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[bender]

Homie yes they are. After taking it off the damn store. Do you even know how shit Sony's Anti-Consumer store policies are? People got pissed so they go to CDPR who have to redirect them back to Sony who got pressured by the public into doing this. What kinda story are you following?

I'm not sure why you are burying the lead. People are fully aware Sony's less than ideal policies and there is certainly a discussion to be had, but that's probably better left for another thread or time. Further, even companies like Microsoft who have a better refund policy, had to amend said policy to help appease the complaints.

 

[S73v3]

AAA Gaming topics are almost as bad as american politics when it comes to cognitive dissonance.

How bout this, fuck Sony AND CDPR.

Is it really all that hard?

 

[Clear]

Sony care about burning petabytes of data that they pay big $$$ to CDN's for, providers who certainly aren't just going to give up their cut because they love gamers so much!

From Sony's perspective this is causing them hassle, negative coverage for their platform and its going to cost them money to boot; I'm sure they'll be thrilled about it all! Especially coming from a company that has done them zero favors in the past, and who's CEO is now looking to shift blame onto them!

 

[CatLady]

Seriously? Now we're going to go nuclear because a guy from CDPR liked some tweets criticizing Sony for removing their game? Really this gossipy crap is news and deserves a thread?

It seems like people are desperate to find any kind of dirt against CDPR. This reeks of the kind of hysteria and cancel culture we would expect from the REE Asylum.

Yeah, the games a buggy mess on PS4/XB1. They deserve criticism for releasing the game in that state and it's good people who are dissatisfied are getting refunds. But we don't really need to put them on a cross and crucify them

 

[Jtibh]

Homie yes they are. After taking it off the damn store. Do you even know how shit Sony's Anti-Consumer store policies are? People got pissed so they go to CDPR who have to redirect them back to Sony who got pressured by the public into doing this. What kinda story are you following?

2018 account with 260 posts.

We have a reeeeturner here jumping in to say some nonesence then back to reeee.

Ok

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This guy needs to step down as CEO.

What they did destroyed the company.

6 months of more polish to deliver a quality product on all platforms and all of this could have been avoided.

These companies need to stop promising delivery dates and just release when it's ready.

 

[EDMIX]

You make no sense.

The game was broken... if the game was fine nobody should ask refund.

What a hell the Sony bad polices has to do with that?

Agreed 100%.

I think we all can agree that Sony needs to have a better refund policy, but clearly CDPR made a choice to lie to consumers, their investors, Sony, MS etc. So Sony, MS, Best Buy etc have different refund set ups, but I don't see much of a reason to REALLY pretend the real issue here is a refund policy and not a game developer out right lying to numerous parties.

Bitching about Sony's refund policy isn't going to form some lawsuit, digital content has some pretty ironclad shit legally, as what MS and Steam do is above and beyond, as in that isn't the law, that is them saying we are literally allowing you to return something in a time frame that legally we don't actually need to. Suspect, sure, questionable? You bet. Not against the law and not anything that is going to see the loose billions in stock, get sued, dragged online etc. Its simply CDPR fanboy shills trying to scapegoat this entire thing into a "derrrr da refund on da PSN is da realllllll topic" and or "what about ANTHEMZ DOE" etc.

If Sony changes their refund policy next year, which is sound waaaaay more likely now that this whole thing is happening......so CDPR will go back to normal? No lawsuit from Poland, no lawsuit from investors, no lawsuit from fans, stock prices go back up or? They still have a world of shit to go thru, this simply isn't about a refund policy, its about a game so fucking broken, its now a viral meme for broken games..... I've never personally had a game crash this many times PS4 or any system for that matter. 1.05 patch is still resulting in crashes so its a massive issue, its not a 1 patch or 2 patch thing. This shit fundamentally is fucked up.

 

[Hugare]

Easy for him to say

Its not CDPR dealing with this reimbursements shit, its Sony

So since it's on Sony to deal with it, face the consequences

 

[ethomaz]

BTW.

The tweet you guys are trying to use to blame Sony is actually blaming CDPR bad decisions.

CDPR management basically lied and fuck up their relationship with consumers (gamers), platform holders (Sony and MS), retail (Best Buy) and shareholders lol

 

[kretos]

A third message liked by Badowski even criticised Marvel’s Avengers – another game which experienced a troubled launch – and asked why Sony hadn’t taken similar action against the Square Enix title.

maybe because SE didn't tell consumers to ask for a refund? they fucked themselves and now they are crying

 

[Fahdis]

Are you blind?

The game was broken... nothing nothing in the world could make people not want refund it.

No matter what Sony refund policy is... the refund should happen no matter what.

Because you know CDPR made a broken game. It is unique and exclusive CDPR fault.

Sony probably did something so bad to you that you are trying to blame them for CDPR shipping a broken game and consumers asking refund lol

What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have Square, O, X and Triangle stickers triangulated on your face or some shit? They didn't do shit to me. I've had a Sony console every generation. I'm against anti-consumer shit storefronts. End of story. Of course they had to be refunded Console boy. Have you ever bought a game off GOG? Bet you don't know shit about refund policies.

 

[kretos]

And maybe sony should have more robust and consumer friendly refund policies.


There's room for improvement across the whole board.

maybe they should, but i really don't care either way, i never pre order any game if you don't pre order you won't have to worry about refunds

 

[Fahdis]

2018 account with 260 posts.

We have a reeeeturner here jumping in to say some nonesence then back to reeee.

Ok

Lmao, someone doesn't agree with you. "Must be from the other forum."

Deluded and Bullies basically. You might as well have Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst sing you lullaby's to sleep while they coo you to sleep in the middle.

 

[ethomaz]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have Square, O, X and Triangle stickers triangulated on your face or some shit? They didn't do shit to me. I've had a Sony console every generation. I'm against anti-consumer shit storefronts. End of story. Of course they had to be refunded Console boy. Have you ever bought a game off GOG? Bet you don't know shit about refund policies.

You made no sense at all.

CDPR release a broken game which consumers will ask refund.
Blame Sony bad refund policies lol

Sony could have the best refund policies in the universe but what happened with CDPR could not be avoided because you know these issues are unrelated to each other.

 

[Virt McPolygon]

If Naughty Dog had developed the game, Neil’s dick wouldve been a character customization option so the player could fuck anything they wish. And also win a BAFTA!

 

[bender]

Of course they had to be refunded Console boy. Have you ever bought a game off GOG? Bet you don't know shit about refund policies.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Who doesn't like Tweets criticizing Sony?

 

[Kenpachii]

So your point?
CDPR created and shipped a broken game.
Sony is allowing everybody to refund that broken game and at the same time delisted that broken game until that broken game get ready as a non-broken game for consumer to buy it again.

But hey blame the Evil Anti-Consumer Sony lol

Game is perfectly playable on the PS4 or PS4 pro or PS5.

How is this broken?



CDPR is a company for pro consumers, they don't charge you for different versions of the game they are forwards compatible and if you don't like it they always allow refunds. It's sony that simple can't deal with this shit and they showcased it clearly with there shit ass policy's on display.

Micrososft / PC all deal with this perfectly fine. But sony naaa. Lets delist the game for them because its "unplayable"

So can they delist there own games because 30 fps is also unplayable? oh wait that doesn't work that way.

Then u got the typical sony bought shill outlets that do not dare to critize there income and there fanboys and give a shit tier review of the game, even while PC reviewers the game is absolutely in a solid state to the poitn perfectly playable even while there are bugs which these games always have.

 

[Fahdis]

You made no sense at all.

CDPR release a broken game which consumers will ask refund.
Blame Sony bad refund policies lol

Sony could have the best refund policies in the universe but what happened with CDPR could not be avoided because you know these issues are unrelated to each other.

The problem here is that you dont understand that Im actually not disagreeing with you for CDPR buggy mess. I am disagreeing with you for thinking Sony was giving refunds to gamers at first. Public pressure mounted so this happened.

 

[bender]

Game is perfectly playable on the PS4 or PS4 pro or PS5.

How is this broken?

Not to bust your balls but I had to giggle at the 0:36 minute mark. Tunnel man!

 

[wordslaughter]

I sincerely hope that future CDPR games will NEVER again be on any Sony platforms.

 

[Fahdis]

Game is perfectly playable on the PS4 or PS4 pro or PS5.

How is this broken?



CDPR is a company for pro consumers, they don't charge you for different versions of the game they are forwards compatible and if you don't like it they always allow refunds. It's sony that simple can't deal with this shit and they showcased it clearly with there shit ass policy's on display.

Micrososft / PC all deal with this perfectly fine. But sony naaa. Lets delist the game for them because its "unplayable"

So can they delist there own games because 30 fps is also unplayable? oh wait that doesn't work that way.

Then u got the typical sony bought shill outlets that do not dare to critize there income and there fanboys and give a shit tier review of the game, even while PC reviewers the game is absolutely in a solid state to the poitn perfectly playable even while there are bugs which these games always have.

Lol, these same people will be getting a free patch for the Witcher 3 after how many years for next gen consoles and not have any patience to wait for patches for games they were foaming at the mouth to get their hands on. This is why I don't buy shit Day 1. It curbs my expectations. Watch next year these same people will be like OMG GOTYYYY.

This is No Man's Sky all over again.

 

[onesvenus]

Do the things right and your game won’t be delisted lol

Simple, no?

The problem here is what's considered right. All games should be measured against the same set of rules, that's what certification is for.

If you find that some certified game doesn't really work, change your certification process to make it stricter. Doing only for one game and not others is not a great way of doing things and seems arbitrary.

I read that Anthem was bricking the PS4 at launch and was never removed.

The thing is that this is not about an unplayable game but about enforcing a refund policy that Sony didn't want.

 

[ethomaz]

Game is perfectly playable on the PS4 or PS4 pro or PS5.

How is this broken?



CDPR is a company for pro consumers, they don't charge you for different versions of the game they are forwards compatible and if you don't like it they always allow refunds. It's sony that simple can't deal with this shit and they showcased it clearly with there shit ass policy's on display.

Micrososft / PC all deal with this perfectly fine. But sony naaa. Lets delist the game for them because its "unplayable"

So can they delist there own games because 30 fps is also unplayable? oh wait that doesn't work that way.

Then u got the typical sony bought shill outlets that do not dare to critize there income and there fanboys and give a shit tier review of the game, even while PC reviewers the game is absolutely in a solid state to the poitn perfectly playable even while there are bugs which these games always have.

The game crashes your PS4, PS4 Pro or PS5 each 5 minutes.

If that is not broken then I don’t know what is lol

 

[Edgelord79]

But we don't really need to put them on a cross and crucify them.

This is how things work in the world of internet moral grandstanding. These things are fun reads, albeit sometimes exhausting as its the same thing over and over.

The refunds are offered. If people choose to take them great. Do it and lesson learned for next time. If not, they should hold their peace. CDPR is paying a pretty huge price right now. They're reputation is completely tarnished and their stock has dropped enough to make investors concerned.

This lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone because all it does is incite people.

 

[Kenpachii]

Lol, these same people will be getting a free patch for the Witcher 3 after how many years for next gen consoles and not have any patience to wait for patches for games they were foaming at the mouth to get their hands on. This is why I don't buy shit Day 1. It curbs my expectations. Watch next year these same people will be like OMG GOTYYYY.

This is No Man's Sky all over again.

Exactly, no man sky was another good example where sony refund policy's where put in the spotlight and frankly i have no clue how there console is still allowed to be sold in the EU because of it.

 

[BeardGawd]

They should spend more time fixing their game and less time on Twitter.



If you want to point fingers at Sony and their policies for this fiasco, I'd start with how they certify titles. The game should have never been offered in the first place and I do think all the platform holders share some culpability in that.

I doubt the the tweet is entirely true either. The number of complaints Sony received is probably a bigger chunk of why the game was pulled and refunds were issued. Let's not forget Microsoft and BestBuy went outside of their policies as well thanks to this half baked cake.

CDPR started the refund talks themselves. Noone else. Everyone else Sony, MS, Bestbuy, etc are followimg CDPR's lead here. It was very consumer friendly for them to guarantee refunds for everyone. You didn't see Square Enix offer the same for Avengers.

I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of consoles owners opted not to get a refund unlike the toxic echo chamber you see online. Negative people are usually the loudest as is the case here.

 

[ethomaz]

The problem here is what's considered right. All games should be measured against the same set of rules, that's what certification is for.

If you find that some certified game doesn't really work, change your certification process to make it stricter. Doing only for one game and not others is not a great way of doing things and seems arbitrary.

I read that Anthem was bricking the PS4 at launch and was never removed.

The thing is that this is not about an unplayable game but about enforcing a refund policy that Sony didn't want.

Yeap we should forever accept broken games because we accepted some in the past...
What happened with Anthem was wrong so let’s keep doing the things wrong lol

That mindset is why publishers things patches are suppose to make the game has payable and not add QoL and new content... publishers thinks they don’t need to ship a game in the best condition because they can fix them later lol

It is good the industry got a shake up because what CDPR did with CP2078 should never happen with any game ever.

 

[Kenpachii]

The game crashes your PS4, PS4 Pro or PS5 each 5 minutes.

If that is not broken then I don’t know what is lol

Ah gotta resort to bullshit. Typical.

Yeap we should riveter accept broken games...
What happened with Anthem was wrong so let’s keep doing the things wrong lol

I call every game that sits under 60 fps unplayable.

Can sony ban every single game on the PS4? thanks. It's all broken.

lalalalalal

 

[Keihart]

If Naughty Dog had developed the game, Neil’s dick wouldve been a character customization option so the player could fuck anything they wish. And also win a BAFTA!

World Wide Studios has never released a game in a comparable state to any of the remembered triple A releases to which CP2077 is compared. They have even delayed games for over a generation before releasing a raw lump of a bugged barely running game.

When you look at the worst launches like Driveclub and Days Gone , even then, those games performed within expectations and where never riddled with enough bugs to create such a shitstorm and where also tended with swiftly updates to fix game breaking bugs within the first few weeks.

 

[Kenpachii]

World Wide Studios has never released a game in a comparable state to any of the remembered triple A releases to which CP2077 is compared. They have even delayed games for over a generation before releasing a raw lump of a bugged barely running game.

When you look at the worst launches like Driveclub and Days Gone , even then, those games performed within expectations and where never riddled with enough bugs to create such a shitstorm and where also tended with swiftly updates to fix game breaking bugs within the first few weeks.

Go ask people on PC about horizon zero dawn.

 

[THEAP99]

He can like all the comments he wants to like, but that doesn't change the fact that he probably won't be employed at CD PROJEKT RED one year from now.

 

[ethomaz]

Ah gotta resort to bullshit. Typical.

Just facts.

BTW patch 1.05 just like 1.04 didn’t fix any constant crash issue.

The game still crashes frequently on PS4, PS4 Pro and PS5.

 

[THEAP99]

If Naughty Dog had developed the game, Neil’s dick wouldve been a character customization option so the player could fuck anything they wish. And also win a BAFTA!

If Naughty Dog made the game, it would be over a 90 on metacritic!

 

[Fahdis]

Go ask people on PC about horizon zero dawn.

Don't throw logic at them. They are literally too much in love with console wars and their fav system to accept flaws. I love Sony Exclusives. But even I have to point out shit that would benefit all of us by criticizing them. CDPR already made a mess, but to not criticize Anti-Consumer Sony Policies is kicking yourself in the face. Fix both issues at the same time.

 

[Keihart]

Go ask people on PC about horizon zero dawn.

a PC port years after the release ? Yeah, totally the same dude

 

[JerryinSoCal]

And what a fucked up anti-consumer store policy is that. Fuck Sony and their policies.

Sorry but digital purchases where you play for hours shouldn't be subject to a refund, you can't return games to stores that have been opened so why should digital be different? The fact that CDPR was telling people to get refunds if they wanted to without talking about it with Sony first put them in a bad spot, it's not free for them to provide the bandwidth it takes to download a game nor is it free to reverse credit card charges or paying the employees who process the refunds.

 

[wordslaughter]

If Naughty Dog made the game, it would be over a 90 on metacritic!

Exactly, it would have been a shit game with a garbage story BUT have the "right politics" to artificially inflate the score.

 

[THEAP99]

Go ask people on PC about horizon zero dawn.

Sony didn't port that

 

[ethomaz]

Exactly, it would have been a shit game with a garbage story BUT have the "right politics" to artificially inflate the score.

Thankful ND games were always great in these points.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Some folks having trouble dealing with this spanking by Sony....

You can tell how much they personally invested into their attachment with CDPR. Like a family member being put on trial. All sort of emotions running high..

Grasping by making it all about hypocrisy and "fairness" on a broken ass, bug infested game. Corps are shameless, but so are you as well by shamelessly defending the crap. And for those still giving the game a go despite all the issues.....you better hope your save file don't hit the 8 MB death trap. It's like the game doesn't want you to play it.

 

[wordslaughter]

Thankful ND games were always great in these points.

Used to be. Not anymore. Now they are woke garbage. TLOU2 was literally the worst story and the worst treatment of characters I've seen in a game. Cuckman needs to be fired but won't be because he has the "right politics."

 

[onesvenus]

Yeap we should forever accept broken games because we accepted some in the past...
What happened with Anthem was wrong so let’s keep doing the things wrong lol

That mindset is why publishers things patches are suppose to make the game has payable and not add QoL and new content... publishers thinks they don’t need to ship a game in the best condition because they can fix them later lol

It is good the industry got a shake up because what CDPR did with CP2078 should never happen with any game ever.

I agree with the last part of your post but not with the rest. I never said that.

What should be obvious to everyone is that Sony hasn't announced a stricter set of mesures for certification. They never even acknowledged the game having problems. They only talked about the refunds.

I would love for certification to become stricter in all platforms if that made games better. I don't expect it though.

I'm sure Sony wouldn't have done anything if CDPR didn't speak about refunds and I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't have done anything if Sony hadn't.

 

[Jtibh]

Lmao, someone doesn't agree with you. "Must be from the other forum."

Deluded and Bullies basically. You might as well have Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst sing you lullaby's to sleep.

Go back to reee and bullshit over there with your woke buddies

 

[Fahdis]

Go back to reee and bullshit over there with your woke buddies

I think you're the seething little brat that thinks he's high above everyone else. This is my preferred forum. Too butthurt you got banned for talking about too much diversity? Lmao.

 

[Edgelord79]

I'm sure Sony wouldn't have done anything if CDPR didn't speak about refunds and I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't have done anything if Sony hadn't.

The fact that CDPR forced Sony's hand in refunding maybe millions definitely may have played a part in this. The last thing any console manufacturer wants is to start setting precedence for refunds.

There may be some more scrutiny on refunds policies after this.

Incidentally I agree with your comments about certification being helpful in this regard. I do think there will be resistance to that though as that means more development time and costs.

 

[ethomaz]

I agree with the last part of your post but not with the rest. I never said that.

What should be obvious to everyone is that Sony hasn't announced a stricter set of mesures for certification. They never even acknowledged the game having problems. They only talked about the refunds.

I would love for certification to become stricter in all platforms if that made games better. I don't expect it though.

I'm sure Sony wouldn't have done anything if CDPR didn't speak about refunds and I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't have done anything if Sony hadn't.

I agree with the certification part.
My comment was about tried to use a old example as some excuse to not delist CP2077 not or any future game with same issues.

What is past is past... what it will happen after is the focus.

I hope the gaming industry grow with this case.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Bookmarking this so we can this conversation again next time a EA/Bethesda bugfest is released - and it will happen, sooner or later - and miraculously Sony does not pull the game from the PS Store after weeks of memory leaks, crashes and assorted hardware problems.

You are about to be cancelled. You can't say that about our beloved Sony. Of course they only care about the players /s. CDPR/GOG has been one of the most consumer friendly companies, with one of the best policies in literally all time.

I know you're both desperately trying to blame Sony for this shitshow somehow but the difference is that CDPR offered full refunds without telling anyone, Bethesda/EA never did. Sony were never submerged with thousands of refund requests all at the same time with the other releases.

You have to give third-parties (Sony, Amazon, MS, Best Buy, Gamestop) some time to plan this massive fuckup instead of jumping at their throat. CDPR is the guilty party here. Sorry.

 

[LordBlodgett]

Hey man no need to yell!

 

[Kenpachii]

I think you're the seething little s*it that thinks he's high above everyone else. This is my preferred forum. Too butthurt you got banned for talking about too much diversity? Lmao.

Sony fanboys mate, they can't deal with the reality. U often recognise them by putting smiley icons on reactions funny enough. Always the same clowns.

I agree with the last part of your post but not with the rest. I never said that.

What should be obvious to everyone is that Sony hasn't announced a stricter set of mesures for certification. They never even acknowledged the game having problems. They only talked about the refunds.

I would love for certification to become stricter in all platforms if that made games better. I don't expect it though.

I'm sure Sony wouldn't have done anything if CDPR didn't speak about refunds and I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't have done anything if Sony hadn't.

That's the whole issue. They tested the product and thought it was fine. CDPR is on a heavy time table and basically shipped it because sony found it acceptable for there lower end platform. Then when shit hits the fan and people want a refund cdpr allows them because they know they fucked up to help people out and even goes out of there way to do it with physical copy's.

But ofcourse one company decides to throw a tantrum which is called sony.

Now its not unexpected from them tho, because the company has been heavily infiltrated already for a while by mentally ill SJW's. So its not shocking even remotely they tried to cancel CDPR and there you go.

Here's a good example of current day sony.