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[DF] Destiny 2 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S - A True Next-Gen Advantage

Ah the stealth correction update in the comments, yet the false claim remains in the video. Guess this is a stipulation from Richard now. Always make series x sound better in some way in the video, then correct in the comments which hardly anyone reads.

Not the first time they've done this with PS5 and Series X.

It's liquid cooled, you can see the rad in the pictures. They are not all like that though obvs, this is high end, plus it won't be liquid metal on PC, as that is a specialist solution. not worth the effort in the GPU market, leave it up to the end user if they want to do that.

They will always have the Xbox Series X 1 X Pro mid gen refresh though. Of course it will be too late for anyone really to care as PS5 will win the gen regardless by that point, but at least our friends will get to dish out some crow later.

OK, so a solid third then as I said, doesn't matter if it's an inch or a mile, winnings winning. (Of the two, Nintendo technically won that gen, by miles)

Also, I think you'll find it was the rest of the World, not just Japan xbox got beat hands down. The UK and US were there only real markets and remain so to this day.

Yes, US and UK were the market where 360 clearly beat the PS3 (around 60% more in US, the most important market, also where the marging are the most important, and the third one). But in EU, it had not sold bad contrary of what many people can think, only around 35% less than PS3. When your remered how PS1 and PS2 destroyed others systems in EU...
For example, in Germany => https://www.statista.com/statistics/477106/wii-ps3-xbox-360-sales-figures-germany/
Many people underestimate the x360 performance in EU.
 

x@3f*oo_e!

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Yes, US and UK were the market where 360 clearly beat the PS3 (around 60% more in US, the most important market, also where the marging are the most important, and the third one). But in EU, it had not sold bad contrary of what many people can think, only around 35% less than PS3. When your remered how PS1 and PS2 destroyed others systems in EU...
For example, in Germany => https://www.statista.com/statistics/477106/wii-ps3-xbox-360-sales-figures-germany/
Many people underestimate the x360 performance in EU.
I think it still did way better in Germany than France though .. It's like the brand doesn't cross to non-Anglophone countries, or at least relatively those with relatively high english-speaking use (2nd language)
 

Lister

Banned
Whats more bizarre is why the 60 fps mode is only 1080p? The x1s is 1080p at just 1.3 tflops. This thing has 4 rdna 2.0 tflops and an 8 core 3.4 ghz cpu. It should be able to run it at 1440p 60 fps easily. Surely there is a bottleneck somewhere in the system.
There's probably differences in graphics settings and imsge quality between the two.

This is why I find these console vs console comparisons boring as shit.

With PC in there at least you get a comprehensive graphics settings comparisons.

On these they only talk about resolution, which these days is all over the place thanks to dynamic upscaling and reconstruction, and framerate.

Who cares? Who's is this useful to, the 2 people with an Xbox series x and a ps5? It just feeds console warring. 2 fps difference and one side claims victory.
 
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Funny how I see these videos get blown up, people declaring some big victory, and then I go read the article and it’s like: “In short: a touch more clarity on Xbox, but a very occasionally smoother ride on the Sony machine.”

It’s fucking nothing lol.
 
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I think it still did way better in Germany than France though .. It's like the brand doesn't cross to non-Anglophone countries, or at least relatively those with relatively high english-speaking use (2nd language)
Yes in France it was little lower than Germany. But in fact, I'm french, and for me the X360 has not done so bad also here (Xone for example has done clearly less, just see the area let for each console in Micromania or hypermarket such as Carrefour, Auchan etc..). During most of the time, X360 was just selling a lower than PS3 by 35/40% (only during 2012 and 2013, the PS3 was clearly higher than X360 due to MS starting to do shit with their xbox brand).
You have some example: https://gamingbolt.com/ps3-outsells-xbox-360-by-0-7-million-units-in-france
If MS has not done shit during the last 2 years of this console gen, they would have finished n°2.
 
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DJ12

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Yes, US and UK were the market where 360 clearly beat the PS3 (around 60% more in US, the most important market, also where the marging are the most important, and the third one). But in EU, it had not sold bad contrary of what many people can think, only around 35% less than PS3. When your remered how PS1 and PS2 destroyed others systems in EU...
For example, in Germany => https://www.statista.com/statistics/477106/wii-ps3-xbox-360-sales-figures-germany/
Many people underestimate the x360 performance in EU.
Clearly? not in the UK, in the US for sure.

Anyway, a loss is a loss. 360 still came in last, and it's the best MS have done. Hardly something to shout about.

Xbox consoles, are not Microsoft's priority these days. I guess the next xbox, if there is one, is just a small form factor PC that is tied in to the xbox eco system so you cannot get steam on it etc. You know, pretty much like it is already, but without the pretense it's a console.
 

x@3f*oo_e!

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Yes in France it was little lower than Germany. But in fact, I'm french, and for me the X360 has not done so bad also here (Xone for example has done clearly less, just see the area let for each console in Micromania or hypermarket such as Carrefour, Auchan etc..). During most of the time, X360 was just selling a lower than PS3 by 35/40% (only during 2012 and 2013, the PS3 was clearly higher than X360 due to MS starting to do shit with their xbox brand).
You have some example: https://gamingbolt.com/ps3-outsells-xbox-360-by-0-7-million-units-in-france
If MS has not done shit during the last 2 years of this console gen, they would have finished n°2.
That's interesting - same shape graph as UK
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
The XSX's premature driver optimization for developrs continues to play a role. This is not a sleight on Microsoft's end though. It just highlights that Sony in this case had a better lead up to the new generation, ultimately having a more mature system upfront that (for the perceptive audience) enables to achieve equal or slightly better performance even despite having visibly lower specs on the system front.

This is nothing new, by the way. Sony has always done this and the Xbox One was at release also less easy to develop for by studios. The same story repeats itself now.

Nevertheless, both consoles play a significant bump up and its great to see rather stable performance aswell.

The only minor to me is the S version: Despite 60 fps at 1080p, i feel 1440p would be do-able. I reckon Bungie recognized mid-porting that for reasons unknown so far, they stuck with 1080p.

Jaguar cores are clearly highlighting now how impressive last-gen was in terms of visual fidelity and how much hamstrung developers were in terms of framerates.
 
Clearly? not in the UK, in the US for sure.

Anyway, a loss is a loss. 360 still came in last, and it's the best MS have done. Hardly something to shout about.

Xbox consoles, are not Microsoft's priority these days. I guess the next xbox, if there is one, is just a small form factor PC that is tied in to the xbox eco system so you cannot get steam on it etc. You know, pretty much like it is already, but without the pretense it's a console.

If I remember well, X360 finished n°1 in UK during this gen and has outsold the PS3 by the same marging the PS3 outsold the X360 in the rest of EU.
In June 2013, in UK the X360 was sold at 8.4 millions against 5.5 millions as you can see in one graph of this link for example : https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/analysis-xbox-360-poised-to-pass-wii-in-us-sales-by-years-end/?amp=1

edit: I'm not trying to change the history, finally the PS3 finished over the X360 yes. What I wanted to show is how fast this market can change. When you remember how the PS2 has destroyed the market, and see how the PS3 was near to finished last on the market just one generation after.
For me, Sony with PS3 has done so many mistakes and was very arrogant, misinformed and lied during the early days of this console, some bullshits like Microsoft's marketing in recent months.
But I think the PS3 and the X360 were the best things possible which happened to Sony, It allowed them to question themselves greatly and very often in the right direction, with the result that we know now. With Sony's studios that have made great progress during and since the PS3 generation, and hardware created, designed and optimized for devs.
 
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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
my old lady is on that. You have kidney probs, by chance?

sorry, this is completely off topic lol
No my kidneys are fine, I have multiple pills to support those and I also have specific amount of liquid I have to drink per day and honestly my kidneys are way better than before, so no this adverse effect, does not affect me. Your old lady have also transplant or some skin issues?
 

Aidah

Member
I don't really play Destiny or care about it, but based on my own experience and the sizeable sample of comparisons we have up to this point, I'm extremely satisfied by how PS5 is performing, and I'm impressed by the work done to get it there. I also appreciate that Sony just let real world performance do the talking.

The best part though is that it can still do much more, and the best is yet to come.
 
No my kidneys are fine, I have multiple pills to support those and I also have specific amount of liquid I have to drink per day and honestly my kidneys are way better than before, so no this adverse effect, does not affect me. Your old lady have also transplant or some skin issues?
Yeah she had a kidney transplant. Only has the one, so she’s on a shitload of pills. I don’t wish kidney failure on anyone, it’s miserable.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yeah she had a kidney transplant. Only has the one, so she’s on a shitload of pills. I don’t wish kidney failure on anyone, it’s miserable.
Well I had a liver failure, kidney (if only one) failure is probably maneagable. Also with liver failure comes kidneys failure, those two (3) organs are interconnected. Fortunately my kidneys recovered. I have around 10 pills, it's annoying, but outside of not sleeping my life improved a lot. Well I would dead without transplant...
 

Elios83

Member
The XSX's premature driver optimization for developrs continues to play a role. This is not a sleight on Microsoft's end though. It just highlights that Sony in this case had a better lead up to the new generation, ultimately having a more mature system upfront that (for the perceptive audience) enables to achieve equal or slightly better performance even despite having visibly lower specs on the system front.

This is nothing new, by the way. Sony has always done this and the Xbox One was at release also less easy to develop for by studios. The same story repeats itself now.

Nevertheless, both consoles play a significant bump up and its great to see rather stable performance aswell.

The only minor to me is the S version: Despite 60 fps at 1080p, i feel 1440p would be do-able. I reckon Bungie recognized mid-porting that for reasons unknown so far, they stuck with 1080p.

Jaguar cores are clearly highlighting now how impressive last-gen was in terms of visual fidelity and how much hamstrung developers were in terms of framerates.

This ''premature driver/tools optimization" is just an unproven myth. There have been no actual developers complaining about it stating that performance is poor and they're difficult to use.
It's more an excuse that some people have created for the results that we're having in basically all games so far.
I think the reality is kinda different.
On the hardware side marketing wanted to highlight the GPU on-paper peak teraflops as the only meaningful figure representative of real world performance of the whole system. It simply isn't. Being able to remove the bottlenecks over the whole graphics pipeline and being able to keep the CUs constantly well fed is much more important to real performance than a peak theoretical figure when differences are small in first place (18% like in this case).
On the software side no one is considering that it's the philosophy behind Microsoft's approach to the tools that might be also hurting them. The fact they want to create tools that are not hardware specific but are unified for a whole ecosystem using DX12 (Ultimate or not). You're basically trading performance with ecosystem flexibility with that approach, it's just like PC vs more on the metal console programming. This is something that is going to affect them for the whole gen since it's simply a consequence of their focus on services and the MS ecosystem vs Xbox SX as a console.
Things will get better on both tools-wise and developers will learn new ways to get more out of the systems on both. Sony is also making some really good moves looking forward with their partnership with Epic over the UE5 which will be specifically optimized for PS5 and will be used in tons of multiplatform games from 2022 onwards.
So basically, the situation we're seeing right now will stick for the whole gen.
 
Well I had a liver failure, kidney (if only one) failure is probably maneagable. Also with liver failure comes kidneys failure, those two (3) organs are interconnected. Fortunately my kidneys recovered. I have around 10 pills, it's annoying, but outside of not sleeping my life improved a lot. Well I would dead without transplant...
I’m glad you were able to get a transplant 🙏
 
True, series x strength is playing last gen games, ps5 strength playing this gen games.
So now Destiny 2 is an example of a current gen title? It's a last gen game just as much as Call of Duty War zone and Rocket league yet those games have a significant improvement in performance on Xbox. Let's not use last gen titles as a sign of some sort of an advantage. Like I said they both have pros and cons.
They've been a trillion dollar company since they created the first xbox, they come in behind Sony & Nintendo every generation. At least they are consistent, last place without fail.

Finger crossed Nintendo stuff up the switch Pro then maybe second is on the cards.

It seems wrong to you because you are an xbox coolaid drinker who thinks they are good at what they do. Not even Microsoft think they are good at what they do, that's why game pass is becoming the biggest part of xboxs prioritises.
Xbox outsold both the GameCube and the Wii U and I'd hardly hold the PS3 over the 360 so it looks like you are plainly wrong on the facts. Perhaps it's you drinking kool-aid.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
How many times can this happen and someone still expresses surprise at it. It wasn't "allowed" to happen, it's been pretty consistent through many games, and the truth always was relatively close paper specs can't determine a final output in isolation from APIs, SDKs, operating systems, hardware offloads, etc.
 

sircaw

Banned
So now Destiny 2 is an example of a current gen title? It's a last gen game just as much as Call of Duty War zone and Rocket league yet those games have a significant improvement in performance on Xbox. Let's not use last gen titles as a sign of some sort of an advantage. Like I said they both have pros and cons.

Xbox outsold both the GameCube and the Wii U and I'd hardly hold the PS3 over the 360 so it looks like you are plainly wrong on the facts. Perhaps it's you drinking kool-aid.

At this present time and knowing that you have games like r+c god of war, horizon zero dawn two all coming in the next year, which console would you recommend to the average consumer?
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
well, obviously, since PS5 runs at a lower res and dips more, there might be a slightly more stable FPS. But it’s not like anyone would notice the difference anyway.

Wonder how the reaction would be if it would be the other way around. I guess then the resolution would be way more important suddenly.

In 120hz mode, both consoles are locked at 1440p. So PS5 does not run "at a lower res". It still has better frame rates than XSX.
 

recursive

Member
So where is the PS5 SSD advantage? These aren't backwards compat titles, but full next gen versions - Do devs need to do something extra to make it count?

Looking at load times (video 13m00s) its 27.56 vs 28.34 seconds - less than 1second difference - was expecting twice as fast.
Did not watch the video but this is an online game so server negotiation could bottleneck loading resulting in minimal difference locally. Just a thought.
 

dEvAnGeL

Member
So where is the PS5 SSD advantage? These aren't backwards compat titles, but full next gen versions - Do devs need to do something extra to make it count?

Looking at load times (video 13m00s) its 27.56 vs 28.34 seconds - less than 1second difference - was expecting twice as fast.
Ignorance at its finest, it is the same game as ps4 and xbox one with a res bump and 60 fps, no 16x AF, no better textures, no raytracing, same old shit.
 
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DJ12

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Xbox outsold both the GameCube and the Wii U and I'd hardly hold the PS3 over the 360 so it looks like you are plainly wrong on the facts. Perhaps it's you drinking kool-aid.
True enough xbox did beat the game cube by 2 million, I am surprised you recognise this as a win though as its a full 1 million less than ps3s margin over 360, which includes the many poor saps that had to buy multiple consoles due to them breaking inflating the sales figures.

So now Destiny 2 is an example of a current gen title? It's a last gen game just as much as Call of Duty War zone and Rocket league yet those games have a significant improvement in performance on Xbox. Let's not use last gen titles as a sign of some sort of an advantage. Like I said they both have pros and cons.
No it isn't, it been patched for next gen which means it uses the full power of the cpu and gpu which clearly results in series x taking the loss.

If it was still bc series x would win. Its the other games you mention that don't really matter
 
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ethomaz

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I don't in the least.

The problem isnt so much the machine its the expectations people had for it.

So many people pushed 12 tf would destroy the PS5 and people bought into it when certain people close to devs said all along the PS5 was going to surprise people.

For me the Series X is an amazing replacement for my Xbox One X which all it was ever meant to be.

These videos of how close these machines are in the end (TO ME) means buy which one you prefer and enjoy it.

Want Gamepass and play a shit ton of games but Xbox.

Want a true next gen console buy PS5.
Imagine going from “unless it is 20% better it won’t be a win for Xbox” to “if it match PS5 it will be a win for Xbox”.

You can’t expect people to accept that reality easily.
 

ethomaz

Banned
So Alex's mention of "considering XBox Series X is running at a more static 4K resolution in comparison to PS5" is confusing. I didn't notice that they established PS5 resolution drops more often up to that point. Is there some point in the video they go over that? All I saw was when Thomas talking about the where you walk down a straight on XSX, framerate drops but resolution doesn't drop so he's questioning if there is a DRS scaler on these versions (PS5 and XSX), it doesn't work as you'd expect. But he never mentions PS5 dropping res more than XSX that I can see. Noticed when PS5 dropped in 120 fps mode, it could go lower than XSX down to 80, so even though XSX drops more often, that's a big drop on PS5.
They are just lazy... he through Series X was not using DRS due the framerate drop but after published the video and article and called out he had to update:

[UPDATE: We've now confirmed DRS is running on Xbox Series X, so the same system is in effect on all three consoles]

So the video is not updated and has the wrong old claims Xbox was not dropping resolution.
 

M1chl

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I’m glad you were able to get a transplant 🙏
We have a thread for that if interested:
 

x@3f*oo_e!

Member
Did not watch the video but this is an online game so server negotiation could bottleneck loading resulting in minimal difference locally. Just a thought.
30 seconds waiting for a sever to respond? I don't think server has anything to do with loading a level.

Ignorance at its finest, it is the same game as ps4 and xbox one with a res bump and 60 fps, no 16x AF, no better textures, no raytracing, same old shit.
Yet it loads way way faster than the old PS4 version.

The question was - why is PS5 loading not better than the Series X version.

Maybe try answering the question properly before you start insulting people
 

FranXico

Member
30 seconds waiting for a sever to respond? I don't think server has anything to do with loading a level.


Yet it loads way way faster than the old PS4 version.

The question was - why is PS5 loading not better than the Series X version.

Maybe try answering the question properly before you start insulting people
It's a straight port that is loading assets the same way as last gen, so load times are CPU bottlenecked in both consoles.
 
At this present time and knowing that you have games like r+c god of war, horizon zero dawn two all coming in the next year, which console would you recommend to the average consumer?
If you liking gaming with your friends? None of those titles. Sony makes great single player, third person, story driven titles. They have not shown any real strength outside of their core genre. If the average person wants variety I could not recommend PlayStation over any other platform. There are several areas other platforms offer more.
 
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sircaw

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If you liking gaming with your friends? None of titles. Sony makes great single player, third person, story driven titles. They have not shown any real strength outside of their core genre. If the average person wants variety I could not recommend PlayStation over any other platform. There are several areas other platforms offer more.
As of this minute, this year which console between a Ps5 and an Xbox would you recommend to the general user?

Its a simple question,
 

x@3f*oo_e!

Member
It's a straight port that is loading assets the same way as last gen, so load times are CPU bottlenecked in both consoles.
This is ridiculous - the CPUs have 3GHz+ Zen2 cores with RAM bandwidth over 400GB/s - how can it possibly be bottlenecked ? (loading from a 5GB/s SSD.)
 
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hemo memo

Gold Member
Imagine having bought the Series X solely based on the notion that it was going to run multiplatform games better.

The warning signs were there for months but hey, what do developers (or those with close ties to developers) know?
We are still very early though so things might change.
 

Gudji

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If you liking gaming with your friends? None of titles. Sony makes great single player, third person, story driven titles. They have not shown any real strength outside of their core genre. If the average person wants variety I could not recommend PlayStation over any other platform. There are several areas other platforms offer more.
Playstation has more variety than Xbox. Fanboy gonna fanboy.
 

Md Ray

Member
variable frequency works and it obeys the laws of physics.

we shall see once next gen engines are hitting these consoles hard.

you can quote me on this /q
I'm gonna quote you on something you said before the consoles released. You said XSX will have at least a 35% advantage on avg. or something when the comparisons start to come out. Now that the comparisons are out... That wishful "35% advantage" is nowhere to be seen. What do you have to say about that? 😉
 

sircaw

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I'm gonna quote you on something you said before the consoles released. You said XSX will have at least a 35% advantage on avg. or something when the comparisons start to come out. Now that the comparisons are out... That wishful "35% advantage" is nowhere to be seen. What do you have to say about that? 😉

TOOLS RAY_TOOLS. "lollipop_disappointed:
 

Md Ray

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Don't mind me... I'm stealing it if he isn't going to use it... 👀

TOOLS RAY_TOOLS. "lollipop_disappointed:
Mate, it's so good to see you back!

the office hug GIF by EditingAndLayout
 

Aidah

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This is ridiculous - the CPUs have 3GHz+ Zen2 cores with RAM bandwidth over 400GB/s - how can it possibly be bottlenecked ? (loading from a 5GB/s SSD.)
Well, in that same video, the Xbox One X only takes 10 more seconds to load the same thing, despite its vastly inferior hardware. I don't think taking that long on the new consoles is due to any kind of hardware bottleneck. I mean we already have large games that load in a couple of seconds. It's a large shift from HDD, some just need to catch up.
 
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