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Nvidia RTX 30XX |OT|

Rikkori

Member
Alright dude. No need to get cheeky. Yes I'm wrong about the bandwidth between the mobo/gpu but your worries about the amount of VRAM is armchair engineering. I researched it a bit more and let me tell you why your concerns are misplaced.

We've had cards for years with 10-12 gigabytes of VRAM and they couldn't do 4k gaming. Clearly that means the bottlenecks are not amount of VRAM but in other limiting factors: Memory bandwidth between VRAM <-> ROPs and ROP perf. Ampere has significant boosts in both these areas.

Yes your AMD Big Navi might have 16 GB of VRAM but that's because they couldn't get GDDR6X and so they hide their bandwidth shortfalls by playing with memory bank configurations. Does that mean you need 16 GB for 4k gaming. No.

Now let's try to think as a developer. Do you think they're throwing up 10+ GB of textures every 60 frames? IDK. My hunch is probably not because most people can't afford cards with that much memory and devs are usually not targeting the latest and greatest.
It just gets boring because I already know it's a pointless argument. Happens every generation, always with the same result: people stick to their "side" & after a few years the facts bear out a simple fact - you always want more vram. Then I bring in examples of situations where vram is a limiting factor WITHOUT having tanked your performance (because ofc there's things you can do with vram that won't destory performance but do improve quality solely at the cost of vram - eg textures, image streaming, etc) by doing something stupid like play at 8K with 10 fps or whatever (eg: wolfenstein 2 uber image streaming, minecraft rtx chunks at 24, hbcc on/off tests to validate memory requirements >8 GB, Doom Eternal req>8GB etc etc), then that gets spun like it's not representative or it's a fluke or bla bla, "compression will make up for it", "ssds will make up for it", "the magic tooth fairy will make up for it" and so on and so forth. Then id's lead engine developer goes on record and says "yo, vram is dope, 8 GB is barely minimum anymore, don't skimp on it!" but somehow he doesn't know enough or whatever.

And of course, what's the point in bringing AMD into it unless you're just looking for flame wars thinking I care about them? I really don't give a shit, I don't empathise with corporations.

At the end of the day it's still irrelevant. You're not gonna change your mind, I'm still gonna buy a 3080 and game+mine the shit out of it, and 10 GB will still be pitiful and no one will remember it and it will all happen again as it has before (0.5 vs 1, 2 vs 3/4 gb, 4/6gb vs 8gb, and now).

Worst of all, within 2 months people will pretend like these arguments never even took place when Ampere gets 16GB & 20 GB variants, and RDNA goes for 16 GB as well, then the value of extra vram will be taken for granted like it was just 'common sense'.
 
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FireFly

Member
Now let's try to think as a developer. Do you think they're throwing up 10+ GB of textures every 60 frames? IDK. My hunch is probably not because most people can't afford cards with that much memory and devs are usually not targeting the latest and greatest.
The XSX has 10 GB of fast memory developers will be targeting, and it's reasonable to expect that on the PC we will have options for higher texture fidelity. On the XSX developers will be using the Sampler Feedback Streaming feature to increase the "effective size" of the memory pool, but we don't know what the situation will be like on PC. Given that Doom Eternal is already running into performance limitations with 8 GB, an extra 2 GB isn't much leeway over the course of an entire generation.

Is this really that much different to the Fury X shipping with 4 GB in 2015? At the time, AMD were arguing that even at 4K games weren't exceeding the 4 GB limit.
 
Say I wanted to upgrade my 2070 to a 3080, would the rest of my PC be up to the task? I know I'll need a beefier PSU but would everything else still be OK?

I7 8700k
32gb Corsair vengeance 3200
AIO CPU cooler
MSI Z370-A Pro motherboard
650w PSU

Help appreciated.
 

J3nga

Member
Say I wanted to upgrade my 2070 to a 3080, would the rest of my PC be up to the task? I know I'll need a beefier PSU but would everything else still be OK?

I7 8700k
32gb Corsair vengeance 3200
AIO CPU cooler
MSI Z370-A Pro motherboard
650w PSU

Help appreciated.
You're fine with that setup, charts I've seen running 3950x didn't draw more than total of 500+ watts.
 
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Say I wanted to upgrade my 2070 to a 3080, would the rest of my PC be up to the task? I know I'll need a beefier PSU but would everything else still be OK?

I7 8700k
32gb Corsair vengeance 3200
AIO CPU cooler
MSI Z370-A Pro motherboard
650w PSU

Help appreciated.
It's helpful to post the exact model of the PSU as they are not created equal. Also what kind of monitor (resolution/refresh rate) are you using.
 
Thanks guys, that's good news. Was half expecting needing a new mb or Cpu but that's good. Gonna hold off on the new consoles for a while. Sony have soured my piss with their game pricing so I'm gonna give it a while and jump in when they drop a bit and there are games other than Demon's Souls that I want.
 

Myths

Member
So there’s a 20GB version of the 3080... choosing has never been so difficult. Waiting has never been so exhausting.
 

nemiroff

Gold Member
The VRAM thing again..

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We're up to our elbows in alligators here, time to drain the swamp and show some scientific evidence. If I see one more knee-jerk notion linked to memory allocation I'm going to flip the fuk out.
 
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BluRayHiDef

Banned
So there’s a 20GB version of the 3080... choosing has never been so difficult. Waiting has never been so exhausting.
Source? Also, if you definitely don't want an RTX 3090, then the choice is easy: wait for the 20GB version of the RTX 3080 or wait for the 3080Ti.
 

Myths

Member
Source? Also, if you definitely don't want an RTX 3090, then the choice is easy: wait for the 20GB version of the RTX 3080 or wait for the 3080Ti.
It's just some rumor. Forget it. If it were true, I'm thinking it would just be called the latter unless there's something else other than more V-RAM that constitutes the "Ti" branding.
 
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Rickyiez

Member
Alright dude. No need to get cheeky. Yes I'm wrong about the bandwidth between the mobo/gpu but your worries about the amount of VRAM is armchair engineering. I researched it a bit more and let me tell you why your concerns are misplaced.

We've had cards for years with 10-12 gigabytes of VRAM and they couldn't do 4k gaming. Clearly that means the bottlenecks are not amount of VRAM but in other limiting factors: Memory bandwidth between VRAM <-> ROPs and ROP perf. Ampere has significant boosts in both these areas.

Yes your AMD Big Navi might have 16 GB of VRAM but that's because they couldn't get GDDR6X and so they hide their bandwidth shortfalls by playing with memory bank configurations. Does that mean you need 16 GB for 4k gaming. No.

Now let's try to think as a developer. Do you think they're throwing up 10+ GB of textures every 60 frames? IDK. My hunch is probably not because most people can't afford cards with that much memory and devs are usually not targeting the latest and greatest.

I've the same hunch as well . In the bigger picture 3 years forward , if the 10GB RTX3080 can only run Battlefield 12345678 at 30FPS 4k Ray tracing on , a 16GB RTX3080 will not be able to magically run it more for more than 40fps either . It's an upgrade due either way
 

Ascend

Member
I feel like when I'm driving and seeing a bunch of lines of people waiting to enter a store just so they can get the new iPhone first.
 

Rygeist

Banned
Newegg is literally shitting the bed. They've released 3 of the cards I wanted at different times throughout the morning and by the time I get to checkout its removed.

They weren't kidding about low supply. Ridiculous. No way in hell I'll get a EVGA or MSI card. I'm honestly not gonna trip if I don't get one. It's a battle againt bots and scalpers.
 

Chiggs

Member
Newegg is literally shitting the bed. They've released 3 of the cards I wanted at different times throughout the morning and by the time I get to checkout its removed.

They weren't kidding about low supply. Ridiculous. No way in hell I'll get a EVGA or MSI card. I'm honestly not gonna trip if I don't get one. It's a battle againt bots and scalpers.

They're actually not officially doing anything until 6am PT.
 

waylo

Banned
Yeah, those random times when you can add cards to your cart and seemingly checkout on Newegg have all been someone there just fucking with us. Pretty sure every order has been voided.

Good luck my brothers and sisters. 22 minutes until meltdown and 99% of us get fucked.
 

Rygeist

Banned
Yeah, those random times when you can add cards to your cart and seemingly checkout on Newegg have all been someone there just fucking with us. Pretty sure every order has been voided.

Good luck my brothers and sisters. 22 minutes until meltdown and 99% of us get fucked.

Exactly. People on Reddit are saying they added them to their carts, but I don't think they realize that those orders may go away. It's best to just be online for the duration.
 

Ultradsa

Member
I failed to nab a PS5 so i'm really hoping I can at least get a 3080! The Asus cards seem to have the best config with the 2 HDMI's while everyone else only has one so that's my target.
 

GHG

Member
Everything is "out of stock" or "coming soon" on newegg.

It's not happening is it... I only want an EVGA card as well.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
gonna pass on the 3080.

the performance is fantastic from the benchmarks and would be a decent upgrade for me but they've really fucked themselves over with only 10GB VRAM. that's a huge NOPE for me. we already have games using 9GB and recommending 11GB. 10GB just ain't gonna cut it.

i'll wait for the 3090 or if it comes to it the new AMD cards. i need 16GB at the absolute minimum for a card i want to keep for more than 1-2 years and which costs £600+

the 3070 should have 10-11GB. the 3080 should have 16-20GB.
 
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waylo

Banned
Exactly. People on Reddit are saying they added them to their carts, but I don't think they realize that those orders may go away. It's best to just be online for the duration.
I got one added to my cart multiple times only for it to get removed when confirming payment. Actually thought it was going to let me order that Ventus this morning, but then the site took a shit.

From what I've seen, I'm kinda glad it didnt go through. Seen a couple people say their orders were voided and then Newegg suspended their account. Not sure if it's because they tried to purchase multiple times leading to multiple voids or what, but that would definitely suck.
 

Ultradsa

Member
Not that it's that important but why is every card so ugly looking? The Asus is ok but damn every card is fugly as all hell.
 
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Rygeist

Banned
I got one added to my cart multiple times only for it to get removed when confirming payment. Actually thought it was going to let me order that Ventus this morning, but then the site took a shit.

From what I've seen, I'm kinda glad it didnt go through. Seen a couple people say their orders were voided and then Newegg suspended their account. Not sure if it's because they tried to purchase multiple times leading to multiple voids or what, but that would definitely suck.

Honestly, I've got Newegg and Best Buy on lockdown. I advise anyone to use either of the two because they were both updated on the dot during the 2000 series launch. For me anyway.
 

waylo

Banned
Honestly, I've got Newegg and Best Buy on lockdown. I advise anyone to use either of the two because they were both updated on the dot during the 2000 series launch. For me anyway.
Amazon, Newegg, Best Buy, and Nvidia all open, ready for disappointment.
 

GHG

Member
Not that it's that important but why is every card so ugly looking? The Asus is ok but damn every card is fugly as all hell.

Yeh the Asus Tuf is the only ok looking card IMO but their warranty sucks arse for international orders.

I'm probably gonna get the evga xc, check it works then take it back out and do something about the red accents. If the backplate is easy to remove then it's time for some masking tape and a can of spray.
 
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