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[kyliethicc]

I concur, it's going to be something (or multiple things) that are huge. I can't think of anything that would cause a bigger splash than next-gen CoD being exclusive to PS5 for say 6 months.

I agree, and there’s gotta be a reason the new CoD hasnt been announced yet. Is Sony saving that announcement for their next PS5 event?

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm thinking more of launch window titles, the timing is what makes me hesitant on GTAVI being one he's talking about now. If 6 was that close to coming out I'm having a hard time seeing the reason for putting resources into a next-gen version of GTAV. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility down the road but I think the focus will stay on the next gen version of 5 for a while.

4K 60FPs with cross platform play with the PS4?

And as a timed exclusive it would be pretty big for Sony.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

I've just imagined such a scene:
Phil Spencer comes to his boss, Microsoft CEO.
- Hey Phil, how's your division doing?
- Hey boss, it's doing great! We already have 10 million subscribers to Game Pass!
- That's nice. How much have you earned?
- Well, half of them paid one dollar... It'll be something like $50m income.
- And net?
- Well... We had to buy several studios, moneyhat some others... We're working on it.
- You have one more year, don't disappoint me. And now excuse me, I have a meeting with the server division head. We need to discuss our 50 billion dollar investment in submarine data centers.
- Can I have one hundredth of that money for Fable, boss? Pretty please...
- No, you can't. Now be going, Phil...

Phil Spencer comes to his boss, Microsoft CEO.
- Hey Phil, how's Minecraft?
- Oh, it's doing great, but I wanted to talk about Xbox.
- Hm... How much MTX are the kids buying on Minecraft nowadays?
- It's great, better than ever... But Xbox...
- You can leave now, I have a meeting.

 

[FeiRR]

All PlayStation wireless controllers actually do connect via Bluetooth. But PlayStations can’t use Bluetooth for headsets because Bluetooth can’t do simultaneous audio transfer of game sound to player, voice chat sound to the player, and also voice chat from the player mic to the console. So they made their own wireless connection for headsets to allow game sound and voice chat at the same time. That’s why the headsets ship with a radio transmitter, but the controllers don’t. PlayStations have Bluetooth built in, unlike Xbox. Xbox doesn’t use Bluetooth at all, they have their own proprietary radios for everything.

So how does it work when you connect a headset to the joypad? Is the sound transmitted via BT? I never used it much but I know that quality is much worse than through the radio dongle.

 

[sircaw]

.If sony has for example sealed up a marketing deal Cod, are we talking a few weeks, a month a year here.

It can't surely be a year, they release that stuff yearly anyway don't they?

Let's say it was a month would that be enough to get a huge chunk of the box population that play Cod to move over to ps5.

Just trying to figure out the worth of such a deal. IT would be very expensive on sonys side to justify such a thing, would sales make up for it or am I missing something here.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Anyone think that Activision might go with that deal because they don't want COD competing with a FTP Halo game?

 

[kyliethicc]

So how does it work when you connect a headset to the joypad? Is the sound transmitted via BT? I never used it much but I know that quality is much worse than through the radio dongle.

I honestly have no idea. That’s a great question. I’ve never plugged a headset into my controller. I just know headsets don’t use Bluetooth on PS cause they ship with that little USB stick transmitter thing. But the controllers to console connection uses BT

 

[geordiemp]

.If sony has for example sealed up a marketing deal Cod, are we talking a few weeks, a month a year here.

It can't surely be a year, they release that stuff yearly anyway don't they?

Let's say it was a month would that be enough to get a huge chunk of the box population that play Cod to move over to ps5.

Just trying to figure out the worth of such a deal. IT would be very expensive on sonys side to justify such a thing, would sales make up for it or am I missing something here.

Activision are in no hurry to rush out the next COD, they have made a mint on the Battle Royale.

Also the next COD is 3arc again, so they have not had much time in this cycle so I guess they are also not in a hurry.

I doubt there is much more to read into this.

 

[SSfox]

So basically, a DC fandome leak which leaked this exact game also leaked Cyrax and Sektor coming free to MK11 in September, with Havik, Smoke, Takeda, Mileena, Harley Quinn and Ash Williams finishing up the MK11 roster.

Holy shit. CHAOS, BABY!!

Oh yeah forgot about this one, so it was the original leak that mentioned Suicide Squad, so pretty much confirm Batman Gotham Knight and MK next Kombat Pack upcoming characters?

 

[SSfox]

Now that's how you do it (sorry if posted already)

 

[FeiRR]

I honestly have no idea. That’s a great question. I’ve never plugged a headset into my controller. I just know headsets don’t use Bluetooth on PS cause they ship with that little USB stick transmitter thing. But the controllers to console connection uses BT

How do you know that? If you go by BT compatibility with PC, it could be the same as with Xbox which supports BT for PC but radio for console. You can also buy a radio dongle for PC which greatly extends the range of the controller. BT range is terrible, I get about 1.5m with both controllers.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I'm not sure I see why it's arrogant. Just being honest, it's marketing doing their job trying to sell a game to PC Gamers. It isn't like they're stating that it's the definitive version or anything.

I think only veteran with his delusions would think this port would be different night and day from PS4 version. Sony didn't even bother to have Guerrilla make the port and outsourced it to another dev, definitely the best choice given how HFW looks like. Throw a bone to PCMR and make them come to PS5.

 

[kyliethicc]

.If sony has for example sealed up a marketing deal Cod, are we talking a few weeks, a month a year here.

It can't surely be a year, they release that stuff yearly anyway don't they?

Let's say it was a month would that be enough to get a huge chunk of the box population that play Cod to move over to ps5.

Just trying to figure out the worth of such a deal. IT would be very expensive on sonys side to justify such a thing, would sales make up for it or am I missing something here.

Well Sony have spent this entire generation marketing CoD on PS4. Natural evolution of that strategy is to have a new CoD launch first on PS4/5.

They did it earlier this year with CoD MW2 campaign remastered launching early on PS4. Then they gave away COD WW2 on PS+, and now the MW2 remaster is free PS+ game this month. And they bought an entire year of exclusive content for 2019 COD. Plus various other marketing deals etc. They’re clearly close.

Only way to grow that relationship is to make COD a timed exclusive. Would be crazy news if true.

 

[LucidFlux]

I agree, and there’s gotta be a reason the new CoD hasnt been announced yet. Is Sony saving that announcement for their next PS5 event?

My thought exactly.

 

[LucidFlux]

4K 60FPs with cross platform play with the PS4?

And as a timed exclusive it would be pretty big for Sony.

Are you talking 5 or 6?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Are you talking 5 or 6?

PS5 with crossplatform play with PS4.

 

[Neo Blaster]

My best friend, and he has health issues due working currentgen version in crunch, stress etc. I dont if they will deliver. But they are giving everything trying right now. It wont be surprice for me if they delay launch again.

By what you said, better scrap current gen versions and launch day one with next gen.

 

[kyliethicc]

How do you know that? If you go by BT compatibility with PC, it could be the same as with Xbox which supports BT for PC but radio for console. You can also buy a radio dongle for PC which greatly extends the range of the controller. BT range is terrible, I get about 1.5m with both controllers.

In PS4 system settings, under devices, then Bluetooth devices, it list all Bluetooth connected devices. My DS4 controllers show up there as connected via Bluetooth in system device settings.

Edit. Also, found this for when they updated the DualShock 4 in 2016 for PS4 Pro. They added an option under controller settings to change connection method from Bluetooth to wired USB cable. I guess fighting game players prefer wired for less input lag. Seems to show it uses BT.

 

[Neo Blaster]

If anything, Minecraft will outlive Xbox.

Can't see why it wouldn't, the game didn't start with Xbox neither will end with it.

 

[ErRor88]

RNDA 1 is a bit behind Turing in IPC, judging from the information AMD has released so far RDNA 2 IPC should be better then Turing. 2080 level for PS5 GPU sounds about right. Xbox Series X would fall between 2080 Super and 2080Ti (closer to the Super).

What I don't get is why every comment that includes a comparison of the PS5 to XSX GPU always seems to downplay the XSX GPU. The XSX is stated to be 2080 TI or better.

Not to say it's you but this is in general the tone of most of these forums users.

 

[FeiRR]

In PS4 system settings, under devices, then Bluetooth devices, it list all Bluetooth connected devices. My DS4 controllers show up there as connected via Bluetooth in system device settings.

Also, when they updated the DualShock 4 in 2016 for PS4 Pro. They added an option under controller settings to change connection method from Bluetooth to wired USB cable. I guess fighting game players prefer wired for less input lag.

You're right, it's under BT devices. As for wired connection, it's not so obvious. There are tests which show that wired connection has more input lag. But those were measured with PC.

 

[LucidFlux]

PS5 with crossplatform play with PS4.

I meant in reference to GTA, I don't see the benefit to securing next gen limited exclusivity for GTA 5 as it will likely be backwards compatible and support cross gen play on both Series X and PS5 regardless. If their goal is to sell more software with these deals then targeting a game most people already have doesn't make as much sense to me. I could see it for GTA 6 though.

 

[Mr Moose]

Day one

 

[Codexer]

 

[Neo Blaster]

.If sony has for example sealed up a marketing deal Cod, are we talking a few weeks, a month a year here.

It can't surely be a year, they release that stuff yearly anyway don't they?

Let's say it was a month would that be enough to get a huge chunk of the box population that play Cod to move over to ps5.

Just trying to figure out the worth of such a deal. IT would be very expensive on sonys side to justify such a thing, would sales make up for it or am I missing something here.

Considering a new COD would already have been announced at this time(E3 would be in June), chances are Sony really have got themselves a timed exclusivity deal with Activision. Maybe six months for PS4/PS5, with the latter version showcased in the next event?

 

[kyliethicc]

You're right, it's under BT devices. As for wired connection, it's not so obvious. There are tests which show that wired connection has more input lag. But those were measured with PC.

Yeah I got no idea on input lag, but that’s Mark Cerny said when asked about changes made for PS4 Pro. He mentioned the wired option being preferred by some Street Fighter players etc. I guess it was impossible with the older DualShock 4s for the controller to send the input via the USB cable. So even when wired, it wasn’t really. But with the 2016 updated model, the controller can now communicate to the system via USB. Idk, I just play wireless.

 

[chigstoke]

Sony's new WH-1000XM4 have some built-in HRTF-like system that reads your ears and provide accordingly! Timestamped:





Is it implemented in the Pulse 3D? I would say more than likely. @Audiophile thurnishaleygw

Here’s a question for you PS guys, I have the 1000XM3, are they compatible wirelessly with PS or will they need to be cabled up? I love my set and if I could use them on PS5 that’d be fantastic.

 

[Gamernyc78]

This practice is good for us. Let them compete. Both companies need to be in survival mode. Current gen was good but it was the least exciting due to lack of competition.

I don't agree with "least exciting" Sony gave us a new way to play in the innovative psvr, many AAA goty winner and contender games and had their online up to par with the competition. This gen was very exciting and good to me.

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

In PS4 system settings, under devices, then Bluetooth devices, it list all Bluetooth connected devices. My DS4 controllers show up there as connected via Bluetooth in system device settings.

Edit. Also, found this for when they updated the DualShock 4 in 2016 for PS4 Pro. They added an option under controller settings to change connection method from Bluetooth to wired USB cable. I guess fighting game players prefer wired for less input lag. Seems to show it uses BT.

In testing (on Rocket League sub-reddit) the Wired has higher input latency than the Bluetooth implementation, which itself was ahead of any other controller.

Wired is helpful in busy Bluetooth areas like I guess you’d get in organised fighting game tournaments?

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

Here’s a question for you PS guys, I have the 1000XM3, are they compatible wirelessly with PS or will they need to be cabled up? I love my set and if I could use them on PS5 that’d be fantastic.

Bluetooth is trash for two way audio quality with good latency. There’s a reason it’s not used for gaming headsets. Even Sony's premium Bluetooth headphones won’t work on PS4. The technology isn’t good enough yet. Or wasn’t when PS4 was designed, anyway.

That PS5 Pulse 3D headphones use a custom wireless solution and USB dongle suggests it’s the same as PS4.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Here’s a question for you PS guys, I have the 1000XM3, are they compatible wirelessly with PS or will they need to be cabled up? I love my set and if I could use them on PS5 that’d be fantastic.

Not that good on PS4, but probably PS5?

 

[FeiRR]

Yeah I got no idea on input lag, but that’s Mark Cerny said when asked about changes made for PS4 Pro. He mentioned the wired option being preferred by some Street Fighter players etc. I guess it was impossible with the older DualShock 4s for the controller to send the input via the USB cable. So even when wired, it wasn’t really. But with the 2016 updated model, the controller can now communicate to the system via USB. Idk, I just play wireless.

Wired connection might be preferred by pros because at events you have a pandemonium of signals and interference from hundreds of devices. If you watch any esport event, those people prefer wired accessories.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Here’s a question for you PS guys, I have the 1000XM3, are they compatible wirelessly with PS or will they need to be cabled up? I love my set and if I could use them on PS5 that’d be fantastic.

You cannot connect it directly. However there are bluetooth dongles that are sold with this very purpose in mind, on one end there is a usb, which you connect to the PS, and on the other end there's a mini-jack conector that you put in your headphones. That way you can do it wirelessly. It's not ideal, because bluetooth is not great when working on various sources/devices and latency can be a bitch. But it's basically the only way you could do it.

And given that the Pulse 3D headset works with a USB dongle, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything vastly different on the PS5.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeah I got no idea on input lag, but that’s Mark Cerny said when asked about changes made for PS4 Pro. He mentioned the wired option being preferred by some Street Fighter players etc. I guess it was impossible with the older DualShock 4s for the controller to send the input via the USB cable. So even when wired, it wasn’t really. But with the 2016 updated model, the controller can now communicate to the system via USB. Idk, I just play wireless.

The DualShock 4 wireless input lag is incredibly low for some reason.

Pretty sure it's even lower than MS's new tech they've bragged about for next gen.

 

[Zathalus]

What I don't get is why every comment that includes a comparison of the PS5 to XSX GPU always seems to downplay the XSX GPU. The XSX is stated to be 2080 TI or better.

Not to say it's you but this is in general the tone of most of these forums users.

I'm not downplaying anything. The XSX is 12 Tflop. The 2080Ti is on average 16.5 Tflop. I believe RDNA 2 ipc will be higher then Turing based on released information from AMD, but not on the realm of 40% faster. I claimed the XSX gpu is a bit faster then the 2080 Super as both the XSX gpu and the average 2080 Super are 12 Tflop cards. With RDNA 2 having a bit higher IPC makes the XSX slightly faster then a 2080 Super. Neither console is matching a 2080ti anytime soon.

 

[Mr Moose]

I rarely use anything but headphones/headsets. I'm pretty excited for the Pulse 3D headset, and if the WH-1000XM4 makes better experience on PS5 then I'll go for than instead. The Tempest if it sees good success then expect it to be revised and implemented in their TV's and other entertainment products.

I wish they made an open backed version (without the noise cancelling shit)
I'll probably still get them though.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Because no matter the competition, Sony fanboys will refuse it due to their constant sucking of Sony's dick.

 

[splattered]

You guys are goofy... sorry but COD is WAY too big on Xbox for there to be any kind of true exclusivity deal here. It would be complete sales suicide for the franchise regardless of however much money Sony throws their way. Not happening.

That being said, maybe exclusive cosmetics or game modes or something sure... but it would be a waste of money just like Spiderman for the new Avengers game.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I wish they made an open backed version (without the noise cancelling shit)
I'll probably still get them though.

Open back headphones is where its at if you can use them and not disturb anyone.

A great starter pair for around $75 is the Phillips SHP9500

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I wish they made an open backed version (without the noise cancelling shit)
I'll probably still get them though.

Yeah when you're married it's kinda noisy for someone sleeping in the same room for an open back.

 

[icerock]

Some new footage of GhostWire: Tokyo.

Looks to be a new build, as the lighting appears to be improved along with the reflections.

 

[FeiRR]

I wish they made an open backed version (without the noise cancelling shit)
I'll probably still get them though.

Noise cancelling headsets usually have a switch to turn that feature off.

 

[Mr Moose]

Open back headphones is where its at if you can use them and not disturb anyone.

A great starter pair for around $75 is the Phillips SHP9500

I had my eye on a pair of those before the PS5 show (and the X2HRs, and Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro though I doubt I could power the last one properly).
I'll probably just get the Pulse 3Ds and sulk and hope the headset band doesn't break easily.

 

[ErRor88]

New AMD Patent discovered Optimized Primitive Shaders. This could be what the PS5 is using vs Mesh shaders.

OPTIMIZING PRIMITIVE SHADERS

Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.

www.freepatentsonline.com

 

[ErRor88]

I'm not downplaying anything. The XSX is 12 Tflop. The 2080Ti is on average 16.5 Tflop. I believe RDNA 2 ipc will be higher then Turing based on released information from AMD, but not on the realm of 40% faster. I claimed the XSX gpu is a bit faster then the 2080 Super as both the XSX gpu and the average 2080 Super are 12 Tflop cards. With RDNA 2 having a bit higher IPC makes the XSX slightly faster then a 2080 Super. Neither console is matching a 2080ti anytime soon.

From a TF perspective yes. But, from a performance standpoint, multiple source DF included stated that it's 2080 TI or higher.

 

[kyliethicc]

In testing (on Rocket League sub-reddit) the Wired has higher input latency than the Bluetooth implementation, which itself was ahead of any other controller.

Wired is helpful in busy Bluetooth areas like I guess you’d get in organised fighting game tournaments?

I wonder if those testing were using the 2016 spec DS4? I know Xbox claims their own radio connection has less lag than Bluetooth, but I don’t notice any when I play.

I’d be curious to know why Cerny said using USB reduces latency if it doesn’t. Maybe you’re right, it depends on wireless traffic.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

So much childishness.

This forum's complete inability to have any sort of conversation about Playstation that isn't praising them like the second coming of Christ is embaressing.

I'm not even "concerned"... I was just actually surprised to find that info out and shared it here.

Your point doesn’t make any sense..

Kena developer showed the game as it will be running on ps5.. they showed gameplay and by their choice the game will have pre-render cute scenes and not real-time ones.. is their artistic choice..

What you want Sony to do? You want them to say “No you can’t show your game cute scenes because they are not real time even if that’s the way you’ll ship the game in ps5. You se their will be some folks in forums that will be very concerned and confused because the cute scenes will not be representative of gameplay picture quality. And it doesn’t matter if you also show gameplay....”

Even more absurd is to cast shade on the inteire show because of this.. I think in here you are the only one being childish... to say the least...

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeah when you're married it's kinda noisy for someone sleeping in the same room for an open back.

I make my wife use noise cancelling headphones.

I go open back.

How the world should be!

 

[IntentionalPun]

Your point doesn’t make any sense..

Kena developer showed the game as it will be running on ps5.. they showed gameplay and by their choice the game will have pre-render cute scenes and not real-time ones.. is their artistic choice..

What you want Sony to do? You want them to say “No you can’t show your game cute scenes because they are not real time even if that’s the way you’ll ship the game in ps5. You se their will be some folks in forums that will be very concerned and confused because the cute scenes will not be representative of gameplay picture quality. And it doesn’t matter if you also show gameplay....”

Even more absurd is to cast shade on the inteire show because of this.. I think in here you are the only one being childish... to say the least...

My point wasn't even about Kena; and I'm not telling Sony they can't show a game because it has pre-rendered cutscenes.. I'd just personally like to know what of the show was real time, and after assuming the entire show was, I now have reason to doubt that.

That's it.. there's nothing more to the conversation other than you over-reacting to me pointing it out and making some assumption I'm a concern troll. I'd be ecstatic if for instance Horizon devs came out and said all of the Horizon stuff was real time.. it's not "concern trolling", it's me wishing I had more information and pointing out people clearly made an incorrect assumption about the presentation.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I make my wife use noise cancelling headphones.

I go open back.

How the world should be!

Good, now any solutions for my 2 years daughter? I sometimes in the middle of a game find her climbing from the bed behind me until she gets on the chair, then starts pulling the wires.