ethomaz
Banned
They probably shipped around that in NA.
I believe Canada is usually 10% of US shipment.
With these NPD data I strong believe Sony shipped around 1.5m units for NA.
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NPD: PlayStation 5 has highest launch month for a hardware platform in U.S. history.
I believe Canada is usually 10% of US shipment.
With these NPD data I strong believe Sony shipped around 1.5m units for NA.
Yselacrey00
Banned
This isn't news, Xbox debuting lower than Xbox one is. And people say Phill is doing a great job... Here, have some numbers and face the truth about Xbox state right now. At the end of the day, those who have the best games wins.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Guess we'll find out. Hugely impressive either way.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
- Satya thinks cloud gaming is going to take off, that's why he supports XBox right now, I am keenly aware of this, not ignorant of it
- Sony outright reports their profits, quit telling me I "don't know the first thing" when I am literally sharing actual FACTS with you
- If the Xbox division was profitable it's likely Microsoft would report that, that's all I said, I made it clear I was speculating, it's an educated guess, and one that pretty much everyone paying attention agrees with
But either way you can just kind of in general fuck off with your condescending moron routine. Have a nice day, or don't.
And you have plenty of time to get used to the fact that your beloved record selling platform doesn't get around 98% of the upcoming major games from third-parties.
Eevee86
Member
Yes. How terrible that we have to turn on our other consoles. Since most Switch owners are perfectly okay with owning multiple platforms, I guess we just get more to play than you.
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'Seeing the Switch selling so well is so important because now I get to turn on my other console in order to actually play third-party games made by the entire industry.'
Best. Argument. Ever. for how healthy Switch's game library is.
I own a Switch.
Enjoy playing sales number on Switch as much as you want, but don't let objective facts get to you and hurt your feelings.
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yurinka
Member
PS5 and Series X|S launched in more countries at the same time than they ever did, so had to spread the units between more countries.
According to NPD PS5 sold more units for its launch month than any other gaming platform released in gaming history, so it doesn't make sense to ask them to have more units for launch when nobody else was able to have more units. And well, they produced, shipped and released the consoles in the middle pandemic.
Both Sony and MS said they sold out all the units they produced, and that they produced all the units they could in this time frame.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Switch has great exclusives. PS5 has great exclusives and multi-platform AAA games. Both are great. Everyone wins.
Well, almost everyone.
Afro Republican
Banned
People now using thier heads on Xbox vs. PS5 sales, MS didn't lie about their biggest launch ever announcement, that was for WW not NPD. In 2013, when Xbox One sold 1 million in 24 hours most of that was also outside the US. Let's wait and see how well MS restocks for December NPD, for lll we know it'll be the PS5 this month.
Xbox loss in Nov NPD can also be easily pointed to stock, as people are having issues finding Xbox One's to by, and we have no idea how far the gap between PS5 and XSX is, at least from NPD's view.
Xbox loss in Nov NPD can also be easily pointed to stock, as people are having issues finding Xbox One's to by, and we have no idea how far the gap between PS5 and XSX is, at least from NPD's view.
Afro Republican
Banned
Looking through the thread more people are saying Xbox is in trouble, without knowing the NPD gap between the PS5 and the XSX, and ignoring that XSX is as sold out as the PS5, which means that Microsoft moved what they produced and are in the same restocking phase as Sony.
I think the question of why the XSX debuted in NPD below X1 is pretty well explained by just using common sense, they clearly couldn't ship enough consoles, and they shipped worldwide in more countries. X1 released in 13 countries with the bulk of units in the US.
I think the question of why the XSX debuted in NPD below X1 is pretty well explained by just using common sense, they clearly couldn't ship enough consoles, and they shipped worldwide in more countries. X1 released in 13 countries with the bulk of units in the US.
Vick
Member
They pressed Sony to deliver on Backwards Compatibility. And with an exclusives-heavy brand that's a pretty huge deal since there's no PC versions of 99% of these games.
It's thanks to Microsoft i'm enjoying InFamous: Second Son, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone, God of War or The Last Guardian at 4K 60fps.
The last two only thanks to physical support at the moment, but still.
Sure it's also thanks to Microsoft that i'm paying for multiplayer.. but that's another matter.
reinking
Gold Member
Sony had planned on BC going back to PS4 and it has nothing to do with MS. The PS5 has PS4 Legacy mode designed into the console.
v_iHuGi
Banned
Microsoft would lose npd, gfd ssd ppd phd gfd doesn't matter, Ps5 will always easily outsell Xbox 2 3 4 5 500:1 depending on the country.
No stock availability will change the facts, soon enough Xbox will be seating of shelves meanwhile Ps5 will be flying all gen long.
Afro Republican
Banned
360
and even with the One Xbox won NPD numerous times earlier. The fact is that XSX is sold out, so the only conclusion that actually makes sense is that MS couldn't produce enough stock for NPD specifically to do better than the Xbox One, which released only in 13 countries and most of the stock was in the US.
This isn't really debatable, sorry but the fanboy wars don't apply.
BlitzerRadic
Member
What difference does that make? All those PS5 will be sold to end users.
Captain Toad
Banned
You realize PlayStation has had 7 total consoles and two of them didn't support BC - one being the PS1, which didn't have a previous console.
PlayStation was doing BC before Xbox even existed.
Vick
Member
I said that "Microsoft pressed Sony to deliver on Backwards Compatibility" and it's true. On past consoles there were no enhancements outside of those for PS1 titles on PS3.
Plus PS3 dropped PS2 games support fast, and i was one of the few with an original PS3.
reinking
Gold Member
But they didn't. People forget that Sony pressed MS to BC on the original XB. Sony was always going to have BC on the PS5. It is incorporated in the design. What should be obvious by now is Sony does not react to MS. Sony even had game streaming before Game Pass came along.
Yeah done arguing with dumb fucks, potential sales means it could have sold ~130-130m with a better governance and decisions it wasn't far from, guess I won't be leaking numbers or anything on this forum anytime.
MasterCornholio
Member
So what's your prediction for Series consoles then?
Maybe around 30-40 million units?
Assuming that both companies do worse in the coming generation of course.
Arachnid
Member
??
PS3 stopped BC right after the original console launch. If you didn't get an OG fat console, you're SOL. The PS4 wasn't BC at all, and the PS5 is only BC to PS4 games. Meanwhile, the 360 was also BC. So far, every Xbox console has been BC (though the One added it a bit later to be fair) to all previous generations. You are way overselling PS's commitment to BC while underselling what Xbox has done with the One and Series X.
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Redlancet
Banned
Who is "we".? Are you a hive mind collective like the zerg? My fríendly anime avatar guy, switch users use other consoles because third party ports of games in switch are overpriced worst versións of superior and cheap games on vastly superior games, but dont worry enjoy your animal crossing, everybody wins
Redlancet
Banned
Thats a lot of false claims son
reinking
Gold Member
Sony stopped BC when they launched the slim for two reasons. It was later in the consoles lifecycle so less people were using BC and it was a cost savings. They did not include BC on the PS4 because the PS3 was too hard to emulate. I would be willing to bet that Sony has numbers that show how much the older BC titles get played. I am also willing to bet it was not enough to increase the costs of the consoles. Last gen BC probably gets played a lot during the first few years but I bet it drops off too. I will not argue that MS has done a better job with the older BC titles and their willingness to add upgrades to existing BC titles. It is fantastic and one of the reasons I bought a XBSX. However, Sony did not just become anti-BC just to be that way. They had reasons.
Lionel Richie
Member
Fine by me since I can always buy additional hardware to play the games I want to. Assuming the games are ever there, of course.
Eevee86
Member
I mean, my Switch collection of games is absolutely ridiculous, so I have plenty to play. Triple digits now.
DeadOblivion78
Member
How's that backlog? Sounds like years to me.
Eevee86
Member
I keep saying I'll get caught up, then my job laughs and makes me work an extra day. Its steadily growing.
ethomaz
Banned
I believe it will end reaching 130m with a new price cut.
You know they PS4 had more two or three years of sales yet.
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Evangelion Unit-01
Master Chief
The fact that anyone is treating this as a win or loss for their "team" is embarrassing.
First it is hard to compare revenue figures gen vs gen. PS5 is launching at $399/$499 vs PS4 at $399. Xbox Series S|X is launching at $299/$499 vs $499 for Xbox One. Both consoles did incredibly well and would have sold many more if they were available.
At $299 Switch ended generating less revenue but outsold both Xbox and PlaySTation simply as a result of supply. Xbox and PlayStation are going to see some from loaded sales with early adopters scrambling to get in first. Things will start to settle down in Q2 of 2020. I think both will post impressive numbers this generation and I expect the sales race to be tighter than last gen. Meanwhile Switch is continuing to post phenomenal numbers. I don't doubt that it will end up outselling both Xbox Series S|X and PS5; curious to see what Nintendo does next with a potential hardware refresh on the horizon.
All in all, Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo are doing incredibly well. It is a very healthy industry and all three companies are realizing opportunities to reach new markets. This isn't a zero sum game-in order for PS/Xbox to do well the other one doesn't have to fail.
Treating two enormous sell out launches during covid as a console warring moment is just pathetic...
First it is hard to compare revenue figures gen vs gen. PS5 is launching at $399/$499 vs PS4 at $399. Xbox Series S|X is launching at $299/$499 vs $499 for Xbox One. Both consoles did incredibly well and would have sold many more if they were available.
At $299 Switch ended generating less revenue but outsold both Xbox and PlaySTation simply as a result of supply. Xbox and PlayStation are going to see some from loaded sales with early adopters scrambling to get in first. Things will start to settle down in Q2 of 2020. I think both will post impressive numbers this generation and I expect the sales race to be tighter than last gen. Meanwhile Switch is continuing to post phenomenal numbers. I don't doubt that it will end up outselling both Xbox Series S|X and PS5; curious to see what Nintendo does next with a potential hardware refresh on the horizon.
All in all, Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo are doing incredibly well. It is a very healthy industry and all three companies are realizing opportunities to reach new markets. This isn't a zero sum game-in order for PS/Xbox to do well the other one doesn't have to fail.
Treating two enormous sell out launches during covid as a console warring moment is just pathetic...
John Wick
Member
Was it the Pandemic? Or was it the tools again? Or in fact they were waiting for AMD for full RDNA2?
John Wick
Member
But not in the USA which is it's largest market by far.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
PS1 titles were enhanced on PS2, texture filtering added and faster loading times, PS3 brought many thousand titles from PS1 and PS2, but sure let’s shift the goalpost there
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I think the fact that Microsoft allowed the delay of Halo by a year and Spencer has even said that you don't need to upgrade to an Xbox Series X right away demonstrates that they are focusing on a longer game. Once Bethesda games and their other studios start pushing content out, that's when you're going to see a bigger push for Xbox Series hardware.
They're mainly trying to push the ecosystem, which incorporates Xbox Series hardware, PC, phones, and soon things like TVs. The game plan is Game Pass. Once you see Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI releasing on that service for no additional cost... it's going to make waves.
It's just a different strategy than Sony who is going to rely more solely on Playstation hardware.
Well, that's not true. Both Sony and Microsoft react to each other. Or, I guess you're going to try to argue that Sony didn't create trophies as a response to achievements (just as one example)? Also, see below where I'll refer to Sony's stance on backwards compatibility in 2017 (with current leadership).
Also, Game Pass isn't game streaming. There is no streaming involved with Game Pass.
Microsoft's game streaming is xCloud/Xbox Cloud Gaming, but that tech has been in the works for years and years and is a core part of Microsoft's business strategy as a whole using Azure. I believe the video that I saw where its tech was first being demonstrated was in 2014, but at the time Microsoft said that streaming wasn't viable for gaming yet and was focused on continuing to develop it until the time came to where they thought it could be viable.
I don't think that's shifting goalposts when the current leadership downplayed backwards compatibility - basically at the time deemed it unimportant and not worth it.
They're mainly trying to push the ecosystem, which incorporates Xbox Series hardware, PC, phones, and soon things like TVs. The game plan is Game Pass. Once you see Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI releasing on that service for no additional cost... it's going to make waves.
It's just a different strategy than Sony who is going to rely more solely on Playstation hardware.
Well, that's not true. Both Sony and Microsoft react to each other. Or, I guess you're going to try to argue that Sony didn't create trophies as a response to achievements (just as one example)? Also, see below where I'll refer to Sony's stance on backwards compatibility in 2017 (with current leadership).
Also, Game Pass isn't game streaming. There is no streaming involved with Game Pass.
Microsoft's game streaming is xCloud/Xbox Cloud Gaming, but that tech has been in the works for years and years and is a core part of Microsoft's business strategy as a whole using Azure. I believe the video that I saw where its tech was first being demonstrated was in 2014, but at the time Microsoft said that streaming wasn't viable for gaming yet and was focused on continuing to develop it until the time came to where they thought it could be viable.
PS1 titles were enhanced on PS2, texture filtering added and faster loading times, PS3 brought many thousand titles from PS1 and PS2, but sure let’s shift the goalpost there
I don't think that's shifting goalposts when the current leadership downplayed backwards compatibility - basically at the time deemed it unimportant and not worth it.
Jim Ryan said:
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Unknown?
Member
As far as Ryan's quote goes, I'm sure it's true that it's not widely used and they probably have lots of data to back it up. Once Xbox starts actually getting games I doubt 98% of people will go back to old X1 games.I think the fact that Microsoft allowed the delay of Halo by a year and Spencer has even said that you don't need to upgrade to an Xbox Series X right away demonstrates that they are focusing on a longer game. Once Bethesda games and their other studios start pushing content out, that's when you're going to see a bigger push for Xbox Series hardware.
They're mainly trying to push the ecosystem, which incorporates Xbox Series hardware, PC, phones, and soon things like TVs. The game plan is Game Pass. Once you see Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI releasing on that service for no additional cost... it's going to make waves.
It's just a different strategy than Sony who is going to rely more solely on Playstation hardware.
Well, that's not true. Both Sony and Microsoft react to each other. Or, I guess you're going to try to argue that Sony didn't create trophies as a response to achievements (just as one example)? Also, see below where I'll refer to Sony's stance on backwards compatibility in 2017 (with current leadership).
Also, Game Pass isn't game streaming. There is no streaming involved with Game Pass.
Microsoft's game streaming is xCloud/Xbox Cloud Gaming, but that tech has been in the works for years and years and is a core part of Microsoft's business strategy as a whole using Azure. I believe the video that I saw where its tech was first being demonstrated was in 2014, but at the time Microsoft said that streaming wasn't viable for gaming yet and was focused on continuing to develop it until the time came to where they thought it could be viable.
I don't think that's shifting goalposts when the current leadership downplayed backwards compatibility - basically at the time deemed it unimportant and not worth it.
That quote about GT isn't the same as saying who would play an old Final Fantasy or anything. It's more akin to if FF7 got remade on PS2, PS3, and PS4 and people were playing the same game but the old version with bad graphics and lack of polish.
FranXico
Member
Wow. This post certainly made an impression. But not the kind of impression the poster thought he was doing.It's the slice of GAF known as SonyGAF for a reason, what do you expect? They give the impression of either being employed as Sony surrogates or, more pathetically, sitting around circle jerking to a candle-lit Playstation shrine just for the hell of it without getting paid.
Reality doesn't factor in for the warriorz. You just have to interact with these people like you would your retarded little cousin. Pat them on the head and smile.
I'm excited to see PS5 and Switch doing this well, both largely as a function of supply meeting demand (demand that has been curated by strong brands with exclusive titles over a number of preceding years).
There are multiple factors at play here for Xbox, some of which are perhaps the weaker launch lineup but mostly a (perhaps overly) cautious calculation on the part of MS to not over produce combined with launching in 3 times the countries that they launched XB1...combined with a change in philosophy to push GamePass perhaps more than they push break-even hardware.
The Xbox group knows they have a winner in GamePass and it makes sense to push that as pure profit on multiple platforms rather than flood the market with hardware which doesn't make them any money. This may have been some of the calculation of not producing more units as well.
Or...it could simply be that MS leadership was overly cautious about production numbers and/or the fact that MS paid more heed to the changed reality of Coronavirus whereas Sony and Nintendo decided to balls to the wall regardless of the pandemic and its inherent risks.
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Backwards compatibility is already widely used on Xbox since it was incorporated for Xbox One in 2015. It’s a core tenant of Game Pass. It spans across the generations.
That quote was just to show that in 2017, Ryan did indeed have the opinion that backwards compatibility wasn’t something that Sony was interested in then but in 2020 that clearly changed (for one, Xbox showed it was a popular feature).
Ryan used GT as an example, but he was referring to backwards compatibility as a whole. He doesn’t say it’s only restrictive to GT. He’s using it to make a broader point about backwards compatibility, whether it was GT or Final Fantasy.
He was wrong.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think the fact that Microsoft allowed the delay of Halo by a year and Spencer has even said that you don't need to upgrade to an Xbox Series X right away demonstrates that they are focusing on a longer game. Once Bethesda games and their other studios start pushing content out, that's when you're going to see a bigger push for Xbox Series hardware.
They're mainly trying to push the ecosystem, which incorporates Xbox Series hardware, PC, phones, and soon things like TVs. The game plan is Game Pass. Once you see Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI releasing on that service for no additional cost... it's going to make waves.
It's just a different strategy than Sony who is going to rely more solely on Playstation hardware.
Well, that's not true. Both Sony and Microsoft react to each other. Or, I guess you're going to try to argue that Sony didn't create trophies as a response to achievements (just as one example)? Also, see below where I'll refer to Sony's stance on backwards compatibility in 2017 (with current leadership).
Also, Game Pass isn't game streaming. There is no streaming involved with Game Pass.
Microsoft's game streaming is xCloud/Xbox Cloud Gaming, but that tech has been in the works for years and years and is a core part of Microsoft's business strategy as a whole using Azure. I believe the video that I saw where its tech was first being demonstrated was in 2014, but at the time Microsoft said that streaming wasn't viable for gaming yet and was focused on continuing to develop it until the time came to where they thought it could be viable.
I don't think that's shifting goalposts when the current leadership downplayed backwards compatibility - basically at the time deemed it unimportant and not worth it.
... and yet despite his views and how many times he can put his foot in his mouth PS5 has great BC of PS4, PS4 Pro, and PSVR titles but sure the selection of PS2 titles is rather small (albeit still saved some great gems like Primal). Shifting from PS3 to PS4 to talk about BC is moving the goalposts as well as your earlier comment about PS3 deemed BC unimportant ignores the massive problems and what was needed to save the platform (and users rewarded them greatly for their cost reduction strategy and their focus on new titles, studio, and libraries and tools development... PS3 to PS4 was also a massive technology shift which is not easy to cover: see XSX still having a quite small list of OG Xbox and Xbox 360 titles they support and even more limited selection of titles that are properly enhanced, but then again nobody is saying that MS is not doing a good job on BC).
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Um, what? XSX has the same BC support that Xbox One has. It has a massive library of supported titles across OG Xbox and Xbox 360. Microsoft's solution for 360 BC was also to address the technical hurdle as it was previously thought that 360 BC was impossible for Xbox One.
I'm arguing that PS5 has great BC support for PS4 though because Xbox did show that BC was an important feature. It's already clear that 2017 Sony didn't view BC as important. And Sony's BC support still isn't as good as Microsoft's even for past generational titles because Microsoft started the BC initiative way before Sony did.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is a good library, but it does not even scratch what PS3 supported in terms of PS1 and PS2 titles... especially on OG Xbox and the ones that get the full enhanced treatment are even less (albeit they ALL get a benefit from the faster CPU and SSD of the XSX).
Again, you seem under the impression of arguing with someone that does not give credit for their BC efforts (especially on XSX) and mistakenly under the impression that either something sucks or something is the bestest ever world destroyer, but it is not that binary mate
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
It is a good library, but it does not even scratch what PS3 supported in terms of PS1 and PS2 titles... especially on OG Xbox and the ones that get the full enhanced treatment are even less (albeit they ALL get a benefit from the faster CPU and SSD of the XSX).
Again, you seem mistakenly under the impression that either something sucks or something is the bestest ever world destroyer, but it is not that binary mate
That's because PS3 had a literal PS2 inside of it in the beginning. It was a hardware solution. Microsoft's BC is software based.
It's certainly better than PS5's BC now though
By the way, trying to go back to PS3 is shifting the goal posts of... now. Which is all that matters.
PS3's leadership was not PS4's leadership (which is the same leadership as PS5). That's why it's clear their stance changed from 2017 to today.
You might be under the impression that I'm diminishing PS5's BC efforts. I'm not. I'm saying that the BC efforts of Xbox pushed Sony to take a second look at BC for PS5.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That's because PS3 had a literal PS2 inside of it in the beginning. It was a hardware solution. Microsoft's BC is software based.
It's certainly better than PS5's BC now though
We can say that it is a new binary and not emulating the actual code running on discs but sure, what they achieved is impressive.
You also are quite dismissive of what it means to integrate and reuse previous HW to ease BC and the cost/complexity of it, let alone that EU consoles have a huge list of compatible titles and lacked the complete SoC including the GS only and emulating the EE.
I am not aware they integrated the PS1 chipset in PS3 so that was emulated (not that they did. It already have a PowerPC processor acting as the PS1 brains before... see later revisions of PSTwo).
PS5 BC is excellent albeit more limited as it does not emulate PS1, PS2, or PS3 aside the small selection of PS2 classics.