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[Low Moral Fibre]

Can you show examples?

I mean I did earlier in this thread and so did someone else but since I'm nice here are some more.

Straight glass reflection on PC - no blurry reflection:

Reflection with brass pillar behind - clear reflection visible with blurry reflection of the post set to the right as it would be in reality as the brass post is slightly further back:

Reflection from the other side where there is no glass - just one reflection visible:

The PS5 is doing the same just putting the clear reflection in totally the wrong place so it's more obvious that there are two reflections. The pillar is not a few feet away from the glass so the reflections shouldn't be this far apart - if you think this looks right then I don't know what to say:

PS5 from the back:

 

[martino]

I mean I did earlier in this thread and so did someone else but since I'm nice here are some more.

Straight glass reflection on PC - no blurry reflection:

Reflection with brass pillar behind - clear reflection visible with blurry reflection of the post set to the right as it would be in reality as the brass post is slightly further back:

Reflection from the other side where there is no glass - just one reflection visible:

The PS5 is doing the same just putting the clear reflection in totally the wrong place so it's more obvious that there are two reflections. The pillar is not a few feet away from the glass so the reflections shouldn't be this far apart - if you think this looks right then I don't know what to say:

PS5 from the back:

and here the easy tuto to how to confirm which is the correct way to do it :
- found a buddy
- find aluminium foil
- find a window
- ask buddy to keep the foil on the other side of window (you can play with distance)
I let people see for themselves.

 

[megreotsugua]

OK, I see you noticed the PS5's RT bug, but for some reason you seem to imply that the series X is AOK as far as RT is concerned... it's not.

It's not a PS5 bug. It's reflecting on two surfaces as it should. And that was missing in both xsex and pc version.

 

[Rikkori]

My issue with NXG videos is that the way he delivers them it's a lot of droning on of tech jargon, and even as someone so inclined it's hard not to tune him out. He needs to story tell it more rather than just recite the script. Can't even imagine what IGN's regular viewers must think, but I'd love to see their reaction.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It's not a PS5 bug. It's reflecting on two surfaces as it should. And that was missing in both xsex and pc version.

Nope. This is factually wrong. See above.

 

[Shmunter]

My issue with NXG videos is that the way he delivers them it's a lot of droning on of tech jargon, and even as someone so inclined it's hard not to tune him out. He needs to story tell it more rather than just recite the script. Can't even imagine what IGN's regular viewers must think, but I'd love to see their reaction.

They seem to think it’s great based on the YouTube like/dislike ratio

 

[Soulblighter31]

It's not a PS5 bug. It's reflecting on two surfaces as it should. And that was missing in both xsex and pc version.

There are no 2 surfaces the way you think. They're glued together. Theres no distance between them that will show 2 sepparate reflections. Its a rendering error in ps5.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

My issue with NXG videos is that the way he delivers them it's a lot of droning on of tech jargon, and even as someone so inclined it's hard not to tune him out. He needs to story tell it more rather than just recite the script. Can't even imagine what IGN's regular viewers must think, but I'd love to see their reaction.

Nah, people need to elevate their knowledge. He speaks very clear and always explains himself very thoroughly.

 

[ethomaz]

I mean I did earlier in this thread and so did someone else but since I'm nice here are some more.

Straight glass reflection on PC - no blurry reflection:

Reflection with brass pillar behind - clear reflection visible with blurry reflection of the post set to the right as it would be in reality as the brass post is slightly further back:

Reflection from the other side where there is no glass - just one reflection visible:

The PS5 is doing the same just putting the clear reflection in totally the wrong place so it's more obvious that there are two reflections. The pillar is not a few feet away from the glass so the reflections shouldn't be this far apart - if you think this looks right then I don't know what to say:

PS5 from the back:

The issue I saw in the videos with PC/Xbox is that the reflection have lag... it not show sometimes or take too much time to show.

Edit - The PC has the edge in RT reflections quality by a long shot but it indeed looks bugged.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You're little too much in fanboy mode this time. Sorry but to be fair, I capture this screen with the sub-titles just to remember what NXG said about the performances between PS5/XsX in 60fps mode

You know what's going on in your screen, one is a fight the other is checking out a capsule. At least the 47fps vs 60fps delta I've showed is identical with no action going around. So calling others fanboys yet you make this stupid BS doesn't fly by from anyone with a functioning brain. Maybe let down your "neutral" stance and show your "green" colors? Be proud of it.

 

[Murdoch]

It's safe to say I won't be posting there again the irony is off the charts. NXGamer... You're in good company


User Banned (Duration Pending Further Admin Review): Inflammatory False Equivalences Around Bigotry and Fascism)

I'm not comfortable in banning people with a difference of opinion in any capacity. If we applied this way of thinking to the real world then things like Trump coming to power and the Nazi party happen. You need balanced and represented views from all sides discussing things rather than the one way street we seemingly have. When you all start to wear little hats then extremism happens. (It would be ironic if I got banned for this and supports the above)

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

The issue I saw in the videos with PC/Xbox is that the reflection have lag... it not show sometimes or take too much time to show.

Edit - The PC has the edge in RT reflections quality by a long shot but it indeed looks bugged.

Show this please.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

You know what's going on in your screen, one is a fight the other is checking out a capsule. At least the 47fps vs 60fps delta I've showed is identical with no action going around. So calling others fanboys yet you make this stupid BS doesn't fly by from anyone with a functioning brain. Maybe let down your "neutral" stance and show your "green" colors? Be proud of it.

You misunderstood what they are saying. Nxgamer literally says xsx has a slight advantage at holding 60fps. The screen shows him saying that.
Edit
Also your screens are not identical and ps5 has a lot more wall and Xbox a lot more open area

 

[Azurro]

On this, my note is not stating which is "right" or "wrong", simply that they are different.

Also, dual reflections are real and happen all the time, Double glazing for example and dependant on the quality of the glass this can distort/refract differently.

Likely here the dual planes are being calculated within the RT algorithm and should not be.

Interesting note about the duplicated reflections, in your analysis, do you think this could be an edge case? Or have you noticed these duplicated reflections on many surfaces? I imagine performance could be impacted quite a lot due to this.

BTW, thanks for the video!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You misunderstood what they are saying. Nxgamer literally says xsx has a slight advantage at holding 60fps. The screen shows him saying that.

You need to rewatch it again, sir. He said XSX has a slight advantage in holding 60fps in photo mode: (timestamped)





In gameplay, PS5 holds 60fps better in performance mode, and holds 30fps better in RT mode with better RT. Maybe rewatch the whole thing again?

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Interesting note about the duplicated reflections, in your analysis, do you think this could be an edge case? Or have you noticed these duplicated reflections on many surfaces? I imagine performance could be impacted quite a lot due to this.

BTW, thanks for the video!

Xbox and PC have them as well they are just better and more real looking instead of in the wrong place.

 

[martino]

Xbox and PC have them as well they are just better and more real looking instead of in the wrong place.

Not really for xsx this scenario is overly buggy.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I agree and the biggest issue is they are not even sticking to any facts, just running off with made up nonsense, lies and exaggerations. This is indicative of the general lack of any real-life experience or any knowledge beyond the pseudo online "cancel all things" attitude rather than any conversation.

That said, I am very grateful for the support here and I would like to leave the whole "distracting" drama to them to just bounce around among themselves, we have serious gaming tech to discuss here ;-)

Just for note, my channel is still going and I have a video planned to release on it today and then get back into a nice flow between IGN and my channel.

Man, you really lifted the quality of IGN. But don't forget your old subscribers. I know it's conflicting with your existing job/life chores, but we are so hungry for more!

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

You need to rewatch it again, sir. He said XSX has a slight advantage in holding 60fps in photo mode: (timestamped)





In gameplay, PS5 holds 60fps better in performance mode, and holds 30fps better in RT mode with better RT. Maybe rewatch the whole thing again?

12:15 or so. Maybe you should watch again

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Not really for xsx this scenario is overly buggy.

When he shows it not bugging out yes

 

[ethomaz]

Show this please.

NX shows in the video... 3 minutes and something in.

 

[nowhat]

NX Gamer is a known PS homer while DF is neutral. Give me DF

Give me ESRAM and the power of the cloud, rather.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

NX shows in the video... 3 minutes and something in.

Where? I can't find it.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Thought it was a really good informative and impartial head-to-head video, let the facts speak for themselves, while still giving a little wiggle from non-gaming breaking issues, showing the game in a great light - might even start playing it before finishing my current active games, now.

Only areas for me that would have been the icing on the cake, would have been access to full resolution stills from all the identical 3 way video segments - for a cursory ability to quickly difference the shots in a paint package, with a hike in gamma, to hone in on any residual differences in images. And a cursory comment about if they are all triple buffered, v-synched in the 30 or 60fps "gameplay" modes - and if that was a matched setting on the PC - and if he felt double buffered would have improved each of the console 30fp latencies. I also wonder how he feels the higher quality RT reflections on the PS5 matchup to the 'industry leading RT' in Spiderman. And is the reason why a RT performance mode on PS5 unavailable, because it is maybe the performance version running on PC/XsX - for me it does look that way from my look at RT modes in spiderman; especially the character vanishing he showed.

 

[ethomaz]

Where? I can't find it.

C’mon there is no way to miss him talking about.

Edit - 3:40 in the video an example somebody posted on Beyond3D and Bathsllia give the usual response..

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

C’mon there is no way to miss him talking about.

Edit - 3:40 in the video an example somebody posted on Beyond3D.

That's not shown on PC or said happens on PC. Looks like a bug since a minute later it shows it working fine when he tries to show the "double reflections" on ps5 vs proper but not noticed double reflections on Xbox.

 

[ethomaz]

For people not “seeing” the lag or no reflection in the video other thread.

It is very obvious.

Same issues happens in PC.
It is like people denying the stutter on PC that happens even with high-end CPU, GPU and SSD.

PC and Series X shares the same issues.

 

[NXGamer]

Man, you really lifted the quality of IGN. But don't forget your old subscribers. I know it's conflicting with your existing job/life chores, but we are so hungry for more!

Never, I have had a very, very busy start to 2021 and 2020 ended. But now that IGN is on track I am getting a routine on for my channel and them. All being well a new video will be on my channel later today.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Also your screens are not identical and ps5 has a lot more wall and Xbox a lot more open area

Again, the fps drop has nothing to do with what's shown on screen. It's an elevator ride where a new part of a level is getting loaded into the system. That's what causes the stutter, PC has the same problem.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Never, I have had a very, very busy start to 2021 and 2020 ended. But now that IGN is on track I am getting a routine on for my channel and them. All being well a new video will be on my channel later today.

You are the GOAT!

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Again, the fps drop has nothing to do with what's shown on screen. It's an elevator ride where a new part of a level is getting loaded into the system. That's what causes the stutter, PC has the same problem.

For that one yes but the other 2 they showed are not like for like either with ps having more wall and Xbox having more of the room showing.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

For that one yes but the other 2 they showed are not like for like either with ps having more wall and Xbox having more of the room showing.

During actual gameplay, both consoles are essentially performing the same.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

You are the GOAT!

You gonna quite gushing and respond to me showing you that you are wrong?

 

[Dodkrake]

- Game doesn't stutter on pc. It stutters on his PC because he uses a 2700 ryzen. The cpu series is camped with stutters, also typical ryzen issue. nothing to do with moving data in and out of ram.
- He has no clue what is loaded in and out and moved away from the cpu or if the cpu on the PS5 has less taxation because of it, baseless assumption.

In short nice video, sadly the moment conclusions come it falls a bit apart, still nice effort for the first video over there.

And you figured this out based on your ample experience in game dev and software development from the University of Gaf? I suppose you have a masters in Xbox Discord and a PHD in google search as well, right?

I'll take my data from someone that actually knows what they're talking about, like NXG, and not yourself.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You gonna quite gushing and respond to me showing you that you are wrong?

You mean XSX dipping to 54fps and PS5 at 57fps minimum in that scene?




The rest of gameplay varies, but PS5 won't go below 56fps in worst case scenario, while XSX can happily dip as low 40's fps. Even here DF had to cut it out when it was hovering around 45fps in gameplay:

Checkmate.

 

[Leyasu]

You need to rewatch it again, sir. He said XSX has a slight advantage in holding 60fps in photo mode: (timestamped)





In gameplay, PS5 holds 60fps better in performance mode, and holds 30fps better in RT mode with better RT. Maybe rewatch the whole thing again?

I did watch it, and don’t remember him saying that. I will rewatch during my meeting in an hour.

I love that your post is liked by Mr PlayStation lol

 

[Hendrick's]

It's not a PS5 bug. It's reflecting on two surfaces as it should. And that was missing in both xsex and pc version.

I don't know about " as it should". It looks worse, and the the PC doesn't do it either. It's clearly an RT API weirdness on both consoles causing some issues.

 

[Leyasu]

You mean XSX dipping to 54fps and PS5 at 57fps minimum in that scene?




The rest of gameplay varies, but PS5 won't go below 57fps in worst case scenario, while XSX can happily dip as low 40's fps. Even here DF had to cut it out when it was hovering around 45fps in gameplay:

Checkmate.

They both drop in places where the other one doesn’t. Anybody sad enough could go over the video frame by frame and cherry pick the drops on either

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Never, I have had a very, very busy start to 2021 and 2020 ended. But now that IGN is on track I am getting a routine on for my channel and them. All being well a new video will be on my channel later today.

Hey NXG, got to learn from here that you got into some sorta trouble over at Resetera. Hope all is ok with your work partnership with IGN is in no way impacted. You're the second person whom I look forward to tech videos along with Digital Foundry!

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

You mean XSX dipping to 54fps and PS5 at 57fps minimum in that scene?




The rest of gameplay varies, but PS5 won't go below 56fps in worst case scenario, while XSX can happily dip as low 40's fps. Even here DF had to cut it out when it was hovering around 45fps in gameplay:

Checkmate.

Aww poor baby moving goal posts. Am I doing that right? Anyway your bestie nxgamer says Xbox has slight edge dude even screen grabbed it with subtitles and yet you still try to say we wrong. And once I've shown you are wrong you move onto a different video.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I did watch it, and don’t remember him saying that. I will rewatch during my meeting in an hour.

I love that your post is liked by Mr PlayStation lol

It's timestamped so it's not black magic or something too hard to figure out. Also leave my boyfriend alone.

 

[Leyasu]

@nx gamer
Great video by the way.

I hope that your involvement with IGN means that you get more of everything that you need in order to do these.

Kinda like an indie studio getting acquired lol

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Aww poor baby moving goal posts. Am I doing that right? Anyway your bestie nxgamer says Xbox has slight edge dude even screen grabbed it with subtitles and yet you still try to say we wrong. And once I've shown you are wrong you move onto a different video.

No goal post movement, he did said "maybe", but "is holding 60fps" that reference was from the photo mode I've sent to you. Also how about you screen grab when he said XSX dips to low 40's?

 

[Superayate]

You know what's going on in your screen, one is a fight the other is checking out a capsule. At least the 47fps vs 60fps delta I've showed is identical with no action going around. So calling others fanboys yet you make this stupid BS doesn't fly by from anyone with a functioning brain. Maybe let down your "neutral" stance and show your "green" colors? Be proud of it.

wtf, I'm just sharing what NXG said in the video, you're having a really retarded reaction.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

It's not a PS5 bug. It's reflecting on two surfaces as it should. And that was missing in both xsex and pc version.

Why do you insist on putting the series x with the PC version? Its raytracing option has fickers, objects disappearing from view in certain angles where they should be there, etc.

I mean sure the PS5 has dual reflections on a couple of surfaces, but at least its raytracing option is usable.

 

[Superayate]

You need to rewatch it again, sir. He said XSX has a slight advantage in holding 60fps in photo mode: (timestamped)





In gameplay, PS5 holds 60fps better in performance mode, and holds 30fps better in RT mode with better RT. Maybe rewatch the whole thing again?

He is clearly saying from the 12min that in this fully razterized mode (60 fps one) the results are slightly better on XsX... I am just reporting what he said, that's all.

 

[fran.fernandez]

Finish it today. Pretty good game and with the dual sense feels cool.

the story, animations and free talk is awful. A cheap movie b would do a lot better.

again, just gameplay is really

 

[Bo_Hazem]

wtf, I'm just sharing what NXG said in the video, you're having a really retarded reaction.

You've been calling me a fanboy then now retarded. Seems like you still need some years to grow up.

I know, I got you cornered. Next time don't go straight from level 1 to level 99 boss.

 

[onesvenus]

On this, my note is not stating which is "right" or "wrong", simply that they are different.

Also, dual reflections are real and happen all the time, Double glazing for example and dependant on the quality of the glass this can distort/refract differently.

Likely here the dual planes are being calculated within the RT algorithm and should not be.

Sorry if I sounded like criticizing your work, I was not. I was talking about the people that were saying that the PS5 RT is better because it's showing a clearly wrong double reflection.
If you read my post you'll see that I don't say double reflections don't exist but that when the two reflective surfaces are an inch away, like in your video, those should almost overlap, like what the PC and Xbox versions show.
Having said that, congrats on your video and on joining ING. Hope that allows you to get in touch with developers and shed some light in things like this.

 

[Heisenberg007]

We need to realize MS unified the devtools with GDK with that exactly purpose.

The fact PC and Xbox have similar file sizes already shows that.

I agree. It's not an "issue" that needs to be fixed. This is exactly the result MS was hoping for when they unified the tools -- to allow devs to easily port games from Xbox to PC and vice versa.