Elcid
Banned
This is dumb. One of my buddies in the military with some security clearance isn't allowed to even have TikTok on his phone, I doubt Pentagon officials are allowed too.
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Trump signs executive order banning transactions with Tencent
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This is dumb. One of my buddies in the military with some security clearance isn't allowed to even have TikTok on his phone, I doubt Pentagon officials are allowed too.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Sure is a shame that both parties have ceded incresingly more and more power to the Executive Branch over the past 30 years.
Yoboman
Member
I mean aren't most CEOs in America tied to a political party as well?Ma Huateng is CEO, Chairman, Co-Founder and 9.7% holder of Tencent. He is also a member of the Chinese Communist Party who has an active role at the highest level of Government.
LeftThumbstick
Member
How am I not surprised that NeoGAF has a boner for a man that bragged about passing a basic cognitive test and described 1000 Americans dying per day as “it is what it is”.
Trump could literally spit in an Americans mouth and they’d still lick his boots.
The only reason Trump wants to ban Tik Tok is because people used it to troll him into setting up a massive rally that barely anyone attended. He wants revenge and this is It.
www.nytimes.com
He’s not doing it for you over privacy or data concerns. If he did then you’re own government wouldn’t be spying on you either.
Trump could literally spit in an Americans mouth and they’d still lick his boots.
The only reason Trump wants to ban Tik Tok is because people used it to troll him into setting up a massive rally that barely anyone attended. He wants revenge and this is It.
TikTok Teens and K-Pop Stans Say They Sank Trump Rally (Published 2020)
Did a successful prank inflate attendance expectations for President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla.?
He’s not doing it for you over privacy or data concerns. If he did then you’re own government wouldn’t be spying on you either.
Kittehkraken
Member
America doesn't send people who speak up against the Government to reeducation gulags. China does.
You know, a slight difference.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Couldn't agree more. Maybe not 30 years but certainly Dubya and Obama.Sure is a shame that both parties have ceded incresingly more and more power to the Executive Branch over the past 30 years.
Yoboman
Member
Megatron
Member
If they wanted to sell then they could, so no, I would think being forced to sell when you don’t want to is a bad thing.
its similar to when Donald Sterling was forced to sell the Clippers. Yes, he got $2 billion, but he didn’t want to sell.
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Amiga
Member
AFAIK chips are mostly made in Taiwan, China is mostly an assembly location. the sophisticated stuff is made in Taiwan/S.Korea/Japan. hardly any essential component is made only in China. most likely effect is prices increase. but on the other hand more manufacturing jobs could be created.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
good give tencent the tick tock treatment break it up to where they have little control or no influence or present at all.
Yoboman
Member
I think the issue with selling stock generally is that you guarantee damaging that company by doing that. Your own investors also get concerned if there is an issue that required the sell off. There are probably clauses in contracts preventing that kind of action as well
This is like permission to get your return on investment to be paid out in full
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
And pretty much every other govt whistleblower ever.
mickaus
Member
Why would anyone at the Pentagon be into Tiktok? They deserve to be hacked if they are.
Ma Huateng is CEO, Chairman, Co-Founder and 9.7% holder of Tencent. He is also a member of the Chinese Communist Party who has an active role at the highest level of Government.
You know, I gotta ask: source?
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Megatron
Member
If No company is allowed to do business with Ten Cent then how can they sell? And if the sale is allowed, does it diminish what they can sell for, since they *have* to sell?
the_master
Member
Shocking to see how many american players are happy with this just because Trump said it. This is a massive blow at the games industry. Hundreds of american developers will be affected. Quality and quantity of games will be impacted worldwide...
Kittehkraken
Member
His role in Tencent is on the main website:
Tencent - Tencent 腾讯
腾讯于1998年11月成立，是一家互联网公司，通过技术丰富互联网用户的生活，助力企业数字化升级。我们的使命是“用户为本 科技向善”。Founded in 1998, Tencent is an Internet-based platform company using technology to enrich the lives of Internet users and assist the digital upgrade of enterprises. Our mission is "Value for Users, Tech for Good".
www.tencent.com
His stake is anywhere from 7-10% depending on the article (9.7 is the most commonly quoted). He recently sold some shares for a few....billion.
And Ma is part of Congress in China. Its not a secret.
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How?
Kittehkraken
Member
A.Romero
Member
Pretty much everyone that's part of the elite is basically required to join the CCP.
I'm not American but at least in my perception it makes no sense to hate on China considering how the the US government behaves.
Just as US can justify having something like Guantanamo Bay or putting illegal immigrant's kids on cages, the Chinese government (from their own perspective) can justify pretty much any human right violation they could commit.
Just as there are Americans that think that arresting people from the streets by using mercenaries is ok because it's to protect private property from protesters, there are Chinese that are OK with suppressing dissidence in lieu of order or nationwide economic success.
Killing threats to the establishment? Both countries... Unless you think Epstein really killed himself.
This is in no way intended to offend. Quite the opposite. The world should not have any society that behaves like that but regretfully it is the hay most nations are.
If we can only see injustice in others we will never be able to change things.
If the excuse is a security concern or retaliation for human right violations, Trump should make a real effort to resolve those very same issues at home first or at least at the same time.
Remember, Chinese didn't steal the manufacturing industry from the rest of the world, companies looking to make profit gave it away and us as consumers enabled them by buying cheap.
Humanity has never been even close to the concept of integrity and justice we would like to be. We should accept that we are not capable and shut up or actually do something different.
Personally, I don't think it's in us to be better.
Yoboman
Member
Two things can be bad
TheMay30thMan
Member
I have a feeling that games will see an increase in quality without tencent. Less microtransactions, loot boxes, and all that garbage. Plus Epic games might lose the funding that keeps their exclusivity deals going. That would be a huge win.
Talk about grimdark. It’s almost as if no one is allowed to express an opinion about anything if their country did something wrong.
What about 'whataboutism'?
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?
www.merriam-webster.com
A.Romero
Member
Talk about grimdark. It’s almost as if no one is allowed to express an opinion about anything if their country did something wrong.
What about 'whataboutism'?
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?
Only if you think policy against China is not at least based on hypocrisy.
Individually there is not much that can be done but at least you could recognize that there is not a lot China did or does that the US has done at least on some level.
Kittehkraken
Member
Talk about grimdark. It’s almost as if no one is allowed to express an opinion about anything if their country did something wrong.
What about 'whataboutism'?
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?
Nah, its fine. The US Government has done shitty things so we must turn a blind eye to China.
the_master
Member
Except this funding makes games. Exclusivity deals help fund games, making them exsist, or become better than without it.
So it is basically the oposite of what you said.
A politician could ban lootboxes, gatcha and any kind of gambling strategy. I would be fine with that, but banning deals with other countries for their economy wars... At least son't pretend it has to do with rights.
TheAssist
Member
Does this even effect the companies Tencent has stakes in? I dont know nothing about this, but just because they have stock there doesnt need to be any transaction between them.When I buy an epic product, that money does not go to tencent directly and epic doesnt pay them anything. Epics stock might go up or down, but thats not an actual transaction or is it?
And its not like this order will stay for ever. Tencent just needs to sit this out.
But please enlighten me, didnt have time to read the thread.
And its not like this order will stay for ever. Tencent just needs to sit this out.
But please enlighten me, didnt have time to read the thread.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Someone has the balls to stand up to China? Its hard to believe.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Very ballsy move. However hard to see how China wouldn’t retaliate on Apple for Tencent and Tiktok.
Virex
Banned
He is also a big time poes
TheMay30thMan
Member
The money from microtransactions and loot boxes goes towards gaas games. Personally, I don’t have a problem with seeing them go. If banning business with tencent cuts down that type of stuff, even by a small margin, I’m all for it.
The exclusivity money from EGS doesn’t fund games. It just gives developers a guaranteed set amount of money upon arrival. Both Epic and subsequent developers have said that. It’s more of a safety net.
I never said it had anything to do with rights.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
2 wrongs make a right?
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Yes they’re both bad.
But one targets groups of people because of their race.
The other targets individuals because of their actions.
Now guess which one was done by the CCP and which by the American govt.
Yoboman
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Black_Stride
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yes exactly, someone understands. Great point.
Yoboman
Member
One targets groups of people because of their race.
Oh like Border Detention Camps and Guantanamo Bay? How about the overpopulated prison system and burgeoning private prison systems extracting forced labour from disproportionately black and brown prisoners?
Elog
Member
I do not understand some of you - tough on China? This has nothing to do with that since all that is being done is blocking two small consumer oriented software eco-systems.
This is 100% a PR stunt. Hence the 45 day timeline to maximise the amount of back and forth to mislead people such as in this thread to believe he is tough on China.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Trump is not responsible for what your Democratic candidate and party did. Sorry. And also the Democrats are the party of the KKK. Sorry.
Kamala Harris office sought to keep inmates locked up so that California could use them for cheap labor - Washington Examiner
Lawyers under the oversight of then-Attorney General of California Kamala Harris argued in 2014 against the release of nonviolent criminals because they wanted to keep them for cheap labor. “Extending 2-for-1 credits to all minimum custody inmates at this time would severely impact fire camp...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Twinguistics
Member
Can someone please explain why Trump cares about human rights in China but not at all in his own country? You know, the one he is in charge of?
Yoboman
Member
Who said anything about Trump? Gee you guys are jumpyTrump is not responsible for what your Democratic candidate and party did. Sorry. And also the Democrats are the party of the KKK. Sorry.
Kamala Harris office sought to keep inmates locked up so that California could use them for cheap labor - Washington Examiner
Lawyers under the oversight of then-Attorney General of California Kamala Harris argued in 2014 against the release of nonviolent criminals because they wanted to keep them for cheap labor. “Extending 2-for-1 credits to all minimum custody inmates at this time would severely impact fire camp...
And I hate Democrats about as much as Trump
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yes they’re both bad.
But one targets groups of people because of their race.
The other targets individuals because of their actions.
Now guess which one was done by the CCP and which by the American govt.
Do you really want to get into this?
Trump is not responsible for what your Democratic candidate and party did. Sorry. And also the Democrats are the party of the KKK. Sorry.
Kamala Harris office sought to keep inmates locked up so that California could use them for cheap labor - Washington Examiner
Lawyers under the oversight of then-Attorney General of California Kamala Harris argued in 2014 against the release of nonviolent criminals because they wanted to keep them for cheap labor. “Extending 2-for-1 credits to all minimum custody inmates at this time would severely impact fire camp...
So still the US?
LouisVuitton
Banned
India also banned TikTok any many other chinese apps.How am I not surprised that NeoGAF has a boner for a man that bragged about passing a basic cognitive test and described 1000 Americans dying per day as “it is what it is”.
Trump could literally spit in an Americans mouth and they’d still lick his boots.
The only reason Trump wants to ban Tik Tok is because people used it to troll him into setting up a massive rally that barely anyone attended. He wants revenge and this is It.
TikTok Teens and K-Pop Stans Say They Sank Trump Rally (Published 2020)
Did a successful prank inflate attendance expectations for President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla.?
He’s not doing it for you over privacy or data concerns. If he did then you’re own government wouldn’t be spying on you either.
You liberals need to stop your hate boner for Trump once and look at what China does. Although that doesn't mean Google, etc is any better when it comes to syping.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Oh so you have no real stance on anything. You’re probably the type that criticizes everything without offering solutions. Good to know.Who said anything about Trump? Gee you guys are jumpy
And I hate Democrats about as much as Trump
Deflecting without answering. LOL
So far your whataboutism comparing US policies on an a individual for their actions equates it to the CCP’s policies on a group of people for their race was REAL SMART.
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Flintty
Member
I’ve never heard of defence staff being told what they can and can’t install on their personal device. They can have restrictions on where they’re allowed to take that device though.
But yeah, it’s not a conspiracy, the threat is real. But people gotta have their tiktoks and internet fame
