kyliethicc
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From Sony - sounds like full boost all the time. But they are vague. Could downclock, idk.
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From Sony - sounds like full boost all the time. But they are vague. Could downclock, idk.
FranXico
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All it took was getting bought. And there it is, with a game MS had nothing to do with.
devilNprada
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Did not work even that was froze..
I will try the bios thing when i get home tonight...
FranXico
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X-Fighter was happy enough with that sweet premium packaging. I don't think he cares about this.
FranXico
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That's right. I'm just guessing. I think that notion of clocks spoofing really stuck in my head.
Handy Fake
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Could that be the PS4 Boost profile?From Sony - sounds like full boost all the time. But they are vague. Could downclock, idk.
IntentionalPun
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Right; that is pretty close to the words Cerny used to.. that I've been arguing since February seem to indicate code is always running at "boosted performance."From Sony - sounds like full boost all the time. But they are vague. Could downclock, idk.
Anyways.. maybe not, but it's just crazy how much of this is people assuming things and not stuff from devs or sony lol
I know WHY the assumptions are happening (GitHub leak, how PS4 Pro works, etc.) but they are still assumptions.. and the wording Sony uses seems to heavily suggest it's not really a "mode." The only mention of modes is when Cerny was discussing instruction sets of the PS4/PS4 pro.
ethomaz
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This is the PS5 BC mode (Gen2).From Sony - sounds like full boost all the time. But they are vague. Could downclock, idk.
kyliethicc
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It actually was last year with outer worlds but microsoft had nothing to do with that game, or doom lol.
This entire generation of GOTY, all 7 years, 38 nominees - fucking ZERO, none, nothing, not even one game published by Xbox.
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kyliethicc
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prove it man cmon thats the whole question here.. is all the evidence we have of lower clock modes just the github leak?
LucidFlux
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Not defending IGN's scores but they simply don't do deep dive performance comparisons like that, they're not a technical channel. So to the general population the games are the same on both consoles. They're not wrong in saying that.
This isn't a case of one console getting the "wii" version of a game with hugely downgraded graphics, half resolution, frame rates or features and claiming it's the same game. So far they're literally the exact same games, settings, features etc with minor performance differences that most people who aren't counting frames won't notice.
kyliethicc
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I have no idea. I'm not saying I know how it works lol, but that sounds like the plan is to use full clocks as much possible.
Maybe the system just uses variable clocks for BC, letting it raise or lower frame by frame based on power... idk?
DF said it uses full clocks for BC. They did not list a source, could be wrong.
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IntentionalPun
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lol.. welcome to my world. I got warned in this same back and forth like 6 months ago
Them: "But the Road to PS5 Slides"..
Me: "But that slide is about instruction sets, not clock speeds"
Them: "..."
Them: "But read this sentence about boosted performance"
Me: "Yeah, that sentence isn't saying it's for a mode.. it literally seems to be suggesting all games run at boosted performance"
Them: "..."
Rinse, repeat. Now we have ethomaz inventing code names for BC modes lol
edit: And to be clear.. they might be downclocking.. but they absolutely haven't said that.. and I'm really not seeing evidence of it.
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kyliethicc
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But it does seem like every PS4 game tested that could benefit from boost (higher clocks) is infact being boosted.
And the PS5 boost is automatic right? Like it cannot be toggled in system settings like PS4 Pro boost right?
Isn't it more like that for BC games the PS5 just disabled CUs for old PS4 games built on 18 CUs, but would still use max clocks for boost?
yewles1
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Didn't you say that you were unbiased before? And why DID you delete that tweet if you were so confident in improvements coming, as if Sony wouldn't have any of their own? Have you NOT learned from history by now?
IntentionalPun
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There is no setting at all for it in the PS5.
I honestly don't even know why they'd disable CUs either.. were games really coded to expect a specific amount of CUs?
Rudius
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I talked to them 2 times, in 2 different weeks. They said I would get an email to order the adapter, but I got shit.Meanwhile, no way to order the adapter from Sony Brazil. Way to go...
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kyliethicc
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I think he got that idea from Github leak or NX Gamer, but NX Gamer did not have a source for his claims of how PS5 bc works either. and was contrary to what DF said about PS5 BC.
Its very confusing.
I have only made 1 thread ever on here and it was about this very topic. Ethomaz did a similar thing to me.
He came into my thread (of which I had lots of sources and wrote a lot) and just said "no wrong" with zero evidence and then said he reported me to mods for spreading fud. Guy's a prick.
FALCON_KICK
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PS5 does hardware emulation, right?
I assume every game that have received a patch recently use the PS5 boost clocks. So at what mode is the Last Guardian ver. 1.0 running at 60ps on PS5?
kyliethicc
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Not a Microsoft game. Xbox had nothing to do with it. Same with Doom 2
Mr Moose
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So what you are saying is this thread needs to be kept open after the 19th so we can continue to speculate?
There's this from the Sony website but yeah it doesn't really tell us much:
kyliethicc
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SSfox
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Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2020]
lol damn. Arriving tomorrow. Haha.. I woke up at 1am and ordered it on disc. Hopefully arriving Monday. edit: I didn't order it because of John's tweet, I was just awake and decide to take the plunge because I've not played a good racing game in a while and on reflection, I think Dirt 5 may be it.
forum.beyond3d.com
Edit: Oh just see it's been posted by Bo_hazem
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BoxFresh123
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What happened to Valhalla in native 4K for XSX?
sircaw
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They'r all just busing playing the Falconeer. Xbox Exclusive.
Hey, i liked the look of that, it took me back to my dragon flying days.
IntentionalPun
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That's essentially what Cerny said; that the PS5 chip supports the PS4 and PS4 pro instruction sets. The PS5 can directly execute code compiled to be run on PS4 without any sort of software emulation.
kyliethicc
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"DF do good work." - Phil "DF Daddy" Soft.
Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2020]
lol damn. Arriving tomorrow. Haha.. I woke up at 1am and ordered it on disc. Hopefully arriving Monday. edit: I didn't order it because of John's tweet, I was just awake and decide to take the plunge because I've not played a good racing game in a while and on reflection, I think Dirt 5 may be it.
You gotta love silly Alex, PS5 is 30% better, so he says 15%. Oopsie.
But he won't ever change that or edit the video - too much work, too tired.
Zheph
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Tools or lying PR, not sure
IntentionalPun
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So what you are saying is this thread needs to be kept open after the 19th so we can continue to speculate?
There's this from the Sony website but yeah it doesn't really tell us much:
Yeah that could mean "Game Boost" is a thing only turned on for certain games; or that's Sony saying that unless a game is patched, had unlocked framerates, or just otherwise would naturally do anything with the extra power, that the games aren't really "Taking advantage" of it.
Whether Game Boost is something that can be turned on or off is the question.. users certainly can't turn it off.. which to me is what is telling.. Sony isn't calling this a "mode." So it's either not a thing.. or a thing that the PS5 OS turns on/off based on a database of info.
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SSfox
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It got Craiged
mckmas8808
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But that's not true. They aren't the same games. Sony has a handful of exclusives that are scoring well. Whereas MS doesn't really have that right now.
SSfox
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Just guessing... But i think he was so sure the game will be better on XSX
So when he found out it's actually better on PS5 the shook made him forget how to count
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kyliethicc
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"Its the toooooolls"
"its early"
"the xbox will improve surely it haaaaas to"
So PS5 is same or better in every comparison so far...
"its early"
"the xbox will improve surely it haaaaas to"
So PS5 is same or better in every comparison so far...
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sircaw
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"Its the toooooolls"
"its early"
"the xbox improve surely it haaaaas to"
So PS5 is same or better in every comparison so far...
Not bad at all for a console that has a gimmick as a controller.
FranXico
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They'll correct the article, it's an easy thing to do.
thebigmanjosh
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I mean, there’s also this patent: https://patents.justia.com/patent/10534395
For PS4 games that experience issues when running at higher frequencies, they lock to 800 or 911 GHz for compatibility. I don’t see this as a negative and there’s enough evidence to suggest this is whats happening.
And sorry if I’m misunderstanding the context of this conversation. I really don’t know why this is even important after seeing how well most games run on PS5 BC.
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Donarudo
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Regarding all the talk about Xbox dev tools maturity, Fafalada (game dev and long-time member here and other boards) said on Ree that GDK/gamecore is more mature than all previous Xbox generations SDKs at launch. And also better than what other consoles had at launch in the past. Basically another source corroborating what the Dirt 5 developer has said about Xbox dev tools.
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Exactly.
RaZoR No1
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Duh..
In the night you don't have to render the sun, which saves some cycles, so the PS5 had it much easier and therefore the better performance.
I think the games like the higher clocked GPU more than the lower clocked one. Easier to scale probably.
Isn't this one of the points Cerny mentioned? The wider you go, the harder it will be to fill all CUs?
Really interested to see, if that performance between both of them will stay the same in one or two years later.
IntentionalPun
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Yeah I'm aware of the patent (but forgot to mention it, so thanks for pointing it out.)
And yes this is largely academic.. the PS5 is running last gen games great.. most importantly, the ones I want to play
I'm just super curious from a technical perspective.. and because I've been arguing this for a year lol
Raoul_Duke
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Matt on Twitter laughing his ass off the API BS
MistBreeze
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maybe Cerny was right after all " narrower and faster gpu better than slower and wider"??
Metroiddarks
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Man don't be rude with indies specially when they don't use a console war as marketing for their game like some dolphin game out there.They're all just busing playing the Falconeer. Xbox Exclusive.
Remember not all the games can be a GotY like Bugsnax
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kyliethicc
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yup, the part most don't read. The video everyone watches tho..
jose4gg
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sircaw
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EviLore
if you guys are thinking about picking up a next-gen console, can i suggest a Ps5
Bill O'Rights
you can still return the xbox if you kept the recipt Don't press fucking enter fish, DONT FUCKING DO IT.
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