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[assurdum]

Is custom,of course compared to ps5 is less custom and more slow,but they have worked on,is not like put an ssd to my crappy pc

Keep in mind series X has just a decompression block. And again I'm not entirely sure is something of new in the CPU, It's the minimum have it, considered there isn't the DMA cache in the SSD as ps5. Call it as a full dedicated custom hardware part for I/O it's really a stretch imo.

 

[Shmunter]

Compression good but GPU ready data structures not so much. Obvious against PS 1st party game loading speed. Control must still be using parts of their legacy code that needs assets to be piped through the cpu first.

 

[Shmunter]

Interesting that the Xbox SX version is larger than the size on PS4 Pro.

Control UE PS5 - 25 GB
Control UE PS4 - 39 GB
Control UE XSX - 42 GB

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

Nah, don’t need duplication on ssd with almost negligible seek times. Must be pure compression. Not to mention, it’s not a vast open world.

 

[Negotiator101]

Yeah, no.

Yes or no?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Interesting that the Xbox SX version is larger than the size on PS4 Pro.

Control UE PS5 - 25 GB
Control UE PS4 - 39 GB
Control UE XSX - 42 GB

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

Interestingly, with DLCs, the PS4 version was 50 GB. For PS5, they cut it in half. A 100% difference is super impressive.

 

[perkelson]

A graphically intensive game being only 25gb is something I didn't expect.

Control is linear game. It is not huge.

 

[Cherrypepsi]

Yes or no?

No.

Same settings, no differences.
More fps drops on xsx

 

[Negotiator101]

Interesting that the Xbox SX version is larger than the size on PS4 Pro.

Control UE PS5 - 25 GB
Control UE PS4 - 39 GB
Control UE XSX - 42 GB

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

They've just used the PC version for the Series X no optimisation at all as far as file size, nothing to see here lol

 

[KingT731]

What's the PC version size?

42GB according to Steam. Same as the Series X

 

[Negotiator101]

No.

Same settings, no differences.
More fps drops on xsx

I see better Shadows on X and framerate is nigh on identical.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Control is linear game. It is not huge.

I wouldn't call Control a linear game. It is a semi-open-world Metroidvania game, but definitely not linear.

 

[Negotiator101]

42GB according to Steam. Same as the Series X

This the point I made above, they are using the same code.

 

[Kenpachii]

What's the PC version size?

42,8gb

 

[kyliethicc]

Interestingly, with DLCs, the PS4 version was 50 GB. For PS5, they cut it in half. A 100% difference is super impressive.

I have the DLC and my file on my PS4 is 39 GB idk?

 

[assurdum]

I see better Shadows on X and framerate is nigh on identical.

Can you post a screen about such better shadows on X? I can't see it in the video posted.

 

[Negotiator101]

Can you post a screen about such better shadows on X? I can't see it in the video posted.

I see what I see, for you to see what I see you would have to see through my eyes, do you see?

 

[Cherrypepsi]

I see what I see, for you to see what I see you would have to see through my eyes, do you see?

To see or not to see.
But whatever makes you sleep at night

 

[assurdum]

I see what I see, for you to see what I see you would have to see through my eyes, do you see?

Who cares of what you see if it's not the reality with all respect?

 

[Thomish]

Interesting that the Xbox SX version is larger than the size on PS4 Pro.

Control UE PS5 - 25 GB
Control UE PS4 - 39 GB
Control UE XSX - 42 GB

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

My dumbass downloaded the PS4 version...

 

[Codeblew]

Shawdows looks slightly cleaner on Series X to my eye but nothing of note.

The only thing I noticed is that PC looked better than both but was probably running on a 2-3k rig?

 

[Astorian]

Would be nice for the developers to comment on this, someone should ask them.

 

[Negotiator101]

To see or not to see.
But whatever makes you sleep at night

I'm just messing with him, he really needs to chill when it comes to these comparison threads.

 

[GenericUser]

I hope this becomes a trend. 25GB is really good.

 

[pasterpl]

"Lot of changes in things like how we handle data etc."

Control Ultimate Edition seems like a good first example of how data compression, I/O, and SSD will work on the PS5. The Xbox Series X Version's file size is roughly 68 percent bigger than the PS5 version. If this trend continues (~50 percent difference), the 825GB SSD will store more games than a 1TB SSD.

P.S. This is a very interesting topic. Please don't make it into another console war thread. Thank you.

PS5 File Size: ~25 GB
XSX File Size: ~42 GB

since when 1 game/example is trend setting?

 

[Negotiator101]

The only thing I noticed is that PC looked better than both but was probably running on a 2-3k rig?

You're right, I thought I noticed some flicker on the PS5 shadows.

 

[Codeblew]

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

Not sure why duplicate assets would help with an SSD though. There is no mechanical advantage.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Are you saying the Velocity Architecture is not being used as of now?

How are you reading that from what I said?!

 

[assurdum]

I'm just messing with him, he really needs to chill when it comes to these comparison threads.

You are something else. You posted a subjective impression without a prove about a graphic difference, then you blame me to chill because I asked to you to have more evidence. Meh.

 

[Negotiator101]

Who cares of what you see if it's not the reality with all respect?

Lol

 

[smart_brazileiro]

I can't dowoad the ps5 version. Bought the UE in a sale. Help.

 

[Negotiator101]

You are something else. You post subjective impression about a graphic comparison but you blame me to chill because I accused to you to have said an absurdity. Meh.

Calm down its all a bit of fun.

 

[assurdum]

Calm down its all a bit of fun.

Ok. Next time I can post to see better resolution on ps5 version in a multiplat without reasons; let's see how many will have a bit fun

 

[kyliethicc]

Not sure why duplicate assets would help with an SSD though. There is no mechanical advantage.

yeah true I'm wrong. Must be compression differences

 

[Kerotan]

Very impressed with that ps5 file size. Happy days.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I have the DLC and my file on my PS4 is 39 GB idk?

That's with the Ultimate Edition, I believe. If you installed base game + DLCs, it would have been ~50GB, if I'm not wrong.

So there was overall improvements with UE across the board with the new data handling techniques, but PS5 received a 100% improvement over previous methods.

 

[assurdum]

since when 1 game/example is trend setting?

From Hitman 3 if I'm not wrong

 

[cormack12]

Not sure why duplicate assets would help with an SSD though. There is no mechanical advantage.

It's the time taken to get to get to those assets on the platter. So they need to have the assets on the disk within a threshold of loading time. If they only had one asset on the disk that was on the outer ring, the head would have to jump to the outer rings all the time to load that asset. So they put multiple copies of the asset in different places so it was always loadable within a certain time.

With SSD, the game can access the memory directly and load the asset with the same contention/time every time. So they only need one copy of the asset to address. Instead of 50 or so, which means you get a space saving of 1:50

However, what that poster said is wrong. The Xbox SSD is not 'slow' enough to warrant duplicate assets. It's likely to be a combination of how the data is chunked and compression/decompression tech.

 

[Tschumi]

I think as time grinds on Control is gonna linger in the collective consciousness as much as Max Payne has...

 

[Codeblew]

It's the time taken to get to get to those assets on the platter. So they need to have the assets on the disk within a threshold of loading time. If they only had one asset on the disk that was on the outer ring, the head would have to jump to the outer rings all the time to load that asset. So they put multiple copies of the asset in different places so it was always loadable within a certain time.

With SSD, the game can access the memory directly and load the asset with the same contention/time every time. So they only need one copy of the asset to address. Instead of 50 or so, which means you get a space saving of 1:50

However, what that poster said is wrong. The Xbox SSD is not 'slow' enough to warrant duplciate assets. It's likely to be a combination of how the data is chunked and compression/decompression tech.

Yeah, I agree with all 3 of your paragraphs, I was just too lazy to explain why duplicate assets help on mechanical drives but not on SSD.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

It probably runs on high, rather than low on PS5, as we seen yesterday.

Keep going..

Interesting that the Xbox SX version is larger than the size on PS4 Pro.

Control UE PS5 - 25 GB
Control UE PS4 - 39 GB
Control UE XSX - 42 GB

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

That’s actually pretty amazing.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Size wars . I assume it's duplicates?

Why would SSDs have duplicates?

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

"Lot of changes in things like how we handle data etc."

Control Ultimate Edition seems like a good first example of how data compression, I/O, and SSD will work on the PS5. The Xbox Series X Version's file size is roughly 68 percent bigger than the PS5 version. If this trend continues (~50 percent difference), the 825GB SSD will store more games than a 1TB SSD.

P.S. This is a very interesting topic. Please don't make it into another console war thread. Thank you.

PS5 File Size: ~25 GB
XSX File Size: ~42 GB

Are these sizes not exactly the same as PS4 and Xbox one?

 

[perkelson]

I wouldn't call Control a linear game. It is a semi-open-world Metroidvania game, but definitely not linear.

I know that. The point here is that it is not open world game with varied lands it needs to render and some point, bilions of assets, bilions of voice actors and so on.

 

[Mr Moose]

The thread didn't even make it to post 1.

This is interesting for sure. Are there any other examples of this?

Days Gone maybe.
Was originally 60GB and its down to 38.

Days Gone 1.61 update hits the road, greatly reduces game file size | TheSixthAxis

PlayStation 4 exclusive, Days Gone, has received a new game update from developer Sony Bend Studio. Available to download right now, patch 1.61 makes

www.thesixthaxis.com

 

[Heisenberg007]

Are these sizes not exactly the same as PS4 and Xbox one?

No. PS4 Control + DLCs was 50 GB (UE was ~40). PS5 is 25 GB. Xbox SX is 42.4 Gb. Xbox One was around 42.1, IIRC.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Days Gone maybe.
Was originally 60GB and its down to 38.

Days Gone 1.61 update hits the road, greatly reduces game file size | TheSixthAxis

PlayStation 4 exclusive, Days Gone, has received a new game update from developer Sony Bend Studio. Available to download right now, patch 1.61 makes

www.thesixthaxis.com

Yeah, I remember that patch downloaded 38 GB and completely deleted all the old files. I didn't expect it.

 

[Thirty7ven]

This one is a bit of an head scratcher.

 

[cireza]

but PS5's is roughly 400% more powerful than XSX's

I thought it was 40000% ?

 

[Heisenberg007]

This one is a bit of an head scratcher.

I think it's just the decompression. As PS5 is faster with data, it can decompress more and still send all the assets within the needed time frame.

 

[Vae_Victis]

Interesting that the Xbox SX version is larger than the size on PS4 Pro.

Control UE PS5 - 25 GB
Control UE PS4 - 39 GB
Control UE XSX - 42 GB

Seems like they had to use more duplicate files for XSX version due to the slower I/O.

No, that's impossible. It doesn't matter how slower the XSX IO is compared to the PS5's, they both have basically zero seek time and that's what duplicates are for.

The reason is probably that the XSX version has higher quality assets than the PS4 Pro version. As for why the PS5 is so small... Cerny magic?