they have coming out - so Returnal, Ratchet & Clank, Kena and Horizon dont exist??

$70 indie, a timed exclusive, and Horizon has no date.

Just R & C coming thats AAA exclusive

 

[reksveks]

"The only thing" they have coming out - so Returnal, Ratchet & Clank, Kena and Horizon dont exist??

Kena ain't first party.

Kena is coming to PC at some - like every Xbox game...

At some...? You missing a word, if its supposed to be 'point' .

It's the same day as the ps4/PS5 version, August 24th.

Just being a stickler, you guys seem to be riled up about something and I cant be bothered to find out why.

 

[dcmk7]

Sure bud. I don't do the insults on a forum. Find a better way to cope. Have a nice day.

I love these self-righteous comments.

Not exactly hard to disprove.

This guy's obsession is fuckin harassment at this point. But he seems to get a pass with all the derails, insults, and shitposting he does. Don't let this fuckin turd derail this thread too.

 

[Hezekiah]

$70 indie, a timed exclusive, and Horizon has no date.

Just R & C coming thats AAA exclusive

Horizon has the same date as Halo - 2021.

No offence, perhaps you should stick to posting LOLs .

 

[abacab driver]

This is the saltiest I've ever seen this place.

At the end of the day, competition is going to bring out the best in these companies.

This generation is going to be one to remember.

 

[Concern]

Horizon has the same date as Halo - 2021.

No offence, perhaps you should stick to posting LOLs .

Sure it does. Theres no date and rumors of a delay. But keep reaching

 

[Hezekiah]

Kena ain't first party.


At some...? You missing a word, if its supposed to be 'point' .

It's the same day as the ps4/PS5 version, August 24th.

Just being a stickler, you guys seem to be riled up about something and I cant be bothered to find out why.

I think you meant to say 'you're missing' while we're being sticklers.

And I'm referring to Playstation exclusives because he said there was nothing coming which was clearly wrong.

And I'm not sure what that last sentence is about, seems like you threw that in for no reason. Plus I have a PC so if Halo for example ends up being any good, I'll buy it day one and play on 120hz ultrawide....

 

[Clear]

There advantage is also to keep the game for yourself and get people onto your eco system

And if it doesn't perform to expectation you can claw some back with a cheap port 6months to 2 years later when its value as a sales driver for the platform has dwindled to nil.

 

[Hezekiah]

Sure it does. Theres no date and rumors of a delay. But keep reaching

Ah rumours.

I heard a rumor that Starfield wont release in 2021. Let's ignore that one though .

 

[JackMcGunns]

As if clarification was needed. The only people that needed clarification were those high on the plastic of their preferred console. It's just common sense, if MS just wanted to invest 7 billion dollars without affecting where games are released, they could've just bought TESLA shares

 

[Concern]

After denial comes:
anger
bargaining
depression
acceptance

You're still in the denial stage lol.

It'll be be ok. You can play on your "monster pc"

 

[geary]

What i wonder is if the games will have 2 release date... For example gamepass exclusivity for a month and the release the version to buy them.

 

[Andodalf]

This is the saltiest I've ever seen this place.

At the end of the day, competition is going to bring out the best in these companies.

This generation is going to be one to remember.

When Sony was completely dominant their fans had super thin skin. With them falling back a step it's a living nightmare for these sad 30 Y.O.s

 

[Concern]

What i wonder is if the games will have 2 release date... For example gamepass exclusivity for a month and the release the version to buy them.

No way. Why alienate potential full price sales?

 

[Kerotan]

What happened to the we don't believe in making games exclusive lord Phil used to spout. Lmao can't believe people fell for that.

Perfect opportunity for a new IP from another publisher to steal fallout or elder scrolls thunder by launching multiplatform. A bit like how destiny stole halos thunder.

 

[Hezekiah]

You're still in the denial stage lol.

It'll be be ok. You can play on your "monster pc"

I don't why so many broke Xbox gamers can't believe a PS5 owner would have a gaming PC aswell.

Do you want to post a picture of it?

 

[driqe]

What i wonder is if the games will have 2 release date... For example gamepass exclusivity for a month and the release the version to buy them.

maybe it launches 4 days early like with gears

 

[Concern]

I don't why so many broke Xbox gamers can't believe a PS5 owner would have a gaming PC aswell.

Do you want to post a picture of it?

Another fanboy trying to dig into personal attacks since he cant have a discussion like an adult .



That's why that fanboy poll had Sony fanboys win by a landslide.

 

[supraman1120]

You are aware that the money it brings in isn't automatically profit.

Microsoft has just assumed the development and marketing costs of a number of studios.

How much do you think is being ploughed into development of Starfield or Elder Scrolls for example?

Investment recoupment napkin math is what I am doing. Really not a stretch to envision near full recoupment in 5 years.

 

[reksveks]

I think you meant to say 'you're missing' while we're being sticklers.

And I'm referring to Playstation exclusives because he said there was nothing coming which was clearly wrong.

And I'm not sure what that last sentence is about, seems like you threw that in for no reason. Plus I have a PC so if Halo for example ends up being any good, I'll buy it day one and play on 120hz ultrawide....

Cheers for that, I should have used "you're" but genuinely wasn't 100% sure what word was missing.

Secondly Andodalf was referring to first party line up and then you responded with a games that isn't first party. Personally think the sony first party line up is okay, not as good as Sony made out to be in the launch event (kinda thought they knew a couple of games were going to be delayed)

Regarding my last sentence, I was referring to the 'weird' quotes and prompt replies between Concern, yourself and a number of other members in the last hour. Personally think this topic has run its course in terms of interesting or useful comments until the next set of conferences in E3.

 

[driqe]

What happened to the we don't believe in making games exclusive lord Phil used to spout. Lmao can't believe people fell for that.

Perfect opportunity for a new IP from another publisher to steal fallout or elder scrolls thunder by launching multiplatform. A bit like how destiny stole halos thunder.

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Yeah. Like, I have to imagine someone will at least try to fill that void, right? It's really hard for me to imagine that nobody will try, given that ES and Fallout have sold tens of millions of units on Playstation and the user base will never be getting those again. But it's probably going...

www.resetera.com

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Well... in 10 years since Skyrim literally nobody else has even tried to replicate that kind of game (other than Bethesda themselves with Fallout 4, but I found that entry to be disappointing). Obviously someone else could, but nobody is. And with the time it would take to set up a team for...

www.resetera.com

This guy explains it pretty well

 

[Concern]

Cheers for that, I should have used "you're" but genuinely wasn't 100% sure what word was missing.

Secondly Andodalf was referring to first party line up and then you responded with a games that isn't first party. Personally think the sony first party line up is okay, not as good as Sony made out to be in the launch event (kinda thought they knew a couple of games were going to be delayed)

Regarding my last sentence, I was referring to the 'weird' quotes and prompt replies between Concern, yourself and a number of other members in the last hour. Personally think this topic has run its course in terms of interesting or useful comments until the next set of conferences in E3.

I said it awhile ago. This discussion is officially dead. We're just seeing the denial phase and coping right now.

That's why we're even seeing "list wars" now

 

[supraman1120]

But that money is going to be distributed right back out to the game publishers. Microsoft isn't making very much money on Game Pass according to Aaron Greenberg.

People do realize that all those game devs and publishers on game pass expect to get paid. Right?

This is a revenue-based recoupment exercise. Profitability is a significant lagging indicator with subscription-based revenue investment. Why the dots are so difficult to connect when we have multiple similar models currently in market (Netflix, Disney+, etc) is bewildering to me. There is HUGE investment required to build a sustainable PaaS, and we will continue to see Xbox invest into this because unlike individual game sales, this is recurring revenue. This will become immensely profitable for MS over time IF they continue to build a must-have platform.

 

[Burythelight]

But that money is going to be distributed right back out to the game publishers. Microsoft isn't making very much money on Game Pass according to Aaron Greenberg.

People do realize that all those game devs and publishers on game pass expect to get paid. Right?

Too much thinking for xbox fanbase..

 

[Hezekiah]

Another fanboy trying to dig into personal attacks since he cant have a discussion like an adult .



That's why that fanboy poll had Sony fanboys win by a landslide.

8700k CPU, 16GB CORSAIR RAM @3000mhz, Nvidia 1070ti GPU, Samsung 980 Pro 1tb SSD, Asus ROG Strix Helios case. Alienware 3420DW Monitor.

When I get my new card, if I decide to buy any of the non-buggy Bethesda games I'll be playing them with higher performance than you anyway . GamePass is a no because a lot of them don't interest me, and I only have a finite amount of time for gaming.

Too many bitter Xboys on this thread like you. I think because they you've had little to no decent exclusives for so long, they're treating this deal as the second coming. Truth is, we need to see how Microsoft copes with these new studios, and hope they don't damage some of these franchises as they have with Gears and Halo.


EDIT: I even have an Xbox controller, so that should make you guys feel good about yourselves right?

 

[MaulerX]

Yap get a Series X and GP. that's the cue for all you delusionals.

or try to bug jimbo to allow GPU xcloud on ps5.

Yep. They'll probably be able to access Game Pass via the web browser when MS makes XCloud available thru the web.

Problem is Sony probably knows this. Which explains why technically there is no browser on the PS5. You can access the web thru some link following shortcuts but that's it.

 

[reksveks]

Yep. They'll probably be able to access Game Pass via the web browser when MS makes XCloud available thru the web.

Problem is Sony probably knows this. Which explains why technically there is no browser on the PS5. You can access the web thru some link following shortcuts but that's it.

Nah, the reason is cause the browser is typically how they get hacked.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Game Pass Ultimate gives you access to not only the console and PC versions, but also xCloud. This is uncle Phil's master plan for what to do with all that MS cash: Netflix of Games, baby. It's the best deal in gaming, bar none. Especially with the recently added EA Play and Bethesda games.

 

[Concern]

8700k CPU, 16GB CORSAIR RAM @3000mhz, Nvidia 1070ti GPU, Samsung 980 Pro 1tb SSD, Asus ROG Strix Helios case. Alienware 3420DW Monitor.

When I get my new card, if I decide to buy any of the non-buggy Bethesda games I'll be playing them with higher performance than you anyway . GamePass is a no because a lot of them don't interest me, and I only have a finite amount of time for gaming.

Too many bitter Xboys on this thread like you. I think because they you've little to no decent exclusives for so long, they're treating this deal as the second coming. Truth is, we need to see how Microsoft copes with these new studios, and hope they don't damage some of these franchises as they have with Gears and Halo.


EDIT: I even have an Xbox controller, so that should make you guys feel good about yourselves right?

Only one who seems bitter is you guys on here insulting people and trying to impress people with a pc picture lol. I don't care for pc, i keep to consoles. So no im not impressed

 

[Shmunter]

Yep. They'll probably be able to access Game Pass via the web browser when MS makes XCloud available thru the web.

Problem is Sony probably knows this. Which explains why technically there is no browser on the PS5. You can access the web thru some link following shortcuts but that's it.

It’s quite easy actually. You just send a URL via a ps message from, d.g the phone and the site opens. You can even pin it while gaming.

 

[supraman1120]

Too much thinking for xbox fanbase..

Maybe you can chew on my response to him and reply with more of your poor sentence structure?

"This is a revenue-based recoupment exercise. Profitability is a significant lagging indicator with subscription-based revenue investment. Why the dots are so difficult to connect when we have multiple similar models currently in market (Netflix, Disney+, etc) is bewildering to me. There is HUGE investment required to build a sustainable PaaS, and we will continue to see Xbox invest into this because unlike individual game sales, this is recurring revenue. This will become immensely profitable for MS over time IF they continue to build a must-have platform."

 

[phil_t98]

And if it doesn't perform to expectation you can claw some back with a cheap port 6months to 2 years later when its value as a sales driver for the platform has dwindled to nil.

not gonna happen, you don’t see any Sony game that’s not sold as well as it should going over to Xbox.

 

[Hezekiah]

Only one who seems bitter is you guys on here insulting people and trying to impress people with a pc picture lol. I don't care for pc, i keep to consoles. So no im not impressed

At least I didn't call you a broke bitch .

And I definitely wasn't trying to impress you, just pointing that you can hallelujah all you like about this Bethesda deal, I have the freedom to play what I want anyway. Makes no difference to me. And a lot of people don't care about many of these games. Keep that in mind while you go around acting bolshy about a figgin' corporate deal, and reacting with LOLs to anyone who doesn't share your contorted world view.

 

[Topher]

This is a revenue-based recoupment exercise. Profitability is a significant lagging indicator with subscription-based revenue investment. Why the dots are so difficult to connect when we have multiple similar models currently in market (Netflix, Disney+, etc) is bewildering to me. There is HUGE investment required to build a sustainable PaaS, and we will continue to see Xbox invest into this because unlike individual game sales, this is recurring revenue. This will become immensely profitable for MS over time IF they continue to build a must-have platform.

I was replying to a post that was saying Game Pass would deliver $1 billion dollar annual profits as of this year.

 

[phil_t98]

I was replying to a post that was saying Game Pass would deliver $1 billion dollar annual profits as of this year.

turn over maybe

 

[Concern]

At least I didn't call you a broke bitch .

And I definitely wasn't trying to impress you, just pointing that you can hallelujah all you like about this Bethesda deal, I have the freedom to play what I want anyway. Makes no difference to me. And a lot of people don't care about many of these games. Keep that in mind while you go around acting bolshy about a figgin' corporate deal, and reacting with LOLs to anyone who doesn't share your contorted world view.

As do I. I can build a pc as well. But the best part is I really don't care about this deal. Only games I've played from Zenimax were the first Wolfenstein and both EW. But watching the crow be served after all the trolling you guys did over this deal, has been quite a spectacle lol.

 

[reksveks]

turn over maybe

gamepass profit and revenue isn't so clearly the success metric of gamepass when it can lead to increases to other revenue and revenue related in other ways like increased mtx or game sales.

 

[phil_t98]

gamepass profit and revenue isn't so clearly the success metric of gamepass when it can lead to increases to other revenue and revenue related in other ways like increased mtx or game sales.

yeah of coarse there is always going to be game sales but the post I was responding to was about gamepass, I said maybe 1 billion turnover maybe this year

 

[reksveks]

yeah of coarse there is always going to be game sales but the post I was responding to was about gamepass, I said maybe 1 billion turnover maybe this year

I think a billion in turnover seems possible based off the current subscription numbers.

Has anyone on the internet estimated the number of xbox all access plans there are? I wonder what that does for companies like npd.

 

[FStubbs]

When Sony was completely dominant their fans had super thin skin. With them falling back a step it's a living nightmare for these sad 30 Y.O.s

Sony still is completely dominant. They've only ever lost 1 console race to Nintendo and have never lost to Microsoft.

 

[phil_t98]

I think a billion in turnover seems possible based off the current subscription numbers.

Has anyone on the internet estimated the number of xbox all access plans there are? I wonder what that does for companies like npd.

Access plans?

if you look at the numbers they posting on user base for gamepass then this year unless there is a drip it will most certainly hit a billion