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How's PS5 in a 1080p display?

marquimvfs

Member
I've been wondering... To this very day, all my TVs are still 1080p, and I'm very happy with them, so I'm not planning an upgrade anytime soon. Anyone here have heard how the PS5 will behave with the "old" full HD format? Is it going to upscale things like the pro? The upscale is automatic or the user have some control over settings on that regard? Is there some info on the matter?

Edit: I'm an idiot. I mean downscale, or supersample.
 
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lachesis

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I think it will super sample the image - which will likely give you sharper image compared to native 1080p.
 

marquimvfs

Member
One, you're an idiot. You're happy with 1080p because you're ignorant of what 4K offers. Do yourself a favor and upgrade one of your TV's asap. 4K is cheap nowadays.

Two, it'll probably offer the same supersampling features of the PS4 pro.
Well, even if they're super cheap wherever you live, here in Brazil things are not the same way. Not that I cannot afford an upgrade, but, I've looked out for it and wasn't happy with the price of the ones that looked actually better than my TVs. It would cost one and a half PS5 to upgrade one of my TVs and the only thing that I think that I'm missing is the HDR. That alone doesn't justify spending more than six grand to buy a god damn LG OLED, upgrading a thing that is working perfectly in every regard, not to mention the burn in that haunts the aforementioned display tech. That said, it's not that I'm blind and can't see the wonders of a new TV, and it's exactly the reason that made me buy a tremendously good TV at the time that it's still better than most of the cheap obscenities that are available at the market today, even if they're 4k.

Edit: I have a 4k monitor (a good one), not for gaming, just work. I know the difference, and it's not intrinsic to IQ itself. The 4k media offer is pretty anemic to my taste, just streaming and a handful of ps4 games.
 

On Demand

Banned
This whole pointless 4K marketing has been a detriment to consoles. Making people think they need new tv’s to enjoy more powerful hardware. We saw it with the mid gen consoles where some were asking is there a point if the tv is 1080p. There’s more to a picture than resolution. That’s always been the case for displays and that’s even more true when it comes to games.
 
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xBlueStonex

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Well, even if they're super cheap wherever you live, here in Brazil things are not the same way. Not that I cannot afford an upgrade, but, I've looked out for it and wasn't happy with the price of the ones that looked actually better than my TVs. It would cost one and a half PS5 to upgrade one of my TVs and the only thing that I think that I'm missing is the HDR. That alone doesn't justify spending more than six grand to buy a god damn LG OLED, upgrading a thing that is working perfectly in every regard, not to mention the burn in that haunts the aforementioned display tech. That said, it's not that I'm blind and can't see the wonders of a new TV, and it's exactly the reason that made me buy a tremendously good TV at the time that it's still better than most of the cheap obscenities that are available at the market today, even if they're 4k.

Edit: I have a 4k monitor (a good one), not for gaming, just work. I know the difference, and it's not intrinsic to IQ itself. The 4k media offer is pretty anemic to my taste, just streaming and a handful of ps4 games.

Your argument would have made sense... 10 years ago. I haven't a clue as to what you're rambling on about. I literally picked up a Samsung 55" 4K TV for $400 a few weeks ago for a spare in my bedroom. It's not OLED, but the picture is stunning and it doesn't come anywhere near the prices your claiming. 4K is incredibly affordable nowadays, it doesn't matter where you're from.

Edit: Just take a look here: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?id=pcat17071&st=55+inch+4k+tv

The vast majority of these 4K TV's are sub $500.
 
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xion4360

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you can snag a tv thats 4k for pretty cheap...if your ok with buying a 400-500 dollar console maybe invest in a tv that can take advantage of it?

it will work fine in 1080P you just wont see the resolution advantage. I dont think sony will build in performance improvements for running games in 1080p (like on pro) because the console and games are designed to run on 4k displays...youll likely just get supersampling.
 

On Demand

Banned
With the power the PS5 is packing - he is absolutely an idiot if he sticks with 1080p this generation. The difference between that and 4K is literally night and day.

If you say so. Idiot.

As you said; "with the power the PS5 is packing"- Regardless of a 4K tv there will be a huge difference. Textures, framerate, graphical details etc. Stop falling for the 4K marketing thinking you need 4K for everything. It's waste of resources more often than not.
 
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xion4360

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At most sitting/viewing distances it's not. The power and graphics will be shown in actual in game objects and details, not pixels.

except games these days have so many particle effects and micro level detail that just would be lost in 1080p...on a large 4k display those small details add up and really make the overall image look so crisp....I mean sure you can play in 1080p and its still beautiful, but you are definitely losing something.
 

Dthomp

Member
Ugh what a noob, just wanting to enjoy his video games and being happy with his setup. What an idiot /s.

You do you OP, I’m in the same boat. I’d like to get a fancy better tv then what I’m rocking, but at the end of the day I’m just happy the game is good, I’m sorry you have people actually calling you names for this, fucking dicks everywhere these days
 
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xBlueStonex

Member
Yikes at some of the responses in this thread. They are completely wrong. I'll say it again - the difference between 1080p and 4K is night and day.

Some of ya'll are still living in 2010.
 
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Pimpbaa

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Downscaling has been very nice in games running on the PS4 Pro for me. But seeing the same system on a friends 4K screen showed me how much detail I was missing. It's going to be even worse for the PS5 since texture resolution should increase dramatically. It won't have any negative effect as far as 1080p displays go, as it will probably be the best possible picture quality possible at that resolution. I just hope ALL games downsample properly with the PS5. On the PS4 Pro you have SOME games that provide no in game downsampling (defaulting to 1080p native) forcing you to use the system wide setting. And that system wide setting kinda sucks if a game isn't 4K native/cb since it upscales to 4k then downscales to 1080p resulting in a blurry image.
 
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Anki

Banned
Please don't buy a cheap 4k tv. Especially if you have a high end 1080p one.

I made that mistake, i have a high end sony 1080p from 2017 and recently decided to buy 4k tv. I bought philips 58” 4k tv on sale for 500euro. After one day of calibration and testing with different source materials i was so underwhelmed with the picture quality that i returned it.
 

teezzy

Banned
One, you're an idiot. You're happy with 1080p because you're ignorant of what 4K offers. Do yourself a favor and upgrade one of your TV's asap. 4K is cheap nowadays.

Two, it'll probably offer the same supersampling features of the PS4 pro.

Oh fuck off

If someone is continuing to have fun with their current set up, then why should they upgrade?
 
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sixamp

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The problem with owning a 4k tv is not having 4k content. Like 10% of video content is still 1080p and that's if you're lucky. I have 1080 p gaming monitored for my pc, 1 1080 p tv and 1 4k tv. 4k does nothing for me, yes it's a cleaner image when the content is available but I'm still find with 1080p.
 
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marquimvfs

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So, even after I said that a DECENT 4k TV here cost more than six thousand Reais (about 1.100,00 U$), some people still come here saying that's super cheap. I tend to value my money, so I won't ever buy a thing based on a single number, a mere specification that won't translate on a immediate jump on quality, and, frankly, that's all 4k TV is about. I simply cannot justify buying a thing that won't be used to it's optimal and won't give a pleasant return, given the already said poor offer of 4k content. What I wanted to know was how the PS5 is going to handle the resolution of my setup, if something was already said about it, officially or not, what I was not seeking was to be evangelized to the saint scripts of holy 4k. Guess I have to wait and see.

Oh, and didn't mentioned that my tv handle 240p extremely well on every input. Extra point for my retro junk when I want to play them on the bigger screen instead of the small CRT that I have for them.
 
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YCoCg

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Hopefully Sony have improved their resolution options and automatic supersampling, we know this is covered on the Xbox side and both Series S and X support it so even playing at 1080p you'll get a downsampled image in "Quality" modes and possibly native high refresh rate 1080p in "Performance".
 

Armorian

Banned
Depending on how many games will offer 1080p performance (60 fps) modes, playing on good 1080p might not be a bad choice (plus supersampling in all other games).
 

Amaranty

Member
One, you're an idiot. You're happy with 1080p because you're ignorant of what 4K offers. Do yourself a favor and upgrade one of your TV's asap. 4K is cheap nowadays.

Two, it'll probably offer the same supersampling features of the PS4 pro.
Cheap 4K TVs are shit and a waste of money for gaming. Don't waste your money if you're not willing to buy at least a medium range 4K TV.
 

Armorian

Banned
Downsampled 4k will still look better than native 1080p. You'll be fine and don't listen to people who recommend cheap 4k. I'd rather have a quality 1080p display than a ghosting 4k crappy one from a supermarket.

Downsampling can almost produce bullshot quality like IQ. Bioshock Infinite 5120x2160 -> 2560x1080

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I think if I changed in game AA (FXAA?) to SMAA it would clean all remaining edges. Still looks fucking amazing in motion.
 

Ulsterman

Neo Member
One, you're an idiot. You're happy with 1080p because you're ignorant of what 4K offers. Do yourself a favor and upgrade one of your TV's asap. 4K is cheap nowadays.

Two, it'll probably offer the same supersampling features of the PS4 pro.

I don't know if you are serious with this comment but 4K offers nothing apart from HDR support in most cases. I have a Samsung ks8000 a good 4K TV but it's nonsense that the 4K aspect is even noticeable compared to a nice Full HD set.
 

IDappa

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If you say so. Idiot.

As you said; "with the power the PS5 is packing"- Regardless of a 4K tv there will be a huge difference. Textures, framerate, graphical details etc. Stop falling for the 4K marketing thinking you need 4K for everything. It's waste of resources more often than not.
Man don't be so dumb, watching/playing something on a 1080p tele compared to a 4k one is like trying to see with mud in your eyes. Shit I upgraded from a 55inch LG Ultra HD tele to a 75inch Samsung QLED which is HDR and my jaw dropped how much I was missing. I knew my UHD tele wasn't as good as a proper 4K panel but I didn't realise how far off I was lol..
 
I will use my 1080p sony from 2014/15, still good picture quality

Logically if tv have been good enough for ps4 = 100% chance it is good enough for PS5

4k isnt that special and hdmi 2.1 features arent game changer either, just nice bonus but lack of them wont ruin it.

I get Sony oled when they get cheaper or I richer. As this current tv probably lasts another 5y, Sony quality is too good
 

vkbest

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PS4 Pro says hello, guys. DMC 5 for example confirmed a 1080p/60fps mode with Raytracing ON

If they allow me to play my games in 1080p at 120fps that's all I would use for my multiplayer sessions.

That depends from developers. For example DMC 5, new COD, and Dirt 5 will have a 4k/120fps mode.
 
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GymWolf

Member
I don't know how the scaling work on ps5, but pc gaming at 1080p on a 4k oled tv is mediocre at best in most cases.
 

Saruhashi

Banned
Your argument would have made sense... 10 years ago. I haven't a clue as to what you're rambling on about. I literally picked up a Samsung 55" 4K TV for $400 a few weeks ago for a spare in my bedroom. It's not OLED, but the picture is stunning and it doesn't come anywhere near the prices your claiming. 4K is incredibly affordable nowadays, it doesn't matter where you're from.

Edit: Just take a look here: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?id=pcat17071&st=55+inch+4k+tv

The vast majority of these 4K TV's are sub $500.

Hahahahahaha!
They are sub 500 because they are fucking shite.

The OP is quite right. If you are happy with your current set up then no need to change.

Man, I could see your point if you were talking about proper high end TVs that will give you the best of the best experience.
A proper serious upgrade.

You're talking about the low end of the scale here. 400 bucks. OK. So a pretty shite 4k TV then. Great.

Then to top it off you think the OP is an idiot for not needlessly chucking 400 bucks on a piece of shit TV when their current set up is working out just fine.
 

HTK

Banned
PS4 Pro says hello, guys. DMC 5 for example confirmed a 1080p/60fps mode with Raytracing ON



That depends from developers. For example DMC 5, new COD, and Dirt 5 will have a 4k/120fps mode.

Even better if true. Haven't seen any performance analysis on Cold War in 4k/120 looking forward to it.
 

Allandor

Member
I really hope it renders the UI natively @1080p and downscales the rest from up to 4k.
With 4k games we got so tiny screen-elements in the UI, it would really not look good if this is just downscaled.

Btw, I hope the same for xbox.
 
One, you're an idiot. You're happy with 1080p because you're ignorant of what 4K offers. Do yourself a favor and upgrade one of your TV's asap. 4K is cheap nowadays.

Two, it'll probably offer the same supersampling features of the PS4 pro.

A good 1080 TV is better than a cheap 4K one.

Especially when most of the content you're watching is 1080. There hasn't been enough 4K content released so in most cases you'd be worse off.
 

teezzy

Banned
I've had friends with cheapest 4k TVs compliment the picture quality of my 46" 1080p Sharp Aquous and ask me if it was 4k.

I'm not saying it surpasses 4k in any sense but this has legiterally happened more than once.
 

Amaranty

Member
I don't know how the scaling work on ps5, but pc gaming at 1080p on a 4k oled tv is mediocre at best in most cases.
Doesn't the TV do its own upscaling or is it different if a PC is hooked up. I can't remember correctly but I think on my old AMD GPU I was able to choose if I want my display or GPU to upscale. Some TVs do it better than others of course. Sony TVs are usually praised for quality upscaling.
 
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