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Should Phil Spencer be replaced at the head of Xbox?

Punished Miku

Gold Member
So if being "UNLEASHED" means he got his promotion, it was in 2017, which would now make it nearly 3 years since his last promotion. Fits snugly in your timeline for us to start seeing results - and what do we have?

June 1, 2017

Described as "Netflix for video games", the Xbox Game Pass grants users access to a catalog of games from a range of publishers for a single monthly subscription price. The service was launched on June 1, 2017 while Xbox Live Gold subscribers received priority access on May 24.
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He doesn't make games. I think if you want to judge an executive at the very top, you should look at him delivering on things he is actually in charge of.

He delivered multiple new studios. He delivered Gamepass. He delivered a powerful new system.

It sucks that Xbox first party is still floundering, but by all accounts they have funding to make whatever they want. He doesn't actually manage the development of the games. I'd look at the people that do though.
He's still ultimately in charge of the games they choose to make and the way the studios are managed, both of which, particularly in light of Halo and now Fable, has been a total shit show under his watch.

Buying more studios at this point is just adding more games that are likely going to be utterly mishandled as well.

While I'm at it, Gamepass has further eroded any pressing need tbwy seemed to have felt to produce good games, threatens to devalue gaming generally, and leads us towards the same shitty situation TV and Movie subscription services have become. It might be cheap now, but you have to be an utter fucktard not to look at where every other form of media has ended up with it and see it's inevitable shitty future should it take off.

As for hardware, yeah, the XSX is great. Shame the XSS and decision to make all games multiplatform will make that power completely fucking pointless and further complicated and undermine their first party development.

All that power means absolutely fuck all, because they simply cannot make games as good as Playstation will, thanks to their studios only having one target to aim for.
 

GHG

Gold Member
yea and people hated it and sold like nothing im sure if xbox made DS people would still complain.

Was top seller on Steam for a few weeks:


Currently at over 500k owners on Steam with 93% positive reviews:


There's not a single first party Xbox Studios game on Steam that has a better user score:


I think it would have been appreciated.
 
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jimbojim

Banned
He's not producing anything. He's managing and organizing resources given to him by Microsoft.

He had very little to work with until 2018, when Microsoft took the leash off him.

Games take longer than 2-3 years to produce. You begin judging him in 2021/2022, not today.

But again, everyone here already knows this. Sony fanboys are concern trolling.

He took the whole Xbox during 2014 when Nadella was made CEO. Oh, yes, he had a plenty of time since then. But looks like it is incompetency of his.

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spons

Gold Member
You don't put someone "friendly" in a fucking leadership position. You need someone with the balls to radically turn things around when needed. Playstation is so goddamn popular in Europe and all of it happened under Ryan with only a couple of Japanese higher-ups. Yes, he has a ludicrous stance on backwards compatibility, but you can't say he cannot run (parts of) a company. I truly believe Playstation wil thrive under his auspices.

And then there's fucking Phil Spencer, a real gamer and a true bro. The polar opposite of Jim. He should ditch half the marketing team, including Aaron Greenberg. The marketing is so goddamn American, it's never going to succeed elsewhere.
 

Pejo

Member

June 1, 2017

Described as "Netflix for video games", the Xbox Game Pass grants users access to a catalog of games from a range of publishers for a single monthly subscription price. The service was launched on June 1, 2017 while Xbox Live Gold subscribers received priority access on May 24.
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So 5 purchases and a service? I'm not saying that Gamepass is bad or that the purchase of studios isn't a good thing, but where are the things that matter like actual games? I will go ahead and give you that Outer Worlds was well received and pretty favorable, but that was already being worked on before the Obsidian acquisition, so you can't even give that one to Phil.
 

VALCON 82

Member
In retrospective.. Shawn Layden kind of inherited the fountain of youth that is the PS4 (it only prints money for Sony) and he still walked away/ was pushed out when ps4 was doing just fine if not playing whack a mole to everything MS could throw at it.
Honestly ( and I mean this in the most objective sense possible) I can see Phil being gone/replaced by end of 2021.. kind of like Trenton and House bowing out with Ps4
 

Pejo

Member
In retrospective.. Shawn Layden kind of inherited the fountain of youth that is the PS4 (it only prints money for Sony) and he still walked away/ was pushed out when ps4 was doing just fine if not playing whack a mole to everything MS could throw at it.
Honestly ( and I mean this in the most objective sense possible) I can see Phil being gone/replaced by end of 2021.. kind of like Trenton and House bowing out with Ps4
I don't think I've seen a less likable person than Layden shoved out into the public so often. He might be a nice man, but he had the look and feel of a car salesman mixed in with a lawyer and cocaine dealer.
 
He's not a coder at 343. He's making very broad, large scale decisions.

He's basically the guy that made MS refocus on making games, made multiple smart purchases of new studios, made Gamepass a focus with all first party games on day one, made backwards compatibility a focus. He's giving all the studios very large budgets. He's possibly funded the more powerful of the two consoles.

I still don't see anything he's actually doing wrong. It takes a long time to build top tier studios. If anyone should be in the hot seat, it's the head of 343, or the head of Xbox Games Studios development as a whole.
In 2013 alone, Don released more games than Phill.
 

Pejo

Member
Don't you remember Microsoft buying like 6 new studios in 2018? Of course you do.
Sure ok - but where's the proof that Phil was gnawing at the gate for Master Nadella to open the cage, remove the nuzzle, and hand him the company credit card? Like what proof do you have that he was hamstrung until that exact moment?
 

Dr Bass

Member
He's not producing anything. He's managing and organizing resources given to him by Microsoft.

He had very little to work with until 2018, when Microsoft took the leash off him.

Games take longer than 2-3 years to produce. You begin judging him in 2021/2022, not today.

But again, everyone here already knows this. Sony fanboys are concern trolling.

Wow, what a load of horse crud. He is in charge of Xbox. Of course the responsibility falls to him on what is being released for the platform and he got started in 2014! Day one he should have been laying the course for new releases to hit 2-3 years out from that point. Which means the rewards should have been able to be reaped starting way back in 2016, or 2017 at the latest. Now he had a "leash" from Microsoft that was stopping him? A leash on the head of the division??

So now you're saying that because games take 2-3 years to develop, but he was off the leash in 2018, we can't start judging until 2021-2022? Two years from 2018 is .... 2020 my man, NOT 2022. So even by your completely random and misguided metrics we should still be judging their output now!

With the latest news people who actually want Xbox to be good (like myself) instead of just defending a brand they like, should be really worried. There are basically no games coming. Stop using The Medium and Scorn. Go look at Scorn gameplay videos on YouTube and see where that looks like it's going to fall quality wise. And Phil is out there saying this they are crushing it basically.

Here is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand. People and organizations don't just "change" for the better. They are not victims of circumstance. It starts with leadership and goes from there. You need the right people from the beginning. Phil's output is not going to just radically take a different course.

We've had seven years of Phil Spencer. We know what Xbox is like under his leadership. It's a known entity at this point. You either think he's the right man for the job based on nearly a decade of evidence, or he needs to go.

In my opinion, the answer couldn't be more clear what needs to happen.
 

VALCON 82

Member
I don't think I've seen a less likable person than Layden shoved out into the public so often. He might be a nice man, but he had the look and feel of a car salesman mixed in with a lawyer and cocaine dealer.
No arguments here.. just looking at the positions from a top down view with successes. Phil has changed the perception of Xbox gaming with GP and the like.. and Shawn/House could literally ask top Sony brass which currency they wanted to take a bath in that night and scrubadub dub Swiss francs in a tub

edit: I feel like every executive really only gets a finite amount of time before they move on or are forced to do so.. regardless of success or complacencies
 
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Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
I don't think I've seen a less likable person than Layden shoved out into the public so often. He might be a nice man, but he had the look and feel of a car salesman mixed in with a lawyer and cocaine dealer.

Shuehei Yoshida should be the face of PlayStation. Sony seems to get James Bond villains as PR for some reason.
 
For reference Kaz Hirai took over as CEO of Sony in 2012 and turned the entire company around.....(retired in 2018)
Sony stock was at 18 dollars per share when he took over. Now it's worth nearly 80 dollars a share and the company hit 100 billion market cap recently.

It shouldn't be this hard for Xbox to get a few good games out....
Do you suggest to promote Phil to be CEO of Microsoft. Then, windows 11 will be shown and it will look like Windows 3.1 😂 with Windows Pass
 
hey while were at since phil failed xbox in a time span of 6
He's still ultimately in charge of the games they choose to make and the way the studios are managed, both of which, particularly in light of Halo and now Fable, has been a total shit show under his watch.

Buying more studios at this point is just adding more games that are likely going to be utterly mishandled as well.

While I'm at it, Gamepass has further eroded any pressing need tbwy seemed to have felt to produce good games, threatens to devalue gaming generally, and leads us towards the same shitty situation TV and Movie subscription services have become. It might be cheap now, but you have to be an utter fucktard not to look at where every other form of media has ended up with it and see it's inevitable shitty future should it take off.

As for hardware, yeah, the XSX is great. Shame the XSS and decision to make all games multiplatform will make that power completely fucking pointless and further complicated and undermine their first party development.

All that power means absolutely fuck all, because they simply cannot make games as good as Playstation will, thanks to their studios only having one target to aim for.
He's still ultimately in charge of the games they choose to make and the way the studios are managed, both of which, particularly in light of Halo and now Fable, has been a total shit show under his watch.
He still has to go through MS you think MS just is like here's xxxxxxx amount of money and credit lines have fun. Fable had to be rooted Peter Molyneux left and the dev team right after and bungie got sold off and left under don it wasnt like phil had a full dev team for either ips.
Buying more studios at this point is just adding more games that are likely going to be utterly mishandled as well.
few year back: MS has no studios they keep pushing for tv,tv,tv why own a xbox.
few years later: MS buys independent studios with low end ips or game engine's to there name meaning they will take time to craft and build.
- WTF MS why arent these games coming out in a years time.
While I'm at it, Gamepass has further eroded any pressing need tbwy seemed to have felt to produce good games, threatens to devalue gaming generally, and leads us towards the same shitty situation TV and Movie subscription services have become.
A game rental service like netflix and hulu if i want star wars on 4k blue ray what this I can still buy it wow hold on DMC5 is on gamepass whats that I can still buy it at rental no way how can a rental service and a product service exist at the same time.
It might be cheap now, but you have to be an utter fucktard not to look at where every other form of media has ended up with it and see it's inevitable shitty future should it take off.
yea for the low low price i can pay $7-15 and watch any move,tv or anime I want what a deal breaker.
As for hardware, yeah, the XSX is great. Shame the XSS and decision to make all games multiplatform will make that power completely fucking pointless and further complicated and undermine their first party development.
more third party games come out then 1st party you can beat 90% of the ps4 1st party catalog in a years time and thats going from 2013 to now good luck beating half of the third party games in that have came out since then till now in that time frame.
All that power means absolutely fuck all, because they simply cannot make games as good as Playstation will, thanks to their studios only having one target to aim for.
then dont an xbox then if you hate there business model and just want to play cinematic third person action games its like a pc gamer saying he wont get a console because he likes mouse and keyboard cool enjoy yourself no one is loosing sleep over you not getting a xbox.
 
Was top seller on Steam for a few weeks:


Currently at over 500k owners on Steam with 93% positive reviews:


There's not a single first party Xbox Studios game on Steam that has a better user score:


I think it would have been appreciated.
you literally just proved my point LOL
 

Hestar69

Member
I'd give him next console gen to turn it around. But man,The xbox series X lineup is AWFUL. not that sony's is any better if you played spiderman on ps4. Phil seems to have xbox in the right direction,I just hope the games these stuidos are working on aren't duds like most xbox one exclusives were(Sunset overdrive still the systems best game IMO(
 

VALCON 82

Member
hey while were at since phil failed xbox in a time span of 6


He still has to go through MS you think MS just is like here's xxxxxxx amount of money and credit lines have fun. Fable had to be rooted Peter Molyneux left and the dev team right after and bungie got soand left under don it wasnt like phil had a full dev team for either ips.

few year back: MS has no studios they keep pushing for tv,tv,tv why own a xbox.
few years later: MS buys independent studios with low end ips or game engine's to there name meaning they will take time to craft and build.
- WTF MS why arent these games coming out in a years time.

A game rental service like netflix and hulu if i want star wars on 4k blue ray what this I can still buy it wow hold on DMC5 is on gamepass whats that I can still buy it at rental no way how can a rental service and a product service exist at the same time.

yea for the low low price i can pay $7-15 and watch any move,tv or anime I want what a deal breaker.

more third party games come out then 1st party you can beat 90% of the ps4 1st party catalog in a years time and thats going from 2013 to now good luck beating half of the third party games in that have came out since then till now in that time frame.

then dont an xbox then if you hate there business model and just want to play cinematic third person action games its like a pc gamer saying he wont get a console because he likes mouse and keyboard cool enjoy yourself no one is loosing sleep over you not getting a xbox.
 
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VALCON 82

Member
hey while were at since phil failed xbox in a time span of 6


He still has to go through MS you think MS just is like here's xxxxxxx amount of money and credit lines have fun. Fable had to be rooted Peter Molyneux left and the dev team right after and bungie got sold off and left under don it wasnt like phil had a full dev team for either ips.

few year back: MS has no studios they keep pushing for tv,tv,tv why own a xbox.
few years later: MS buys independent studios with low end ips or game engine's to there name meaning they will take time to craft and build.
- WTF MS why arent these games coming out in a years time.

A game rental service like netflix and hulu if i want star wars on 4k blue ray what this I can still buy it wow hold on DMC5 is on gamepass whats that I can still buy it at rental no way how can a rental service and a product service exist at the same time.

yea for the low low price i can pay $7-15 and watch any move,tv or anime I want what a deal breaker.

more third party games come out then 1st party you can beat 90% of the ps4 1st party catalog in a years time and thats going from 2013 to now good luck beating half of the third party games in that have came out since then till now in that time frame.

then dont an xbox then if you hate there business model and just want to play cinematic third person action games its like a pc gamer saying he wont get a console because he likes mouse and keyboard cool enjoy yourself no one is loosing sleep over you not getting a xbox.
Not to cause a fight but...
Punctuation good sir!!
 
Sure ok - but where's the proof that Phil was gnawing at the gate for Master Nadella to open the cage, remove the nuzzle, and hand him the company credit card? Like what proof do you have that he was hamstrung until that exact moment?
the fact they they pushed cable and TV deals for the greater part of the one's life cycle is one.
 

HawarMiran

Banned
Fire him or Xbox division is doomed. In 7 years this failure didn't manage anything. And he couldn't get one of his teams to develope some banger for the start of next-gen. 343 had so many years and they delay their game :messenger_tears_of_joy: . Yeah I know 343 has its own management but in the end Phil Spencer is the captain OF XBOX and he has to stay on deck an sink with the ship
 

GHG

Gold Member
yes because don had studios/entire dev teams,marketing, and existing studios while phil had none of that and had to build everything from scratch.......................................................................

No he didn't. He inherited a division that he knew very well.

He was the general manager of Xbox game studios before he got promoted to his current position ffs.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
If I recall correctly, 2018 was the year Xbox no longer had to report to Corporate, and Phil Spencer was actually able to start making big decisions. His first move was to buy up some studios, and get their first party shit together. 343i not withstanding, I think Spencer's vision for Xbox is more attractive that both Mattrick's strategy of... whatever the fuck that was... and the trojan horse strategy before it. I think 343i needs a shake up. They've done damage to the Xbox brand, and with the move of Infinite out of the launch window they've done damage to the launch of their new console. Time to clean house.
 
Wow, what a load of horse crud. He is in charge of Xbox. Of course the responsibility falls to him on what is being released for the platform and he got started in 2014! Day one he should have been laying the course for new releases to hit 2-3 years out from that point. Which means the rewards should have been able to be reaped starting way back in 2016, or 2017 at the latest. Now he had a "leash" from Microsoft that was stopping him? A leash on the head of the division??

So now you're saying that because games take 2-3 years to develop, but he was off the leash in 2018, we can't start judging until 2021-2022? Two years from 2018 is .... 2020 my man, NOT 2022. So even by your completely random and misguided metrics we should still be judging their output now!

With the latest news people who actually want Xbox to be good (like myself) instead of just defending a brand they like, should be really worried. There are basically no games coming. Stop using The Medium and Scorn. Go look at Scorn gameplay videos on YouTube and see where that looks like it's going to fall quality wise. And Phil is out there saying this they are crushing it basically.

Here is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand. People and organizations don't just "change" for the better. They are not victims of circumstance. It starts with leadership and goes from there. You need the right people from the beginning. Phil's output is not going to just radically take a different course.

We've had seven years of Phil Spencer. We know what Xbox is like under his leadership. It's a known entity at this point. You either think he's the right man for the job based on nearly a decade of evidence, or he needs to go.

In my opinion, the answer couldn't be more clear what needs to happen.

Day one he should have been laying the course for new releases to hit 2-3 years out from that point.
yes non existing studios are going to churn out games.
Which means the rewards should have been able to be reaped starting way back in 2016, or 2017 at the latest.
and when did MS buy those studios much later ok
Now he had a "leash" from Microsoft that was stopping him? A leash on the head of the division??
a division that was going to get axed?
With the latest news people who actually want Xbox to be good (like myself) instead of just defending a brand they like, should be really worried. There are basically no games coming. Stop using The Medium and Scorn. Go look at Scorn gameplay videos on YouTube and see where that looks like it's going to fall quality wise. And Phil is out there saying this they are crushing it basically.
seen both they look fine for experimental games what do want a god of war or uncharted clone.
Here is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand. People and organizations don't just "change" for the better. They are not victims of circumstance. It starts with leadership and goes from there. You need the right people from the beginning. Phil's output is not going to just radically take a different course.

We've had seven years of Phil Spencer. We know what Xbox is like under his leadership. It's a known entity at this point. You either think he's the right man for the job based on nearly a decade of evidence, or he needs to go.

In my opinion, the answer couldn't be more clear what needs to happen.
and replace him with who
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Bonnie and Greenberg should go before Phil ever does. He has done a good job with what he has to work with.
 

LarknThe4th

Member
It's a team effort and I think his team isnt as good, but as a leader you get a lot from him

People in charge of divisions need big ideas, his two are Gamepass and building back up 1st party studios

Gamepass to me is a good execution of "Netflix for games" the 1st party stuff is up in the air, but it takes balls to delay Halo

The minecraft move was his baby as well, and that has been unbelievably succesful

Again we will see

Matt Booty is not a good second though he is light years away from Shinya Takahashi or Herman Hulst in getting creative and easily brand definable product out at regular intervals, Maybe Phil needs to look for somebody more dynamic in that vital position

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Actually thinking about it, if Nintendo ever wanted to make their American division aggressive again I wouldn't mind someone like Phil in their connecting the dots on the ground, maybe away from having to call all the shots and have a more focused brief would excite him

Make the call Furakawa! 😂😂
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
He wasn't given the support to turn the ship around until 2018. That's...kind of important.
No shit the concern trolls are out on full force again. Still waiting on this grand plan from the concern trolls.
what Phil was supposed to do with zero budget and 4 AAA studios. Phil secured money with gamepass and immediately purchased studios. Shocking games take 4-5 years to develop. Phil did not have a blank check like jim Ryan and his 750 million dollar money hats.
 
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