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[DaGwaphics]

Just because they chose to not use their total control in order to pull Deathloop and Ghostwire from Playstation, it doesn't mean they don't have it. They still do.

IKR, if they aren't in control, who is at this point? The illuminati I guess.

 

[FrankWza]

trying to downplay the fact that Bethesda is First party studio in the same way as naughty dog is for Sony.

I don’t think I’ve seen that. I think their catalog and history are what the difference is. They have a few established IPs that have traditionally been on multiple consoles. They are known as multiplat games. I wouldn’t apply that same logic to new IPs they create. But traditionally, they are fallout and ES and they have been released on multiple consoles. For studios like tango, releasing the evil within 3 on PS makes sense as well.

Just because they chose to not use their total control in order to pull Deathloop and Ghostwire from Playstation, it doesn't mean they don't have it. They still do.

that’s exactly what it means. They can buy back control by not releasing the games and pay the fees associated and regain control. As of now, they have no control over Deathloop and Ghostwire releasing on PS5. Maybe more titles we don’t know about.

 

[Interfectum]

They’re not. They are contractually obligated to release certain games that we know of and possibly some we don’t. They can go into their pockets and break those contracts but they’re not doing that. Meanwhile, Sony gets at least 2 new releases exclusively on their system courtesy of Microsoft and zenimax. When you factor in how covid has put the clamps on game development and people are clamoring for new games, those 2 games are an even bigger get for Sony. Microsoft had an opportunity to flex their financial muscles there too and they didn’t so I’d ease up on the total control narrative.

They have total control they just aren't flexing it there. They'll flex when they feel they need to otherwise they'll just profit from every platform.

 

[Robb]

I think "some" implies that 'games as a service' games may go multiplat. The games that already have contracts in place will obviously also release on the platforms stated in the contract. And I doubt they will pull away any games that have already been released on other platforms.

The heavy hitters will probably be exclusive though. I am not expecting ES6, Starfield, next Dishonored, next Doom, next Wolfenstein etc. to release on Playstation. Just as I do not expect Hellblade 2 to release on Playstation. Or The Outer Worlds 2. Or Avowed..

I always see people using Minecraft as an example, but thats obviously the exception rather than the norm.

Those are just my thoughts though.

 

[mckmas8808]

"Some"

I still think the heavy hitters will be multi-plat.

Pretty much. It's best for MS to do it this way. The smaller more unique titles will be Xbox exclusives. Starfield will not be.

 

[Sybrix]

Only a matter of time before PS games come to PC..... imagine a time when you can play PS and Xbox games on one system.....................

Spoiler

 

[MonarchJT]

Wait, what? Steam userbase =/= Xbox user base.

You know Xbox earns the same amount of money from Steam that they'd earn when they put games on Nintendo and PlayStation?

First of all we do not know the type of contract signed by Ms and Steam.Second, Steam is definitely part of Ms user reach whenever releases their games on Steam. Like any other developer that release on Steam. Do they earn a little less? Likely, but believe me adding 120+ million users (in 2020) to your reach is worth it lol. After calculate something like from 50 (minimum) to 80 (we don't know if it will.sell more than that) for xbox consoles then add some millons ..3 or 4? for xcloud. And then let me know how much ps5 do you think sony will sell

 

[DaGwaphics]

They have total control they just aren't flexing it there. They'll flex when they feel they need to otherwise they'll just profit from every platform.

True.

Hey, if the plan is to purchase these profitable publishers and to leave things as is but put everything on GP, I can be down with that as a GP user.

 

[Interfectum]

Pretty much. It's best for MS to do it this way. The smaller more unique titles will be Xbox exclusives. Starfield will not be.

Since Phil is so focused on Game Pass the exclusive games may be the ones that would never survive retail and could only exist on a service like GP. Big tentpole games get released everywhere with possible Xbox exclusive content + GP to lure gamers over.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

that’s exactly what it means. They can buy back control by not releasing the games and pay the fees associated and regain control. As of now, they have no control over Deathloop and Ghostwire releasing on PS5. Maybe more titles we don’t know about.

You're contradicting yourself. Them being able to "buy back control" means they're in control. They are just choosing not to use it. I assume Sony paid decent money to Bethesda (now Microsoft) to gain exclusivity, and both games aren't really high profile so "buying back control" is probably not worth it.

 

[Interfectum]

You're contradicting yourself. Them being able to "buy back control" means they're in control. They are just choosing not to use it. I assume Sony paid decent money to Bethesda (now Microsoft) to gain exclusivity, and both games aren't really high profile so "buying back control" is probably not worth it.

Those games being released at $70 a pop will make Game Pass look great next year when they are simply added to the service when the contract ends. There is no reason to fight over Deathloop, game will bomb anyway.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Those games being released at $70 a pop will make Game Pass look great next year when they are simply added to the service when the contract ends. There is no reason to fight over Deathloop, game will bomb anyway.

IDK if it will bomb but it's certainly gonna be niche. I'd be very surprised if it sells more than 2 million copies.

 

[MonarchJT]

I don’t think I’ve seen that. I think their catalog and history are what the difference is. They have a few established IPs that have traditionally been on multiple consoles. They are known as multiplat games. I wouldn’t apply that same logic to new IPs they create. But traditionally, they are fallout and ES and they have been released on multiple consoles. For studios like tango, releasing the evil within 3 on PS makes sense as well.

And ? final fantasy was a nintendo game we know how it gone and how now people associate it more to playstation. The past is the past and the games that will be released in the future are an ABSOLUTE property of Microsoft and it is clear that they will use them to improve their platform. Sony has no word about it.

 

[MonarchJT]

Pretty much. It's best for MS to do it this way. The smaller more unique titles will be Xbox exclusives. Starfield will not be.

More the opposite, let's wait e3 for the laugh

 

[FrankWza]

They have total control they just aren't flexing it there. They'll flex when they feel they need to otherwise they'll just profit from every platform.

Ah, they’re just strategizing after spending 7.5 billion when they supposedly have so much money they find billions in their couch cushions. This would certainly be a time to flex those muscles imo. No new games coming out and gamepass subs to sell.

You're contradicting yourself. Them being able to "buy back control" means they're in control. They are just choosing not to use it. I assume Sony paid decent money to Bethesda (now Microsoft) to gain exclusivity, and both games aren't really high profile so "buying back control" is probably not worth it.

I’m not. They are. They just spent 7.5 billion. What’s the big deal? Break the contract and take the games away from Sony. Better yet, make them come out on xbox only too. They’re not doing that. They’re skimping after a big purchase and watching PS release to exclusives in a time when any releases on next gen are much highly sought after. Doesn’t look like they’re in control of much there.

 

[DarkMage619]

Since Phil is so focused on Game Pass the exclusive games may be the ones that would never survive retail and could only exist on a service like GP. Big tentpole games get released everywhere with possible Xbox exclusive content + GP to lure gamers over.

The opposite makes more sense. Big tent pole games are more likely to get people on Gamepass. Why give people a chance to play outside of their ecosystem? Smaller or unknown IP should get multi-platform release to increase chances to profit and give it more accessibility.

 

[On Demand]

Microsoft has no say in the Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo deal on PS5. It was made before MS bought Bethesda. You can’t change signed contracts. Phil Spencer is playing the usual good guy PR game saying “we’ll honer the deal.” There’s no choice.


Xbox has to wait until 2022 to get those games and there’s nothing MS can do about it.

 

[Interfectum]

Ah, they’re just strategizing after spending 7.5 billion when they supposedly have so much money they find billions in their couch cushions. This would certainly be a time to flex those muscles imo. No new games coming out and gamepass subs to sell.

I’m not. They are. They just spent 7.5 billion. What’s the big deal? Break the contract and take the games away from Sony. Better yet, make them come out on xbox only too. They’re not doing that. They’re skimping after a big purchase and watching PS release to exclusives in a time when any releases on next gen are much highly sought after. Doesn’t look like they’re in control of much there.

You are thinking way too short term. They are not. These games are irrelevant to their plans and have no effect on the $7.5 billion purchase.

 

[FritzJ92]

Wait, what? Steam userbase =/= Xbox user base.

You know Xbox earns the same amount of money from Steam that they'd earn when they put games on Nintendo and PlayStation?

The cost of development is very different. A game on steam is coming from an Xbox build. Switch and PS will require extra dev time and added resources so it’s not as simple as 30%. That’s why I doubt more expensive games will be on PS5.

 

[Interfectum]

The opposite makes more sense. Big tent pole games are more likely to get people on Gamepass. Why give people a chance to play outside of their ecosystem? Smaller or unknown IP should get multi-platform release to increase chances to profit and give it more accessibility.

Nah, it'll be like the Disney+ model. Big movies go to theaters, shows like Wandavision stay exclusive to the service. The idea would be to profit off the tentpole everywhere plus lure people into the service telling them they could have got said tentpole for 'free' had they just subscribed.

 

[MonarchJT]

If people really think ps5 will see Starfield same day as xbox IF EVER are still living in denial imho

 

[FritzJ92]

Microsoft has no say in the Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo deal on PS5. It was made before MS bought Bethesda. You can’t change signed contracts. Phil Spencer is playing the usual good guy PR game saying “we’ll honer the deal.” There’s no choice.


Xbox has to wait until 2022 to get those games and there’s nothing MS can do about it.

He has a choice. There is always a way to break a contract.

 

[FrankWza]

And ? final fantasy was a nintendo game we know how it gone and how now people associate it more to playstation. The past is the past and the games that will be released in the future are an ABSOLUTE property of Microsoft and it is clear that they will use them to improve their platform. Sony has no word about it.

I don’t what this has to do with what I posted. You’re talking about perception and naughty dog. You’re trying to flex on behalf of something that may or may not happen. Doesn’t change the fact that you can buy ES, fallout or evil within and play them right now, today, in a PS console. You can’t play GT or GoW or Uncharted on an xbox. That’s it. That’s the difference. Shit, you can’t play deathloop on an xbox until you have permission but you can soon on a PS and they own the studio.

 

[K' Dash]

Reading all the hate is delicious.

Excuse me while I choose what Bethesda game to play next on Game Pass.

 

[On Demand]

He has a choice. There is always a way to break a contract.

It’s not that simple. There would be tons of legality issues to go through.

MS did not make that deal, Bethesda did. Just because they own them doesn’t mean they can change already signed contracts so easily.

 

[FrankWza]

You are thinking way too short term. They are not. These games are irrelevant to their plans and have no effect on the $7.5 billion purchase.

I’m not thinking about any plans. Just that they don’t have total control. They now own the company and cannot control where the games are released. Deathloop and Ghostwire will release on PS5. There are no exclusives on xbox series x. This is an amazing opportunity during a time where covid is restricting game development for them to have their 7.5 billion dollar purchase begin to pay dividends. They’re not exercising their ability to do that. All it would cost them is money. So they don’t have total control

 

[MonarchJT]

I don’t what this has to do with what I posted. You’re talking about perception and naughty dog. You’re trying to flex on behalf of something that may or may not happen. Doesn’t change the fact that you can buy ES, fallout or evil within and play them right now, today, in a PS console. You can’t play GT or GoW or Uncharted on an xbox. That’s it. That’s the difference. Shit, you can’t play deathloop on an xbox until you have permission but you can soon on a PS and they own the studio.

and you will not play NEXT xxx game that was from Bethesda on playstation. NEXT game isn't the one that could buy. That's it. And trust me If people really want that game they know how to get it.
Deathloop contract is old as the one of tokyow. If you truly think PlayStation users and their platform will be treated as Xbox equals you are either crazy or trolling. and I say honestly

 

[FritzJ92]

It’s not that simple. There would be tons of legality issues to go through.

MS did not make that deal, Bethesda did. Just because they own them doesn’t mean they can change already signed contracts so easily.

So again. They have a choice. They elect n not to exercise the choice but they have a choice.

 

[FrankWza]

and you will not play next xxx game that was from Bethesda on playstation Next game isn't the one that could buy. That's it. And trust me If people really want that game they know how to get it.
Deathloop contract is old as the one of tokyow. If you truly think PlayStation users and their platform will be treated as Xbox equals you are either crazy or trolling. and I say honestly

I think you’ve gone to a different place. You’re jumping around

 

[On Demand]

Reading all the hate is delicious.

Excuse me while I choose what Bethesda game to play next on Game Pass.

I just hope all this celebrating of the industry getting smaller it’s used in the same energy when Sony eventually follows suit and more players lose access to games they’ve been playing.

 

[Bernkastel]

In other words, you’re completely speculating and have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Got it. Same as @BeardGawd

So are you.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I’m not. They are. They just spent 7.5 billion. What’s the big deal? Break the contract and take the games away from Sony. Better yet, make them come out on xbox only too. They’re not doing that. They’re skimping after a big purchase and watching PS release to exclusives in a time when any releases on next gen are much highly sought after. Doesn’t look like they’re in control of much there.

That's my point. Just the fact that they can break the contract if they want to means they're in control. And the "big deal" is that they'd be burning money and business relationships for no good reason.

 

[K' Dash]

I just hope all this celebrating of the industry getting smaller it’s used in the same energy when Sony eventually follows suit and more players lose access to games they’ve been playing.

They've been doing it for years...

Also, Sony doesn't have the pockets to do an investment like that lol, I mean, they could go all in and risk losing everything.

For MS doing a 7.5 billion investment is just another Tuesday.

 

[FrankWza]

Reading all the hate is delicious.

Excuse me while I choose what Bethesda game to play next on Game Pass.

You mean REplay? They’re all older titles. Aren’t they?

So are you.

not ONE bit. When it comes to the MLB situation on consoles you are completely wrong. Sony wasn’t forced to do anything. Microsoft or Nintendo could have made an MLB game whenever they were capable. That time never came. Sony allowed the game to be on xbox because they didn’t want MLB to take FIRST PARTY exclusivity away and give 3rd party an opportunity to make a game again.

 

[On Demand]

So again. They have a choice. They elect n not to exercise the choice but they have a choice.

No because that choice is not there’s to make and exercising ownership after the fact would be dumb and get them into a lot of legal troubles.

The deal is with Sony and Bethesda.

 

[Bernkastel]

not ONE bit. When it comes to the MLB situation on consoles you are completely wrong. Sony wasn’t forced to do anything. Microsoft or Nintendo could have made an MLB game whenever they were capable. That time never came. Sony allowed the game to be on xbox because they didn’t want MLB to take FIRST PARTY exclusivity away and give 3rd party an opportunity to make a game again.

You are really trying hard to make it sound like this actually happened.

 

[MonarchJT]

I think you’ve gone to a different place. You’re jumping around

No I'm just saying that what those games were in the past has nothing (absolutely zero) to do with what new versions of those games will be in the future. Horizon launched as a PlayStation exclusive it is now multi. The opposite can happen, you know ?. And as I said, there is no difference between what naughty dogs (or whatever other first party studio) are for Sony and what Bethesda is for Ms. Microsoft decides what's best for its platform and won't favor Sony, and Sony can't do anything about it.Just the fact that this was already a popular multi-platform publisher should make you understand that the acquisition will be used to leverage the platform and not to treat other rival platforms as equals. Everyone is free to think how they want but I am sure that E3 will be a cold shower for those who expect ms not to use Bethesda against Sony. Especially when the agreements made prior to the acquisition are concluded

 

[FrankWza]

That's my point. Just the fact that they can break the contract if they want to means they're in control. And the "big deal" is that they'd be burning money and business relationships for no good reason.

Hahaha. What “relationship”? they own the company. Who’s going to get mad at Microsoft? Bethesda? Why would they? They just possibly overpaid for a bunch of studios. The narrative here for months has been that 7.5 billion was pocket change for them. Now what, they’re gonna balk at legal fees and breaking a contract to protect their brand and have exclusives in a time where they have absolutely nothing exclusively on their new consoles? Sure.

 

[On Demand]

They've been doing it for years...

Also, Sony doesn't have the pockets to do an investment like that lol, I mean, they could go all in and risk losing everything.

For MS doing a 7.5 billion investment is just another Tuesday.

Organically growing your studios vs buying 3rds party developers and publishers is not the same. Don’t know how many times this has to be said.

Sony can buy developers. Acquisitions is not always in the form of cash.

 

[FrankWza]

You are really trying hard to make it sound like this actually happened.

It 100% happened. When you say Sony was “forced” is an example of someone trying too hard. Look it up. Then you can come back and admit you were wrong

 

[Gatox]

It’s not that simple. There would be tons of legality issues to go through.

MS did not make that deal, Bethesda did. Just because they own them doesn’t mean they can change already signed contracts so easily.

Exactly, literally the only way they could break that contract is if Sony agreed to it.

 

[FactoryOfDeception]

Well, duh. I don't see how it makes sense to spend that much money and not have them be exclusive. Then again I am an idiot.

 

[MonarchJT]

Well, duh. I don't see how it makes sense to spend that much money and not have them be exclusive. Then again I am an idiot.

Most will be exclusive in facts

 

[Bernkastel]

It 100% happened. When you say Sony was “forced” is an example of someone trying to hard. Look it up l. Then you can come back and admit you were wrong

It 100% happened.

You come up with delusions to fit your narrative and then ask others to prove themselves.

 

[NullZ3r0]

In related news, Disney Plus crossed 100 million subscribers in 16 months. I wonder how they did it. Surely it couldn't be awesome original content that can't be watched anywhere else. I'm sure Phil Spencer and Satya Nadella are looking at this news and saying, "Geez, I wish we could do that with GamePass. Too bad we have to port our games to Playstation because there's just too much money on the table."

I wonder how many subscribers Disney+ would have if they left all of their properties on competing services due to "muh money on the table".

 

[phil_t98]

Final devkits were out for both in June 2020...

And the MS guy never replied the question... just keep the PR... I tried even explain to him that it was not the feature set (because the GPU can do everything RDNA 2 can) but the silicon parts choose to made the GPU not being all RDNA 2 but old parts and he started the “I’m expert” lol

I just laughed and left because if he won’t reply the question why he come to talk with me? To spread the same PR nonsense? He should have better things to do instead to waste my time.

He did reply you just choose to ignore what he said and like i said here i showed you articles about xbox dev kits going out late but again you choose to ignore them because it doesn’t fit you agrenda

 

[FrankWza]

You come up with delusions to fit your narrative and then ask others to prove themselves.

This isn’t the xbox ot where you can post things and be applauded. If you make a false statement like you made, you’re getting called out. If you want to continue to be uninformed then by all means, stay ignorant. But saying Sony was forced by MLB to release the show on Xbox is about as accurate as saying companies are forced to release games during the holidays to maximize sales. Microsoft should be happy Sony is allowing it because xbox gamers get a quality baseball game this year instead of waiting for EA to make them one. They had 15 years to make an MLB game and didn’t or couldn’t.

 

[D-Dude]

I agree more or less. I have a Series X and a Switch. I don't like Sony games so I currently have no reason to have that big ugly thing taking up room in my gaming space, but if Sony had bought Bethesda that would change my opinion on owning a PS5 drastically. I'd just have to figure out some way to hide it

Really? Like non of them? The ps5 grew on me, but then I hid it behind my tv for a while. Going the buy the XsX next week from a friend, with a year gp ultimate for €549.. is it a good deal or? Need some xbox inside

 

[FrankWza]

In related news, Disney Plus crossed 100 million subscribers in 16 months. I wonder how they did it. Surely it couldn't be awesome original content that can't be watched anywhere else. I'm sure Phil Spencer and Satya Nadella are looking at this news and saying, "Geez, I wish we could do that with GamePass. Too bad we have to port our games to Playstation because there's just too much money on the table."

I wonder how many subscribers Disney+ would have if they left all of their properties on competing services due to "muh money on the table".

Right. It was the alien franchise and the fantastic four that did it. Cant stream those anywhere else. Just pop in your ultra hd disc instead.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Hahaha. What “relationship”? they own the company. Who’s going to get mad at Microsoft? Bethesda? Why would they? They just possibly overpaid for a bunch of studios. The narrative here for months has been that 7.5 billion was pocket change for them. Now what, they’re gonna balk at legal fees and breaking a contract to protect their brand and have exclusives in a time where they have absolutely nothing exclusively on their new consoles? Sure.

What you're describing is still a choice, thus, they still have control over their choices. LOL

They are choosing not to bother with that, as they have done with all their other acquisitions.