StreetsofBeige
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Wont Sony ad Nintendo make more money releasing their first party games on other platforms?
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Xbox Will Reportedly Hold An Event Related To Bethesda Next Month
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12Dannu123
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Part of Nadella's pay is based on Game Pass subscribers, so putting games on PS without a way to subscribe to Game Pass on the console is moot.
mortal
Gold Member
Man fanboys really have their egos invested in this Bethesda exclusivity deal...
I do wonder what the reactions would be if TES VI & Starfield were to release on PS5 at some point?
If they end up never coming to PS5, it's really not the end of the world. Folks can just get a Series X | S or Gamepass on PC if they're dying to play those titles I suppose.
I just hope the financial and technical support from Microsoft will dramatically improve the quality of Bethesda titles from what we've had previously, multi-platform or not.
As a side note, it's kind of funny how some people magically forget the past couple of Bethesda games were ridden with bugs and shitty micro-transactions, simply because Microsoft bought them.
At the end of the day, I really couldn't care less if a game is platform exclusive, timed exclusive, or whatever. So long as I get a solid and enjoyable gaming experience out of it.
I do wonder what the reactions would be if TES VI & Starfield were to release on PS5 at some point?
If they end up never coming to PS5, it's really not the end of the world. Folks can just get a Series X | S or Gamepass on PC if they're dying to play those titles I suppose.
I just hope the financial and technical support from Microsoft will dramatically improve the quality of Bethesda titles from what we've had previously, multi-platform or not.
As a side note, it's kind of funny how some people magically forget the past couple of Bethesda games were ridden with bugs and shitty micro-transactions, simply because Microsoft bought them.
At the end of the day, I really couldn't care less if a game is platform exclusive, timed exclusive, or whatever. So long as I get a solid and enjoyable gaming experience out of it.
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Exact. the only reason Nadella and all of Microsoft agreed to spend all this money on acquisitions (not just Bethesda's) is because of gamepass. All of those acquisitions serve to make the service a must have and to ensure a roll in of games.
Fredrik
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Well yeah I don’t see why. More potential customers, more money, no?
In this thread it seems like you somehow make more money if you keep the games away from the consumers...
Fredrik
Member
They make more money now on PC when the games are on Steam, so what’s different with consoles?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I think that’s the idea, you can’t play them elsewhere so you have to get a Microsoft platform to play them, and in terms of development when they are developing for less platforms they have nt spread themselves thinly across a variety of consoles
Being on half the platforms should be a big help to eliminate bugs. Just supporting the PC and series s-x should make life much easier especially with a new unified development kit.
prinz_valium
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Its mostly about the bottom line and not top line.
MTX and add-on content heavy GAAS would benefit from a bigger user base and make more profits on as many platforms as possible.
But big AAA Single player games benefit way more as exclusive if they get a player that way in their ecosystem.
So Starfield will never come to PS5 and the next Fallout and TES probably neither.
But Fallout 76, TESO and Minecraft on Playstation is money for shareholders
FrankWza
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What does the amount of views have to do with it being an original or not? There’s no goalposts in the sport I’m referring to. Nothing is getting moved. You all just flock to a comment without reading and the conversation shifts
NullZ3r0
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They make more money by having tens of millions of people paying $10-15 per month. shareholders love annual recurring revenue. Everyone does. Its difficult to buy anything now that doesnt have a subscription.
If it doesn't sell GP subscriptions, it won't happen.
FrankWza
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It just won’t be an original IP. That’s the point I was making. It isn’t halo and it probably never will be as far as its association
NullZ3r0
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The problem with that is that you wouldn't have any option but to buy a PlayStation console. With MS their games show up day and date for PC. If your PC is too weak, you can stream it on mobile and soon in your browser.
a reboot will fix everything
Andodalf
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Lmk how many ps5 users are using Gamepass to play their fav games on ps5
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Why on earth would you want others to not play a game just because the box they use is different?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
the amount of views is important to how big a franchise is, same with games. The more it sells the more important they become.
The fact the franchise has a massive following will make people jump ship to another platform that holds exclusivity to it. If stranger things jumped to PRIME do you not think they would get a massive boost in install base?
it’s as simple as that
FrankWza
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And it will always be a Netflix original that was purchased by Amazon
FrankWza
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Maybe. But each franchise? It will take 2 installments which is 2 console generations if they release every 5-7 years.
honestly this is the last of the problems cmon
Years? Starfield is expected to release this year.. Wolf 3 is likely releasing soon too.
I didn't know that MS owned Crystal Dynamics and the Tomb Raider IP lol.
FrankWza
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I didn’t say it was a problem. Again, this goes back to the ridiculous question asked often like “why doesn’t sony release GoW on Nintendo or why doesn’t Msoft release halo on PS. Those are original IPs and brand associated. That’s it.
starfield is a new IP. Doesn’t apply to the point because it’s never been released on any console.
... You were claiming that Xbox exclusive Bethesda games won't be coming out soon, so Sony fans don't have to be worried. And you brought up Deathloop and Ghostwire, which are also new IPs...
FrankWza
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You think? I don’t know. Long shot. Have they shown anything besides a picture?
SoloKingRobert
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When Microsoft announces Starfield and Elder Scrolls exclusive to Xbox/Windows platform
phil_t98
#SonyToo
no it would now be Amazon owned. Is avengers solely a Marvel production? No it’s Disney. Star Wars is Disney , Fox is now Disney. They are all owned by Disney
Salty Popsicle
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It's simple, Nintendo and Sony must agree to integrate Xbox GamePass into their respective console ecosystems or their consumers can go without Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, Wolfenstein, and all other Zenimax properties for the foreseeable future.
FrankWza
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And none originally made by Disney or developed by Disney. They bought franchises and characters that have been around for decades. I know I personally don’t think of Disney when I think of marvel or Star Wars. Alien franchise ? Come on. It will take, IMO, 2 releases minimum for people to start associating fallout with Xbox the way halo and master chief are. It’s not a negative, it’s just the way it is. Again, I’m just saying that when the argument of exclusives goes towards the halo and Mario and uncharted. It’s not the same. Ownership does not cement brand association. It takes time and there’s no guarantee.
firegamer273
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give me some info on that sweet ass starfield.
Not that big of a longshot when reliable insiders are claiming that as of a few months ago 2021 was the target.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
when I think of any of them now I think of Disney, they are all available on my Disney+ subscription. Once these games go Xbox and PC people will get used to it. Remember Spider-Man being a multi console game? Now people think Spider-Man they think PS
abacab driver
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Looking forward to this event.
12Dannu123
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Because a PC is an open platform. A Steam user can be easily converted to a Game Pass subscriber, so there is no harm in putting games on Steam. PS doesn't have that ease.
Lol Microsoft is not converting any steam users. They are just as hardened as any other warrior they are just in denial about it. That is why the pc was a foolish market for Microsoft to try. Your paying 30% to lord gaben and getting very few full priced sales as pc gamers are the cheapest out there. They love to drop 1k on a video card but 49.99 for a game damn greedy corporations were is that Russian vpn for a 15 dollar version.
I've never wanted a game I know absolutely nothing about more badly than I do Starfield. If it's TES/Fallout in space they already have my money.
Fredrik
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None but Steam users aren’t using Gamepass to play their fav games on PC either.
Easily? lol
But fair enough it’ll be harder on PS so I can accept that argument.
I’m mostly thinking that we wouldn’t have heard any comment about first and best on Xbox if they had no plans to release the games elsewhere. What were they referring to with those comments in that case?
Here is the thing steam releases take no development resources like a ps5 version that makes the series x version worse. They are spreading development over more platforms.
First and better could mean service games that will still be multiplatform like elder scrolls online will get content first on Microsoft platforms and get exclusive content like special skins or missions.
Fredrik
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It would need some resources for sure, the Windows Store and Steam versions aren’t the same.
I agree that a PS5 version would need more resources though since the hardware is different and Bethesda studios are using their own engines.
But who knows they might’ve already ported their engine to PS5 prior to the acquisition? For the devs it would suck to just scrap something they’ve worked their ass off to get right. And iirc MS has said that they don’t want to end development that has already started. So Starfield might absolutely come to PS5. Might be a good way to lure PS owners over if a sequel or DLC is Xbox/PC exclusive.
12Dannu123
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They were referring to GaaS games.
Warablo
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I enjoyed Cyberpunk. A space RPG will be fun.Starfield may also be terrible like cyberpunk and others.
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Fredrik
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This is the quote from the ”first or best” thread.
”What we'll do in the long run is we don't have intentions of just pulling all of Bethesda content out of Sony or Nintendo or otherwise. But what we want is we want that content, in the long run, to be either first or better or best or pick your differentiated experience, on our platforms. We will want Bethesda content to show up the best as -- on our platforms.
Yes. That's not a point about being exclusive. That's not a point about we're being -- adjusting timing or content or road map. But if you think about something like Game Pass, if it shows up best in Game Pass, that's what we want to see, and we want to drive our Game Pass subscriber base through that Bethesda pipeline.
So again, I'm not announcing pulling content from platforms one way or the other. But I suspect you'll continue to see us shift towards a first or better or best approach on our platforms”
To me it doesn’t sound like they’re just talking about The Elder Scrolls Online or current already released titles. I see nothing that rules out that Starfield and TES may appear on PS5, sounds like they mostly want the games to be best on their platforms. Maybe they release first on Gamepass or have exclusive content.
Edit: That said, core gamers who like Bethesda’s games should obviously consider buying a PC or Xbox Series X instead of being concerned about this.
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Knitted Knight
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This thread is full of gold content. People are so sure of the direction MS is gonna take (appears even personal). Massive set ups on a betting game.