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Insider Matt from Reeee on Sony Bought Exclusivity Deals

MHubert

Member
I wasn't talking about funding development, I was talking about a Dev studio being brought out to save them from going under.
There's a difference.
... And you don't think that has something to do with funding their development?

It is one of many methods of procurement (including timed exclusivity) and as others have noted, neither MS or Sony has bought any studios facing bankruptcy. It's pure business, and not some pseudo-moral fairytale.
 
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Polygonal_Sprite

Gold Member
Right.... Well I know that you lose money selling consoles because you make that loss up selling games. And since they're more into renting games with Gamepass I suspect they're not selling games at the rate they were pre Gamepass and thus are losing money on hardware & Gamepass simultaneously. You can disagree but it's far from baseless.

You do realise GP makes money from letting you try games, hoping you enjoy them then to not only keep you subscribed but also selling you DLC / Microtransactions.

People on enthusiast forums don’t seem to understand that a lot of PS4 owners for instance play Fortnite, CoD, AC and the odd exclusive every year. Xbox will be making bank once they attract people into their walled garden because then they’re buying everything from their store. Third party digital editions, Fortnite skins, CoD DLC on top of the “play it before your friend 4 days early” $90 edition of Halo Infinite etc.

Do people actually believe Xbox will be losing money with GP. Holy shit.
 
You do realise GP makes money from letting you try games, hoping you enjoy them then to not only keep you subscribed but also selling you DLC / Microtransactions.

People on enthusiast forums don’t seem to understand that a lot of PS4 owners for instance play Fortnite, CoD, AC and the odd exclusive every year. Xbox will be making bank once they attract people into their walled garden because then they’re buying everything from their store. Third party digital editions, Fortnite skins, CoD DLC on top of the “play it before your friend 4 days early” $90 edition of Halo Infinite etc.

Do people actually believe Xbox will be losing money with GP. Holy shit.
90% of my gaming time is ftp or under 5$ sales or emulators. I couldn't give 2 shits how many exclusives a console has because I won't play more then maybe 5 in a generation. I spend my money on mountain biking, family vacations and weed.
 

wolffy71

Banned
Right.... Well I know that you lose money selling consoles because you make that loss up selling games. And since they're more into renting games with Gamepass I suspect they're not selling games at the rate they were pre Gamepass and thus are losing money on hardware & Gamepass simultaneously. You can disagree but it's far from baseless.
Its not baseless? Its based on an assumption you're making. Its just a bad as baseless lol. Do you have any facts about gamepass and its effects on game sales? How about the cost they incur from running gamepass? The sales of gp memberships? Dlc or game ad ons? How does it affect customer retention? You dont have a clue on any of these things im guessing so if we're gonna assume, lets assume that MS knows why they are investing more into it and not just make stuff up.
 

Hezekiah

Banned
You do realise GP makes money from letting you try games, hoping you enjoy them then to not only keep you subscribed but also selling you DLC / Microtransactions.

People on enthusiast forums don’t seem to understand that a lot of PS4 owners for instance play Fortnite, CoD, AC and the odd exclusive every year. Xbox will be making bank once they attract people into their walled garden because then they’re buying everything from their store. Third party digital editions, Fortnite skins, CoD DLC on top of the “play it before your friend 4 days early” $90 edition of Halo Infinite etc.

Do people actually believe Xbox will be losing money with GP. Holy shit.
Really? The numbers seem to suggest that the attach rate for PS4 owners is higher than it is for PS2. The platform has more and better content than Xbox One:


Nobody knows if GamePass can make bank at its current prices because you only make projections on how many people it will attract. Right now there are lot of gamers who are paying far below the standard price for access to it - and many of these have signed up to long-terms deals as low as $1 a month.

From the fact that Microsoft won't release the financials (same as it won't for hardware and software sales) we can surmise it's losing a significant sum of money on GamePass. Future success will be very dependent on selling hardware because I really don't see casuals on their phones and tablets making up the difference any time soon. That could be a real problem because the market research and sales patterns suggests that there is much less interest in Microsoft hardware than there is in Sony/Nintendo hardware.

TL:DR? Selling full price software is much more lucrative than having a subscription service, and hoping that people pay for $90 editions of Halo Infinite. Which is why Sony and Nintendo continue to do it this way. If and when the numbers suggest otherwise they'll do their own versions of GamePass - only they'll have the advantage of owning stronger IPs and having better content.
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/im...nown-multiplatform-games.263403/post-41934720

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im...nown-multiplatform-games.263403/post-41935788

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If true, good job sony for going to bat for consumer of your products, I approve.
Good job Sony? The hypocrisy regarding buying exclusives by Sony fans endlessly confuses me.
 

Elginer

Member
I am getting a PS5 hopefully day one. I for one could give two shits as long as Sony makes my purchase for their system worthwhile. MS is more than free to do the same. As it stands I'm just keeping my One X until there is a reason to upgrade.
 

Polygonal_Sprite

Gold Member
Really? The numbers seem to suggest that the attach rate for PS4 owners is higher than it is for PS2. The platform has more and better content than Xbox One:


Nobody knows if GamePass can make bank at its current prices because you only make projections on how many people it will attract. Right now there are lot of gamers who are paying far below the standard price for access to it - and many of these have signed up to long-terms deals as low as $1 a month.

From the fact that Microsoft won't release the financials (same as it won't for hardware and software sales) we can surmise it's losing a significant sum of money on GamePass. Future success will be very dependent on selling hardware because I really don't see casuals on their phones and tablets making up the difference any time soon. That could be a real problem because the market research and sales patterns suggests that there is much less interest in Microsoft hardware than there is in Sony/Nintendo hardware.

TL:DR? Selling full price software is much more lucrative than having a subscription service, and hoping that people pay for $90 editions of Halo Infinite. Which is why Sony and Nintendo continue to do it this way. If and when the numbers suggest otherwise they'll do their own versions of GamePass - only they'll have the advantage of owning stronger IPs and having better content.

Obviously we have to see how it plays out this gen. They have Game Pass, X-Cloud, the new studios to entice GP subs, Series X and the rumoured $299 Series S. They have a ton of choice for price conscious consumers which will be important as we head into a potential global financial depression.

I'm looking forward to Sony making more shorter games and getting twice as many exclusives out this gen after their CEO or whatever said he'd like to see more 15 hour linear games return. I have GP on PC and I'll be getting a PS5 for exclusives. I hope they all do well.
 

Texas Pride

Banned
You do realise GP makes money from letting you try games, hoping you enjoy them then to not only keep you subscribed but also selling you DLC / Microtransactions.

People on enthusiast forums don’t seem to understand that a lot of PS4 owners for instance play Fortnite, CoD, AC and the odd exclusive every year. Xbox will be making bank once they attract people into their walled garden because then they’re buying everything from their store. Third party digital editions, Fortnite skins, CoD DLC on top of the “play it before your friend 4 days early” $90 edition of Halo Infinite etc.

Do people actually believe Xbox will be losing money with GP. Holy shit.


I believe they make money on DLC and XBL yes. But I don't believe that offsets the losses from hardware and Gamepass. One thing we all learned a long time ago is when MS is successful at something they spare no expense letting everyone know. The lack of noise on Gamepass after 3 years would point to no they don't make money right now.
 

Texas Pride

Banned
Its not baseless? Its based on an assumption you're making. Its just a bad as baseless lol. Do you have any facts about gamepass and its effects on game sales? How about the cost they incur from running gamepass? The sales of gp memberships? Dlc or game ad ons? How does it affect customer retention? You dont have a clue on any of these things im guessing so if we're gonna assume, lets assume that MS knows why they are investing more into it and not just make stuff up.



It's assumed they're taking losses now hoping it is worth it in the future which remains to be seen. If you have nothing to offer on the subject your opinion which I disagree with is as valid as mine.
 

Polygonal_Sprite

Gold Member
I believe they make money on DLC and XBL yes. But I don't believe that offsets the losses from hardware and Gamepass. One thing we all learned a long time ago is when MS is successful at something they spare no expense letting everyone know. The lack of noise on Gamepass after 3 years would point to no they don't make money right now.

True. Didn’t they announce recently they had 10 million full price subscribers to GP? Could have imagined that lol.
 

pixelation

Member
Its a matter of perspective. The games were always coming to PS5, Sony is just paying to punish people who do not want to pay for their new system.
Playstation and Xbox have both done it in the past (and will continue to do so), people complaining about it won't change anything really (forums are a very vocal minority in the grand scheme of things).
 

pixelation

Member
What Matt? Mr one line vague statement. Could you list me some of his correct predictions please? Because I can't remember one.

Your avatar, where does that come from?
Matt is a VERY known (vetted and proven right many MANY times) insider who posts... elsewhere (hint: uses some kind of an evil duck avatar) and no, I am not obliged to do the HW for you. I am sure you can connect the dots.
 

JonnyMP3

Member
As I said in the other thread. People need to check out his Linkedin profile and decide whether he's genuine or not.
Because if you're not..... Linkedin would rip you to shreds.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
It's assumed they're taking losses now hoping it is worth it in the future which remains to be seen. If you have nothing to offer on the subject your opinion which I disagree with is as valid as mine.
Working out the profitability of game pass is going to be very difficult, and definitely not something that we will be ever able to work out.

For example, say I subbed to GP for $1. I play a game on it, really like it, and then buy it for $50. Game pass didn't actually make any money off me. Game pass recorded $1 revenue from me, that's it. Game pass certainly cost MS more than $1 to have me on there, so by that metric, it would be a loss. But MS got their 30% cut from the game that I bought, but there's no real way to 100% count that as because of game pass - I might have been going to buy it anyway, like I would with lots of the big first party games. So MS very well could be making money off me because of game pass, even though game pass itself is "running at a loss" for me.

I was just on the dustgolem rumor about RE8. I thought we couldn't trust insiders?
Depends which flag the insider is waving. Team Blue is fine, everything they say is to be believed as long as it's positive towards team blue. Anyone else? Nah.

Matt is a VERY known (vetted and proven right many MANY times) insider who posts... elsewhere (hint: uses some kind of an evil duck avatar) and no, I am not obliged to do the HW for you. I am sure you can connect the dots.
Care to provide any examples of where Matt actually broke some new leaks/rumours and was right?
 
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GetemMa

Member
Matt is legit. Imran is also a pretty reliable insider and concurred on this news.

I don't know why people think this is so far fetched. Sony is the leaps ahead of MS in mind share. Clinching big games would solidify their position next gen. They could spend hundreds of millions in marketing, or they could spend half that and throw the rest at game publishers and just have more games.

Bethesda for instance, has clearly been making deals with Sony as they already have 2 games locked up on PS5 for at least a year (Deathloop and Ghostwire). I think any of the Japanese game publishers in particular would be open to exclusive deals with Sony, especially if they are offering massive dollars sums.

I'm guessing the other huge 3rd parties Sony have locked up are:

Final Fantasy 16
Final Fantasy 7 Remake Parts 2/3
Streetfighter 6
Starfield
Monster Hunter Next
Silent Hill Next
Resident Evil 4 Remake (Yes, they will totally do this because it's free money)
Tekken 8
Marvel vs Capcom 4

Seems unlikely EA would benefit from a deal like this with their massively popular Sports titles. Ubisoft would also surprise me if they went in on this type of deal but I guess it wouldn't shock me if say Rainbow 6 Siege 2 or something like that were on PS5 first and then came to Xbox.

Seems unlikely Sony could afford to pay off Rockstar so I think GTA 6 is probably not possible. COD also feels unlikely. These are multibillion dollar franchises, I really don't think Sony has that kind of cash to lock up these games.
 

REE Machine

Banned
Good job Sony? The hypocrisy regarding buying exclusives by Sony fans endlessly confuses me.
Ill tell you what I told the guy before your dumbass comment, I keep it 100. I dont care about money hats in fact I hope Phil "im a hypocrite" spencer gets off his ass to do something because they havent given me any incentive to buy a series x. Deals and games will make me willing to buy one.
 

BeardGawd

Banned
Ill tell you what I told the guy before your dumbass comment, I keep it 100. I dont care about money hats in fact I hope Phil "im a hypocrite" spencer gets off his ass to do something because they havent given me any incentive to buy a series x. Deals and games will make me willing to buy one.
How about having the superior box? Superior services? If the install base is there games will naturally come to the platform.

When a market leader flexes like this it’s only about who has the most money for exclusives. That’s what you want? Inferior hardware, higher prices but atleast it has paid for exclusives?
 

Aladin

Member
To make a game it is 10mn-50mn$. To get timed exclusivity, it is 2-10mn$ max.
10games X ~5mn$ = 50mn$. It is not an inconceivable figure for xbox. Interesting news nevertheless.
 

REE Machine

Banned
How about having the superior box? Superior services? If the install base is there games will naturally come to the platform.

When a market leader flexes like this it’s only about who has the most money for exclusives. That’s what you want? Inferior hardware, higher prices but atleast it has paid for exclusives?
Before the ps4 vs xbox one debacle power never won a generation, services? Nah im good I dont want a low budget netflix for gaming, ill take what sony is offering me with high quality AAA exclusives as well as timed deals and games for investing in their product, why fly coach when I can fly first class?

Sony can flex not just because of money but because they are market leader. Imagine Phil trying to explain to a developer that they want to keep a game off a system that has sold over or around 110 million consoles, now think the reverse where the competitor only sold 40-50 million, which deal would you take then? Im taking the deal with the guy that sold more hardware because I then have a higher install base to sell my exclusivity deal as in dlc or game on to reach andalready wide audience. Sony doesnt flex, its their gamers that actually buy games and not tout services. MS dug their own grave.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned
Ill tell you what I told the guy before your dumbass comment, I keep it 100. I dont care about money hats in fact I hope Phil "im a hypocrite" spencer gets off his ass to do something because they havent given me any incentive to buy a series x. Deals and games will make me willing to buy one.
It's pretty clear from all your posting that unless they sell xbox to sony you'll never be buying a series X.
 

pixelation

Member
How about having the superior box?
Watch out for them graphics on XBSX!!!... 12 TFLOPS baby!!! *looks @ Halo Infinite*

Playstation has the better 1st party output of the two (XB and PS) care to compare Sony's and Microsoft's first party output for this gen and compare the reception to their games?, they put out more games in quantity and the critical reception was so much better than whatever MS put out. They're sure to keep on firing the big hitters next gen, MS is still nothing but promises and... erm... Halo Infinite. Phil Spencer can keep on promising a better tomorrow all he wants, he's still all talk and a lot of lies. On top of that PS is paying for third party exclusivity deals to sweeten the pot... what reason is there for anyone to go with XB next gen?, Phil's promises of a better tomorrow?, Microsoft's first party offerings? (yet to be proven and also available on PC), "superior hardware"? (the most impressive next gen games so far have been shown on the less powerful console... go figure!
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
They need to give me quality games. This gen by xbox was trash, the future still looks like trash. They start showing me some good games, ill invest into their product.
If all you want is cinematic single player first party game then sure, it wasn't as good as Sonys output, but in terms of other categories of games they blew Sony away. As someone that could not care less about cinematic single player games but likes online multiplayer games, MS killed it this generation. Sony offered me literally nothing. Even a Killzone 2 or 3 remaster with MP would have made me buy a PS4 but alas I'm still waiting for a reason to buy one.

Not to mention that 95% of games are multiplatform, and the Xbox will play them better than the PS5.

I do not buy for one second that you'd buy an Xbox.

If I were in the shoes of a large third-party, I would be more aligned to Sony's tried and true business model than MS's Game Pass vision which seems to diminish the third-party's power if they were to buy in on it.

Why do people on here act like microsoft require all games to be on game pass? There is zero pressure or obligation whatsoever for a third party publisher to put their games on gamepass.
 
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REE Machine

Banned
If all you want is cinematic single player first party game then sure, it wasn't as good as Sonys output, but in terms of other categories of games they blew Sony away. As someone that could not care less about cinematic single player games but likes online multiplayer games, MS killed it this generation. Sony offered me literally nothing. Even a Killzone 2 or 3 remaster with MP would have made me buy a PS4 but alas I'm still waiting for a reason to buy one.

Not to mention that 95% of games are multiplatform, and the Xbox will play them better than the PS5.

I do not buy for one second that you'd buy an Xbox.



Why do people on here act like microsoft require all games to be on game pass? There is zero pressure or obligation whatsoever for a third party publisher to put their games on gamepass.
Ok big guy what did MS offer you that Sony didnt? Again MS had no quality bangers this gen, it doesnt need to be a "cinematic" experience like you said, its just needs to be good.

crackdown- trash, and phil capped for that game as well
Quantum Break- mediocre
Halo- a shell of itself, #bringbungieback
Ryse son of Rome- blatant GOW knockoff with no pay off, looked good though
Sunset Overdrive- Spiderman was miles better
Bleeding Edge- dont get me started
The only developer that kept MS head afloat this gen was the Forza team, and I hate racing games.

as for your cinematic experince, I dont go to the theatre to see an indie movie, i go to see the blockbuster hits.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
If I were in the shoes of a large third-party, I would be more aligned to Sony's tried and true business model than MS's Game Pass vision which seems to diminish the third-party's power if they were to buy in on it.
Yep help Sony get a monopoly so they can raise the ecosystem fee to 40 or 50%. Your thinking like a warrior. Any publisher under the Nintendo iron fist of the NES days knows how bad a monopoly is for publishers.
 
Regarding PS5, Github was wrong about frequency clocks ( 2 Ghz ) TFLOPS ( 9.2 ), GPU architecture ( RDNA 1 ) and about half wrong bandwidth speed ( 530 GB/s and 448 GB/s was in github ). That's not even REMOTELY CLOSE to 98% like you said. You don't believe, check the github numbers again
It wasn't wrong. It was 100% right.
Sony was testing 2GHZ fixed clocks. And TLOPS is an equation of clocks and compute units.
Those are Devkit chips. They are never the same as the retail unit.

The Series X and Ps5 devkit were 56 and 40CUs
Both retail units end up having 52 and 36 CUs
Just like Xbox One X devkit is 40CUs and the retail unit is 36 CUs

Ps5 has 448GB's bandwidth.




It's just funny how people claim Github wasn't right but on the other hand believe insiders claiming bullshit because "plans change"
People on the internet are sure something
As I said. The only thing that Github didn't show was the variable frequencies. Everything else was and is spot on.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned
Ok big guy what did MS offer you that Sony didnt? Again MS had no quality bangers this gen, it doesnt need to be a "cinematic" experience like you said, its just needs to be good.

crackdown- trash, and phil capped for that game as well
Quantum Break- mediocre
Halo- a shell of itself, #bringbungieback
Ryse son of Rome- blatant GOW knockoff with no pay off, looked good though
Sunset Overdrive- Spiderman was miles better
Bleeding Edge- dont get me started
The only developer that kept MS head afloat this gen was the Forza team, and I hate racing games.

as for your cinematic experince, I dont go to the theatre to see an indie movie, i go to see the blockbuster hits.
Halo 5 MP was the best Halo MP to date. Absolute banger.
Quantum break......cinematic single player. That's not a online multiplayer game.
Ryse......same as above.
Sunset - spiderman is completely different. SO was fantastic though, multiplayer too.
Bleeding Edge - haven't played it yet, but I also doubt you have ;)
Forza - ah so they don't count because you hate them? haha oh the irony. Horizon 2, 3, and 4 are 3 of the best racing games of all time. Forza 5, 6, and 7 especially are some of the best console sim racers of all time, especially 7.
Gears 4 and 5 were amazing online.
Halo MCC - absolute shitshow to start with, but is amazing now. Probably the game with the best support this entire generation.

Now what did Sony me, an MP player, offer that MS didn't? I hate cinematic single player games, so don't list any of those. Keen to see what your list looks like.
 

jimbojim

Banned
It wasn't wrong. It was 100% right.
Sony was testing 2GHZ fixed clocks. And TLOPS is an equation of clocks and compute units.
Those are Devkit chips. They are never the same as the retail unit.

The Series X and Ps5 devkit were 56 and 40CUs
Both retail units end up having 52 and 36 CUs
Just like Xbox One X devkit is 40CUs and the retail unit is 36 CUs

Ps5 has 448GB's bandwidth.




It's just funny how people claim Github wasn't right but on the other hand believe insiders claiming bullshit because "plans change"
People on the internet are sure something
As I said. The only thing that Github didn't show was the variable frequencies. Everything else was and is spot on.

It wasn't right regarding PS5. I gave you the facts. GPU architecure was wrong, GPU clock wrong, TFLOPs wrong, bandwidth speed half-wrong. What the hell you trying to spin? It was 100% right only regarding CU. Yes, devkits aren't the same as retail units. It can only be stronger, not weaker. If Github was right regarding Ps5, it would be a 2GHz 9TF console, but it's not
 
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Hezekiah

Banned
MS just said that GP doesn't generate any profit, they are losing money on it at the moment.
Yes that was obvious. The question is how long are they will to assume such significant losses.

I think after a few months of this gen they will have to stop all the sales on it, and focus on selling hardware. If a lomg-time Xbox One owner wants GamePass why wouldn't they already have it? So they need to sell new boxers to new customers to drive subs.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
Yes that was obvious. The question is how long are they will to assume such significant losses.

I think after a few months of this gen they will have to stop all the sales on it, and focus on selling hardware. If a lomg-time Xbox One owner wants GamePass why wouldn't they already have it? So they need to sell new boxers to new customers to drive subs.
Just because game pass isn’t profitable it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t make profit for the Xbox division.

Think about the razor blade model, the one that Sony and ms used before the current gen - hardware sells at a loss but the game sales that run on that hardware makes it up for them.

Game pass will be the same. It makes no money itself because the only revenue is the subscription, but it makes Ms money and profit because it drives sales of digital games and dlc.
 

REE Machine

Banned
Halo 5 MP was the best Halo MP to date. Absolute banger.
Quantum break......cinematic single player. That's not a online multiplayer game.
Ryse......same as above.
Sunset - spiderman is completely different. SO was fantastic though, multiplayer too.
Bleeding Edge - haven't played it yet, but I also doubt you have ;)
Forza - ah so they don't count because you hate them? haha oh the irony. Horizon 2, 3, and 4 are 3 of the best racing games of all time. Forza 5, 6, and 7 especially are some of the best console sim racers of all time, especially 7.
Gears 4 and 5 were amazing online.
Halo MCC - absolute shitshow to start with, but is amazing now. Probably the game with the best support this entire generation.

Now what did Sony me, an MP player, offer that MS didn't? I hate cinematic single player games, so don't list any of those. Keen to see what your list looks like.
Multiplayer/coop,these were roughly the offerings by sony this gen as they focus on better experiences that actually sell.


  • Killzone: Shadow Fall
  • Driveclub
  • The Last of Us
  • Bloodborne
  • Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
  • Knack 2
  • Gran Turismo Sport
  • Farpoint
  • Firewall
  • Street Fighter
 
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Hezekiah

Banned
Just because game pass isn’t profitable it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t make profit for the Xbox division.

Think about the razor blade model, the one that Sony and ms used before the current gen - hardware sells at a loss but the game sales that run on that hardware makes it up for them.

Game pass will be the same. It makes no money itself because the only revenue is the subscription, but it makes Ms money and profit because it drives sales of digital games and dlc.
They would surely sell more digital games if it wasn't there. I bet the majority of gamers play a game on GamePass and never buy it. And they don't suddenly have more time to play games. There'll be a lot of games they try once and disregard without even considering buying dlc.

GamePass is assuredly losing Microsoft a ton of money, but they chose to go this way because their content library is inferior to its rivals. If there was any suggestion that you could make more money going this route through extra digital game and DLC sales, Sony and Nintendo would be on it.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
Multiplayer/coop,these were roughly the offerings by sony this gen as they focus on better experiences that actually sell.


  • Killzone: Shadow Fall
  • Driveclub
  • The Last of Us
  • Bloodborne
  • Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
  • Knack 2
  • Gran Turismo Sport
  • Farpoint
  • Firewall
  • Street Fighter
Bloodborne wasn't online multiplayer lol.
Knack 2? Are you serious?
The Last of Us is a remaster of a PS3 game.
Never even heard of Farpoint or Firewall. Street Fighter isn't an online multiplayer game, it's a fighting game. That's a terrible list compared to Microsofts.

So to sum up, there's killzone, which was much worse than 2 or 3s multiplayer, a single arcade racing game, a bare bones sim racing game, and uncharted 4. Xbox leaves that for dead.

Also lol at saying they focus on "better experiences that actually sell". Yeah that Knack 2 was highly lauded for its online multiplayer and sold millions!

They would surely sell more digital games if it wasn't there. I bet the majority of gamers play a game on GamePass and never buy it. And they don't suddenly have more time to play games. There'll be a lot of games they try once and disregard without even considering buying dlc.

GamePass is assuredly losing Microsoft a ton of money, but they chose to go this way because their content library is inferior to its rivals. If there was any suggestion that you could make more money going this route through extra digital game and DLC sales, Sony and Nintendo would be on it.

Only that first sentence isn't what we've heard. Sea of Thieves was one of the first game pass day and date launches and look at how it has sold since. I'm going to believe Microsoft over random internet person on if Game Pass is a viable project or not. The fact that it's still going and they're focusing on it says it is.
 
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