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Stadia

Stadia

  • Will die in 2021

    Votes: 154 37.9%
  • Will die before the next gen (PS6)

    Votes: 158 38.9%
  • Will be kinda sucessful

    Votes: 67 16.5%
  • Will beat the PS5

    Votes: 27 6.7%

  • Total voters
    406
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Stadia and GeForce Now are fine, but they really don't compete with a console in terms of image quality.

I've been playing Metro 2033 on an Xbox One X (1080P/60FPS locked) and comparing it against the same Metro 2033 on Stadia (Pro susbscription at 4K with a fiber connection of 620 MBs). The Xbox version blows out of the water the Stadia one, in terms of image quality, colors and frame rate stability.
True but it was already since DF comparison.
When you don't push Stadia to its current limits, you'll obtain mediocre results.
Cyberpunk proved Stadia wasn't well utilized until now:


Comparisons have shown far better framerate than all Xbox consoles, more vibrant colors and also blurry image on console. Series X keeps a better IQ though but Stadia will improve.(and consoles are not all sharp, Doom Eternal on Switch is very blurry)

That's the very concept of cloud gaming, everything will be better without buying hardware.

Your experience was early 2019/early 2020 Stadia.

2020/early 2021 Stadia has already impressed journalists and gamers.
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
I have a problem with the fact you need to buy hardware for Stadia, and then buy games.... and ultimately you own fucking nothing and it all becomes poof, gone, when they pull the plug.

With literally every other platform, its possible to keep your copy locally and keep playing it. That's the key difference.

Yeah 'ownership' is moot but possession is 9/10ths of the law (or something, however that saying goes).
Yeah, you don't need to buy hardware or pay sub on Stadia.
(premiere edition is an option to improve latency with the controller and IQ with the CCU)


I thought Stadia PRO was an awful model (the game offer was bad indeed) but i finally find it better than gamepass.

Gamepass it's a monthly fee, with more than 100 games you can play with a time limit. (New additions quite often.)

Stadia is a monthly sub, with bonus games you can keep with one limit (you stop Stadia Pro, you cannot play them. You sub again, you have them back)

5 years later, with gamepass you played more games but you kept non of them. With Stadia Pro, you'll have access to 200 to 300 games with no time limit. (60 games from 2019 to 2020)

Stadia Pro is not better, i just prefer the business model.
 
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aries_71

Junior Member
As we speak, Stadia and the entire Google ecosystems is down. Reports from all over the world at reddit.

It looks that cyberpunk bugs were too much even for Google to survive...
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Speaking of Stadia... is it working now? :p (as of timestamp of this post)
Good one. Let's see if it lasts several days/weeks (when a playstation is broken, Sony must fix it the first year. It could take weeks.It happens very often with Sony Hardwares.)
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Speaking of Stadia... is it working now? :p (as of timestamp of this post)
Stadia is already back.

Didn't have time to watch a porn :(


But i'll stop bumping my Stadia thread, cloud gamers are not sectarian, we are interested by the tech, the possibilities of such offer.
(GFN, LUNA, Xcloud, PSNO... PE, this one is too crappy :messenger_beaming: )


Best thread ever
:messenger_beaming: :messenger_beermugs: :messenger_ok: :messenger_beermugs: :messenger_blowing_kiss:
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Had to get the jab in while it lasted, lol. It wasn't going to last long.
That's fair 😎.

I'm glad i don't have to deal with dead consoles and unreachable support anymore:
"20 to 30 days to have my playstation 5 back" :messenger_ok: :messenger_beermugs: :messenger_ok:


Stadia is down?
I take a leak...
Stadia is back :messenger_beaming:
 
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K.S v2.0

Banned
That's fair 😎.

I'm glad i don't have to deal with dead consoles and unreachable support anymore:
"20 to 30 days to have my playstation 5 back" :messenger_ok: :messenger_beermugs: :messenger_ok:


Stadia is down?
I take a leak...
Stadia is back :messenger_beaming:


Tho you get my point too.

If PSN goes down, PS3/4/5 etc is still usable. XBL goes down, you can still play your Xbox.

Google goes down? Welp...
 

Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Tho you get my point too.

If PSN goes down, PS3/4/5 etc is still usable. XBL goes down, you can still play your Xbox.

Google goes down? Welp...
Bad internet gamers cannot play Stadia anyway, it's a good thing regular console will always have a room :)
 
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Thanati

Member
I have a problem with the fact you need to buy hardware for Stadia, and then buy games.... and ultimately you own fucking nothing and it all becomes poof, gone, when they pull the plug.

With literally every other platform, its possible to keep your copy locally and keep playing it. That's the key difference.

Yeah 'ownership' is moot but possession is 9/10ths of the law (or something, however that saying goes).
What hardware do you need to buy for stadia? If you have a laptop, phone or any desktop computer then that’s all you need. I presume you have a PS or Xbox controller, or mouse a d keyboard? Again, you have all that you need.

And yeah, you don’t have a physical copy, true, but that’s cloud gaming for you.
 

jigglet

Banned
It’ll limp on until there’s a critical mass of good enough connections globally, then it’ll be rebranded.
 

K.S v2.0

Banned
What hardware do you need to buy for stadia? If you have a laptop, phone or any desktop computer then that’s all you need. I presume you have a PS or Xbox controller, or mouse a d keyboard? Again, you have all that you need.

And yeah, you don’t have a physical copy, true, but that’s cloud gaming for you.

Yeah I was corrected and I stand corrected. I was under the wrong impression.

Read some shit somewhere that you had to buy SOME hardware...

Bad internet gamers cannot play Stadia anyway, it's a good thing regular console will always have a room :)

This is true, and there's plenty of room in the world for both to exist.

Cyberpunk is a good show of Stadia's strengths.
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Comparisons have shown far better framerate than all Xbox consoles, more vibrant colors and also blurry image on console. Series X keeps a better IQ though but Stadia will improve.(and consoles are not all sharp, Doom Eternal on Switch is very blurry)

That's the very concept of cloud gaming, everything will be better without buying hardware.

Your experience was early 2019/early 2020 Stadia.

2020/early 2021 Stadia has already impressed journalists and gamers.

All consoles are running a shitty last-gen version of the game.

It's totally fair to say that Stadia "wins" against them today for Cyberpunk, but is that really the promise of Stadia being met? They are supposed to be a competitor to next-gen consoles, not last-gen consoles. The results have been seriously mixed, with Stadia often barely competing with last-gen "pro" consoles that are years old. Different games seem to be either horribly optimized, or are not being given the full power Stadia can offer, nobody knows why Destiny 2 runs with such low settings for instance, while RDR2 isn't so bad. But even RDR2 is neck and neck with the Xbox One X version of the game... and is not competitive with PCs in the same TF range, not even close.
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
All consoles are running a shitty last-gen version of the game.

It's totally fair to say that Stadia "wins" against them today for Cyberpunk, but is that really the promise of Stadia being met? They are supposed to be a competitor to next-gen consoles, not last-gen consoles. The results have been seriously mixed, with Stadia often barely competing with last-gen "pro" consoles that are years old. Different games seem to be either horribly optimized, or are not being given the full power Stadia can offer, nobody knows why Destiny 2 runs with such low settings for instance, while RDR2 isn't so bad. But even RDR2 is neck and neck with the Xbox One X version of the game... and is not competitive with PCs in the same TF range, not even close.
Like I said, Cloud Gaming is improving all the time, that's the promise.


Yesterday, it was beaten by the One X.

Today, it's beating the Series S, is on par with PS5 (no one said Cyberpunk Stadia won't have an upgrad too).

Tomorrow, true PS5 Cyberpunk will beat Stadia Cyberpunk.

The day after tomorrow, Stadia will be superior.

In 5 years, Stadia will beat PS5Pro but be beaten by PS6 et cetera.
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Like I said, Cloud Gaming is improving all the time, that's the promise.


Yesterday, it was beaten by the One X.

Today, it's beating the Series S, is on par with PS5 (no one said Cyberpunk Stadia won't have an upgrad too).

Tomorrow, true PS5 Cyberpunk will beat Stadia Cyberpunk.

The day after tomorrow, Stadia will be superior.

In 5 years, Stadia will beat PS5Pro but be beaten by PS6 et cetera.

I'm confused why you are so confident in this.

Stadia released in 2019 and barely competed with 2 year old consoles with significantly less actual advertised power (that are well below what is available on PC as well.)

Stadia is not really "beating" PS5/XSX right now either; you are using a broken last-gen game to make that statement. AC Valhalla runs like shit on Stadia, at settings well below what PS5 is putting out, just as one example.

I'm not saying Stadia is absolutely terrible or trying to "hate" on it.. the actual cloud gaming aspects are pretty good, if you have a low latency connection to their servers it feels pretty flawless. But as far as graphical power goes? Stadia is not living up to the promise of a 10TF+ GPU and modern 8-core CPU that they advertised.

There's no real evidence yet that Stadia is going to out-pace anyone with graphical power.
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Stadia is beating Series S and PS5 according to many observers. (PS5 could have a next gen upgrad but it's not DBZ magical awakening. If you add Raytracing, better textures then forget the current 60 FPS and pray for a steady 30FPS...)

Valhalla is bad example since it's less demanding than Cyberpunk. (Ubisoft just done shit on Stadia... it's better looking on Luna for instance)

On the biggest game Stadia has the edge for last gen and weakest next gen. (don't expect Super Saiyan v2 for Cyberpunk Series S either)


Stadia evolution is locked. Some developpers already talk about gen2.

It's delusional to think Stadia nex gen won't have Raytracing for instance.
 
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IntentionalPun

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Stadia is beating Series S and PS5 according to many observers. (PS5 could have a next gen upgrad but it's not DBZ magical awakening. If you add Raytracing, better textures then forget the current 60 FPS and pray for a steady 30FPS...)

Valhalla is bad example since it's less demanding than Cyberpunk. (Ubisoft just done shit on Stadia... it's better looking on Luna for instance)

So an actual next-gen game running poorly compared to PS5 is a bad example, but the PS5 running a copy of the game designed for PS4 Pro is a good example?

It's so weird we already have Stadia fanboys lol

The game is not actually out for PS5 yet... AC Valhalla is.
 
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johntown

Banned
I think Stadia will have a few years in it. Google won't give up that easy. I don't see it going anywhere though or even coming close to being an actual competitor in the gaming space.
 

Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
So an actual next-gen game running poorly compared to PS5 is a bad example, but the PS5 running a copy of the game designed for PS4 Pro is a good example?

It's so weird we already have Stadia fanboys lol

The game is not actually out for PS5 yet... AC Valhalla is.

I don't agree with you, so i'm a fanboy.

You are the very definition of a fanboy.
I'm team Geforce Now, genius.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I don't agree with you, so i'm a fanboy.

You are the very definition of a fanboy.
I'm team Geforce Now, genius.
You are acting like a fanboy because you are ignoring sound logic to hype Stadia.

What exactly am I the definition of a fanboy of here?

And neat, you use GeForce Now instead of Stadia.. you are still acting like a Stadia fanboy here.

"A game that doesn't require much power running poorly on Stadia is a bad example" ROFL
 
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I'm confused why you are so confident in this.

Stadia released in 2019 and barely competed with 2 year old consoles with significantly less actual advertised power (that are well below what is available on PC as well.)

Stadia is not really "beating" PS5/XSX right now either; you are using a broken last-gen game to make that statement. AC Valhalla runs like shit on Stadia, at settings well below what PS5 is putting out, just as one example.

We can pretty clearly see with the Cyberpunk port that Stadia's power was being underutilized.

Next-gen consoles are more powerful right now, but it's easier for them to upgrade their servers to either match or beat the power in the X and PS5 than it is for Sony or Microsoft to develop, mass produce, and sell new console hardware.
 

Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
Valhalla is bad example since much more demanding games run better than Ubi's game...(it proves 2020 Stadia wasn't fully utilized on Valhalla)

Cloud Gaming improves through time, it's a given. Not hard to understand. (sooner or later they'll change blades. They don't have eternal life.)
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
We can pretty clearly see with the Cyberpunk port that Stadia's power was being underutilized.

Next-gen consoles are more powerful right now, but it's easier for them to upgrade their servers to either match or beat the power in the X and PS5 than it is for Sony or Microsoft to develop, mass produce, and sell new console hardware.

This is nonsensical though. Stadia has a tiny userbase right now, so sure, upgrading is relatively cheap (but still not a small expenditure for something likely deep in the red.)

But if a cloud platform actually takes off? What makes anyone think that it will be financially viable to upgrade them often? It makes no sense.. hardware on the console side is now something companies can profit off of as well. Sony planned the PS4 around the ability to profit fairly quickly on it and the same is likely true for PS5. They are only loss leaders at launch, and the sale of a couple of games makes that money back.

Stadia will likely get upgraded 1.5 years in.. which is nice.. but the initial Stadia hardware has not been competing against 3 year old consoles that have 4-6TF GPUs in them.. so why are people expecting much out of Gen 2?
 
This is nonsensical though. Stadia has a tiny userbase right now, so sure, upgrading is relatively cheap (but still not a small expenditure for something likely deep in the red.)

But if a cloud platform actually takes off? What makes anyone think that it will be financially viable to upgrade them often? It makes no sense.. hardware on the console side is now something companies can profit off of as well. Sony planned the PS4 around the ability to profit fairly quickly on it and the same is likely true for PS5. They are only loss leaders at launch, and the sale of a couple of games makes that money back.

Stadia will likely get upgraded 1.5 years in.. which is nice.. but the initial Stadia hardware has not been competing against 3 year old consoles that have 4-6TF GPUs in them.. so why are people expecting much out of Gen 2?

I don't think you've been paying attention that well if you think they haven't been competing. There have been bad ports, but you have instances where the performance either matches the previous-gen console, beats them in-terms of input latency, or like cyberpunk blows them out of the water. And that's without the upfront $500 cost to the consumer. They're, at the least, giving performance parity with zero upfront cost.

It's amazing to me how you can call Google upgrading their server architecture in time with next-gen consoles nonsensical at the same time you speculate about Google's revenue, future console profitability, how often Stadia gets upgraded, and Stadia Gen 2 performance.
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I don't think you've been paying attention that well if you think they haven't been competing. There have been bad ports, but you have instances where the performance either matches the previous-gen console, beats them in-terms of input latency, or like cyberpunk blows them out of the water. And that's without the upfront $500 cost to the consumer. They're, at the least, giving performance parity with zero upfront cost.

It's amazing to me how you can call Google upgrading their server architecture in time with next-gen consoles nonsensical at the same time you speculate about Google's revenue, future console profitability, how often Stadia gets upgraded, and Stadia Gen 2 performance.
You are right; I really meant "is only competing with and losing at times" to those last-gen "Pro" consoles.

"It's amazing to me how you can call Google upgrading their server architecture in time with next-gen consoles nonsensical"

I didn't say that though; I said it's nonsensical to claim it's "easier" for a cloud provider to upgrade. That is going to be an incredibly expensive thing to do for any cloud provider. They have to do all the things a console manufacturer does.

And my point about Gen 2 performance; why is anyone that confident in it when Gen 1 performance is barely competing with 3 year old consoles?
 
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Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
You are right; I really meant "is only competing with and losing at times" to those last-gen "Pro" consoles.

"It's amazing to me how you can call Google upgrading their server architecture in time with next-gen consoles nonsensical"

I didn't say that though; I said it's nonsensical to claim it's "easier" for a cloud provider to upgrade. That is going to be an incredibly expensive thing to do for any cloud provider. They have to do all the things a console manufacturer does.
It's one thing upgrading the servers, but it may also require devs to going and doing new work to target the higher specs. We also don't know if Google would just allow all devs to do that or keep some locked to the launch hardware profile of their game so they can still utilise the old hardware, it will be interesting to see how it is handled when updated hardware is released.
 

Thanati

Member
Yeah I was corrected and I stand corrected. I was under the wrong impression.

Read some shit somewhere that you had to buy SOME hardware...



This is true, and there's plenty of room in the world for both to exist.

Cyberpunk is a good show of Stadia's strengths.

to be fair, you can buy a chromecast if you want. I needed one as my TV is pretty old now. But when I play on my laptop or phone, it’s all good :)

Give it a try. I think you can try all the pro games for a month for free and then cancel.

oh, the Pro is a $9.99 monthly subscription. That gives you access to the 4K streaming and free games every month.

If you don’t subscribe, you just pay for the game and can only play in 1080p.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's one thing upgrading the servers, but it may also require devs to going and doing new work to target the higher specs. We also don't know if Google would just allow all devs to do that or keep some locked to the launch hardware profile of their game so they can still utilise the old hardware, it will be interesting to see how it is handled when updated hardware is released.

Yeah it will be interesting. Will it be determined per-game, or will customers maybe pay extra to access higher-tier machines?

Current state of affairs leads me to believe that different games might already be getting different amounts of power. Their setup supports virtualization, so they are capable of having 2 gamers sharing the same "instance" and it really feels like that is what is happening.

This whole "some games are bad ports" thing doesn't add up when Destiny 2 is one of those games and they had 2 google devs embedded for nearly a year working on the port with them.

Even if you can blame a "bad port" for that; that's pretty concerning.. but I personally think it isn't a bad port, I think Destiny 2 is using half a Stadia instance.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
stop being positive about stadia it's disgusting
:messenger_pouting:
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oagboghi2

Member
I... actually kinda like Stadia.

Sure, it's a completely inferior product to "local" gaming on consoles or PC. Their pricing model got infinitely better now that you don't have to buy a subscription AND purchase games (it's now either/or, like it should have been from the beginning). Just this week they started rolling out direct-to-Youtube game streaming. With my $10/month Stadia Pro subscription (which I cancel / re-subscribe if there aren't any games I'm interested in coming out similar to Humble Choice) I have a library of about 50 games on the platform now that typically grows by 6-8 new games per month. The platform is starting to get some decent sales - I bought the $100 Borderlands 3 edition yesterday for $11 which is far cheaper than it's been anywhere else. I got Tomb Raider reboot for free ($10 coupon for being a member, game discounted to $9.99) and Crayta also a few weeks ago.

My phone paired with a Razer Kishi is an excellent way for me to play Stadia games on the go - or at least where I have wifi. Personally I'd compare it more with the Switch than anything else, and honestly the games look and run better. Even when I'm at home and have access to other consoles, it's easy to pop Stadia open and play while my wife is watching TV or whatever else. So it personally meets my needs.
Stadia is a lot more worthwhile now that I have a razor kishi.

Google marketed it all wrong. Instead of presenting it as a console/TV option, competing with the Playstation, they should have made a kishi clone, packed it in, and sold it as making your current cellphone a switch replacement. Maybe even made a bigger "gaming" version of their 5G pixel phone

Google made so many mistakes with this platform. No vision
 

IntentionalPun

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Looks like it's US only for the time being, but great to see it finally coming.

I've been waiting for this; I might sign up for Ubisoft + and then use Stadia as a way to quickly check out games and see if I want to bother actually downloading them to my PC.

The big problem I have with Stadia is the idea of buying content that I can't use outside Stadia. I much prefer the hybrid model where streaming is just an option. The more of that they come out with, the more likely I am to use the service.. only benefits them if I subscribe to Pro, but the chances of that go up the more I use Stadia Free.
 

mrMUR_96

Member
How's the control responsiveness tho? Since its streaming, the input lag has GOT to be there... right?
Honestly it's very impressive and hard to notice at all. In fact it has better latency than a lot of ps4/xone games due to 60fps vs 30fps. Apparently they're doing some magic with the way they route the traffic to their servers in terms of reducing the amount of hops across the network it needs to do. Definitely worth a try considering there's some free stuff on there these days. I'm lucky to be close to one of their main data centres (london) so perhaps your mileage will vary. I also have cp2077 on pc and I've made stadia my main platform for it because of the constant patches they're pushing out for it.
EDIT: Also, the loading is very fast due to the beefy server CPUs and SSDs.
 
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Fat Frog

I advertised for Google Stadia
"I won’t get into all the bugs I’ve encountered, but compared to playing the game on Stadia and GeForce Now, the game ran much, much smoother via the cloud than on my high-end PC"
 

aries_71

Junior Member
Probably the biggest Achilles heel of Stadia is patch management. As an example, all platforms except Stadia are running Cyberpunk patch 1.04, while Stadia is still at 1.02 and it doesn’t look that will change anytime soon (and please, don’t give me the shit-line that the Stadia version is not buggy)
 
Definitely worth a try considering there's some free stuff on there these days. I'm lucky to be close to one of their main data centres (london) so perhaps your mileage will vary. I also have cp2077 on pc and I've made stadia my main platform for it because of the constant patches they're pushing out for it.
EDIT: Also, the loading is very fast due to the beefy server CPUs and SSDs.

What constant patches?
 

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
Probably the biggest Achilles heel of Stadia is patch management. As an example, all platforms except Stadia are running Cyberpunk patch 1.04, while Stadia is still at 1.02 and it doesn’t look that will change anytime soon (and please, don’t give me the shit-line that the Stadia version is not buggy)
This is a dev/publisher problem, not a Stadia platform problem. I would imagine Stadia is actually easier to patch than the consoles and less risky, but maybe the devs haven't received as much negative feedback on the Stadia version, so 1.03 and 1.04 are focussed on other platforms. There is always a possibility that Stadia has a more vigorous certification process for patches, but I've not sen any evidence of that in the past.
 
Considering they are trying to give it away all the time now, it is going to die within the next 2 years.

I got a free Stadia recently for having YouTube Prime. Then they were giving it away if you bought CP2077 on Stadia.. and some other game...
 

EverydayBeast

thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Game developers have been barking about streaming and it will be something someday but not now.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
This is a dev/publisher problem, not a Stadia platform problem. I would imagine Stadia is actually easier to patch than the consoles and less risky, but maybe the devs haven't received as much negative feedback on the Stadia version, so 1.03 and 1.04 are focussed on other platforms. There is always a possibility that Stadia has a more vigorous certification process for patches, but I've not sen any evidence of that in the past.
The bigger problem with Stadia is it's userbase is tiny.

They probably sold under 100k on Stadia, and I'm being generous even using that number.

On their investor call today they said they only plan on ever releasing 1 more patch on Stadia...seems rather obvious why (a huge waste of money for them really.)
 

IntentionalPun

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"I won’t get into all the bugs I’ve encountered, but compared to playing the game on Stadia and GeForce Now, the game ran much, much smoother via the cloud than on my high-end PC"
This article is so poorly written..

the cloud is the best place to play Cyberpunk 2077 for anyone with an RTX 2060 or lower who doesn’t want to look at Night City on medium or low graphics.

Maybe on GeForce now; but on Stadia the game runs nowhere near "high" settings, and has no ray tracing.. which this article tries to frame as being important at the beginning then hand-waves it away for Stadia.

The Stadia version does look and play great (because this game on medium does look pretty damn good); but you can get that on a mid-range gaming PC too.

I'm all for honest reporting that the Stadia version is good; but this article is a total crock of shit.
 

aries_71

Junior Member
This article is so poorly written..



Maybe on GeForce now; but on Stadia the game runs nowhere near "high" settings, and has no ray tracing.. which this article tries to frame as being important at the beginning then hand-waves it away for Stadia.

The Stadia version does look and play great (because this game on medium does look pretty damn good); but you can get that on a mid-range gaming PC too.

I'm all for honest reporting that the Stadia version is good; but this article is a total crock of shit.
Still, in my opinion there's an important image quality difference between the 4k Stadia stream (be it 1600P or whatever it is), and the 1080P GeForceNow stream. I don't think the RTX/higher density of the Geforce now is really an advantage when compared to the 4K Stadia stream.
 
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