FunkMiller
Gold Member
Looks like. I’m sat here thinking about it, and I can’t even be angry. They just played us all like fiddles.
Both companies are pretty much doing the same thing. We’ve all been arguing over nothing.
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Looks like. I’m sat here thinking about it, and I can’t even be angry. They just played us all like fiddles.
Both companies are pretty much doing the same thing. We’ve all been arguing over nothing.
Killer Sakoman
Member
They really need to say it now and let us save that 500 and add another 300 for one of those green monsters.I don't like Sony supporting PS4.
It's clearly follow-up to MS being consumer friendly.
So basically what MS did for this gen is :
-low consoles prices
-being held back for whole generation by XSS and by old gen on launch on both consoles...
-No exclusives - making PC ultimate gaming machine
If GOW2 gonna hit PC, i will just buy PC.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Not at all. Sony was not trying to mandate that everything run on both PS4 and PS5. Not like Microsoft was, not at all. Supporting your existing generation hardware with some games still is not a bad thing. It's about making money. That is FAR different from trying to say that everything that comes out on the PS5 will be on PS4.
Completely different things. Anyone who thought that nothing would be available on PS4 or on Xbox One for that matter, was smoking crack. Generations never switch like a.....light switch.
saintjules
Member
German stores taking pre-orders now
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HawarMiran
Banned
Do you have to pay when it is shipped or you already had to pay?Thanks
Ordered one
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Back to your conjecture and certain narrative.
I never once said I knew that was happening I was just pointing out you were mistaken (again) and was driving a certain agenda
Killer Sakoman
Member
I was definitely going to pre order but they just paralyzed my hand from clicking on that pre order. They killed my hype with that Demon's Soul PC and cross Gen.
Mr Moose
Member
Halo looks like shit, not even a good looking current gen game.
You can use it on PS5 for PS4 games.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
I was thinking the exact same thing, the experience for cross gen games on the PS5 will be significantly improved, better graphics/resolutions, little to none load times. Dualsense controller with adaptive triggers and and haptics. I could go on but I will say that I personally want the best experience which I believe will be on the PS5.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Looks like. I’m sat here thinking about it, and I can’t even be angry. They just played us all like fiddles.
Both companies are pretty much doing the same thing. We’ve all been arguing over nothing.
At least you can admit it.
saintjules
Member
Exactly. Good costs all around. Hoping Eric and Jim Ryan are right on people actually being able to get one if they want the Consoles and accessories.
HawarMiran
Banned
buy and sell it. that is what I am doing.
Vae_Victis
Banned
All in all, I think the choice to release PS5 games on PS4 is a consequence of that to release on PC. If you are creating a game knowing it has to run on a vast array of PC configurations in 2020, it makes sense you could also make it work on a PS4 somehow.
I'm not so convinced this is an intelligent path to take going forward. It makes a degree of sense now, where PS5 still offers a much higher price-performance offer than any PC you could possibly assemble. No, most people won't "just buy a 3080", because a 3080 alone costs 1.5 times a PS5, and you need at least as much more money to really start going anywhere. So the prospect of buying a PS5 for as low as $400 to experience the best version of newer games (or as close as reasonably possible) is still going to work wonders for Sony in the grand scheme of things.
But what happens 3-4 years down the line, when you can build a PC that is just as good as a PS5 for a price that is at least comparable, and Sony ends up with no true exclusives? They must have thought of that of course, so what do they plan? To make up for that with service fees? Expand PS+ to PC? Make some adjustments to PS Now to make it more mainstream?
I'm not so convinced this is an intelligent path to take going forward. It makes a degree of sense now, where PS5 still offers a much higher price-performance offer than any PC you could possibly assemble. No, most people won't "just buy a 3080", because a 3080 alone costs 1.5 times a PS5, and you need at least as much more money to really start going anywhere. So the prospect of buying a PS5 for as low as $400 to experience the best version of newer games (or as close as reasonably possible) is still going to work wonders for Sony in the grand scheme of things.
But what happens 3-4 years down the line, when you can build a PC that is just as good as a PS5 for a price that is at least comparable, and Sony ends up with no true exclusives? They must have thought of that of course, so what do they plan? To make up for that with service fees? Expand PS+ to PC? Make some adjustments to PS Now to make it more mainstream?
existensmaximum
Member
I'm insanely disappointed that Horizon is cross gen. No way the gameplay will look anywhere near as good as the footage in the trailer. So much wasted potential.
Andodalf
Banned
So I can use it on Spider-Man Miles Morales on PS5 if I play a version that looks worse and plays the same? That's some big brain shit.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, they are looking pretty good right about now. demon Souls going to PC on day one is not surprising at all. i called it months ago. I knew herman hurst was lying because i had found a similar tweet of Phil denying other xbox games would come to PC when he first announced Gears 5. They all lie.So, how’s about them new Nvidia cards, eh?
I was cancelled here for saying this. I was told it would take 3-4 years before sony ported their games to PC. sure.....
Im buying an rtx 3080 tomorrow. Fuck this gen. Fuck this hobby too. 7 years, 7 years they had to prepare and they couldnt make next gen games. this basically means this gen would be 9-10 years long. thanks but no thanks. time to move on and find another hobby. that 3080 is gonna be held back by these bizarre ps4 games anyway.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
So, how’s about them new Nvidia cards, eh?
Cant wait 100% in on a 3080 built machine
Metroiddarks
Member
Being a cheerleader for a company that doesn't give a shit about you must suck. Man if Sony did things we criticized on Xbox is not in order
to celebrate Xbox, to the contrary is for re think for what other reason this new gen of consoles will exists if they cannot give us something
different than a PC or even the last gen.
So if you do not need to see an improvement in graphics right now, stay with your current console or PC.
If you can spend more than 1000 USD on a PC, build a PC apparently Sony will end up killing the exclusive IP as Xbox did and with this much of the
reason of why consoles exists.
If you can not spend that much but still want to jump buy a PS5 unlike Xbox this one if it has games for the next 12 months that take advantage of
the hardware in a decent way.
This conference ended with a semi bitter taste to me.
If you love the stream is fine always you cannot build a PC with at least a 3070 if you think this puts the XSX/XSS in the best position which doesn't
has any big next gen game for the next year, well my friend everyone can kill themselves with the poison they prefer.
The consoles should be more than an upgrade in graphics for a game available in last gen or an affordable PC.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Nice try but I didn't say any of those and neither does it prove Sony's plans on releasing first party exclusives to PC on a consistent basis.
Mr Moose
Member
Wait where was this price announced? I'll be picking up the headset it seems. Did it mention the camera?
MISTER INVEIGLER
Member
"Buy our new consoles we don't have any games but you know, 4K !!!"
also
"We'll charge $70 now for the suckers that buy the digital version"
also
"We'll charge $70 now for the suckers that buy the digital version"
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Oh fuck yeah. This isn’t something that can be denied!
Both Sony and Microsoft are making all their games cross gen for that sweet, sweet last gen cash. AMAZING
I‘m just stoked Demon’s Souls is launch. I don’t care about much else right now. That’s all I need to pre order a Ps5........ probably.
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kyliethicc
Member
So looks like GT7 is fall 2021. By its absence from today.
Ratchet, GT7, Destruction Allstars, and I assume GoW2 are the only Sony PS5 exclusives so far.
HFW, Spider-Miles, Sackboy, all cross gen.
I expected Miles and Sackboy to be cross, but I bet Horizon 2 was a PS4 game that took too long and got pushed to cross gen. Meh oh well. Still fun, but meh. If its as good or better than Ghost of Tsushima and HZD, cool cool.
Fewer and fewer games to truly sell their hardware though. Seems like only Nintendo really gets it.
Ratchet, GT7, Destruction Allstars, and I assume GoW2 are the only Sony PS5 exclusives so far.
HFW, Spider-Miles, Sackboy, all cross gen.
I expected Miles and Sackboy to be cross, but I bet Horizon 2 was a PS4 game that took too long and got pushed to cross gen. Meh oh well. Still fun, but meh. If its as good or better than Ghost of Tsushima and HZD, cool cool.
Fewer and fewer games to truly sell their hardware though. Seems like only Nintendo really gets it.
Randy_Lahey
Banned
80 Euros for games is just absurd, its 94 USD lol
Chun Swae
Banned
Yep, console gaming just feels so pointless to me now if you can get everything probably cheaper elsewhere. Not exciting anymore
saintjules
Member
jose4gg
Member
I expect those games to be able to use DS4...
aclar00
Member
I'd say it was a 6/10, and probably drops to a 5 for me now that Horizon is cross-gen. My expectations were a bit too high for the new Gen. I expected too much for the lauch window (or even first year), even though ive been around enough to know the first batch of games never really like that spectacular.
Also, i want the disc version, but not $500...sad i am. lol. Def cheaper than the 60GB PS3 i got at launch.
Also, i want the disc version, but not $500...sad i am. lol. Def cheaper than the 60GB PS3 i got at launch.
thebigmanjosh
Gold Member
Right there with you. If Demon's Souls is on PC at launch I will probably hold off on PS5 until next year.
I have a $400 car registration (thanks CA) and girlfriend's birthday/Christmas coming up in December, so I'm not going to spend that $500 if there's no immediate reason to.
tmlDan
Member
What a drama queen lol
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Okay so this was a very weird day, console prices and preorder dates were on point. The show itself was short but we saw a lot of cool stuff. Demon's Souls might be the best looking next gen so far. The launch line up is very solid IMO. But $70 games? Horizon cross gen? that's disappointing, there goes the dream of having flying mounts in the game.
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kyliethicc
Member
$60 for camera.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
tmlDan
Member
They apparently took down the demon souls trailer likely to remove PC.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Huh? Microsoft made no such mandate... and just said they plan on supporting last-gen with their 1st party for 1-2 years.
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BoxFresh123
Member
Are there any details on the PlayStation Plus Collection games getting enhancements or upgrades?
Andodalf
Banned
So you can Play Horizon Forbidden West with a DS4 on PS5..... in Backwards comparability.
Same game with better graphics and they say no.
martino
Member
but we are not most people
let's be honest there more than enought people (i think majority by far) who don't want to play on pc for multiple reasons
TheAssist
Member
Well I guess the reason for the games being cross gen is that the engines are still modified current gen engines. They are basically scaled up to work on PS5/series X and within a few years when new engines are coded that take full advantage of the systems they will drop the cross gen stuff.
We will see what dev can take the most advantage of next gen systems while also delivering a decent current gen port. I guess Sony studios have it a little easier with "coding closer to the metal" and having a stronger base to start with
We will see what dev can take the most advantage of next gen systems while also delivering a decent current gen port. I guess Sony studios have it a little easier with "coding closer to the metal" and having a stronger base to start with
RaZoR No1
Member
Media Markt already booked the money and I payed by PayPal.
kyliethicc
Member
So Sony is basically saying we believe in generations of hardware, but the next gen games don't start til a year or two later.
Greedy and bad for pushing hardware.
Greedy and bad for pushing hardware.
Chun Swae
Banned
I'm at this point too. If Sony were smart they could've made these game for the PS5 ONLY and made it streamable to PS4's via PSNOW. It wouldn't hold back PS5 and they'd get more PSNOW subs. But Sony have been shown to be literal retards.
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