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[Gavon West]

It seems to me that TES or Fallout are too big to be kept away from PS5, we're gonna see tho, I might be wrong.

I think some of you need to get used to the idea that Sony may not have a sweeping generation in the coming weeks. I done told y'all! Sony. Aint. Guaranteed. Shit.

This was a genuine game changer. And it has/will change the game.

 

[Redlight]

did you read the post, that i asked you too, it kinda put you in your place if i said the same thing will happen to Sony and that Microsoft has a head start.

Did you read it?

stop playing silly games here,

I've, sadly, read most of your posts in this thread. Your refer to them as if you've presented a logical or compelling argument. You haven't.

Your argument boils down to this...

• Many of the best Xbox games will be on PS5 because you want them to be and MS needs to make money (though, strangely this only seems to apply to the Zenimax games that you want).

• PS5 games will only be on PS5 because you want them to be (and apparently Sony doesn't need money or additional sales).

• One day Sony might have to make their games multi-platform, but not this gen like MS, no siree Bob!

It's just a ridiculous narrative that seeks to blunt the remarkable acquisition of Zenimax. 'Oh, that doesn't matter! Those games are all coming to PS5 anyway!".

They aren't, but be careful what you wish for.

If Sony is forced to do a future deal where MS licenses these games to them it will be on Microsofts terms and would indicate some level of desperation on Sony's part. They would never, ever accept a deal like this from a position of strength.

 

[sircaw]

I have already explained it to you, how many times do i need to go over it.

MICROSOFT are not the premier name in gaming atm, You might not know this but in the console world Sony/ ntindo are kings and by a country mile. hundreds of millions consoles to what, 40 million maybe.

Pc has so many other outlets to consider steam, bla bla bla the list can go on.

Microsoft do not have the trust nor the gaming pedigree atm to let gamepass sit on its own as an essential service.


It is replaceable, it can be outcompeted, its nothing special, its your run of the mill games platform that needs time to grow, you think they gave out millions of 1 dollar subs because its the best experience in gaming, no it did not.

As present Microsoft are in limbo, they need time to grow game pass, add quality to it, why do you think so many people on this forum call it a filler service.



Here is a quote from Good old Phil,

Spencer said the lack of current console exclusives is intentional.

“We should applaud load times and fidelity of scenes and framerate and input latency, and all of these things that we’ve focused on with the next generation,” Spencer said. “But that should not exclude people from being able to play.”


Spencer classified gaming as a fun, community activity — and not one that should ever exclude people based on their financial situation or lack of access.

“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”



READ The bold part 5 times over and then read it again. This is direct from PHIL SPENCER.

This is Phil Spencers words, not mine.

you might not like it, it might not line up with your line of thought, but this is direct from the man himself and its 2 months old, not 10 years ago.

I think this pretty much puts the argument meant to bed.

What xbox fans and fanboys are trying to ague against is in direct opposition to what Phil, head of there gaming section is saying.

I am sorry you guys can't see it, but read his quotes again, unless you think he is a liar

 

[GeoramA]

So much denial in this thread. Want to play these games on a console? Go buy an Xbox.

Want to play a couple of games you're missing out on, better cough up another $500!

This is why acquisitions like these are horrible for gamers.

 

[Hostile_18]

90 million X-Box Live users works out at $84 each at 7.5 billion investment. If my maths hasn't failed me got to respect that kind of investment.

 

[Tschumi]

Bethesda aren't hot shit anymore. They were the CD Projekt of the 00s, but they're Bioware now. Thread.

 

[KiNeMz]

I've been marinating over this some more over the last few days.
Being a Microsoft Professional I've seen Microsoft shift overall in the last few years. They have been setting them selves up for many years now to become the global force in productivity by merging all there services into fee based subscriptions and cloud offerings. Instead of offering licensed based software installation models, they now offer everything in the cloud with subscription based services. Office, Windows, SQL, Active Directory, Lync are all applications they have now migrated to the office 365 packages. Now some of the offerings that are coming out of these cloud services are absolutely amazing, Power Apps, Graph APIs, AI, Azure tools. This is truly a movement to the most powerful cloud initiatives the world has ever seen. All business around the world are jumping on board of Microsofts services due to the power that all these tools can offer at the simple click of a button. Its an amazing platform that's evolving if you truly get into the weeds of it all..

So now this big acquisition. I think we can all see the push to providing the same Software as A service models that Microsoft are using for their business and consumer offerings are being applied to the Xbox game services. They have the productivity services, now its time to build the Entertainment Services. Now what if this 7.5 billion dollars wasn't just about IP and Developers. What if Zenimax/Bethesda have some technology that can benefit Microsoft SaaS. What if Microsoft start implementing gaming technologies into there Office products? What f the vision is so much bigger than just games exclusivity. What if Microsoft are trying to deploy a huge cloud Video Game Service that's not just aimed at the players. A full suite of Video Game Services. Encapsulating the Concept, to proof of concept, to Engine building deployment, marketing to publishing, to playing to consuming, to esports, to content creation, all in one platform. Based off the other directions and decisions made by Microsoft, this is definitely possible.

I see Gamepass as Microsoft' first step into this Video Games as a Service model, but if you see the direction the company has been taking in the last 10 years, you would know that the Video Games as a service doesn't just stop at the consumer level. Microsoft CEO Nadella probably doesn't just envision the Microsoft Xbox Games Unit as a separate entity, especially if he throws 7.5 bill into a deal. He sees this as viable unit inside the Microsoft offerings that can provide value across the entire suite of Microsoft services, not just in a silo business Unit that's off doing its own thing. I can imagine Xbox services being implemented into the office platforms. Imagine a wellbeing service app in Teams that monitors how long you have been working for and throws you a Level of Doom for 15 minutes to force you to take a break. Meetings where all participants are interacting in a Fallout abandoned warehouse, the possibilities here are endless.

I seriously think we need to watch this space over the next few years. Whether some games end up exclusive or not, I don't think that's really the concern of Microsoft at this stage. I think they are trying to create something that none of us really understand yet. They have always done this with all their products. You always wonder why they approach a certain decision in the manner that they do until suddenly you realize that they were trying to take over the whole market with an entirely different approach all along. I think this 7.5 billion purchase is important to something we don't know yet. Some others have mentioned that Microsoft may have been making this deal due to the streaming tech that Bethesda had, and that could be a part of it. 7.5 Billion dollar deals have many, many parts of it. This wasn't just 7.5 million for Doom, Fallout and Starfield.

Remember, Majority of business' out there use Microsoft products in some way or another. Sony would be using Microsoft Servers, SQL databases and VisualBasic Tools to produce all their games, run all their platforms and monitor all their networks. They signed the deal to use Azure for their services, which isn't surprising since every single business around the world is either using azure now or considering it. Its just good cost effective powerful and available. You never know, Sony may end up creating games on some "Microsoft Xbox Game 365" platform in the future because it becomes such a behemoth, providing availability, cost effectiveness, ease of use and providing an extremely efficient way for getting a game from concept phase to consumer in 1 platform.

But then again this could be all a pipe dream and this is pure exclusivity to beat Sony.

 

[Hostile_18]

Bethesda aren't hot shit anymore. They were the CD Projekt of the 00s, but they're Bioware now. Thread.

I LOVED Evil Within. Some of the best games I've played this gen. Dooms were super fun as well. Maybe not quite at the height of their powers but not too far away from it, certainly no Bioware IMO.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Want to play a couple of games you're missing out on, better cough up another $500!

This is why acquisitions like these are horrible for gamers.

weren't so horrible when this forum was jumping up n' down with joy to the rumors of sony spending $750 million just to exclude xbox gamers from some premier games...

 

[CatLady]

Would it not look bad to buy something for so much just to cut its revenue stream over night by so much? Obviously been exclusive will bring in it's own money in a few various ways but would it make up for the turnover Zenimax makes today selling to everyone? It's a long term strategy and maybe a tough sell and introduces risk changing the business model.

If a Gamepass and multi format release works well I wouldn't be surprised if more X Box titles get ported over. Previous statements in the past have said as much (though merely likely talking about the Switch). I think they haven't been previously because they have embraced the traditional first party model for their other studios. If any company dares change things up though its Microsoft, as Gamepass has shown.

I could see it going either way tbh.

I'm not going to get into this with you, because you are normally a pleasant and rational poster except when you want something unreasonable to happen because it benefits Sony platforms. Xbox is not here to accommodate people who buy only the competing platform, nor to provide AAA content for Sony.

I grown to like and respect over time but in my first encounter with you I was ready to strangle you. You expected Obsidian to discount the Outer Worlds for Sony gamers because it was day and date on Game Pass. Didn't happen just because you wanted it to, and this isn't going to happen just because you want it to. either.

Enjoy your PS5 and the Sony games you love, I'll do the same on my Series X and the games I love. but let's you and I not cross swords on this issue again.

 

[Panajev2001a]

So much denial in this thread. Want to play these games on a console? Go buy an Xbox.

No denial, it is clear and it is a good acquisition. It also helps to understand that all the anti consumer / anti-time or full exclusives / etc... propaganda was just lashing out by a particular part of the fanbase that either felt vulnerable or had to hate/put down whatever was perceived as a strength of the competition.

Now that those people feel like they have the winning hand they are all about “games will not come to your console, suck it, salty fanboy, will have to buy an Xbox”... of course the sour grapes circle has the people that would say “well, never wanted crappy Bethesda games anyways”...

It would be terrible for the industry but say that Sony got partially bought out by Disney (say 40% stake or something) and bought Nintendo and Rockstar (something ludicrous like that) and money hatted exclusives... people now gloating over Bethesda and lording it over other fanboys would all be back to the line “how exclusives are bad, using money made outside of gaming distorts the natural competition (which it does), etc”... in a world where gaming as we know it is burning it would be a bit of fun to be had .

 

[sircaw]

I've, sadly, read most of your posts in this thread. Your refer to them as if you've presented a logical or compelling argument. You haven't.

Your argument boils down to this...

• Many of the best Xbox games will be on PS5 because you want them to be and MS needs to make money (though, strangely this only seems to apply to the Zenimax games that you want).

• PS5 games will only be on PS5 because you want them to be (and apparently Sony doesn't need money or additional sales).

• One day Sony might have to make their games multi-platform, but not this gen like MS, no siree Bob!

It's just a ridiculous narrative that seeks to blunt the remarkable acquisition of Zenimax. 'Oh, that doesn't matter! Those games are all coming to PS5 anyway!".

They aren't, but be careful what you wish for.

If Sony is forced to do a future deal where MS licenses these games to them it will be on Microsofts terms and would indicate some level of desperation on Sony's part. They would never, ever accept a deal like this from a position of strength.

Your so wound up in your one upmanship games you can't see the trees from the forest.

This particular quote says it all It's just a ridiculous narrative that seeks to blunt the remarkable acquisition of Zenimax.

Your stuck looking at it from a fanboy perspective, i am not, Microsoft did wonderfully well to buy those, are you happy now? is that why you have been getting your titties all twisted about?, you think i was trying to diminishe Microsoft acquisition, please tell me it was not this, fuck me that is petty of you.

I was discussing where this was all going, stating that microsoft was going to become a juggernaut in 10 years, why would i say that if i was throwing shade, Is this really the points you got out of the conversation.?????

Sweet Jesus,

Recap.

Microsoft has bigger fish to fry namely google/amazon/ nvidia to play than worrying about Sony as competition.
Sony will have to go the same way eventually and follow Microsoft.
Microsoft wants to have there gamepass on all devices, that will include Sonys eventually.
They need time to grow it.

RABID XBOX FAN BOYS, YOUR TRYING TO DIMISH MICROSOFT ACQUISTION.

How DARE YOU.

I am out lol.

~No more replies to this thread.

Cya in a few years Stuart.

 

[godhandiscen]

Bethesda aren't hot shit anymore. They were the CD Projekt of the 00s, but they're Bioware now. Thread.

TES6 has more hype than anything CDPR could announce.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

No denial, it is clear and it is a good acquisition. It also helps to understand that all the anti consumer / anti-time or full exclusives / etc... propaganda was just lashing out by a particular part of the fanbase that either felt vulnerable or had to hate/put down whatever was perceived as a strength of the competition.

Now that those people feel like they have the winning hand they are all about “games will not come to your console, suck it, salty fanboy, will have to buy an Xbox”... of course the sour grapes circle has the people that would say “well, never wanted crappy Bethesda games anyways”...

It would be terrible for the industry but say that Sony got partially bought out by Disney (say 40% stake or something) and bought Nintendo and Rockstar (something ludicrous like that) and money hatted exclusives... people now gloating over Bethesda and lording it over other fanboys would all be back to the line “how exclusives are bad, using money made outside of gaming distorts the natural competition (which it does), etc”... in a world where gaming as we know it is burning it would be a bit of fun to be had .

Strange....
Its as if I was on a different forum the last couple of months, that didn't jump all around with joy at the rumors that sony moneyhatted $750.000.000 just to exclude xbox gamers from some "big games"

 

[Tschumi]

TES6 has more hype than anything CDPR could announce.

That's a wildly subjective statement if ever i saw one

 

[Redlight]

Outside of games already on PS5, and outside of games where a deal is already in place, and outside of Starfield where its close enough that a deal may already be in place, so Bethesda games coming AFTER Starfield, such as Elder Scrolls 6, Fallout 5, Doom 3, will or will not come to PS5 If those game do come, i have lost, if they dont come to PS5, i have won..
Outside of those stipulations, no Bethesda games will release on PS5, UNLESS its through Gamepass on PS5.

'If Stuart360 is correct, 'sircaw' accepts a 3 months ban from Neogaf. If Stuart360 is incorrect, he accepts a 3 month ban from Neogaf.

I'm not great with contracts but i think this is clear enough, you agree?.
I can PM ModofWar if you agree.

Fish are extremely slippery.

 

[CatLady]

I don't understand anyone being surprised.
"Hi Jim, it's Phil. I'm sure you've heard the zenimax news by now but don't worry, nothing is changing for you. You're getting the exact same deal. We are just overtaking Bethesda's operations that had started to turn unprofitable for them. We'll run the same model. The last thing we want is for anybody who bought into your ecosystem instead of ours to be offended. We want them to stay right where they are and play our games that just cost us a fortune anyway."

Are people dilusional enough to think this was Microsoft's game plan?

You left out "By the Way Jim, feel free to moneyhat any more of our games that you'd like to lock us out of. I know you were interested in keeping us out of Starflied go ahead and help yourself, our users can wait".

 

[Panajev2001a]

Strange....
Its as if I was on a different forum the last couple of months, that didn't jump all around with joy at the rumors that sony moneyhatted $750.000.000 just to exclude xbox gamers from some "big games"

Hehe, you again reply without reading what I wrote and just prove my point. All this was never about caring for competition, not excluding gamers, etc... everything is bad until it benefits your side (same for the brothers and sisters on the other fringe).

 

[Stuart360]

That's a wildly subjective statement if ever i saw one

To be fair, if Elder Scrolls 6 was releasing the same date as Cyberpunk, and had the same amount of hype time leading up to launch, that would be one interesting sales war.
Imo Elder Scrolls 6 would just take it, just.

 

[quest]

weren't so horrible when this forum was jumping up n' down with joy to the rumors of sony spending $750 million just to exclude xbox gamers from some premier games...

You mean the styling and profiling here until this news lol. I said all along buy studios.

Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft

Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...

www.neogaf.com

 

[GiJoint]

Lets face it, if Sony had the spare cash lying about for big purchases like this they would do it and they would make the IPs they’ve picked up exclusive with maybe a PC release further down the line.

Sony are just doing this on a smaller scale now, sniffing around for timed exclusives, early access or heck even having Spider-Man only on their version of the Avengers etc Microsoft have now come in, upped the ante, used their purchasing power and made a massive play that will attract customers into their eco system and good on em especially after being hammered this gen. They don’t owe Sony a thing.

 

[Kumomeme]

hope this will made sony first party to get more all out out to put out great game. this is why we need competition.

 

[aliadiere25]

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

I guarantee you when shit hits the fan and they're not selling that many copes, they'll sell it on the PS5. There's a reason why they still keep Minecraft on the PS store.

 

[Megatron]

Half the shit that comes out of his mouth is absolutely nothing. Every AAA will be on all platforms because it is what the board desires to make a profit after paying 7.5Bil dollars.
Basically "on a case by case basis" means AAA gets to be on PS5, filler garbage like the new Arkane AA online GaaS game "Exclusive to Xbox"

Exactly! Just like always put their AAA titles like Halo, Forza and Gears on PlayStation, so too can you expect.... oh wait.

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

I guarantee you when shit hits the fan and they're not selling that many copes, they'll sell it on the PS5. There's a reason why they still keep Minecraft on the PS store.

What would be the point in yanking Minecraft now? It would just create bad will. You’ll notice they haven’t released any of their other games on Playstation. I think that is more telling, but believe what you like.

 

[Redlight]

Your so wound up in your one upmanship games you can't see the trees from the forest.

This particular quote says it all It's just a ridiculous narrative that seeks to blunt the remarkable acquisition of Zenimax.

Your stuck looking at it from a fanboy perspective, i am not, Microsoft did wonderfully well to buy those, are you happy now? is that why you have been getting your titties all twisted about?, you think i was trying to diminishe Microsoft acquisition, please tell me it was not this, fuck me that is petty of you.

I was discussing where this was all going, stating that microsoft was going to become a juggernaut in 10 years, why would i say that if i was throwing shade, Is this really the points you got out of the conversation.?????

Sweet Jesus,

Recap.

Microsoft has bigger fish to fry namely google/amazon/ nvidia to play than worrying about Sony as competition.
Sony will have to go the same way eventually and follow Microsoft.
Microsoft wants to have there gamepass on all devices, that will include Sonys eventually.
They need time to grow it.

RABID XBOX FAN BOYS, YOUR TRYING TO DIMISH MICROSOFT ACQUISTION.

How DARE YOU.

I am out lol.

~No more replies to this thread.

Cya in a few years Stuart.

Your entire 'argument' has been a backdoor way to magically get those Zenimax games onto PS5 this gen. Everything else has been misdirection and guff.

Those games 'ain't coming to PS5.

If you want to play them, I hope you've got a massive entertainment centre.

 

[Stuart360]

You left out "By the Way Jim, feel free to moneyhat any more of our games that you'd like to lock us out of. I know you were interested in keeping us out of Starflied go ahead and help yourself, our users can wait".

I'd honestly think Phil and Microsoft have lost the plot if the likes of Starfield (outside of any possible deal already in place), and Elder scrolls 6, Fallout 5, go to PS5.
I know some people exaggerrate some of the decisions Microsoft have made over the years, to make them look worse than they are, but putting 'system seller' level games like that ON Ps5 will certainly take the biscuit.

 

[sircaw]

Your entire 'argument' has been a backdoor way to magically get those Zenimax games onto PS5 this gen. Everything else has been misdirection and guff.

Those games 'ain't coming to PS5.

If you want to play them, I hope you've got a massive entertainment centre.

Remember to read what Phil said, I even bolded it for you.



Here is a quote from Good old Phil,

Spencer said the lack of current console exclusives is intentional.

“We should applaud load times and fidelity of scenes and framerate and input latency, and all of these things that we’ve focused on with the next generation,” Spencer said. “But that should not exclude people from being able to play.”


Spencer classified gaming as a fun, community activity — and not one that should ever exclude people based on their financial situation or lack of access.

“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”

Have a good night.

 

[Redlight]

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

I guarantee you when shit hits the fan and they're not selling that many copes, they'll sell it on the PS5. There's a reason why they still keep Minecraft on the PS store.

Well at least you've distilled Sircaws argument into a single line (stupid though it may be).
If Microsoft needed Playstation you'd already be playing Horizon 4, instead of waiting for Horizon 2.

 

[Warablo]

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

I guarantee you when shit hits the fan and they're not selling that many copes, they'll sell it on the PS5. There's a reason why they still keep Minecraft on the PS store.

Microsoft doesn't need shit, Sony could be out of business in 5 years.

 

[Stuart360]

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

I guarantee you when shit hits the fan and they're not selling that many copes, they'll sell it on the PS5. There's a reason why they still keep Minecraft on the PS store.

Microsoft release on PC dont forget, and there are more PC gamers than Playstation and Xbox put together.

 

[JLB]

Any Exec's views/ideas can change at the drop of hat so it's not a good idea to believe everything someone like Spencer or Ryan say (after all, they still report to people above them).

But it's interesting to note that Spencer doesn't completely rule it out, instead it's left open, with "case by case basis".

sure, though the same chances of spiderman or god of war or tlu on xbox.

 

[sircaw]

Well at least you've distilled Sircaws argument into a single line (stupid though it may be).
If Microsoft needed Playstation you'd already be playing Horizon 4, instead of waiting for Horizon 2.

it just shows you have not been reading any of the posts.

Breath, go and read them, and comprehend what is happening, instead of running into every argument like a bull in a china shop.

Remember to read Phils quotes.

 

[GiJoint]

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

That’s enough for you today.

 

[01011001]

Microsoft needs PlayStation. PlayStation doesn't need Microsoft.

I guarantee you when shit hits the fan and they're not selling that many copes, they'll sell it on the PS5. There's a reason why they still keep Minecraft on the PS store.

Minecraft is still multiplatform because it was when they bought it and they don't want angry fans. Minecraft is basically the biggest game ever, you don't wanna piss off the fanbase of the biggest game in the world.

 

[aliadiere25]

Microsoft doesn't need shit, Sony could be out of business in 5 years.

They could well be. But Microsoft is not buying these companies from their gaming profits.... they're buying them from their software budget. They're not making that 7.5 billion back anytime soon, in terms of their gaming profits.

Each year Sony is making big profits from its gaming. Their revenue stream is growing and growing.... and I suspect it'll keep growing from the PS5.

 

[mikefrails]

I hope they go the exclusive route just for the tears.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Fish are extremely slippery.

let him slip. he is close to a nervous breakdown

Hehe, you again reply without reading what I wrote and just prove my point. All this was never about caring for competition, not excluding gamers, etc... everything is bad until it benefits your side (same for the brothers and sisters on the other fringe).

As I said, this entire forum was thriving at the idea that sony paid almost a billion to lock out xbox out of some big games. I can quote a few thousand posts if you like... will it be COD? will it be GTA 6? etc etc. Suck it CRAIG, cross-gen-box etc.
Saying that any discussion about xbox without hundreds of troll messages fucking it up was impossible, is an understatement.

And now suddenly some have become the ...peaceful voice of ...peace and equilibrium justice

Even funnier is how you have use ....Disney's money to give us an example for "change of winning hand" ...concern.
Well, I'll tell you what: let disney buy sony first, then we'll talk about your concerns

 

[Stuart360]

That’s enough for you today.

Wow what an arsehole. Not you, i mean the dick in the picture.

 

[Panajev2001a]

let him slip. he is close to a nervous breakdown


As I said, this entire forum was thriving at the idea that sony paid almost a billion to lock out xbox out of some big games. I can quote a few thousand posts if you like... will it be COD? will it be GTA 6? etc etc. Suck it CRAIG, cross-gen-box etc.
Saying that any discussion about xbox without hundreds of troll messages fucking it up was impossible, is an understatement.

And now suddenly some have become the ...peaceful voice of ...peace and justice

Even funnier is how you have use ....Disney's money to give us an example for "change of winning hand" ...concern.
Well, I'll tell you what: let disney buy sony first, then we'll talk about your concerns

Not as good as dreaming up the fanboy war angle but sure, will be waiting for next time you feel threatened and pull out the “competitor is anti-consumer and a big meanie” BS (not to be offensive, just that few people believed it really IMHO) and then secretly wish it were your faction dosing out the same thing .

 

[DaGwaphics]

But imagine the extra pre orders and money that would bring in now before next gen starts. That's alot of money to leave on the table and if true a terrible marketing mistake.

I honestly doubt announcing games will be available at some point in the future is going to increase pre-orders. This is going to be a soft launch for MS, I'm sure they've accepted that.

When the move could push some hardware is when the software becomes available.

 

[Gavon West]

I'd honestly think Phil and Microsoft have lost the plot if the likes of Starfield (outside of any possible deal already in place), and Elder scrolls 6, Fallout 5, go to PS5.
I know some people exaggerrate some of the decisions Microsoft have made over the years, to make them look worse than they are, but putting 'system seller' level games like that ON Ps5 will certainly take the biscuit.

Subscriptions AND console sellers. By the millions I might add

 

[Kagey K]

Remember to read what Phil said, I even bolded it for you.



Here is a quote from Good old Phil,

Spencer said the lack of current console exclusives is intentional.

“We should applaud load times and fidelity of scenes and framerate and input latency, and all of these things that we’ve focused on with the next generation,” Spencer said. “But that should not exclude people from being able to play.”


Spencer classified gaming as a fun, community activity — and not one that should ever exclude people based on their financial situation or lack of access.

“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”

Have a good night.

And he’s not lying the games will be on a multitude of devices..... just not the one you want it to be on.

Luckily though, you probably already own a device that will be capable of playing those games.

 

[sircaw]

And he’s not lying the games will be on a multitude of devices..... just not the one you want it to be on.

Luckily though, you probably already own a device that will be capable of playing those games.

You can look at it that way if you like, i look at it another way. But what matters is how Microsoft sees it. Time will tell.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Not as good as dreaming up the fanboy war angle but sure, will be waiting for next time you feel threatened and pull out the “competitor is anti-consumer and a big meanie” BS (not to be offensive, just that few people believed it really IMHO) and then secretly wish it were your faction dosing out the same thing .

As I said, I never saw you opposing to ff16 timed exclusive moneyhat, the twin bethesda moneyhat, or the $750mil moneyhat rumors. So don't play the "fanboy" card on me.
Come November 12, I will be posting especially for you some pics of my ps5 , in fact I will clear an entire shelf so I can fit it next to my ps4s and ps3, just for the giggles.
You will have to do the same with your xbox X, and then we can talk some more about "your factions" and "fanboys".
As we stand right now, you are the faction and I am the player who pays all of them.
Now allow me to not feel ...concerned about your example of Sony making life difficult for xbox with Disney's money. Or find a better concern.
In fact, were Disney to buy sony, most probably I would get some free enhancements for my ps4 games, you know, like spiderman, instead of having sony pissing me off. So all good to me.

 

[AntonioBanderasXsX]

Matt booty has used the exact 'case by case' terminology for other studio acquisitions.

It means:
-Current contracts fulfilled
-Some online only games like TES Online will be multiplatform
-Oh and we'll throw Nintendo a bone here and there cause someone at MS has a fetish for them lol.. that's it.

 

[Panajev2001a]

As I said, I never saw you opposing to ff16 timed exclusive moneyhat, the twin bethesda moneyhat, or the $750mil moneyhat rumors. So don't play the "fanboy" card on me.
Come November 12, I will be posting especially for you some pics of my ps5 , in fact I will clear an entire shelf so I can fit it next to my ps4s and ps3, just for the giggles.
You will have to do the same with your xbox X, and then we can talk some more about "your factions" and "fanboys".
As we stand right now, you are the faction and I am the player who pays all of them.
Now allow me to not feel ...concerned about your example of Sony making life difficult for xbox with Disney's money. Or find a better concern.

You are very bad at stalking other forums members before trying to call them out . Did you see me gloating about those things or lording it over the suckers or salty fanboy tears about those exclusives while calling all this anti consumer? Again feels like a canned reply to a quick reading.
Nice way to dodge and side step the point and flip the argument around. All the mean Sony money batting and being anti consumer with exclusives was more about envy / being upset it was not one side doing it (did not see you and others cheering when Sony was getting those exclusives as when other purchases were made ).

Good you got a “not a fanboy warrior” second console which you absolutely do not care if it wins or loses against XSX... uh uh... anyways, to the next honest pro-consumer fight in a mean SonyGAF world .

 

[Aion002]

I think that is pretty clear that if you enjoy playing on consoles and you like Bethesda games, after Deathloop and Ghostwire, you will need an Xbox Series.

The same way if you enjoy Final Fantasy games and want to play them on day one, you should buy a Playstation 5.

JRPG x RPG.


It's the PS2 x Xbox war all over again.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

You are very bad at stalking other forums members before trying to call them out . Did you see me gloating about those things or lording it over the suckers or salty fanboy tears about those exclusives while calling all this anti consumer? Again feels like a canned reply to a quick reading.

Good you got a “not a fanboy warrior” second console which you absolutely do not care if it wins or loses against XSX... uh uh... anyways, to the next honest pro-consumer fight in a mean SonyGAF world .

I already said: I never saw you opposing sony's moneyhats. Didn't see you try to stop the massive xbox trolling either.
But now, you come with your imaginery scenarios of sony answering with other people's money.

Playstation 4 IS my second console, and playstation 5 most probably again be my second console. But not because I am like you, but because microsoft offers me the better hardware and the better value for my money too.

 

[Gavon West]

 

[HaveButOneLife]

I'm happy to hear this but I imagine the narrative changing from "exclusivity is anti-consumer" to "LOL ES6 exclusive on Xbox take that ponybois".