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[S0ULZB0URNE]

I just noticed (on my 4th watch) that the PS5 can handle up to a m.2 22110 size NVMe drive (instead of the most common 2280 size)! Check out the 2nd picture and look at the number! They must be planning for some massive size SSD drives in the future!

2nd angle:

Aren't m.2 22110 gen 3 though

 

[nosseman]

That is not true for silicons.
Every chip with no silicon defect can reach (and even go over) the official clock specs.

It most certainly does.

Just because the chip works does not mean it could reach the desired frequency without to much voltage. This has been know for ages when it comes to CPUs.

The higher you want to the chip the more you have to throw away - even if there are no defects on them. Chip manufactures can disable some CUs and sell them as cut down versions but that is not really the case here.

 

[FunkMiller]

But to install that SSD you'll need to open the PS5 up? I can't help but think MS went with the better solution with those cards.

Proprietary though. Which means - just like with the Vita - they won’t be coming down in price much.

In a year, a 1tb ssd for Ps5 will cost half what an XsX one does.

 

[LazyParrot]

But to install that SSD you'll need to open the PS5 up? I can't help but think MS went with the better solution with those cards.

All you need to do is pop off the side panel and loosen a single screw. You'll manage. I believe in you.

 

[ethomaz]

It most certainly does.

Just because the chip works does not mean it could reach the desired frequency without to much voltage. This has been know for ages when it comes to CPUs.

The higher you want to the chip the more you have to throw away - even if there are no defects on them. Chip manufactures can disable some CUs and sell them as cut down versions but that is not really the case here.

That is for over the limit frequency.
For the frequency they are working for consumer all chips unless it is silicon defective will reach it.

Silicon bin is just that the chip can break the clock limit easier than others.

Chip manufacturers disabling CUs is due the market segmentation... almost if not all chips can run with all CUs enabled... there is a tool for RDNA I believe that let you check if the CUs disabled are efectives.... very few samples have 5700 with defective CUs... most cases the CUs are software blocked (allow you enable them) with some few % being hardware blocked (not allow you to enable) and a even lower rate are defectives (can’t proper work).

In easy terms the vast majority of 5700 can be turned in 5700XT.

 

[GloveSlap]

I dig it. Lots of nice touches like the dust holes. It is long with a lot of dead space, but if they needed it for cooling then so be it.

 

[lachesis]

Dual intake was something that I suspected with thick blower fan.... but I had not expected the heatsink to be that big O_O
And with NVME slot size being limited, I don't think you can insert any NVME SSDs but only ones with somewhat slimmer heatsink.

Nice job dismantling the actual PS5 (not demo like XSX one like they did with DF, which probably doesn't show all the wirings and all for Demo purpose, but just to show the structure of it). They even thought a little bit of gimmick (knew that it would have to rotate) - being able to put in the screw and the cap is a nice touch - like Bandai Plamodel base type thing.

With the thickness of the fan being much deeper (at least to my eyes) and having a bigger fan - hope they can achieve much quieter performance under load. Wish they'd gone just one step further including vapor chamber, instead heat pipe - but perhaps that super neat liquid metal thing would compenstate it.

Looking forward to see in real life performance at real homes... hopefully before launch.

 

[notseqi]

But to install that SSD you'll need to open the PS5 up? I can't help but think MS went with the better solution with those cards.

Opening it up looks easy af. It's only for the SSD you want to buy to bolster 'gameable'-SSD size from. Don't think you're swapping that out too much.

That is for over the limit frequency.
For the frequency they are working for consumer all chips unless it is silicon defective will reach it.

Defective silicon is sold as lower models, CUs deactivated. Not here prolly, but in general, yes.

 

[sircaw]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

@Bo_Hazem @Bryank75 sircaw @kyliethicc @BlueXImpulse @FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

I am honored that you thought i would be able to explain something to you.

As much as i would love to, i don't think i could if i wanted too.

My best advice for you is to pester ask people like geordiemp , now he can't dance, chicks run away from him and he has about as much panache as Doncabesa caught in a pro PlayStation thread.

But here is the kicker, he is pretty bright, while i am a lowly 40 watt bulb, Geordie is one off those spotlights in a stadium, so my advice from now on, follow that creature around and bombard him with technical stuff.

there are others on the forum that can do the same, but geordie is also ancient, carbon dated ancient, all the experience counts for something.

Hope this helps.

 

[PresetError]

I'm going to ask you all for a favor. Stop speculating with the size of the PS5 in comparison with other things. They already gave the official measurements...

104mm wide
390mm high
260mm deep

Nothing gives you a better idea of the size of anything than FUCKING STANDARD UNITS OF MEASUREMENT.

 

[Swift Hunta]

All you need to do is pop off the side panel and loosen a single screw. You'll manage. I believe in you.

You do realize what kinda world we do live in right?

 

[BlitzerRadic]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

@Bo_Hazem @Bryank75 sircaw @kyliethicc @BlueXImpulse @FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

I repasted my pro with liquid metal at least 3 years ago and the performance has not changed. 90% of the time the fan stays at the lowest speed and the highest it ever gets is the second level.

 

[protonion]

Not only there is a screw compartment in the base, but the screw also locks in place....and the compartment rotates to hide...

And also ps symbols mark where to attach the base...

Ok, someone had really fun designing this!

 

[ethomaz]

Defective silicon is sold as lower models, CUs deactivated. Not here prolly, but in general, yes.

Most of the lower models are not defective silicon.

 

[vpance]

I want panels that look like they're made from rough-hewn obsidian.

I'd settle for a brushed metal, receiver style.

 

[Postaldude40]

Now there is a lot of plastic there. My mind trolled me when i saw the thumbnail picture on youtube. i thought he looked like The Verge PC guy.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm going to ask you all for a favor. Stop speculating with the size of the PS5 in comparison with other things. They already gave the official measurements...

104mm wide
390mm high
260mm deep

Nothing gives you a better idea of the size of anything than FUCKING STANDARD UNITS OF MEASUREMENT.

People know how big it actually is, but that kinda ruins their fun

 

[KAOS]

Holy cow that heat sink looks about as big as an Xbox Series S!

 

[Clear]

There is no pressure differential to get excited about generated by an axial fan, its called a low pressure fan for a reason and performs better in a more open environment.

Ps5 fan is essentially a blower with dual intake.

Take from that what you will.

SX still depends upon a smaller area, lower surface clearance intake in a vertical position. As I pointed out elsewhere standing it on a deep-pile carpet is likely to cause problems, and although its not a design flaw it is the exact sort of simple mistake due to lack of forethought a kid would make.

Honest truth, is that based on the teardowns I'd expect the PS5's cooling solution to stand up in the long-term way better than the Series X's does. It seems way more robust to me.

 

[ZywyPL]

Most of the lower models are not defective silicon.

Yes they are, the chips from the wafer that don't hit the targeted clock speed and/or number of cores are being sold as lower speced models. At least on the PC market, because in consoles with just one desired specification you either hit the spot or are left with useless chip, but that's why the console APUs are so relatively small, to keep the production yields as high as possible.

 

[nosseman]

That is for over the limit frequency.
For the frequency they are working for consumer all chips unless it is silicon defective will reach it.

Silicon bin is just that the chip can break the clock limit easier than others.

Chip manufacturers disabling CUs is due the market segmentation... almost if not all chips can run with all CUs enabled... there is a tool for RDNA I believe that let you check if the CUs disabled are efectives.... very few samples have 5700 with defective CUs... most cases the CUs are software blocked (allow you enable them) with some few % being hardware blocked (not allow you to enable) and a even lower rate are defectives (can’t proper work).

In easy terms the vast majority of 5700 can be turned in 5700XT.

I bet that there are PS5 APUs that would run fine all day on 3GHz/1.5Ghz (working just fine) but could not hit 3.5Ghz/2.23Ghz.

 

[ethomaz]

Like we are talking about binning... let's clear something here:

There are two types of binning:

1) Vendors conduct testing and bin the component based on its performance results.

2) Vendors may bin-out high-performance components by disabling some of their capabilities and marketing them as lower performance to meet their own supply/demand needs.

The second 2 case happens way more than the first case unless you have a really fucked project that delivered like 50% or less good yields.... that rarely happens and in the history you can count in a hand how many times a company suffered with less than 50% good yields (I remember nVidia once with Fermi).

For most vender the amount of lower spec chips demand is way higher than the high specs demand so they need to get the high-spec chips and bin them to run in lower specs to meet demand.
That is for market segmentation... demand is what drives the binning.

If you have like the usual over 80% of good yield from a Wafer then you won't need to do binning based in performance results (1).

 

[ethomaz]

I bet that there are PS5 APUs that would run fine all day on 3GHz/1.5Ghz (working just fine) but could not hit 3.5Ghz/2.23Ghz.

I bet most if not all PS5 APUs can reach 3.5Ghz/2.23Ghz just fine and even go higher than that.

 

[Aguero9320]

That is because this "thing" is 20x more powerful than your old, beige desktop.

My phone is 20x more powerful than it. No excuse for this monstrosity whatsoever

 

[farmerboy]

..... while i am a lowly 40 watt bulb......

Hope this helps.

That sits out in the garden shed, with ten years of dust and the burnt out bodies of numerous insects stuck to its globe, further dimming what was once, at least, a perfectly functional globe (though not too bright) but is now a shadow of its former self, casting dimly lit shadows at dusk.

 

[ethomaz]

Yes they are, the chips from the wafer that don't hit the targeted clock speed and/or number of cores are being sold as lower speced models. At least on the PC market, because in consoles with just one desired specification you either hit the spot or are left with useless chip, but that's why the console APUs are so relatively small, to keep the production yields as high as possible.

On PC market there is more demand for lower spec models than high specs.
There is more lower spec models being fully chips than defective ones.

 

[sircaw]

That sits out in the garden shed, with ten years of dust and the burnt out bodies of numerous insects stuck to its globe, further dimming what was once, at least, a perfectly functional globe (though not too bright) but is now a shadow of its former self, casting dimly lit shadows at dusk.

Jesus Christ, kick a man when he is down. I am sorry about the Combine harvester jokes, jeez

 

[Tripolygon]

I think it looks better like this, I bet there's going to be a huge market for aftermarket covers as they're easy to remove, and I'm thinking like a clear/frosted acrylic one. With the built in blue LEDs? Oomph.

Transparent covers. That would be awesome.

 

[TTOOLL]

19 pages of people canceling pre orders lol

 

[Punkster88]

The fact that they're using liquid metal has me a bit worried. I think I'll wait until v2 or maybe for the Pro version.

 

[ethomaz]

The fact that they're using liquid metal has me a bit worried. I think I'll wait until v2 or maybe for the Pro version.

But it is a better solution than thermal paste... and have a better lifespan too.

 

[Patrick S.]

Gamers: Send Noods

Sony: How about an autopsy

 

[ZywyPL]

On PC market there is more demand for lower spec models than high specs.
There is more lower spec models being fully chips than defective ones.

Of course, but still, the chips that would've been otherwise scrapped are often sold as the lower tier model, like the RX5700 for example, or hexa-core Ryzen CPUs.

The fact that they're using liquid metal has me a bit worried. I think I'll wait until v2 or maybe for the Pro version.

Yeah, liquid metal + enormous heatsink + huge turbine, it all does make you wonder how much heat the PS5 APU must be producing. One thing is sure, the thermal tests of the upcoming consoles with two different and unprecedented cooling designs will be more interesting than ever before.

 

[TLZ]

the video itself even says "RDNA2 Based" which suggests its not full RDNA2, which is as expected

Oh shut up.

 

[Kdad]

Aren't m.2 22110 gen 3 though

The 22110 is simply the physical dimension...why couldn't you have a 22110 that is gen4?

 

[ethomaz]

Of course, but still, the chips that would've been otherwise scrapped are often sold as the lower tier model, like the RX5700 for example, or hexa-core Ryzen CPUs.

Yes.

But that is not my point... I said most of the 5700 are chips that can run comfortable as 5700XT.
There is way more demand for 5700 (because it is cheaper) than defective chips.

And the defectives chips are something that trends to reach close to 0 after some several months of production.... that is when in our example all 5700 are in fact functional 5700XT chips and not defectives.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I'm going to ask you all for a favor. Stop speculating with the size of the PS5 in comparison with other things. They already gave the official measurements...

104mm wide
390mm high
260mm deep

Nothing gives you a better idea of the size of anything than FUCKING STANDARD UNITS OF MEASUREMENT.

But that's metric what is it in FREEDOM units?

 

[Punkster88]

But it is a better solution than thermal paste... and have a better lifespan too.

That's what they claim but is it true? Liquid metal has displacement issues and you need to reapply more frequently about once a year this is what they recommend for PC but Sony's version of LM might need less maintenance but I think after 2 years you will definitely need to paint on a fresh coat.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Proprietary though. Which means - just like with the Vita - they won’t be coming down in price much.

In a year, a 1tb ssd for Ps5 will cost half what an XsX one does.

In a year at half cost? Tell me more about your industry experience..

They even thought a little bit of gimmick (knew that it would have to rotate) - being able to put in the screw and the cap is a nice touch - like Bandai Plamodel base type thing.

You have to stand that shit up like a Christmas tree. Someone needs to meme bringing it home tied to the roof of your car and setting it up for Christmas with lights on it.

 

[Grinchy]

That's what they claim but is it true? Liquid metal has displacement issues and you need to reapply more frequently about once a year. Sony's version of LM might need less maintenance but after 2 years you will need to paint on a fresh coat.

You seriously think Sony is putting out a system that would require 10s of millions of average Joes to reapply liquid metal compound??

Either you know the engineering better than them, or you are making a giant, ridiculous, baseless assumption. Which sounds more likely?

 

[blastprocessor]

I like how easy it is to remove the covers. Custom covers are going to be the rage.

 

[Yoboman]

But that's metric what is it in FREEDOM units?

Width - 47 toes wide
Height - 15 lengths between the thumb and pinky finger
Depth - 1 bald eagle beak

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's what they claim but is it true? Liquid metal has displacement issues and you need to reapply more frequently about once a year this is what they recommend for PC but Sony's version of LM might need less maintenance but I think after 2 years you will definitely need to paint on a fresh coat.

I do not think they designed a consumer console that requires to be sent in every two years... not likely at all.

 

[geordiemp]

the video itself even says "RDNA2 Based" which suggests its not full RDNA2, which is as expected

Whats RDNA2 based and what is RDNA2 ? We would all like to know.

The pC parts are 2.2 and 2.5 Ghz, Ps5 is 2.23 Ghz

PC parts are 256 bit bus as well and fast caches

What is the odd one ? Does it not stick out to you ?#

Seems to me pC parts and Ps5 RDNA2 are very similar

 

[Punkster88]

You seriously think Sony is putting out a system that would require 10s of millions of average Joes to reapply liquid metal compound??

Either you know the engineering better than them, or you are making a giant, ridiculous, baseless assumption. Which sounds more likely?

Why not, they did it with the PS4 or don't you remember all the bitching about why is my PS4 so loud and why is it running hot? Because it's been over 6 years and it's time to reapply the thermal paste.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Custom covers should be cool. Like 360 faceplates.

 

[Rentahamster]

Holy shit liquid metal, I gotta give them props for that. I hope they designed their heatsinks with alloy compatibility in mind.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Whats RDNA2 based and what is RDNA2 ? We would all like to know.

The pC parts are 2.2 and 2.5 Ghz, Ps5 is 2.23 Ghz

PC parts are 256 bit bus as well and fast caches

What is the odd one ? Does it not stick out to you ?#

Seems to me pC parts and Ps5 RDNA2 are very similar

I think they're both RDNA2 (as AMD fucking said you goobers - not you Geordie) but not sure about bigger L1/L2 cache. We'll see.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I like how easy it is to remove the covers. Custom covers are going to be the rage.

JFC, lmao!

I do not think they designed a consumer console that requires to be sent in every two years... not likely at all.

On the scale of drool to concern, how concerned should we be?

 

[iHaunter]

You know someone's gonna make one that's transparent and maybe one with more fans built in.

Definitely, if Sony don't make a Spiderman one, someone will!