Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Wait, Tencent bad right?
But Trump bad too.
So Tencent good now?
But Trump bad too.
So Tencent good now?
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Trump signs executive order banning transactions with Tencent
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Shifty1897
Member
This is a victory for everyone except China.
Then simply don't buy those products but why should other people who may be comfortable using them be prevented. If whatever country you reside in banned iOS, Android, facebook or even Gaf would you be ok?
SentientStone
Member
I did live in China recently for 4-5 years recently.
The Western narrative is too dualistic; they focus on half-truths and then they put a spin on it without focusing on the reasons and background of whatever it is they are highlighting.
Then they ignite some preexisting fears and anger based on real circumstances and emotions of parts of the Western public consciousness. America is in competition with China so it is understandable that they are doing this and it is understandable for Western citizens to stick with their team. Ideally China should open up more for Western companies, but it is a bit complicated for social media and other corporations that can influence public consciousness so easily. I am unfortunately stuck in the middle as an ethnically Chinese dude who grew up in the West.
Why’s housing so expensive in Vancouver?
It's definitely not because of communism.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Yeah I think I'd live without those.
I don't really care what the others might be comfortable with. The less influence china has the better. Of course, it has to be done within reason. No one's going to argue that.
I did live in China recently for 4-5 years recently.
The Western narrative is too dualistic; they focus on half-truths and then they put a spin on it without focusing on the reasons and background of whatever it is they are highlighting.
Then they ignite some preexisting fears and anger based on real circumstances and emotions of parts of the Western public consciousness. America is in competition with China so it is understandable that they are doing this and it is understandable for Western citizens to stick with their team. Ideally China should open up more for Western companies, but there it is complicated for social media and other corporations that can influence public consciousness so easily. I am unfortunately stuck in the middle as an ethnically Chinese dude who grew up in the West.
It's definitely not because of communism.
Hmm... it must because somebody’s buying up a lot of properties at higher than normal values. I wonder who.....
SentientStone
Member
Hmm... it must because somebody’s buying up a lot of properties at higher than normal values. I wonder who.....
But who turned the blind eye for years so that the prices soared and they profited?
Now the Western elites are trying to redirect this anger against China.
mortal
Gold Member
The fuck?
ThatOneGrunt
Member
If you’re worried about security issues, look up Chinese adtech firms. Tincent isn’t the source of all Chinese data mining.
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Craig of War
Banned
What does this even mean? will it actually impact game development with Unreal Engine nobody knows and don't worry guys he will be out of office by november so the next president will reverse all of his bullshit policy.
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IfuckinghateReddit
Banned
It's definitely not because of communism.
No, it's all the Chinese people who moved there, fleeing the very CCP you're defending.
00_Zer0
Member
Stop the conspiracy theories and face the truth. We are not living out some hyper woke, hyper partison article from Vox, Vice, or The Atlantic. This has nothing to do with China wanting Trump to win. Since Trump started being tougher on China, especially post pandemic, more countries are speaking out on what relying on China has cost their country as well. More and more countries are trying to rally together and stop China from taking over other countries through spying, intellectual theft, or through financial means.
UK calls on EU for tougher approach on China
Germany and EU must get tougher on China
Also, who said anything about Trump being smart? The man has reasonable intelligence and he has always had this vision since his early days on television (80's-90's) when speaking out against American companies selling out to China or the dangers of doing so.
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ScarletSpider
Banned
But who turned the blind eye for years so that the prices soared and they profited?
Now the Western elites are trying to redirect this anger against China.
Oh, Canada
What’s your source on this?
Shmunter
Member
Is this you Joe?
Bryank75
Banned
Chairman: Mr Ma is a deputy to the 13th National People’s Congress.
BRZBlue
Member
Tencent - Wikipedia
Give me a bit and I can get back to you with the list of mostly banks that own most of the rest.
Tencent - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Give me a bit and I can get back to you with the list of mostly banks that own most of the rest.
Interesting.
Who owns Naspers?
SentientStone
Member
Too simplistic. Very early on some were fleeing the CCP revolution; later on it is Hong Kong, portions of the Mainland upper-class, and other developed Asian nations immigrating willfully for whatever reason; and recently it is more average Mainlanders immigrating. Some of whom are really wealthy and want to protect their wealth, but mostly they are just average citizens. In China there is much more government control over certain aspects of the capital market, but there are still lots of people getting rich due to the size of the population. The CCP is also trying to crack down on some illegal money laundering which it is not good for those Chinese who were doing it. It's all quite complicated, different Chinese have a different opinion of China and the CCP. But the current anti-CCP stance is making the average Mainlander more patriotic I would say.
Right now I am just viewing everything as a reality show, the political situation is quite interesting, and the West has much greater influence over global media and opinion than China due to a variety of factors.
EDIT: Of course, the CCP, like every government, have their own factions and a certain level of corruption... and I am sure many rules we have in the West and other stuff are totally different or non-existent... but ya, I have no idea how that shit works.
Right now China is trying to change their global image, but it is going to take time and sometimes they try too hard so it backfires, and then there are those who are trying to prevent this from happening. lol
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BRZBlue
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50% international, 50% South African from what I can tell. Its a big fixture in the South African economy. The ex CEO now Chairmen who did the Tencent deal is this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koos_Bekker
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
China will just lower the corporate veil and bounce around 5 countries and 10 organisational trees so you won't even realise Tencent is getting paid. Also just as likely that this executive order goes nowhere.
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Bryank75
Banned
If you want a good laugh, go and read the other pathetic place. hahaha goldmine!
oldergamer
Member
no. i've had enough of the dunce king. its time for trump to fade slowly in the night and trip down some stairs.
Plague Doctor
Member
This is how I feel.
Really, really dislike Trump's personality and many policies but he is the only one going after the Chinese government and their corporate tech proxies. Fuck Tencent. Wish other US politicians and world leaders would do the fucking same. As someone who leaned Democrat, I can't tell you how much it alarms me the party is quietly just going along with whatever China wants, or so it seems. Either they have no backbone and need to find one, or they are going along with them.
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Pejo
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Absolutely! Just commenting on the gaming piece since this is in the gaming forum. Disney and their heavy censorship and bullshit like removing/shrinking black people from movie posters too for the China market, while we're at it. It's insane how much China has affected the US sports and entertainment industries.
1. You’re quoting Wikipedia
2. What is 50% “International?” Where is that located on a map?
But I guess what you’re saying is the US after a company that’s totally not Chinese. A witchhunt
Unknown Soldier
Member
The executive order specifically applies to transactions in WeChat, which is actually a big deal. The rest of Tencent is exempt from this order, but the rest of Tencent just isn't that important compared to the role WeChat plays.
WeChat is basically the dominant social media platform, payment system, news dissemination vehicle, and official Chinese Communist Party propaganda apparatus rolled into one app. Everyone in China is basically required to use it so the Chinese government can monitor everything they do and think. WeChat is also used to spread propaganda throughout the Chinese diaspora worldwide. TikTok was always just a big heap of nothing, but going after WeChat is going to have far-ranging consequences that no one really can predict yet.
WeChat is basically the dominant social media platform, payment system, news dissemination vehicle, and official Chinese Communist Party propaganda apparatus rolled into one app. Everyone in China is basically required to use it so the Chinese government can monitor everything they do and think. WeChat is also used to spread propaganda throughout the Chinese diaspora worldwide. TikTok was always just a big heap of nothing, but going after WeChat is going to have far-ranging consequences that no one really can predict yet.
BRZBlue
Member
1. You’re quoting Wikipedia
2. What is 50% “International?” Where is that located on a map?
But I guess what you’re saying is the US after a company that’s totally not Chinese. A witchhunt
I'm on my way to bed, I can look things up a bit more in the morning, but from what I remember its just a bunch of foreign banks and investment firms from tons of different countries. The only real big ownership is consolidated in South Africa. That might have changed in the last few years.
My point is, sure, hate Tencent for being a big company, but uh, hating Tencent because you want to stick it to the CCP is idiotic, because the CCP doesn't have much, if any of an interest in Tencent.
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Xplainin
Banned
My friend just came back from there.
Married a Chinese woman, had a kid, job etc and he left because it was unsafe to stay there.
He said they are mental. One minute everything is happy, people like you, the something happens in the news about Australia, and then they turn on you.
Even had his in-laws calling him a foreigner and to go home.
So he did. He took his son and their daughter with him.
SentientStone
Member
lol, Mainland Chinese people are really nationalistic, especially the less developed areas (think of them like the Trump red states base).
I understand his sentiment, especially due to the current political climate. I think right now, especially for White dudes, it is a bit more difficult.
But it really depends on where they are and the personality of the person as well.
Hell, I really want to go back to China after the COVID situation but even I am a bit weary because of geopolitics. :/
Absolutely! Just commenting on the gaming piece since this is in the gaming forum. Disney and their heavy censorship and bullshit like removing/shrinking black people from movie posters too for the China market, while we're at it. It's insane how much China has affected the US sports and entertainment industries.
Agreed, I was teaching some kids about racism and I brought these examples up as well.
The problem with China is that the public consciousness on race is not as advanced as the West. In China most things are based on stereotypes and they are not PC enough about race.
For example, a lot of Black dudes can only do limited things in China that are stereotypical for Black dudes such as being a DJ, hip-hop, break dancing, working at a bar or club, etc.
These all need to be improved upon, but it will probably never catch up to the West due simply to the fact that many large Western nations have relied on immigrants for so many years, there has been a ton harmonization of the culture over time. China needs to do the same, but who knows how long it will take to social condition the majority of the population.
It is more protectionism and not really about communism.
What Trump is doing is reciprocity. The Chinese wants to strengthen the Chinese companies enough to compete with the American companies, but now some of the companies are already there. There is more apparent aiding and protection by the Chinese government of Chinese companies, but now Trump is doing the same for America.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. Mortal Shell is releasing on the 18th and I preordered it on Epic Games. Is this gonna be a problem?
Angry Fork
Member
China is not a communist country, there is no "spread of communism". It's as capitalist as America if not more. I don't know what you're talking about.
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Is GAF sending my data to the CCP? No? Than stop with this false equivalency bullshit.
So I can start a company in China without the blessing of the CCP?
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nush
Member
Yes, you can. Until you get to a certain size then you need to kiss the ring or have your business taken from you.
Kittehkraken
Member
Ma Huateng is CEO, Chairman, Co-Founder and 7-10% holder of Tencent. He is also a member of the Chinese Communist Party who has an active role at the highest level of Government.
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