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Digital Foundry: PS5 vs PC in Assassin's Creed Valhalla

I’m super happy with the PS5. All of the GitHub debauchery that ensued only strengthened my belief that Sony would deliver. I love all of the big 3, as they’ve carved a huge path in my childhood, adolescent, and adult years. You’ve got to give Sony props for everything they’ve accomplished since the PS1. The PS5 is delivering like a fucking pizza delivery service lol and the best is yet to come. Meanwhile COD is starting to crash back to the dashboard on my Series X and I’m 3 minutes away from chucking this bitch out the window. It was fine at first and now this shit....wtf?!!
 

noise36

Member
This is why this comparison is flattering to the PC, as well as they are choosing to bench the PC version at 1440p, which is PS5's minimum dynamic res.

AC:V runs poorly on nvidia hardware where as most other games run poorly on AMD hardware , so its actually the other way around and has the console looking better vs PC than it actually is.

All said and done I think the next gen consoles are great value for money really, lot of bang for buck.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Yeah, it's so funny seeing all the..."The MS guys have had enough, let's be mature about it", Where was that maturity in the Next Gen thread or in any thread where were trying to discuss the SSD, the console spec, the controller, the tempest Engine......It was all bombarded with suicide bombers and Discord lemmings.

The worse thing is when, people come in hard and are relentless and unwavering in their FUD ands evil, reminds me of game of thrones, but when judgment times comes to them, they are so quick to ask mercy......It is only then they want to turn a new leaf or see the need for peace and civil exchanges......PS guys are not even bothering XBOX guys as they have done us. Trying to get us mass banned, using likes, laughs and triggered as a war tool, using Discords to plan how they would attack forums in droves....Even now, no PS guy, even cares, we are just happy that we have the best console as we always anticipated and are discussing the findings in these tech threads.....You think if XBOX was winning these faceoffs, even if it was not the 20-60% uptick they anticipated, they would be calm and Kumbaya about it.....They would be defacing Cerny's name right now, boosting their meme power threads and calling Jim Ryan a hack, so this fake "let's discuss this civilly" is unwarranted, because no PS fan is harassing any XBOX fan, we are just discussing and highlighting the superiority of PS5 in these multiplat games.....better foliage, better effects, better resolution, better framerates....This is no coincidence to those who paid attention to reason and logic.....


Oh and, one thing I have seen and maybe commented on before.....In as much as they say the next gen thread was a Sony safe space, we all discussed and learnt much there, many receipts were presented and good discussions ensued.....I remember going to the ban thread off and on and the hate and vitriol by mostly XBOX fans there was unsettling, it was their safe space, it was where many of them came to congregate to pent out their anger towards Sony fans, that and the Meta thread, and it's also where they went to ask for the closure of the next gen thread, suck up to mods and constantly ask for the bans of many Sony fans.....In essence, it was their safe space, Sony fans could not even go and ask for a pardon for a member without being harrassed and overtaken in responses and emoji responses by the same set of ban thread dwellers, instead of allowing us dialog with the mods on the issue, members who act like they are mods, would rush in and always write up a nothing piece as if they are so elevated.....It's a ban thread, allow members to have dialogue with the mods on pardons for members without all the bombardment and clutter........What's funny, it's the same guys who asked clemency for permed members who constantly insulted and harrassed other members on this forum.....So the hypocrisy is real here......These same members never spoke out against all the FUD that the Discord and MS group were pushing, but people are just discussing the tech, which shows all PS wins and now, they want us all to say "it's negligible", "they are like for like".....No they are not....No one is harassing anyone in these threads, we are just discussing the tech, where in the PS3 days a 40P difference was a world away better on the 360.....

Now that's a text diarrhea :lollipop_tears_of_joy: But let's add their tears to ice cream, it tastes so good. Have you tried it?

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VFXVeteran

Banned
then why don’t we see any games that look as good at launch?

I seriously don't know what your point is. What games don't look as good? The later ones? Those games DO look as good. It's just you guys thinking they don't. A shader in The Order 1866 holds up even to today's shaders. They aren't going to change.

no shit new rendering tech takes a while to develop...

so you agree with me that we will see dramatically better looking games in the years to come they take much more advantage of the hardware than the launch games..

How did you derive that? I'm telling you that devs don't need time to take advantage of hardware ESPECIALLY when the hardware is SIMILAR to the PREVIOUS generation. How many times do I have to say this?
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
Well, people that do not have anything of a pc have to build from nothing. My next upgrade will be case (mine is still from 2004 LOL), cpu, MOBO, VGA, RAM an maybe SSD. This will cost me more than 1000$

Are you using your new PC just for videogames or do you do other things besides that?
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
That's silly. Does the release of the 3060ti suddenly mean that the Last of Us 2 or Ghosts of Tsushima look like dog shit? 30fps games sure, but running on consoles with seriously underpowered CPUs unlike the PS5.

As a Playstation and a PC owner, I'm not sure why PC owners need to hold this veneer of disdain any time people talk up console performance.

Because they come up with false claims like: the PS5 will get more powerful as devs master the hardware. Or pretending that games have much better tech due to optimizations when they always have less features. Or that the PC is a weaker platform because it's unoptimized (when the PC doesn't need to be optimized like a console to outperform it). You hear the same song and dance every day.
 
There is same difference between ps5 /2080ti and 5700 / ps5 . If ps5 is essentially same as 5700 then it is also same as 2080ti

Worth mentioning that even taking PC out of the equation and only discussing consoles, PS5 is still performing better than XSX. So by dragging PS5 down he is also dragging down XSX. So if PS5 is essentially same as 5700 then XSX is essentially the same as 5600XT
 

Lethal01

Member
Believe that every developer is a dummy and needs to "master" the same API they used in a previous generation all you want to make you feel like the PS5 has more "power" to be had above what is already being done. I look forward to the native 4k/60FPS games with RT enabled.

How did you derive that? I'm telling you that devs don't need time to take advantage of hardware

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I just don't know who to trust, literally nobody or the actual developers that keep saying the exact opposite of your claims are true.
What a Dilemma.

You just said it yourself. The hardware doesn't change. The engines do. In 5 years games will look better because more efficient engines and techniques. But in 5 years I can buy a new 5060ti for 400 that will make the same ps5 games look like dog shit. That hardware is fixed and maxed right now. Engines are what changes.

Sure, devs are just saying that the consoles will improve more over time than the current Graphics cards, since the engines can will be optimized more more on consoles and that their are features of the hardware they have not had time to utilize at all..

Nobody is saying you won't be able to buy a 1000$ card that looks way better.
 
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CrustyBritches

Gold Member
Someone explain why everyone is creaming their pants. The PS5 performs like a 5700 (non XT, mind you), essentially as expected. What am I missing here?
DF mentioned twice in the article that a 5700XT should offer performance similar to the PS5. However, a bios-flashed 5700 to XT with OC does nip at the heels of a 5700XT stock.

Either way, I'm impressed with next-gen hardware. It's nice they have great CPUs compared to last gen, so we're seeing a lot high frame rate action early on. Win-win.
 

Loxus

Member
In all my wildest dreams, I never thought the PS5 would be used as a benchmark for the most powerful console.
Ever since the spec reveal, I was expecting lower res and frame rate.
But Cerny proved us all wrong and TF isn't an absolute indicator of performance.
"This continuous improvement in AMD technology means it's dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance."
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
No. That`s what happens when Ubisoft optimizes like poop for CPU usage and NVidia cards. Happened with almost all AC games.

Just gaming.


Ubisoft knows how to program buddy. Trust me. They have a lovely engine. Their past games may have gone through some iterations based on their previous graphics engines, but don't stick them with that sour reputation just because of past mistakes. This graphics engine is impressive for sure and is very optimized.

If you are buying a new PC just for gaming then don't waste your money. Get a console.
 

Mister Wolf

Member
IF ghost of tsushima ran on ps2 at 30fps it would be the most impressive thing ever. there is more to graphics than framerate. plz use brain.

For you. It could also run in black and white and be impressive to some. A game needs to run at 1440p minimum 60fps minimum for ME to consider it impressive.
 
DF mentioned twice in the article that a 5700XT should offer performance similar to the PS5. However, a bios-flashed 5700 to XT with OC does nip at the heels of a 5700XT stock.

Either way, I'm impressed with next-gen hardware. It's nice they have great CPUs compared to last gen, so we're seeing a lot high frame rate action early on. Win-win.

I'm impressed too, but I've been impressed before this video and the video doesn't change my perception. The PS5 peforms pretty much exactly as expected. That's why I'm wondering why people are so enthusiastic.
 

Armorian

Banned
I don't know how that looks on AMD but this game uses less GPU power of Ampere compared to most other games:

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GPU utilization: ~95% is the limit compared to ~99% in other games
 

Vae_Victis

Banned
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Roughly 5700 level, maybe slightly faster. So pretty much exactly as expected. Again, why are the usual suspects creaming their pants?
It's not "as expected", not universally at least. Digital Foundry themselves were saying up until a couple of months ago that PS5's GPU would be equivalent to a 2060 S.
 

RedVIper

Banned
The reason for such arguments is we are talking to people who currently have 2080 and 2080S as their PC GPU that they paid $800+ for. So they cannot allow PS5 to be equal to their GPU

Which is 2 years old. Why people are comparing the ps5 against old hardware is the question in the first place.
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
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I just don't know who to trust, literally nobody or the actual developers that keep saying the exact opposite of your claims are true.
What a Dilemma.

Well, since it's Insomniac, you got one more game they can produce before the generation is over. Remember, most of these companies put out ONE game per 7yrs. Maybe 2 at the most.

Believe them if you must. Those words are hyperbole if you ask me. I don't see the giant leaps happening and I certainly don't believe that every single generation warrants a complete linear expectation of developers having to relearn every single thing all over again for new hardware.
 

Schnozberry

Member
The reason for such arguments is we are talking to people who currently have 2080 and 2080S as their PC GPU that they paid $800+ for. So they cannot allow PS5 to be equal to their GPU

The game seems to favor AMD quite heavily, so expecting this level of competitiveness with 2080 Super in every engine and game is probably wishful thinking. Though, it does call into question the economics of PC graphics cards in general, which seems like a really poor value at this point for most people.
 
It's not "as expected", not universally at least. Digital Foundry themselves were saying up until a couple of months ago that PS5's GPU would be equivalent to a 2060 S.

It obviously depends on the game. In something NVIDIA optimized like Tomb Raider or RE3 it certainly is closer to a 2060S. In AMD optimized game it's closer to a 2080 or so. That's why it makes more sense to compare it to AMD cards.
 

blastprocessor

The Amiga Brotherhood
The 3060Ti is a $399 card.

It’s an impressive card for the price.

In the UK you’re still talking over £1000 for a PC that will match PS5/SeriesX.

I’m impressed with the performance and value of next gen.

This is especially good for PC gamers since they are going to get some stunning looking next gen games in the coming years.
 
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RedVIper

Banned
Probably because that old hardware is still not the norm in the PC space where nearly everybody has a 1060

So what, most people don't have ps5 either. The comparison is between current consoles against current hardware, because that's what people who buy a new graphics card are gonna buy.

Comparing it against old hardware is disingenuous at best.
 
Lol u pc elitist are laughable . Sure 3060ti as well as 2080s
Point is, it's still the lowest end card of 30xx. You guys are stuck holding on to coming closer to the 2 plus old gpu in a single game, but weren't doing the same when it was compared to a 2060. Irony? Yeah, no?
 
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thelastword

Banned
PS5 is performing better than a 2060S by at least 20% in this title, that was Alex's ballpark before release......He is guessing on clouds, when it's quite clear PS5 has the best settings there....He is benchmarking at 1440p straight on PC, when PS5 fluctuates from 1440p minimum to 2160P as per GPU load, so in as much as I like the video for what it shows, and he did good work there, PS5 is still not accurately represented here....It's even more performant than what we see in this video based on the DR, one higher setting than PC and mostly PC's top settings otherwise....>Curiously enough, PS5 was even more performant in that scene where it fell to 51fps prior to the patch....

So overall PS5's performance is maybe at least on par with 2080ti on rasterization, but this is only a crossgen game which is not even using the advantages/strengths of PS5 per se.....So as this gen progresses, more videos like this would be interesting...
 
So what, most people don't have ps5 either. The comparison is between current consoles against current hardware, because that's what people who buy a new graphics card are gonna buy.

Comparing it against old hardware is disingenuous at best.

There is nothing disingenuous about it at all. Besides he compared it to an Ampere card too.
 
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