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[Thirty7ven]

I wasn't talking about funding development, I was talking about a Dev studio being brought out to save them from going under.
There's a difference.

In no way shape or form were Ninja Theory or any of the studios MS bought going under.

 

[harry mason 1989]

i always love reading xbox fanboys comments these days
they lost there mind when epic showed unreal engine demo on ps5 after the disaster episode of inside xbox on may
and the xbox july event made it even worse for them after all the hype for halo only good thing about the even was the craig mems
they reminds me of the sega dreamcast fans 20 years ago lol

 

[prinz_valium]

Yeah, regarding XSX, not PS5

No. For Series X it was 100% correct.
For Ps5 it was 98% correct.
Github was 99% correct.



Those SOCs ended up in the Ps5 and Series X. That's it.
Were the Xbox One leaks wrong or not 99% correct, because Microsoft increased the GPU clocks by 50MHz the last second?
Of course not. And no sane person would make that argument.

 

[BootsLoader]

That wasn't the rumor if you read the thread. It says Sony contacted pretty much everyone in the gaming industry to find exclusive deals. Microsoft did not reach out for exclusive deals but when it was presented to them they didn't want to pay the same money.

Phil has also been against exclusive content like this for awhile now so it would go against their philosophy as a company. I'm not going to go to say Xbox wouldn't do the same, but If they did do this it would absolutely not be received the same by the gaming community.

We are making it acceptable because it is Sony making the move, ignoring what it will mean for the gaming industry as a whole. I hate thet double standard. Not because I love Xbox so much, but because it sets a terrible precedent with what Sony will be allowed to get away with in the future.

Let's throw out a hypothetical. What if Sony bought exclusive deals because they know their hardware will be much higher than gamers are expected? They will basically be saying "buy our $600 console or you can't play these third party games." I'm not saying that will be the case, but it will be very interesting to see what their console price will be now.


Also, Xbox has to retaliate if the games listed are going to be exclusive, even for awhile. There is no way they can sit back and allow that to happen. Sony would have made them look very weak in the industry with this type of move. Maybe Sony just exposed how bad Xboxs relationship is with 3rd party developers. It will be interesting to see what they do next.

Yeah but there is no voice in Sony’s presentations yelling “EXCLUSIVEEEEEE”

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Vastly more powerful system at a cheaper price?

I'm not really buying that.

sounds strange, right?
as I have written before, its just an equation for microsoft with some unknown parameters to us, like for example how much of the percentage they lost last gen they want back.
all signs point to a BOM around 530ish, and if sony can throw .75billion on a timed exclusive game, I'm pretty sure you understand that microsoft may as well roll some money in front, just to get their machines out at a bargain price. its not like they won't make them back.

 

[quest]

In no way shape or form were Ninja Theory or any of the studios MS bought going under.

Considering obsidian entertainment last game was AA because of money I say close enough. I say scraping by making AA games is basically the same as going under for a studio of that talent. Ninja theory and inexile did not have the capital to grow into AAA studios. If we cut all Sony studios budgets by 75% and they were forced into AA games to stay afloat that is the same as going under just a slower death.

This is healthy for a studio having constant money worries to pay staff?

"Things have been almost exactly the same, just without the terror of going out of business all the time," says Double Fine boss Tim Schafer. "We've been doing this for 20 years, so it's not that terrifying. But you do think about where we're going to get the next six months of salaries from.

How Minecraft and Mojang taught Xbox how to buy studios

This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss developing games for Game Pass…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[MasterCornholio]

sounds strange, right?
as I have written before, its just an equation for microsoft with some unknown parameters to us, like for example how much of the percentage they lost last gen they want back.
all signs point to a BOM around 530ish, and if sony can throw .75billion on a timed exclusive game, I'm pretty sure you understand that microsoft may as well roll some money in front, just to get their machines out at a bargain price. its not like they won't make them back.

But even the PS5 DE? I'm not sure about that. Something doesn't make sense here.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Considering obsidian entertainment last game was AA because of money I say close enough. I say scraping by making AA games is basically the same as going under for a studio of that talent. Ninja theory and inexile did not have the capital to grow into AAA studios. If we cut all Sony studios budgets by 75% and they were forced into AA games to stay afloat that is the same as going under just a slower death.

This is healthy for a studio having constant money worries to pay staff?

"Things have been almost exactly the same, just without the terror of going out of business all the time," says Double Fine boss Tim Schafer. "We've been doing this for 20 years, so it's not that terrifying. But you do think about where we're going to get the next six months of salaries from.

How Minecraft and Mojang taught Xbox how to buy studios

This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss developing games for Game Pass…

www.gamesindustry.biz

I'm not debating whether or not it's better for them financially. They made their choice, so kudos for them.

Obsidian's last game was Outer Worlds. I don't see how they were scraping by with that.

And again you are debating something completely different. Of course it would be hard for Ninja Theory to go back to AAA after a run of failures, but Hellblade was a good game and they could've landed a bigger contract after that. Instead they got bought, that's all.

Just so it's set in stone, I'm debating the narrative that MS came crashing through like a white knight saving a falling princess. It's just some more bullshit that.

 

[tryDEATH]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

 

[Mr Moose]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

Stadia in 2nd place makes zero sense. Boo! boo this man!

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

But even the PS5 DE? I'm not sure about that. Something doesn't make sense here.

if we take the leak from that big french supermaket chain for granted, that ps5 prices will be 400 digital - 500 full, I think xbox x reaching 400 will be a huge success, because as we know they will also have the xbox s for even less money.
speculating, for it to be 400 it means ~130 far away from BOM. but most people that buy a new console, buy also something to go with it. so, lets say average 100 loss -or a bit less- per unit out the gate (mind you xbox 360 also had a 525 BOM).
now, for the first 10 million units, thats one billion or less. but then, you already have 10 million consuming.
as I said, its just an equation, with some parameters we dont know.
could also launch at 600, especially if all the people that have been yelling that microsoft only cares about gamepass are correct.
we will find out soon.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

Stadia haha... what is that a race for ?

 

[thelastword]

Why would you not want CP2077 to be gimped? It seems all you Sony boys are cheering for gimping games Sony has made deals on. I won't cheer or cry if they do, just like I'm not cheering or crying about Sony doing it. I would prefer both companies NOT do it, but after how proud Sony fans are of exclusive gimping for the PS5 I might be tempted to laugh my ass off if Xbox did pay CDPR or From to gimp their games on the PS5.

I'm also curious why you seem so disappointed that I'm not affected or bothered by Sony supposedly locking up content on 3rd party games, because it doesn't affect any games I'm plan to play. You're VERY defensive about the games I'm looking forward to and have a need to criticize and find fault with all of them. You claim some of those games multiplat (yeah, so what) or try to explain how the Xbox 3rd party exclusives somehow aren't as good as the Sony 3rd parties. Scorn is "not going to light Meta on fire". That remains to be seen.

You're looking forward to those your list war, well good for you. I'm not interested in them but do you honestly think Quantum Error or Volcano High is going to "light Meta on fire"?

Nobody has asked for gimped games on any platform. Tailor the games to the platforms strengths is all. Getting exclusive content is not gimping the Series X version, Sony is about boosting it's platform not Microsoft's.

I'm not disappointed by the games you chose, it was curious that they were all MS sponsored games even though they are lower quality than the games you have no interest in, just a curiosity. As I said, Scorn looked good to me from the first trailer, but that was so long ago, I even thought that game was dead. Having seen gameplay though it's a bit slower than I imagined with the enemies being few and far between and A.I not a strongpoint from what I've seen. For a game I felt had tonnes of atmosphere in the trailer I'm not sure it has transitioned as well into gameplay.......Quantum error on the other hand is full of atmosphere and it's made by a small team of 4 brothers. I don't think either will light Meta on fire, but I see more effort and fluidity on Quantum...

 

[Demon2blades]

PC gamers?

So funny watching the celebration coming from Sony fans who are completely ignoring that every first party Sony game will be coming to the PC lol they didn't invest in Epic because Epic needs a few dollars. They will be putting that relationship to use. That probably means not only will the games be on PC but you will be forced to buy them through the Epic store

They will come to pc definitely it would be stupid not too grow your business but I'm guessing not day 1 releases though and i think that won't change at all this gen because imho Sony absolutely needs to sell consoles and pc gets the games 6+ months later it's a win win everyone's happy .

 

[Tell_men]

Last time Sony did this: Final Fantasy VII only part 1 released, Shenmue III turned out to be meh. Last Guardian was good though. I’ll give them that.

Wait: only good if Last Guardian was played on a PS4 pro, otherwise framerate takes a dive. And the pro was not the system Last Guardian was initially advertised for.

 

[jimbojim]

No. For Series X it was 100% correct.
For Ps5 it was 98% correct.
Github was 99% correct.



Those SOCs ended up in the Ps5 and Series X. That's it.
Were the Xbox One leaks wrong or not 99% correct, because Microsoft increased the GPU clocks by 50MHz the last second?
Of course not. And no sane person would make that argument.

Regarding PS5, Github was wrong about frequency clocks ( 2 Ghz ) TFLOPS ( 9.2 ), GPU architecture ( RDNA 1 ) and about half wrong bandwidth speed ( 530 GB/s and 448 GB/s was in github ). That's not even REMOTELY CLOSE to 98% like you said. You don't believe, check the github numbers again

 

[thelastword]

So Dusk Golem used the troubles of the Dolphin Dev as proof that "devs" are having issues running multiplat games next to Series X........And now that he is being called out, he's come full circle to state it was only one dev and not a generalized concensus.......Goal posts moved now, that he is actually hearing of late that PS5 is pretty easy to develop for.....Which is the information we have had from day 1 as told by Mark Cerny. The same man who went to multiple devs to ask them what they wanted, but devs are now struggling.......I'm thinking Dusk thought he could get away with this, by planting this and letting MS and their fans run with it, but he learnt quicktime that this was not going to work......


If anything, more devs have come out publicly saying they are vouching for PS5 and it's hardware, that's it's a much more impressive piece of kit overall. Orphan of the machine dev better pray this does not land on PS5, because if I were Sony, I would contract the Ecco the Dolphin devs to make Ecco 2 using nanite and lumen and release it the same day Orphan lands on PS5. Or better yet, I would just get the Aquanaut's Holiday guys to make another game..


.

 

[AphexTwunt]

Moneyhatting for short term gain is pretty standard.....

None of them will have compulsive exclusives day one.

Midterm is where things get interesting.

 

[PSYGN]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

Stadia ruins the meme, but I chuckled.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

 

[Texas Pride]

You're assuming something that you cant prove and treating it as fact. Theres not much to debate when your entire argument is baseless so why bother.

Right.... Well I know that you lose money selling consoles because you make that loss up selling games. And since they're more into renting games with Gamepass I suspect they're not selling games at the rate they were pre Gamepass and thus are losing money on hardware & Gamepass simultaneously. You can disagree but it's far from baseless.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So Dusk Golem used the troubles of the Dolphin Dev as proof that "devs" are having issues running multiplat games next to Series X........And now that he is being called out, he's come full circle to state it was only one dev and not a generalized concensus.......Goal posts moved now, that he is actually hearing of late that PS5 is pretty easy to develop for.....Which is the information we have had from day 1 as told by Mark Cerny. The same man who went to multiple devs to ask them what they wanted, but devs are now struggling.......I'm thinking Dusk thought he could get away with this, by planting this and letting MS and their fans run with it, but he learnt quicktime that this was not going to work......


If anything, more devs have come out publicly saying they are vouching for PS5 and it's hardware, that's it's a much more impressive piece of kit overall. Orphan of the machine dev better pray this does not land on PS5, because if I were Sony, I would contract the Ecco the Dolphin devs to make Ecco 2 using nanite and lumen and release it the same day Orphan lands on PS5. Or better yet, I would just get the Aquanaut's Holiday guys to make another game..


.

He seriously referenced the dolphin dev? Regardless of how true his claim is that's just dumb

 

[Michael Hawk]

Its a matter of perspective. The games were always coming to PS5, Sony is just paying to punish people who do not want to pay for their new system.

Agreed. There's a PowerPoint at Sony's evil lair that reads "How To Punish People Who Do Not Want To Pay For Our New System."

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

He seriously referenced the dolphin dev? Regardless of how true his claim is that's just dumb

the amount of misinformation is unacceptable.
the guy noticed -like many others- that the PS5 RE8 trailer shown was in places stuttery, eventhough only 30fps, so he reached to his acquaintances and asked about it.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

the amount of misinformation is unacceptable.
the guy noticed -like many others- that the PS5 RE8 trailer shown was in places stuttery, eventhough only 30fps, so he reached to his acquaintances and asked about it.

Misinformation on who's part?

It's his own fault for not thinking before he types

 

[tryDEATH]

Stadia in 2nd place makes zero sense. Boo! boo this man!

Stadia has 10.7TF and is more powerful than the almighty 10.2TF VARIABLE RATE PS5.

 

[FunkMiller]

So Dusk Golem used the troubles of the Dolphin Dev as proof that "devs" are having issues running multiplat games next to Series X........And now that he is being called out, he's come full circle to state it was only one dev and not a generalized concensus.......Goal posts moved now, that he is actually hearing of late that PS5 is pretty easy to develop for.....Which is the information we have had from day 1 as told by Mark Cerny. The same man who went to multiple devs to ask them what they wanted, but devs are now struggling.......I'm thinking Dusk thought he could get away with this, by planting this and letting MS and their fans run with it, but he learnt quicktime that this was not going to work......


If anything, more devs have come out publicly saying they are vouching for PS5 and it's hardware, that's it's a much more impressive piece of kit overall. Orphan of the machine dev better pray this does not land on PS5, because if I were Sony, I would contract the Ecco the Dolphin devs to make Ecco 2 using nanite and lumen and release it the same day Orphan lands on PS5. Or better yet, I would just get the Aquanaut's Holiday guys to make another game..


.

As I said elsewhere, I think Golem is probably an Xbox fan at heart, and wants Microsoft to do well, so he took a piece of what could well be legitimate information, and blew it out of proportion to push the Xbox, and gain kudos from the community. It didn’t end well.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Stadia has 10.7TF and is more powerful than the almighty 10.2TF VARIABLE REFRESH RATE PS5.

Stadia is based on Vega. It's not more powerful than the PS5

But at least you tried, so give yourself a pat on the back for that

 

[tryDEATH]

It ok your not very familiar with TRUE 4K your used to that checkerboard 4k and them movie like cinematic bars on the top and bottom.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It ok your not very familiar with TRUE 4K your used to that checkerboard 4k and them movie like cinematic bars on the top and bottom.

If you make me cringe any further I’m sending you my dentist bill.

 

[FranXico]

I don't think the medium or ascent will be as good as you think, especially the medium. There will be much better games for horror. Quantum Error looks much more impressive

Nah.

 

[FranXico]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

Typical. Zero imagination.

 

[PresetError]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

You unironically put Google Stadia in a podium for gaming ahead of Sony and Nintendo? It's time to seek professional help, buddy.

 

[tryDEATH]

Stadia is based on Vega. It's not more powerful than the PS5

But at least you tried, so give yourself a pat on the back for that

Vega 64 is a 1080P/60FPS and 4K/30FPS card just like the PS5 and based on some of the contents that have been quoted here from ReSe sounds just like the PS5 and its variable refresh rate frequency. Or are you one of believers of RDNA3 LITE gospels.

 

[Mr Moose]

Stadia has 10.7TF and is more powerful than the almighty 10.2TF VARIABLE REFRESH RATE PS5.

Isn't Stadia a GCN card? So... Yeah OK.

Vega 64 is a 1080P/60FPS and 4K/30FPS card just like the PS5 and based on some of the contents that have been quoted here from ReSe sounds just like the PS5 and its variable refresh rate. Or are you one of believers of RDNA3 LITE gospels.

VRR? The HDMI 2.1 feature that Series X also has?

 

[thelastword]

I see you likes memes, maybe you will enjoy a funny one that is actually properly cropped isn't made out of 38 pixels.

Didn't have the same impact TryDeath. From the time you put Stadia up there it defeated it's purpose and the 4 mil thing seems a bit of a butthurt response on the Mindshare that Sony has right now.....

Series X taking podium over Sony in the console race is a marijuana induced pipedream though, one that is laced with some opium oil at that.....Eff it, must be quite the psychedelic trip though...

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Vega 64 is a 1080P/60FPS and 4K/30FPS card just like the PS5 and based on some of the contents that have been quoted here from ReSe sounds just like the PS5 and its variable refresh rate. Or are you one of believers of RDNA3 LITE gospels.

Lmao what? How did RDNA 3 come into this?

The Vega 64 is weaker than the PS5 GPU you numpty

If you want to get banned just request it and stop wasting everyone's time with your nonsense

 

[tryDEATH]

Lmao what? How did RDNA 3 come into this?

The Vega 64 is weaker than the PS5 GPU you numpty

If you want to get banned just request it and stop wasting everyone's time with your nonsense

We will see by how much Vega 64 is going to be weaker if the indication that PS5 can't properly run RE8 they might have similar performances.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

We will see by how much Vega 64 is going to be weaker if the indication that PS5 can't properly run RE8 they might have similar performances.

RE8 is a year out. Whatever performance rumours we hear hear are worthless.

You don't need to wait to see how much weaker it is. We have GPUs that are weaker than the PS5 (RX5700XT) that beat the Vega 64

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I have no problem with exclusives. I just think that timed exclusives are a waste of first party money. Just fund some games outright.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Didn’t Microsoft do similar third party exclusive tactics as well? They even recently purchased several studios which most likely means that certain games that would come to PS4 or even the Switch will most likely never come to other platforms? Hellblade 2 for example started out on PlayStation. I think a few of those third parties had some financial difficulties in all fairness, but still.

Getting third party exclusives is anti-consumer and evil, yet buying entire studios which used to make multiplatform games isn’t? These companies are trying to sell consoles to consumers. It may seem ruthless or anti-consumer, but it’s business at the end of the day.

 

[Ogbert]

It's just all so tiresome.

 

[Redlancet]

i always love reading xbox fanboys comments these days
they lost there mind when epic showed unreal engine demo on ps5 after the disaster episode of inside xbox on may
and the xbox july event made it even worse for them after all the hype for halo only good thing about the even was the craig mems
they reminds me of the sega dreamcast fans 20 years ago lol

they remember amiga users on the last days..and i loved the amiga,but the amount of delusional people was incredible

 

[Barnabot]

It's just all so tiresome.

ikr. I think I'm too old for this shit.

 

[MrFunSocks]

They stated how they did things in development, they never said that trailer was exclusively made that way.

They were literally talking about making that trailer lol.

I know it might be hard for you to believe, but they all do it. Barely anything you ever see pre-release is running on a actual production console.

 

[Klayzer]

Xbox fans are swinging wildly with anger in most topics. Their frustrations should be pointed at Microsoft's leadership team for overpromising and underdelvering so far. Too cowardly to take issue with the real culprits for their misery.

 

[Bryank75]

Xbox fans are swinging wildly with anger in most topics. Their frustrations should be pointed at Microsoft's leadership team for overpromising and underdelvering so far. Too cowardly to take issue with the real culprits for their misery.

Yup, I'm heading to the PlayStation OT for the next while...they are just insufferable.

 

[Batiman]

The industry just gets messy this way. It would suck if MS retaliated and devs just start pumping out exclusive content back and forth. Everyone will lose that way. Sucks for me even though I’m gonna have both consoles. Not only do I have to worry about what console I buy a game for so I could play with friends. Now I have to worry about missing out on something no matter what console I choose to purchase a game on. Id rather full exclusive games. This Spider-Man type shit is petty.

 

[Ar¢tos]

You unironically put Google Stadia in a podium for gaming ahead of Sony and Nintendo? It's time to seek professional help, buddy.

At least someone remembers Stadia exists.
I only remember when the name pops up in a meme every now and then.

 

[Games Dean]

He is the guy that broke that Ono messed up and getting demoted/fired, before it was news (capcom).

Dusk Golem: Street Fighter VI delayed out of 2021

www.neogaf.com

No cryptic one-liners like "insider matt", he also says that ps5 will be more expensive than xbox (not the series s)

He also said Series X will be cheaper than PS5 because xbox will make its money back from the profits of GamePass......except GamePass doesn't turn a profit.