Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Sony had a chance during the psp era and they blew it, they didn't even fight back during the 3ds era when Nintendo was throwing cash around, Japan is Nintendo all the way now.
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AmuroChan
Member
No chance we see another dedicated portable console from Japan. Sony's strategy in Japan (per their earnings call) is mobile. Fate Grand/Order has grossed $4+ Billion USD for Sony, most of which is from Japan. That one mobile game alone has outgrossed every Sony published game on the Vita combined. That's the direction they're taking in Japan. Sony Music/Aniplex will handle the gaming scene in Japan via mobile. SIE will focus on the rest of the world with PS5 and PSVR.
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Imru’ al-Qays
Member
The problem is simply that you can't be splitting your development resources between two different HD consoles. Sony made the calculation that they needed to double down on developing for the PS4 and that if they tried to develop for the Vita or Vita 2 at the same time they'd wind up not succeeding at either. That was almost certainly the right choice.
If Sony gets back into the portable game it'll be because they'll have found a way to engineer their portable console to be essentially identical to the PS4, or to a stripped-down PS5 (the equivalent of a portable XSS). Until such time as that becomes feasible from a technical standpoint Sony is not going to release a portable console.
fersnake
Member
this gen? this gen?
sw0mp_d0nk3y
Member
I don't know, all I played on the PSP were the God of War games, and I've played big AAA games on Switch fine. Obviously playing on a TV is better, but handheld is easier to play at work, commute, etc. I agree that small, simple games might fit better on a handheld, but some people don't want to bother with those when they can play Uncharted, God of War, Breath of the Wild. Switch battery life is good enough for a few hours of AAA games, so I don't think that is too much of an issue with something slightly more powerful.
I think what really held Sony's other handhelds back was that they were still a pretty weak experience compared to a console, yet marketed themselves as being a console experience. You just got shitty looking versions of Uncharted and God of War, but they played similar to the console games. With DS you were getting a totally different experience, and totally different games. Now Nintendo has pretty much leaned into the model I am describing, and it seems to be working pretty well for them.
fart town usa
Gold Member
I think portable consoles (outside of the Switch) are dead. Not worth the investment when everything is so insanely expensive now for the gaming industry.
I'm surprised that Sony and Microsoft haven't released a tablet type controller in the same vein as the Wii U. Yea it's not completely portable but being able to game off screen in the house while the kids or wife watch TV is super handy. If such a thing existed and cost $100-150, people would buy it. It'd be a niche product but look at VR, I feel like that is niche and it's $500 still (if it's cheaper somewhere please let me know)
I'm surprised that Sony and Microsoft haven't released a tablet type controller in the same vein as the Wii U. Yea it's not completely portable but being able to game off screen in the house while the kids or wife watch TV is super handy. If such a thing existed and cost $100-150, people would buy it. It'd be a niche product but look at VR, I feel like that is niche and it's $500 still (if it's cheaper somewhere please let me know)
DeadMansParty
Member
I think a few things killed the vita
1. Barely any first party support. A few games but after like 2013 barely anything was on it.
2. The memory cards being first party only was extremely anti consumer and people didn't want to pay ridiculous prices for 16gb of memory
3. Ports of PS3 were hit or miss, the Jak collection was awful while the sly or even god of war were pretty decent
4. It was expensive as a PS3 at the time.
It's ashame because my favorite Killzone game ever was mercenary. That game was excellent but it faded into obscurity.
1. Barely any first party support. A few games but after like 2013 barely anything was on it.
2. The memory cards being first party only was extremely anti consumer and people didn't want to pay ridiculous prices for 16gb of memory
3. Ports of PS3 were hit or miss, the Jak collection was awful while the sly or even god of war were pretty decent
4. It was expensive as a PS3 at the time.
It's ashame because my favorite Killzone game ever was mercenary. That game was excellent but it faded into obscurity.
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fart town usa
Gold Member
Sheesh, come on. The PSP has an awesome library, same with DS. Both were fantastic handhelds.
MagnesG
Banned
At $300 price tag that is pretty much impossible, maybe in 2023/2024 but not now.
Lionel Richie
Member
It had zero chance.
This would have even less than zero chance, I wouldn't put it past Sony to sell hardware at a moronic loss, but if we're talking about the japanese market the PS Plus collection wouldn't mean dick.
Ryu Kaiba
Member
The tech for a PS4 portable will be ready in a few short years if it isn't already, and how can you still harp on about big games not working on handheld while the switch is disproving you every single day.
Virt McPolygon
Banned
What does any of this even mean?Comiefornia doesn’t care any more. It’s all about cinematic experiences
existensmaximum
Member
And there is no technology that makes all this possible today. Especially under $300. No way unfortunately.
Oddvintagechap
Member
PS4GO
PS4 library, 200GB SSD, 1080p OLED screen, Digital Library transfers, discs dont, supports vita games(but not advertised), no HDMI(USB-C display out), interchangeable 5 hour battery.
PS4 library, 200GB SSD, 1080p OLED screen, Digital Library transfers, discs dont, supports vita games(but not advertised), no HDMI(USB-C display out), interchangeable 5 hour battery.
Ryu Kaiba
Member
Sony wouldn't let the battery be interchangeable after that was the method people used to hack the PSP to hell and back. and its doesn't even need an SSD just standard memory cards and there you go.
Call me crazy' but here is an idea.
Playstation Pixel Porable or something or Playstation Slate and make it a tablet.
A portable that is weaker, great battery life and ushers in the return of 2D sprite/pixel games, scaling, rotation, all the bells and whistles. New updates of Capcom classics, fighters, shumps, Square, Enix, Atlus - Japan style RPGS, even EA sports titles like old Madden and NHL 94, all made on modern specialized hardware. Capture the pure bliss of the Snes, Sega, Amiga, Neo-Geo, Capcom era of games. Old school 2D Mortal Kombat makes a return, NBA JAM, WWE Arcade etc, Sonic, Contra, a new Castlevania, Gradius etc etc.. Rayman.. Bring back the endless stream of plat formers, brawlers, fighters, shumps. Bring back all new versions of many Taito classics..
A guy can dream right, especially after playing Scott Pilgrim and Steets of Rage 4.
Cheaper production costs, modern 2D games, cheaper cartridges. Something old, but new..
Playstation Pixel Porable or something or Playstation Slate and make it a tablet.
A portable that is weaker, great battery life and ushers in the return of 2D sprite/pixel games, scaling, rotation, all the bells and whistles. New updates of Capcom classics, fighters, shumps, Square, Enix, Atlus - Japan style RPGS, even EA sports titles like old Madden and NHL 94, all made on modern specialized hardware. Capture the pure bliss of the Snes, Sega, Amiga, Neo-Geo, Capcom era of games. Old school 2D Mortal Kombat makes a return, NBA JAM, WWE Arcade etc, Sonic, Contra, a new Castlevania, Gradius etc etc.. Rayman.. Bring back the endless stream of plat formers, brawlers, fighters, shumps. Bring back all new versions of many Taito classics..
A guy can dream right, especially after playing Scott Pilgrim and Steets of Rage 4.
Cheaper production costs, modern 2D games, cheaper cartridges. Something old, but new..
Oddvintagechap
Member
SSD, or no go for me.
Redlancet
Banned
so,you are concerned about sony losing the japanese market and you response is buying a series x because some day microsoft may buy sega? LOL
you know i have read that same argument from nintendo fanboys since the psp days,yes...from the same ones who are asking every port possible on the switch,thats bullshit,they used that argument because nintend portables were way weaker than home consoles,but at the moment the portables got some power they were asking port of big bugdet games even on 3ds
OP i have a crazy idea,its very crazy,gaming its a bussiness and they do numbers,if the numbers wont help thats it
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Redlancet
Banned
this is one of the most stupid post i have read here this 2021Comiefornia doesn’t care any more. It’s all about cinematic experiences
PuppetMaster
Member
Vita 2 means life too!
Kadve
Member
The problem with the PSP is that hardware sales weren't backed upp with software sales.
Out of 80 million PSPs Sony only sold around 300 million games. Compared to the 850 million of the DS.
Redlancet
Banned
one of the problems the vita faced (and they spend a lot of money on that portable)its nintendo dev cost are way cheaper than sony,you can do a animal crossing for pennyes and will sell like crazy,doing the kind of game sony does ,uncharted,killzones,hzd,etc its very very expensive,they tried a ot of things on vita and none worked
what killed vita? people,if you dont buy games like gravity rush ,tearaway,soul sacrifice,etc what do you expect whats gonna happen?
what killed vita? people,if you dont buy games like gravity rush ,tearaway,soul sacrifice,etc what do you expect whats gonna happen?
I think for Arcade/Puzzle games, a portable is fine, but anything with long cutscenes just sucks to play on a portable. I hated playing games like Killzone and Uncharted on it because it made me wish they were playable on a regular console instead.
The mini's were a good idea, being able to play both on PSP and PS3 and Sony sort of continued that with the PS4 and Vita with cross buy, where you purchase the game once and its playable on both systems.
The mini's were a good idea, being able to play both on PSP and PS3 and Sony sort of continued that with the PS4 and Vita with cross buy, where you purchase the game once and its playable on both systems.
BattleScar
Member
It also needs to be profitable. The PSP clearly was, while the Vita apparently was not.
MistBreeze
Member
sony must focus at what they do best
they do home consoles best so they must focus only on ps5 for the time being
they do adventure games best so they must concentrate and improve them to the next level
they must diverse their portfolio by buying new studios like blue point for example or open ones like the new san diego studio
they must support japan studio to make great games specially asobi team
they must flesh out ps5 features like adding region change which is important feature in this day and age
japan is a lost cause for them now as japanese gamers only mobile gamers now
nintindo can make games suitable for portable consoles their games do not require high tech
nintindo tried high tech for the last time in game cube era and failed miserably
nitntindo has IPs are far valuable than Sony and Microsoft combined they can survive in any platform using these IPs alone specially for japanese market
they do home consoles best so they must focus only on ps5 for the time being
they do adventure games best so they must concentrate and improve them to the next level
they must diverse their portfolio by buying new studios like blue point for example or open ones like the new san diego studio
they must support japan studio to make great games specially asobi team
they must flesh out ps5 features like adding region change which is important feature in this day and age
japan is a lost cause for them now as japanese gamers only mobile gamers now
nintindo can make games suitable for portable consoles their games do not require high tech
nintindo tried high tech for the last time in game cube era and failed miserably
nitntindo has IPs are far valuable than Sony and Microsoft combined they can survive in any platform using these IPs alone specially for japanese market
Software Unit Sales
PS3 999.4 million
NDS 948.72 million
PSP 331.0 million
Home consoles are designed to run games with advanced graphics, physics, AI and gameplay. Things, that cannot be replicated by a portable console.
Home console users tend to buy a lot of games, add-on, subscriptions, etc, and won't accept a watered down experience on a portable console.
In order to grow globally you must change. Your strategy cannot pander to a declining market isolated from global trends.
PlayStation sales grew by 100 % in the 2010s, after exiting the portable business and handing over the dying domestic console market to Nintendo, the company that hasn't grown in 15 years.
Japanese videogame landscape is dominated by social and mobile games, a 1.4 trillion yen market, and Sony became a big-time player using Aniplex instead of PlayStation.
Sony’s Fate/Grand Order , a game published by Aniplex, accumulates over 300 billion yen in lifetime revenue in Japan.
Sony's gaming revenue has grown in Japan and globally using an unconventional approach.
PS3 999.4 million
NDS 948.72 million
PSP 331.0 million
Home consoles are designed to run games with advanced graphics, physics, AI and gameplay. Things, that cannot be replicated by a portable console.
Home console users tend to buy a lot of games, add-on, subscriptions, etc, and won't accept a watered down experience on a portable console.
In order to grow globally you must change. Your strategy cannot pander to a declining market isolated from global trends.
PlayStation sales grew by 100 % in the 2010s, after exiting the portable business and handing over the dying domestic console market to Nintendo, the company that hasn't grown in 15 years.
Japanese videogame landscape is dominated by social and mobile games, a 1.4 trillion yen market, and Sony became a big-time player using Aniplex instead of PlayStation.
Sony’s Fate/Grand Order , a game published by Aniplex, accumulates over 300 billion yen in lifetime revenue in Japan.
Sony's gaming revenue has grown in Japan and globally using an unconventional approach.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
The problem is that you can’t rely on Japan only for your system to be profitable.
And in the west, where the majority of expensive gaming hardware is sold, very few people would want a PlayStation with the compromises of a portable in the age of 4K. Why get a portable Uncharted when you can have state-of-the-art Uncharted on your high-res TV with your home PlayStation? The audience of Sony games isn’t down for compromise. We already have enough people retching when highly anticipated game is announced to be 30fps, imagine these people accepting to play highly anticipated game on a portable system and screen.
It works for Nintendo because compromise is expected of them. People expect the best quality from Sony, and portability and best quality are mutually exclusive in the console space.
And in the west, where the majority of expensive gaming hardware is sold, very few people would want a PlayStation with the compromises of a portable in the age of 4K. Why get a portable Uncharted when you can have state-of-the-art Uncharted on your high-res TV with your home PlayStation? The audience of Sony games isn’t down for compromise. We already have enough people retching when highly anticipated game is announced to be 30fps, imagine these people accepting to play highly anticipated game on a portable system and screen.
It works for Nintendo because compromise is expected of them. People expect the best quality from Sony, and portability and best quality are mutually exclusive in the console space.
Iced Arcade
Member
No it's not and there is no battery life that would make it a reality.
Ready for your mind to be blown? The switch is also a console!
The dedicated handheld market will be pretty much dead once cloud gaming services build a bigger library and are more accessible, the Switch will be the last 50 million unit handheld.
I'm at a point where my phone offers a more enjoyable gaming experience than the Switch, all that's missing are the exclusives.
I'm at a point where my phone offers a more enjoyable gaming experience than the Switch, all that's missing are the exclusives.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Only if hotcakes sell like shit.
Another PS portable will fail like all the other PS portables before it.
Leave portables to Nintendo.
Let sleeping dogs lie and all that jazz.
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Hal.
Member
PSP was the true successor to the GBA, but no one realised it at the time.
Playing Tales of Liberty City at launch was absolute insanity compared to, what, a Mario 64 remake and a Castlevania which (while a great game) was essentially just a shinier GBA game.
I played my PSP far more than my DS for the first few years until the DSi came out and I started on Pokémon again. By then a lot of PSP stuff had tailed off, but I still spent a lot of time with Monster Hunter and Peace Walker.
Ryu Kaiba
Member
Its a tablet with an hdmi out.
sw0mp_d0nk3y
Member
Yeah hotcakes don't sell like they used to, low carb craze and all that.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
I think a Switch clone that also slides into a portable VR headset would be the best all-in-one route. Plays on TV, plays handheld, plays in VR.
TheContact
Member
the vita was great. new tech could make it thinner and lighter and more powerful. make a vita 2, sony, but don't use proprietary memory cards and fucking support it
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
What is ironic is that Sony had the good portable console aka PSP and then not-so-good Vita. It had potential. It seems in a lot of areas Sony starts first - it is able to read the trends - but then pulls the plug.
I believe handheld market cannot be conquered by anybody anymore - Nintendo is too far ahead. To fight that you need sizeable investments as Nintendo entered that market basically without competition. You will need tons of content, exclusive games etc. Mobiles will win in the end though.
I believe handheld market cannot be conquered by anybody anymore - Nintendo is too far ahead. To fight that you need sizeable investments as Nintendo entered that market basically without competition. You will need tons of content, exclusive games etc. Mobiles will win in the end though.
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Trimesh
Banned
That was entirely down to a specific implementation decision they made - they effectively put a backdoor into the system that let you boot directly from removable storage if you had a battery with a specific serial number. They apparently bet that nobody would figure this out, but they bet wrong. They also built the ability to sign PSP binaries into the PS3 security coprocessor - and bet that people wouldn't figure it out. Again, they bet wrong.
Kerotan
Member
Yeah the portable Market is owned by Nintendo and the traditional home console market owned by Sony. Neither can or will be beaten.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
How confident should Sony be with portables after the vitas failed life cycle? You can’t forget about that.
TheContact
Member
one of the many reasons this console is amazing. It’s a psx/psp powerhouse among other things
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Ozrimandias
Member
Sony could retake the handheld market and the Cellphone in one product, like the Xperia Play years ago. (But obviously with new technology, proper thumbsticks etc)
yurqqa
Member
So it'll have thumbsticks that will make the phone more cumbersome and will be limited by the phone size that could be an issue for the handheld.
Cornbread78
Member
C'mon baby, I got my PS5 on the left of my tv and my SerX on the right side. And the Switch in it's case where it belongs..
I got this gen covered don't you worry about that.