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[A.Romero]

This (in terms of impact on gaming) looks like fake news:

Tencent Loses $35bn after Trump Executive Order but Fortnite Should Be Fine

The WeChat executive order's fine print was ultimately vague, rumbling financial markets and indicating that after 45 days any transactions via WeChat from anyone inside the U.S. would be outlawed.

www.newsweek.com

So we banned their spy app and cost the plaguebearers tens of billions. Fantastic news.



They are currently genociding part of their population, including killing them for organ harvesting and farming them for hair. What is the US doing now comparable to that, aside from our tacit support of their barbarism through economic ties?



I don't agree with the current prison work system, so that whataboutism falls flat.

As in this moment I don't know but there are many things the US has done that would raise eyebrows. Sticking to actual declassified stuff what about supporting coups that go and actually commit genocide (Chile) or using illegal drug trafficking money to fund black ops (Nicaragua) or abandoning allies in the front? What do you think starting a war on the pretense of WMDs and finding none? You could argue that they are things that happened before but nobody has paid for any of that but you do have Manning in jail for leaking info (so the Justice system works for some, apparently).

At least in my opinion it's not much better just because it doesn't happen within your borders.

I'm not even saying it's Trump. It's systematic. It's not only your country, they are many if not all.

But whatever, let's start with privacy issues. Fine, ban tik tok but then take steps to stop spying like Snowden showed you (and probably everyone else) is being spied on. Be consistent and ban your own companies too.

Lead by example not just because you have the authority given by having the biggest sticks in the globe. Or fine, don't do it but at least recognize very few nations are in moral position that would allow you to criticize without seeming hypocritical.

 

[brian0057]

Anything that fucks over the Chinese Communist Party, is fine in my book.
Fuck those totalitarian cunts.

 

[Sub_Level]

This better not screw with my Legends of Runeterra addiction.

It won't screw with anything gaming related in any meaningful way. This order was a targeted measure against some chat app.

Epic Games, Fortnite, League of Legends ain't going anywhere lol

 

[StormCell]

Okay then well send back your phone, your computer parts, your television, you consoles, and some of your clothes. Either you learn to live to accept it, or you give up all your little toys. Practice what you preach if you're so high and mighty thinking that this is a good thing.

This is Trump throwing another temper-tantrum.

We'll sort things out with China and the market will adjust. This is how you deal with a bully who keeps lying to you and laughing in your face when you figure it out.

 

[John Wick]

where did I indicate that only American companies are allowed to buy stakes?

You said it would be better for Epic if Tencent wasn't involved? Why? Epic seem to be doing fine with Tencent

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Have any legal experts weighed in? It reads to me like it bans business related only to WeChat with Tencent, not all business with Tencent.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

That's fine and all but it just means that they don't comply with the west's particular understanding of how a government should behave.

It's too bad we don't know what the Chinese particular understanding of how a government should behave is since they aren't allowed to vote their government.

 

[Arimer]

I'm fine with banning this and more Chinese products until China plays by the same rules and offers US companies the same privileges in their country. They shouldn't get to be protectionist of their markets and expand into others that aren't.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Screw the Chicoms.

 

[infinitys_7th]

As in this moment I don't know but there are many things the US has done that would raise eyebrows. Sticking to actual declassified stuff what about supporting coups that go and actually commit genocide (Chile) or using illegal drug trafficking money to fund black ops (Nicaragua)

Things that happened decades ago, and the kind of thing the current administration has been pulling the US back out of while the establish screams to "stay the course". That's why the US State Department has no one playing puppetmaster with the world now.

or abandoning allies in the front?

Are you talking about the US helping terrorists in Syria to fight against one of the few secular, stable, and relatively peaceful Middle Eastern countries, or other similar "freedom fighters"? There is no difference between helping them and helping put Pinochet in power. Either one is interference in the sovereignty of another country. Regardless, that is odd to bring up after talking about our interventionism in CA/SA.

But whatever, let's start with privacy issues. Fine, ban tik tok but then take steps to stop spying like Snowden showed you (and probably everyone else) is being spied on. Be consistent and ban your own companies too.

Lead by example not just because you have the authority given by having the biggest sticks in the globe. Or fine, don't do it but at least recognize very few nations are in moral position that would allow you to criticize without seeming hypocritical.

We can, theoretically, elect people to end the NSA spying program (which is now legally defunct) and dismantle the Patriot Act. We have no control over foreign-state-owned corporations grabbing power in the US. Tencent is not a real company - it is just the Chinese government in disguise.

 

[magnumpy]

Valid point, but that's the problem. There needs to be manufacturing over here and elsewhere around the world. Maybe it's triple+++ the cost but we would pay it knowing we're not giving money to China. The more the OPs mentality is accepted the closer we can get to a more just reality.

experiment: launch your console abut then there will be an equivalent console launched from china for lets says even $1 cheaper. see which one sells better. I have a feeling that in the real world (not an internet forum) nationalistic self pride will have a value of $0.00

 

[infinitys_7th]

It’s not whataboutism because you accused one of two of slavery when both do it. It would be if I brought either a different subject or a different perpetrator.

They were not even comparable in scale. What's that comic that always gets brought up when people get tired of hearing about "social justice". . .oh, right. The US having slave-wage labor in prisons does not excuse the Chinese economy from being entirely built on it.

And for the move to have any moral merit, then the app must be banned, instead of “sold” to a domestic company.

The problem is not the app; it is the owner. The owner is a malicious foreign country. Requiring it to be sold solves the problem.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I The problem is not the app; it is the owner. The owner is a malicious foreign country. Requiring it to be sold solves the problem.

It’s stealing.

Just take the morals out of it, and then your argument will make sense.

It’s a protectionist measure being used as a bargaining chip. That’s all. There’s nothing about this that is being propelled in the name of what is good in the world.

 

[mcz117chief]

Is it possible for companies to buy themselves out of China? Could Riot Games or Epic somehow sever their ties with Tencent?

 

[infinitys_7th]

It’s stealing.

Just take the morals out of it, and then your argument will make sense.

It’s a protectionist measure being used as a bargaining chip. That’s all. There’s nothing about this that is being propelled in the name of what is good in the world.

How is it stealing? All they have to do is sell the app - they get money either way.

 

[A.Romero]

Things that happened decades ago, and the kind of thing the current administration has been pulling the US back out of while the establish screams to "stay the course". That's why the US State Department has no one playing puppetmaster with the world now.


Are you talking about the US helping terrorists in Syria to fight against one of the few secular, stable, and relatively peaceful Middle Eastern countries, or other similar "freedom fighters"? There is no difference between helping them and helping put Pinochet in power. Either one is interference in the sovereignty of another country. Regardless, that is odd to bring up after talking about our interventionism in CA/SA.



We can, theoretically, elect people to end the NSA spying program (which is now legally defunct) and dismantle the Patriot Act. We have no control over foreign-state-owned corporations grabbing power in the US. Tencent is not a real company - it is just the Chinese government in disguise.

That's great but there were drone strikes as recent as 2018. It's not only decades ago. If you feel the way America has behaved since WW2 has changed then that's great. I'm not that studied to argue that but I'm happy if it's so.

So let's leave it at: US was not in a moral position to criticize before but it's moving towards embodying the values that it has always preached.

Yes, I'm talking the US helping the terrorists in Syria and yes, precisely my point is that is not different from helping Pinochet. It's not odd, I'm just listing stuff that could be considered not a great example of how a nation should behave.

At least in my opinion you are right, theoretically. However, wouldn't be true freedom if there was accountability? What's the actual deterrent to commit illegal acts if at the end nobody takes responsibility for those programs? What's the guarantee it's not happening now or won't happen again? There is at least influence from corporations in the US government. There are many examples, I know you know them. From an outsiders perspective, the US belongs to corporations which could be worse than belonging to a political party.

My point is none of this is right and it's very important for everyone to see China sucks but our own countries are not faring much better (at least in my opinion). We should strive for more and that means don't look at our own stuff through rose tinted glasses.

 

[Thirty7ven]

How is it stealing? All they have to do is sell the app - they get money either way.

Are you fucking kidding now?!

 

[Jboemios]

lol, Mainland Chinese people are really nationalistic, especially the less developed areas (think of them like the Trump red states base).
I understand his sentiment, especially due to the current political climate. I think right now, especially for White dudes, it is a bit more difficult.
But it really depends on where they are and the personality of the person as well.

Hell, I really want to go back to China after the COVID situation but even I am a bit weary because of geopolitics. :/




Agreed, I was teaching some kids about racism and I brought these examples up as well.
The problem with China is that the public consciousness on race is not as advanced as the West. In China most things are based on stereotypes and they are not PC enough about race.
For example, a lot of Black dudes can only do limited things in China that are stereotypical for Black dudes such as being a DJ, hip-hop, break dancing, working at a bar or club, etc.
These all need to be improved upon, but it will probably never catch up to the West due simply to the fact that many large Western nations have relied on immigrants for so many years, there has been a ton harmonization of the culture over time. China needs to do the same, but who knows how long it will take to social condition the majority of the population.




It is more protectionism and not really about communism.
What Trump is doing is reciprocity. The Chinese wants to strengthen the Chinese companies enough to compete with the American companies, but now some of the companies are already there. There is more apparent aiding and protection by the Chinese government of Chinese companies, but now Trump is doing the same for America.

Mods, can you track the ip of this guy. I bet this is write from China

 

[infinitys_7th]

experiment: launch your console abut then there will be an equivalent console launched from china for lets says even $1 cheaper. see which one sells better. I have a feeling that in the real world (not an internet forum) nationalistic self pride will have a value of $0.00

What effect have labels like "organic", "all-natural", "locally-grown", "non-GMO", etc. made on how products sell? All of these are meaningless in any real sense. For example, organic produce are identical to non-organic ones in blind taste tests. Yet people look for these labels and pay more for what is functionally, to them, the same tomato. It slices the same, tastes the same (as studies prove), and the organic tomato actually rots quicker than the alternative. The same goes for labels like "green", "fair trade", etc. But these labels actually work and enable companies to sell functionally identical products for higher prices.

There is no reason that "US-made" could not be crafted to be similar. All it takes is the right logo and the right PR. And unlike any of those other labels (except for "locally-grown", which is similar) it actually benefits the US economy.

That's great but there were drone strikes as recent as 2018. It's not only decades ago. If you feel the way America has behaved since WW2 has changed then that's great. I'm not that studied to argue that but I'm happy if it's so.

We did, unfortunately, but those were winded down and were targeted attacks against ISIS, a problem the US created. Our dronings have declined significantly since then, with the only recent one being against Soleimani in retaliation for an attack on a US embassy (a war crime). The US has not droned weddings and parties in years, thankfully, and hopefully we get away from it entirely once we get out of Afghanistan.

Yes, I'm talking the US helping the terrorists in Syria and yes, precisely my point is that is not different from helping Pinochet. It's not odd, I'm just listing stuff that could be considered not a great example of how a nation should behave.

It just didn't make sense to bring up our pulling out of Syria as a negative while also criticizing propping up Pinochet or other coups in CA/SA.

At least in my opinion you are right, theoretically. However, wouldn't be true freedom if there was accountability? What's the actual deterrent to commit illegal acts if at the end nobody takes responsibility for those programs? What's the guarantee it's not happening now or won't happen again? There is at least influence from corporations in the US government. There are many examples, I know you know them. From an outsiders perspective, the US belongs to corporations which could be worse than belonging to a political party.

My point is none of this is right and it's very important for everyone to see China sucks but our own countries are not faring much better (at least in my opinion). We should strive for more and that means don't look at our own stuff through rose tinted glasses.

Then people who feel like that in the US need to do something about it - they have the tools needed through our democratic system. You are just making the problem worse when you allow a completely unaccountable authority to take over vital parts of the United States. Tencent is a state actor, not an company seeking profit.

Are you fucking kidding now?!

If it was stealing, the US would have seized WeChat's US infrastructure and redistributed it to others. We are telling them to either sell it or leave. That is not theft by any definition.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Oh nooo! What are Addison Rae and Charli D'Amelio to do now?

 

[tsumake]

That's great but there were drone strikes as recent as 2018. It's not only decades ago. If you feel the way America has behaved since WW2 has changed then that's great. I'm not that studied to argue that but I'm happy if it's so.

So let's leave it at: US was not in a moral position to criticize before but it's moving towards embodying the values that it has always preached.

Yes, I'm talking the US helping the terrorists in Syria and yes, precisely my point is that is not different from helping Pinochet. It's not odd, I'm just listing stuff that could be considered not a great example of how a nation should behave.

At least in my opinion you are right, theoretically. However, wouldn't be true freedom if there was accountability? What's the actual deterrent to commit illegal acts if at the end nobody takes responsibility for those programs? What's the guarantee it's not happening now or won't happen again? There is at least influence from corporations in the US government. There are many examples, I know you know them. From an outsiders perspective, the US belongs to corporations which could be worse than belonging to a political party.

My point is none of this is right and it's very important for everyone to see China sucks but our own countries are not faring much better (at least in my opinion). We should strive for more and that means don't look at our own stuff through rose tinted glasses.

Are you in a moral position to criticize the US?

 

[tsumake]

Mods, can you track the ip of this guy. I bet this is write from China

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

All you staunch defenders of china should watch Winnie the Poo outside the imperial garden

 

[RJMacready73]

Look everyone in the sane world knows the US is as corrupt as get out, your politics and entire capitalist trod on the little guy mentality along with a fucking shambles of a political system means you ain't no fucking nun and certainly not the greatest country in the world but you are not the fucking Chinese, who are a whole other level of fuckedupness above you guys, sure they havent started countless needless wars but the very fact that they are an authoritarian 1 party country with zero human empathy or rights who want to control every fucking thing around them means i'd rather have the US run shit than the Chinese, at least you guys attempt to hold your government to account but the CCP, they're some James bond baddie shit and Trumps constant attacks on them is the only thing that tangerine fucking buffoon gets right

 

[A.Romero]

Are you in a moral position to criticize the US?

Of course not. My point is that most nations are not in a position to criticize no one. Recognizing that is the starting point towards improving.

The US has the most powerful army in the world. Probably the best intelligence agencies as well. They can call the shots and they have done it for a long time. It's fine but let's call things like they are and not try to pass any measure against China as a moral stance.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Absolutely! Just commenting on the gaming piece since this is in the gaming forum. Disney and their heavy censorship and bullshit like removing/shrinking black people from movie posters too for the China market, while we're at it. It's insane how much China has affected the US sports and entertainment industries.

TBF both of these can be explained as something other than being racist. Black Panther is known mainly for his full get-up, it's possible the Chinese marketing firm wanted to communicate more that this is, in fact, Black Panther, and went with the mask since it's part of his identity (and completes it).

As for Star Wars one? Well, TBF I think they just went more with resizing his character graphic on the poster to make in more in line with the stature of his character in the film. The early TFA material in the West did imply Finn was going to be the main character but eventually we found out that wasn't the case (in hindsight though, he probably should've been). Disney probably was more honest about the character roles to the Chinese marketing firm and that probably went into their decision with the redesigned poster which, as you can see, also features the arm of Stormtroopers more prominently.

I'm not here to make excuses for China; they actually have done some messed-up shit in terms of human rights violations and also how they treated some African foreigners during their COVID lockdown stuff, even trying to insinuate the virus came from them (granted this all happened in one specific district, forgot it's name, but it really shouldn't have happened at all which is the point). But I don't think it's really necessary to pin all of these kind of decisions in terms of the marketing posters etc., as being due to racism.

If anything, we should point more of the finger at Disney for somewhat questionable changes in marketing material differences between China and the West. I bet they never engaged in ANY of the fan-attacking mudslinging towards Chinese viewers that they constantly did leading up to The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker over in these parts. Just one of the many reasons I'm happy Disney as a company is going through financial catastrophe right now and for the foreseeable future. They've earned every single failure.

 

[Jboemios]

Look everyone in the sane world knows the US is as corrupt as get out, your politics and entire capitalist trod on the little guy mentality along with a fucking shambles of a political system means you ain't no fucking nun and certainly not the greatest country in the world but you are not the fucking Chinese, who are a whole other level of fuckedupness above you guys, sure they havent started countless needless wars but the very fact that they are an authoritarian 1 party country with zero human empathy or rights who want to control every fucking thing around them means i'd rather have the US run shit than the Chinese, at least you guys attempt to hold your government to account but the CCP, they're some James bond baddie shit and Trumps constant attacks on them is the only thing that tangerine fucking buffoon gets right

I would prefer that EU runs the World, but between USA and China, I choose the USA

 

[Chittagong]

I mean, Google, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter are all banned in China.

Someone please remind me why Chinese services should be allowed in the USA?

List of websites blocked in mainland China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Awesome!!!! Fornite will have problems

Thanks Trump

 

[tsumake]

Of course not. My point is that most nations are not in a position to criticize no one. Recognizing that is the starting point towards improving.

You’re really vacillating between sentiments and opinions, but ok. Peace, man.

 

[tsumake]

I would prefer that EU runs the World, but between USA and China, I choose the USA

Why the EU?

 

[Tesseract]

 

[thief183]

You’re really vacillating between sentiments and opinions, but ok. Peace, man.

I would choose China, over USA any day, EU still preferred.

What if in EU we van all transaction with US? That would be awesone.

 

[oagboghi2]

How am I not surprised that NeoGAF has a boner for a man that bragged about passing a basic cognitive test and described 1000 Americans dying per day as “it is what it is”.

Trump could literally spit in an Americans mouth and they’d still lick his boots.

The only reason Trump wants to ban Tik Tok is because people used it to troll him into setting up a massive rally that barely anyone attended. He wants revenge and this is It.

TikTok Teens and K-Pop Stans Say They Sank Trump Rally (Published 2020)

Did a successful prank inflate attendance expectations for President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla.?

www.nytimes.com

He’s not doing it for you over privacy or data concerns. If he did then you’re own government wouldn’t be spying on you either.

I'm shocked people are stupid enough to believe this.

Than again, democrats

 

[Zangiefy360]

Promises made, promises kept! Thank god we finally have a leader that is tough on China.

The China problem is going to take decades to fix because no one else cared until President Trump.

 

[Zangiefy360]

How am I not surprised that NeoGAF has a boner for a man that bragged about passing a basic cognitive test and described 1000 Americans dying per day as “it is what it is”.

Trump could literally spit in an Americans mouth and they’d still lick his boots.

The only reason Trump wants to ban Tik Tok is because people used it to troll him into setting up a massive rally that barely anyone attended. He wants revenge and this is It.

TikTok Teens and K-Pop Stans Say They Sank Trump Rally (Published 2020)

Did a successful prank inflate attendance expectations for President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla.?

www.nytimes.com

He’s not doing it for you over privacy or data concerns. If he did then you’re own government wouldn’t be spying on you either.

Citing the New York Times? Step away from your computer, LeftThumbstick , you're making yourself miserable.

 

[Stitch]

Absolutely! Just commenting on the gaming piece since this is in the gaming forum. Disney and their heavy censorship and bullshit like removing/shrinking black people from movie posters too for the China market, while we're at it. It's insane how much China has affected the US sports and entertainment industries.

that's the black panther poster for hong kong, the mainland posters look like this

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[Bryank75]

Other place right now.

 

[tsumake]

Posting this to contribute to the conversation.

 

[Jboemios]

Why the EU?

I think they are more "human". I dont know how to explain it

 

[oagboghi2]

Shut up and stop with the nonsense. How does what the hell you said relate to that tweet or my example. False equivalency my ass. Firstly the tweet was about a country being able to target and track officials. Secondly my data is being sent to the US too. Political ideology aside can you tell me the difference?

The simple fact is people don't like this because it's China. It has nothing to do with some security flaw or possibility that doesn't exist on the other software/tech you use.

The difference is your data is being sent to a CCP government server without your consent. Not just data around the app, literally everything on the phone.

Comparing it to other companies is bullshit. Facebook doesn't copy my keystrokes, or bank account information, and send it to China. Other companies allow you to actually turn off many data sharing features, such as location services. TikTok does not.

TikTok copies all of your phone hardware information,

it keeps a track of all the apps you have ever downloaded to that phone(even Google and Apple don't do that)

It keeps a copy of your network information (ip, local up, router max, your WiFi access point and the password)

It pings your GPS location every 30 seconds and sends that data out to China. Which means that yes the CCP could track anyone with that app installed. And no, you can't turn it off.

and yes dummy, I know what you are going to say. "What about Google/apple maps" those services ping your location on request. They don't give that information out to any government sans a warrant, and you can easily turn them off.

Also, and this is the real kicker, the Android version can't be debugged or reverse engineered. Their is code on that version that allows them to send a zip file to anyone with the app(without you knowing) that can be opened and executed. Why would the app allow such a huge security flaw?


Many apps request and collect data. No one is denying this. However, none of the FAANG companies operate this way, and collect data like this. How TikTok operates is what is landing then, deservedly, in trouble. if you ever, criticized how companies here collect data, and defend TikTok, you are a huge fucking hypocrite.

 

[Halo is Back]

 

[tsumake]

I think they are more "human". I dont know how to explain it

 

[oagboghi2]

Must be for national security reas- Lol no

Lol yes.

 

[DESTROYA]

So people are OK with CHINA banning US companies but not the other way around ?

 

[Three]

The difference is your data is being sent to a CCP government server without your consent. Not just data around the app, literally everything on the phone.

Comparing it to other companies is bullshit. Facebook doesn't copy my keystrokes, or bank account information, and send it to China. Other companies allow you to actually turn off many data sharing features, such as location services. TikTok does not.

TikTok copies all of your phone hardware information,

it keeps a track of all the apps you have ever downloaded to that phone(even Google and Apple don't do that)

It keeps a copy of your network information (ip, local up, router max, your WiFi access point and the password)

It pings your GPS location every 30 seconds and sends that data out to China. Which means that yes the CCP could track anyone with that app installed. And no, you can't turn it off.

and yes dummy, I know what you are going to say. "What about Google/apple maps" those services ping your location on request. They don't give that information out to any government sans a warrant, and you can easily turn them off.

Also, and this is the real kicker, the Android version can't be debugged or reverse engineered. Their is code on that version that allows them to send a zip file to anyone with the app(without you knowing) that can be opened and executed. Why would the app allow such a huge security flaw?


Many apps request and collect data. No one is denying this. However, none of the FAANG companies operate this way, and collect data like this. How TikTok operates is what is landing then, deservedly, in trouble. if you ever, criticized how companies here collect data, and defend TikTok, you are a huge fucking hypocrite.

can you show me proof of it doing any of this? If it did any of this it would be detected by googles anti malware and removed from the Play store. No it's still up on the Google play store. Guess where it isn't up, India. Because the government requested its removal. They also requested removal of 59 other Chinese apps. Want to know something else about India?

Why India wants to track WhatsApp messages

The government wants to monitor and intercept social media messages in order to combat fake news.

www.bbc.co.uk

You can stop any app on android accessing your location when not using it. I'm not defending tiktok I'm saying there is this hypocrisy with other apps that have the same possibilities for governments to abuse. If tiktok was doing the shit you are suggesting then it would be removed from the play store here too.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

But this hasn't happened. It's hypothetical scaremongering that is no different to what we have now. What stops google doing this with your android phone? Nothing. Should all countries stop selling android phones?

What about Facebook? Should we ban facebook everywhere?

In fact we have evidence that it has happened from US companies from the Snowden leaks years ago.



Clearly this isn't about ideology it's about keeping Chinese companies down because they are branching out to popular tech and big data services. Huawei, tiktok, tencent. You will see more and more excuses and scaremongering to not allow these Chinese companies to get a foothold.

They can get a foothold wherever they want, just not the USA. Boo F’n Hoo. Every country has a right to do what’s best for them and their people. Fuck China, Fuck the China Flu, and fuck ten cent.

 

[yurqqa]

Anything that fucks over the Chinese Communist Party, is fine in my book.
Fuck those totalitarian cunts.

Yeah. But in this case totalitarian cunts are fucked by a totalitarian wannabe. But you could be happy for now.

 

[Three]

They can get a foothold wherever they want, just not the USA. Boo F’n Hoo. Every country has a right to do what’s best for them and their people. Fuck China, Fuck the China Flu, and fuck ten cent.

Sure if you believe in isolation and nationalism. Just pray other countries don't start doing the same for US software and services.

 

[00_Zer0]

Other place right now.

Yeah, it's funny but true. Reeeeeseterror can scream all they want, but the truth is this President isn't the problem, this country isn't the problem. It's people like those involved in things like the SJW movement , cancel culture, and identity politics that are the problem. It's a pervasive evil that would follow them to another planet should they all go there and would remain a problem, because they are the problem.

Here's a song and lyrics from a Sam Phillips song called Animal's on Wheel's that paints an even darker reality along the sentiment you shared:

Some want to leave us and go to another planet
And blow up the earth
They'd still be murderous, lying and they'd want it all for whatever it's worth