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[PaintTinJr]

You simply cannot "rework" a CU on the fly. They have to be DESIGNED that way. The Tempest has been shown as a separate and different entity from the GPU. In fact, it's been stated that the Tempest engine is more related to the Cell processor and SPU's than it is a simple CU.

This is basically just another attempt to try and claim the PS5 has less power than stated and that it's "really" closer to that 9TF mark that so many loved to talk about early on.

So bottom line, GPU has 40 CU's with 4 disabled. Tempest engine is a separate part of the system. So is the SSD controller for Pete's sake before someone tries to claim that "really 4 of the 36 CU's are completely taken up controlling the SSD so the PS5 REALLY only has 32 CU's available for games!" or some crap like that.

No, I think you misread the comment - which actually implies either amazing yields or cutting edge stacking of L2 cache and logic (temptest engine/cache scrubbers).

The 36CUs for the GPU is a matter of fact, and is merely one constraint along with the other info like the base CU count - expected to be 40CUs. I was highlighting that they either designed the APU to have 19 identical CU pairs (38 identical CUs) and 1 pair (2 identical reworked CUs) as the Tempest engine - so that the chip would produce a good chip so long as only 1 pair of the 19 was defective and/or so long as only 1 half of the of the Tempest engine pair was defective - thereby giving the 36 working CU count + the tempest engine, while adhering to the constraint of 40 - 2 pairs of 2.

The alternative IMHO is that the chip is either stacked - with the Tempest engine CU in a different layer, possibly with cache scrubber logic, probably between the CUs and the L2 cache if it is a 3 layer stack - or that Tempest engine CU is in addition to the 40CUs inside the GPU - which I believe is less logical.

I think the Tempest engine being inside the GPU is inferred by this Cerny Quote:

"One wavefront is for the 3D audio and other system functionality, and one is for the game. Bandwidth-wise, the Tempest engine can use over 20GB/s, but we have to be a little careful because we don't want the audio to take a notch out of the graphics processing"

My view is that if the Tempest engine was separate/external to the GPU, then he would have said it could take a notch out of the system bandwidth - cpu or GPU - not the graphics processing, as he said, but it was just some positive speculation.

 

[mansoor1980]

Lewandowski must be part of sony europe marketing...........if he is a celeb like figure

 

[EliteClarity]

Lewandowski must be part of sony europe marketing...........if he is a celeb like figure

I Dunno, Has he ever scored a 22 Minute hat-Trick against Fingringhoe under 14's?

Didn't think so

 

[mansoor1980]

I Dunno, Has he ever scored a 22 Minute hat-Trick against Fingringhoe under 14's?

Didn't think so

well hes an instagram dude............and he has a large following........so he must be a celeb............mid range celeb maybe

 

[sircaw]

1:18-1:20 .. the gun goes through the side wall.

Was your mum an eagle, your dad a Falcon or something?

Well spotted, i missed that.

 

[ethomaz]

Sorry, I don't live in Europe, and I'm from America. So I really don't understand sports fame in the region. I can only talk about Thailand and the US. Lewy isn't as big a name in those 2 countries like Neymar, Mbappe, Ronaldo, and Messi.

I'm not European too... but in Brasil everybody knows him.

He is the guy that keep beating Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar, etc in the Champions League these last years

 

[iamvin22]

The more the days tick by, the more I believe that Boost Mode is a very basic package and not worth talking about very much.

I think Microsoft has the advantage here with BC(even though it shouldn't be your primary selling point). They have robust options, upgrades and features many without patches(I think?)

It feels like the PS5 Boost Mode will be akin to the PS2 where you could adjust like..2 things for PS1 games. Subtle boosts, nothing to write home about.

You get 99.9% compatibility, but the trade is you're not going to get very much in enhancements for those PS4 titles without true patches.

That's because they knew they had nothing to offer "new" wise at launch. Also who told you that you won't get "true" enhancements?!?

 

[Flippo]

Lewandowski must be part of sony europe marketing...........if he is a celeb like figure

I think he just bought or got a controller delivered before the actual release. So having a controller without a console you can only wait... greatness awaits!

 

[sircaw]

Sorry, I don't live in Europe, and I'm from America. So I really don't understand sports fame in the region. I can only talk about Thailand and the US. Lewy isn't as big a name in those 2 countries like Neymar, Mbappe, Ronaldo, and Messi.

for some reason, he does not get all the headlines like those others, but he is top-notch in terms of scoring pedigree.

 

[gmoran]

I'd say we better wait for Sega to confirm this, it just doesn't make sense to have double the freaking framerate.
If it turns out to be true... hell's gonna break loose.

Even if it does turn out to be true, its far more likely to be due to game engine / dev tools / api than some hardware benefit the PS5 might have over XSX.

 

[ethomaz]

I Dunno, Has he ever scored a 22 Minute hat-Trick against Fingringhoe under 14's?

Didn't think so

Well he scored 5 goals in 9 minutes in Bundesliga (it is a historical record).
He do hat-tricks very very frequently even in Champions League.

 

[saintjules]

Robert Lewandowski

It's an 'interesting' approach with how Sony is doing their push on the PS5. Only giving Controllers to Celebs and Xbox doing the usual with sending their box to the media outlets for preview/review.

 

[SlimySnake]

The more the days tick by, the more I believe that Boost Mode is a very basic package and not worth talking about very much.

I think Microsoft has the advantage here with BC(even though it shouldn't be your primary selling point). They have robust options, upgrades and features many without patches(I think?)

It feels like the PS5 Boost Mode will be akin to the PS2 where you could adjust like..2 things for PS1 games. Subtle boosts, nothing to write home about.

You get 99.9% compatibility, but the trade is you're not going to get very much in enhancements for those PS4 titles without true patches.

It is too bad that HipHop's famous "Remastering Engine" was not to be, because it really would have been nice as it was described, had full BC been implemented.

But that's okay. One of the best features of newer consoles is there is always room for improvements and upgrades via firmware, unlike the olden days.

I think the auto HDR and full BC back to OG xbox has already given Microsoft the advantage. But we have already seen what this boost mode can do with Sucker punch saying they are utilizing boost mode to add a 60 fps mode. with gow, ff7remake, astro bot and several other games suddenly getting patches, i wouldnt be surprised if the boost mode requires a patch, but it could just be a patch to unlock the framerate or update the config file.

 

[sircaw]

It's an 'interesting' approach with how Sony is doing their push on the PS5. Only giving Controllers to Celebs and Xbox doing the usual with sending their box to the media outlets for preview/review.

How many Twitter followers does digital foundry have vs this guy, i bet he is in the lead by a country mile

i just checked Digitial foundry has 85k, he has 1.4 million and i wonder how many other top footballers follow him to, it speads.

 

[SlimySnake]

It's an 'interesting' approach with how Sony is doing their push on the PS5. Only giving Controllers to Celebs and Xbox doing the usual with sending their box to the media outlets for preview/review.

I prefer the way MS is doing stuff. Celebrities holding controllers does nothing for me. I'd rather have tech youtubers break it down and give me the information I need instead of pic sony wants me to jerk off to.

thats one sexy controller though. i cant remember the last time we had a controller that looked that sleek.

 

[Darklor01]

Was your mum an eagle, your dad a Falcon or something?

Well spotted, i missed that.

Not even close. I usually miss this stuff.

 

[kyliethicc]

Lewandowski must be part of sony europe marketing...........if he is a celeb like figure

He's the top goal scorer and a star player on the team that just won the Champions League, Bayern Munich FC, aka the biggest team in Germany. Its smart marketing in Europe. He's famous.

Football is the biggest sport in the world. The Champions League is the most watched sporting event in the world. That guy just won that event. Sony want to sell PS5s in Europe, like in Germany, and it helps worldwide, etc.

 

[hemo memo]

Robert Lewandowski

You can’t fake that smile. Only playing Knack on PS5 can give you this joy.

 

[keram]

uh no

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Seeing Nolan North on set talking with Tom Holland makes me feel warm and cozy and hopeful for some strange reason. Nate himself bringing some wisdom to the set of the movie!

Spoiler

I know the movie will most likely suck big time, but a man can dream, right?

Edit:



Sweet.

 

[kyliethicc]

You can’t fake that smile. Only playing Knack on PS5 can give you this joy.

Knack 3 confirmed! Cerny's intent !

 

[mejin]

It's an 'interesting' approach with how Sony is doing their push on the PS5. Only giving Controllers to Celebs and Xbox doing the usual with sending their box to the media outlets for preview/review.

biased youtubers or media won't sell consoles to the mass and in the end hardwares sales matter. more and more softwares will come, more devs will use the platform as base for their multi games and so on...much more benefits for being number one.

as for us...well, we are starving for infos, but we just need to be patient. better to have a real sucess at hands than trying to convince people in the internet.

 

[Axonometri]

You can’t fake that smile. Only playing Knack on PS5 can give you this joy.

What's with the concrete wall that never ends? While were at it, what's with the floating couch? Something fishy going on in this photo. *I should drink coffee before commenting.

 

[xacto]

He's the top goal scorer and a star player on the team that just won the Champions League, Bayern Munich FC, aka the biggest team in Germany. Its smart marketing in Europe. He's famous.

Football is the biggest sport in the world. The Champions League is the most watched sporting event in the world. That guy just won that event. Sony want to sell PS5s in Europe, like in Germany, and it helps worldwide, etc.

Please, stop talking like this, sircaw will get emotional all over again...

 

[mansoor1980]

Well he scored 5 goals in 9 minutes in Bundesliga (it is a historical record).
He do hat-tricks very very frequently even in Champions League.

damn dude got skills

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

It's an 'interesting' approach with how Sony is doing their push on the PS5. Only giving Controllers to Celebs and Xbox doing the usual with sending their box to the media outlets for preview/review.

It’s a smarter approach, I’d say. There was some hype when influencers got an XSX weeks ago but they just play old games... IMO, the hype died pretty quickly.

Sony, on the other hand, by keeping the PS5 like a secret makes people go wild when they see something like Lewa with a DualSense. The fact they are also going with very very famous people and not your typical “games journalist/youtuber” helps with the appeal to the general public. They are not messing around.

I know it’s a shame people like DF still haven’t a PS5 (I do believe they’ll get one soon), but marketing is marketing and they want to win at any cost, even keeping us the enthusiasts on the dark for quite some time.

 

[Yoboman]

Seeing Nolan North on set talking with Tom Holland makes me feel warm and cozy and hopeful for some strange reason. Nate himself bringing some wisdom to the set of the movie!

Spoiler

I know the movie will most likely suck big time, but a man can dream, right?

Edit:



Sweet.

He looks more on point as Drake than I expected

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Seeing Nolan North on set talking with Tom Holland makes me feel warm and cozy and hopeful for some strange reason. Nate himself bringing some wisdom to the set of the movie!

Spoiler

I know the movie will most likely suck big time, but a man can dream, right?

Edit:



Sweet.

He... actually looks good? What the hell?

 

[carloseduardocd]

 

[PSX]

Do they always use the guy in the spacesuit holding a flag? Or is that a hint about what they're working on? Like the weird bit in Death Stranding where they keep talking about how you can explore the moon?

Probably, Kojima production logo or I would say Sigil

 

[FunkMiller]

He... actually looks good? What the hell?

He still looks more like a little boy pretending to be Nate, than Nate. Holland is a perfectly decent actor, but this is appalling casting. It's like they cast Macaulay Culkin as Indiana Jones. Roles like this need a fully grown adult male playing them. If they just try to have him say and do the kinds of things game Nate does it'll come off as weird and completely unbelievable.

 

[B_Boss]

This was a joke post.

Well I figured that but...

 

[azertydu91]

Well I figured that but...

Yep it's hard to tell these days.

 

[Hostile_18]

I've been reading the PS5 is Wifi 6 and XBSX is Wifi 5. Not really that technically minded on this but my router will be right next to the consoles, its 100mbs. Will I be better off connecting these new consoles with a ethernet cable? (Cat 8!?) Or will I get the same speed wirelessly.

I'm not really knowledgable on this aspect. Just I'll order two new cables if its needed.

 

[FranXico]

I've been reading the PS5 is Wifi 6 and XBSX is Wifi 5. Not really that technically minded on this but my router will be right next to the consoles, its 100mbs. Will I be better off connecting these new consoles with a ethernet cable? (Cat 8!?) Or will I get the same speed wirelessly.

I'm not really knowledgable on this aspect. Just I'll order two new cables if its needed.

Always prefer wired connection irrespective of wifi antennas.

 

[Dodkrake]

No, I think you misread the comment - which actually implies either amazing yields or cutting edge stacking of L2 cache and logic (temptest engine/cache scrubbers).

The 36CUs for the GPU is a matter of fact, and is merely one constraint along with the other info like the base CU count - expected to be 40CUs. I was highlighting that they either designed the APU to have 19 identical CU pairs (38 identical CUs) and 1 pair (2 identical reworked CUs) as the Tempest engine - so that the chip would produce a good chip so long as only 1 pair of the 19 was defective and/or so long as only 1 half of the of the Tempest engine pair was defective - thereby giving the 36 working CU count + the tempest engine, while adhering to the constraint of 40 - 2 pairs of 2.

The alternative IMHO is that the chip is either stacked - with the Tempest engine CU in a different layer, possibly with cache scrubber logic, probably between the CUs and the L2 cache if it is a 3 layer stack - or that Tempest engine CU is in addition to the 40CUs inside the GPU - which I believe is less logical.

I think the Tempest engine being inside the GPU is inferred by this Cerny Quote:



My view is that if the Tempest engine was separate/external to the GPU, then he would have said it could take a notch out of the system bandwidth - cpu or GPU - not the graphics processing, as he said, but it was just some positive speculation.

Why are we discussing this again? The GPU has 40CUs, not 38. It's 20 pairs, whereby 2 pairs are disabled for yields. The tempest engine is a separate thing, and what you're saying has been debated to death and discussed to oblivion. It's nonsense.

 

[RogueHALLINAN]

1:18-1:20 .. the gun goes through the side wall.

Point being ?

 

[geordiemp]

It's not the same algorithm, this is a Microsoft developed ML model specifically refined for games. AKA it works much better.

I never said it was the same algorithm, But it does EXACTLY the same thing in principal and also looks the same when I checked..

Personally, I dont like the saturated aesthetic on my LG OLED of the MS one when I have looked, or the LG one I have tested on ps4pro. They both look similar to my eyes but thats subjective.

The HDR is not selective and its not pleasing. I chose not to use the fake HDR ranging feature.

If you believe it works better with MS then great, enjoy it.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Some tweets I found regarding the use of Primitive and Mesh shaders on the next-gen consoles, not sure how accurate they are but certainly interesting.

 

[devilNprada]

For those interested in using their console as a multimedia device.

No Amazon Prime? Or HBO Max?

 

[Darklor01]

Point being ?

That I noticed bad clipping in one spot in particular, and pointed it out? I don't have an agenda.

 

[FunkMiller]

No Amazon Prime? Or HBO Max?

Doesn't look like it.

...I wonder if Amazon are starting to pull back from cooperation with other console manufacturers because of Luna.

 

[onesvenus]

The HDR is not selective and its not pleasing. I chose not to use the fake HDR ranging feature.

That's factually incorrect. Take a look at this video showing the HDR heatmaps on Yakuza for example

 

[geordiemp]

Some tweets I found regarding the use of Primitive and Mesh shaders on the next-gen consoles, not sure how accurate they are but certainly interesting.

There are also articles by developers on why they dont use the feature. There is no magic sauce.

 

[geordiemp]

That's factually incorrect. Take a look at this video showing the HDR heatmaps on Yakuza for example

Maybe i will turn it on for that game lol.

Its hit or miss, prefer when its patched in and hDR is the aesthetic intended by the creators, I dont want every white shinng in my face and prefer a more subtle quality one.

As I said, I have had the HDR auto feature for a few years, its the new bloom, but if you like it good for you.

 

[DrDamn]

No Amazon Prime? Or HBO Max?

New media experience and top entertainment streaming apps coming to PS5

Netflix, YouTube, Disney+, Spotify and more will be on PS5 at launch.

blog.playstation.com

Additional streaming apps* coming to PS5 include Amazon Prime Video, MyCanal, Hulu, Peacock, and more.

 

[SlimySnake]

I've been reading the PS5 is Wifi 6 and XBSX is Wifi 5. Not really that technically minded on this but my router will be right next to the consoles, its 100mbs. Will I be better off connecting these new consoles with a ethernet cable? (Cat 8!?) Or will I get the same speed wirelessly.

I'm not really knowledgable on this aspect. Just I'll order two new cables if its needed.

just do a speed test using the browser on the ps5. go to speedtest.net and you are looking for latency and not just the download and upload speeds. if its right next to your tv, you will get great downloads and uploads but the latency might be a bit higher still over wifi.

latency over wifi6 should be close to what you would get over ethernet. i was getting like 8ms which is crazy because my ps4 pro doesnt even support wifi 6 and thats what i usually get over ethernet.

that said, if you dont play online shooters than you dont need to connect an ethernet cable since latency is only a big deal when playing online games. even the wifi antenna in the ps4 pro is 5.1 ghz and can easily give you up to 800 gbps. wifi 6 goes up to 3 gbps iirc and no one has internet that fast anyway.

 

[Tmack]

No Amazon Prime? Or HBO Max?

Probably, but you`ll have ot download from the store.

They probably mentioned just who bought real state on the remote (buttons) and other who will come bundled in the console from the get go (paid also)... just like the Smart TV model.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's an 'interesting' approach with how Sony is doing their push on the PS5. Only giving Controllers to Celebs and Xbox doing the usual with sending their box to the media outlets for preview/review.

Showed a marked difference in the approach to marketing.

Microsoft have clearly gone all in on the influencer angle, whereas Sony are going for the more traditional celebrity endorsements. That certainly gets a lot more publicity than a few YouTubers, but we'll see how it actually affects sales and mindshare (spoiler - probably not a whole heck of a lot).

 

[devilNprada]

...I wonder if Amazon are starting to pull back from cooperation with other console manufacturers because of Luna.

Any Idea who caved them or google.. The App Being in Playstore and including Chrome cast?
People should note these petty corporate battles hurt consumers really..