Freeman
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I buy most of my physical games on the internet already.
I think I only bought a single game this entire gen buy just walking into the store, I saw Dark Souls 3 complete edition for less than $10, I had to buy it then and there.
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GamePass isn't for everyone and that's something alot of people don't get
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I think I only bought a single game this entire gen buy just walking into the store, I saw Dark Souls 3 complete edition for less than $10, I had to buy it then and there.
Schmick
Member
So you are not a GP subscriber?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Of course not. But I play a game that Microsoft own the IP of. And I know enough about Microsoft to understand that is enough to get me roped into being listed in Gamepass numbers.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I'm in the same boat.
I work full time so there is no value for me outside of 1 game per month. Even then, I only buy a game every few months. I don't need or even want 5 games to play a month, especially if they're not high quality or of my choosing. It actually would stress me out like the overwhelming content I've access to through Netflix, Amazon and NowTv does.
I just want to choose 1 game I want to play every few months and I want to own that game as I'll invest heavily in it.
I work full time so there is no value for me outside of 1 game per month. Even then, I only buy a game every few months. I don't need or even want 5 games to play a month, especially if they're not high quality or of my choosing. It actually would stress me out like the overwhelming content I've access to through Netflix, Amazon and NowTv does.
I just want to choose 1 game I want to play every few months and I want to own that game as I'll invest heavily in it.
Schmick
Member
I dont believe that. Sorry.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Gamepass isn’t for everyone in the same way that Netflix isn’t for everyone. With that said, as long as we can still buy games in stores and have real ownership, I think Gamepass is a terrific option for all the reasons I think Netflix is a terrific option for watching movies and TV Shows.
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Deleted member 740922
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turtlepowa
Banned
If we are talking about the masses, we should only be talking about BF/COD/Madden/GTA/RDR/FIfa/Madden/Fortnite and so on since most players don't give a shit about exclusive games not matter if they are from Microsoft or Sony. I believe you that you like the gameplay of TLOU or GOw, but you can cleary see if a game is focused on gameplay with some story or focused on story with some gameplay. It doesn't even have to be complex. I can play a Hitman or a Terraria or Subnautica or AC Odyssey for 100 hours each, but TLOU or GOW bored me after 3 hours so much that i stopped playing it. Spider-Man was fine since it was nearly a Arkham game and i love those.
Goalus
Member
"Retailers" was meant to include online retailers of course. I am saying that at some point game publishers will decide that producing a physical package to sell to the consumer is not worth it anymore. I am not talking about collector's editions by the way - these won't go away ever probably, but at some point they might begin to include a code instead of a disc which means you won't be able to sell them.
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Hobbygaming
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I'm with you op
I tried Gamepass for 2 weeks and never used it again
I tried Gamepass for 2 weeks and never used it again
draliko
Member
Gow is a nice game but action is not the way to describe it... Dmc5 is an action game, Gow is a nice cinematic experience
DrScissorsMD
Banned
You are correct that it’s not for everyone, but comparing it at full price against games you got on sale is pretty disingenuous.
Every game you mentioned about the masses BF/COD/Maden/FIFA are not on Gamepass. RDR and GTAV were on Gamepass (GTAV was on Now too) but this is usually not on day 1 and on the service temporarily. So you said it yourself the games the masses like are not on Gamepass so I just don't see how it's appealing. The only differenciating factor between Xbox and PlayStation is the exclusives so we have to factor in the sales of PlayStation exclusives in comparison to Xbox exclusives. It was reported in August last year Spiderman has sold over 13 million units not sure how much more now. For a game to sell that much on a single platform I'd consider that the masses on PlayStation platform are buying this game.
Also Fortnite a game that played by the masses is F2P on PS4 and not in Xbox as you need Gold. So the biggest game in the world for the masses is more appealing on a Sony console.
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Hobbygaming
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A lot of Sony's exclusives excell in the gameplay department
Spider-man
Bloodborne
TLOU Part II
Ghost of Tsushima
Ratchet and Clank
To name a few
It's common practice to buy full priced games and a few used games or gams that go on sale. If I bought every game day 1 I wouldn't open the game months after its release so it would be a waste of money. What I usually do is buy my most wanted games I want to play now day 1 such as Monster Hunter, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy VII remake and etc. And the games I didn't manage to get due to the crowded releases that I can't play due to only being able to play 6 games at a time I buy used or on sale. It's a normal thing to do.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This notion that games require more time vs Netflix depends on the game. There are plenty of fantastic games on GP that don't require more time than a season of a show on Netflix.
Carrion
The Messenger
Observation
Human fall flat
What remains of Edith Finch
Yokus island express
Lonley mountain downhill
Children of Morta
All of those are currently on GP and can be completed in 6 hours or less.
Carrion
The Messenger
Observation
Human fall flat
What remains of Edith Finch
Yokus island express
Lonley mountain downhill
Children of Morta
All of those are currently on GP and can be completed in 6 hours or less.
I didn't describe the action similar to DMC. The action is enjoyable just because it's not like DMC doesn't mean the gameplay is crap.
Regardless I'm talking about the masses the masses love GoW, how have Xbox exclusives sold in comparison to GoW and Spiderman. It seems like Sony is doing the right thing with these games and the people who disagree I guess are the minority.
DrScissorsMD
Banned
Cool? I never questioned your buying habits. I pointed out comparing a bunch of games on sale to something you specifically use the non-sale version of is disingenuous. There’s nothing wrong with not liking GP or it not being for you but you don’t have to downplay its value, the value of cost to content is pretty undeniable.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Well, I tried it.
The client for the PC version must be the laziest, shittiest piece of software I have ever seen.
It looks like its running on a chromium or something, and didn't worked half of the time, to the point of not wanting to install the goddamn games.
My pc works fine so I dunno if this is something general or just my case. How was your experience, pc fellas?
The client for the PC version must be the laziest, shittiest piece of software I have ever seen.
It looks like its running on a chromium or something, and didn't worked half of the time, to the point of not wanting to install the goddamn games.
My pc works fine so I dunno if this is something general or just my case. How was your experience, pc fellas?
DavidGzz
Member
It's a no brainer, especially with Xcloud. But I also use GE Force Now A LOT so I love cloud gaming. I can access it from work. Now I will be able to play my Xbox library including all of the Game Pass games without having to transport my console OR download the games? Insane. The value for me, is ridiculous. I paid $1 and I have GPU and Xcloud until 2023. After that, the library will be so HUGE that I will happily pay the $15 a month. I pay that much for the Spotify family package.
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tryDEATH
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GamePass isn't for any that doesn't value their money as it the best gaming investment anyone out there can make. Your getting AAA game from 1st and 3rd Party studios and a 100+ Games from 4 gaming generations. The only way one doesn't like GamePass is if you like to spite yourself.
I'm down playing it not based on me. But the masses won't be sold on this as the games that sell the most are not usually on Gamepass and the average person who plays games has time to play 6 games a year so the appeal of having access to a ton of games isn't as appealing like it is for Netflix and Spotify. I'm not sold on Gamepass personally but I don't believe Gamepass will be such a big hit that will turn things around for Microsoft. And they are in the phase of Gamepass where they selling it for cheap before they will bump the price up, the phase of Gamepass where many games are not designed around the model. Once that kicks in I just don't have full faith it will be as successful. I just don't believe the medium translates to that model as great as Netflix and Spotify.
JonnyMP3
Member
Game Pass is just the modern Blockbuster. It's rental in 2020 form with digital rather than physical. Instead of browsing a store and picking the titles you want on a per title basis, it's just now a monthly subscription for technically and practically the same thing.
Now the thing with rentals is being able to check out new releases or possibly checking out a game that you had an interest but not totally sold on or finding a hidden gem you may never have heard or or given the time of day.
But the otherside of that is the personal value of 'ownership'.
There are games as well as movies, tv shows and music that a person will want to own and have forever.
Things that won't even need to be previewed because it's literally a "day one purchase"
Some people will always want a 'collection' or a 'set' so as much as Game Pass is good on a commercial level, it's not all that on a consumer level if ownership matters to a person's game library.
Now the thing with rentals is being able to check out new releases or possibly checking out a game that you had an interest but not totally sold on or finding a hidden gem you may never have heard or or given the time of day.
But the otherside of that is the personal value of 'ownership'.
There are games as well as movies, tv shows and music that a person will want to own and have forever.
Things that won't even need to be previewed because it's literally a "day one purchase"
Some people will always want a 'collection' or a 'set' so as much as Game Pass is good on a commercial level, it's not all that on a consumer level if ownership matters to a person's game library.
Hudo
Member
Well, the problem is that most desktop/client apps nowadays are just repackaged (Electron-based or based on another embedded browser and fucking Node.js) web apps, made by webshit programmers. That's why most client software for a store front or similar is using 2+ GB of ram and feel sluggish like hell. Same with Steam, sadly.
DrScissorsMD
Banned
Sure so, again, have just that in your OP without bad faith price comparisons.
Thread backfire. Really?
A ton of people agree with me. The model doesn't work for the masses who play COD, Fortnite, FIFA. The model doesn't work for people like me who only play 6 games a year. I'd understand if people like me and people who only play COD and etc are a small minority. But we are the masses.
Bad faith price comparison what do you mean. I literally just gave you a example of my average spending habits. Bought Iceborn and Mario Maker at full price. Bought God of War for £10 on sale as I didn't get around to it before. There are many people who spend money like me.
DavidGzz
Member
Does that surprise you on this forum? You can say Xbox is doomed on here and get 20 likes. That doesn't prove anything. You guys act as if Game Pass locks you in, you can bounce in and out to try a game here and there. You can use it to get discounts on games. Soon you will be able to use it to test games on Xcloud without even having to wait for a download or take any space on your hard drive. If you don't want it, you can ignore it. Making a thread trying to downplay it is weird.
After seeing the Xbox Showcase, Avow, Warhammer, Crossfire, Scorn, The Medium, Fable, Stalker 2, etc aren't quality games? Based on what?
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Freeman
Banned
People talk about XCloud as if it's going to make any diference, the audience for streaming is way more specific than anything else (someone who is willing to buy a gamepad and deal with everything that comes with playing streamed games but that doesn't have a console or PC).
It's not a coincidence every streaming service flopped and PSNow users download their games to play locally whenever they can. Streaming is the future like flying cars were the future.
It's not a coincidence every streaming service flopped and PSNow users download their games to play locally whenever they can. Streaming is the future like flying cars were the future.
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Majority of those games are just timed exclusives. Avowed was a CG trailer and who knows how far off that is. Same for Fable the last Fable got cancelled and Fable 3 was a flop.
JonnyMP3
Member
It technically does lock you in... Into their ecosphere.
If you don't have or renew your subscription, you have no games.
DavidGzz
Member
Those are XGS games for the most part so not sure what you're talking about. Which ones are timed? And you have no answer for the largest part of my post. Seems like just another "let's downplay Xbox" thread to me.
You can buy the ones you want to keep with a Game Pass discount. And of course, it's like Netflix, quit paying and you don't get to play the games anymore, shocker.
The thread premise is based on casuals, man. He is saying the ones who only play big games and/or don't have time to play. The definition of casual gamer...The hardcore who have the time are the ones who benefit from Game Pass the most.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Game Pass can't account for poor taste 
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
And there are many that don't.
If only Microsoft allowed choice on their platform this wouldn't be an issue. If only I could either buy my games or play a library with Game Pass.
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MacReady13
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I hate this argument about how you get to try a tonne of games you wouldn't normally play. I used to do that on my 360. It was called DEMOS. Now that they're basically gone we have to pay to play games monthly? No thanks. Just give us demos of games and we can see if we like them then purchase them.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I think a lot of this thread is missing the point a bit.
It would be idiotic to claim that GamePass isn’t fantastic value for money - for those that already game on XBox and PC.
The issue that might negatively impact on Microsoft’s fortunes going forward is that it might not be enough to persuade PlayStation gamers to swap over. Especially when Ps Now is (slowly) getting better.
Which is why it’s still massively important to have brand new, exclusive IP that people love and want to buy. GamePass without huge games to lure people over is not the killer app Microsoft want it to be, IMO.
It would be idiotic to claim that GamePass isn’t fantastic value for money - for those that already game on XBox and PC.
The issue that might negatively impact on Microsoft’s fortunes going forward is that it might not be enough to persuade PlayStation gamers to swap over. Especially when Ps Now is (slowly) getting better.
Which is why it’s still massively important to have brand new, exclusive IP that people love and want to buy. GamePass without huge games to lure people over is not the killer app Microsoft want it to be, IMO.
JonnyMP3
Member
THERE'S THE POINT!
Congratulations on finding it.
Though it doesn't look like you'll get it still so ill explain a bit more.
Buy 1 time game and play forever or have to continually pay monthly.
Oh can't afford that sub this month? FUCKING TOUGH! DON'T PLAY SHIT, PEASANT!
Or just carry on playing that 1 time game you already purchased, forever, without having to worry about extra fees.
See how that works? Yeah I can be a condescending prick too mate, It's the internet.
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DavidGzz
Member
I think too many people think it is one or the other. No one needs to "swap". Many PC gamers have Game Pass as an option. Xcloud will make Game Pass accessible to anyone, even without a console. XSS may be a cheap option that can make Nintendo, or PS gamers a multi-console owner. I will buy both consoles but will most likely spend most of my time on Xbox because of Game Pass. There are many of us that are multi-console owners.
Maybe don't post common sense info as if it's revelatory. You also lose any game you got from Playstation plus when you quit your monthly sub. You get to keep the ones from Xbox Live. Posting that before you post it as if it isn't already known.
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Few challenges that I can think of with Gamepass:
- Games as a service games don't quite fit Gamepass model, does it make sense to include them in Gamepass?
- Gamepass model emphasizes "consume and forget" -style gaming. This is somewhat incompatible with games like Dead Cells that get more content after release.
- Games as a service games don't quite fit Gamepass model, does it make sense to include them in Gamepass?
- Gamepass model emphasizes "consume and forget" -style gaming. This is somewhat incompatible with games like Dead Cells that get more content after release.
Yes but what I'm saying the mass majority don't care for Gamepass.
And yes Gamepass is great I agree and it's good Microsoft have given people that choice. Sony do this with Now too but of course Gamepass is better. But I'd trade Gamepass over having the Sony exclusives and many people feel the same.
I'm not saying Gamepass is crap I'm saying Gamepass isn't the big thing that will turn the tide and bring in the masses. I'm saying Gamepass shouldn't be used as a excuse for a bad showing, Halo looking crap, CG trailers with games far out and etc. Which is exactly what some people at IGN are saying as well as Alannah.
JonnyMP3
Member
Whataboytism in that post right there.
Brings up PS plus when this is about Game Pass.
But your argument that is somehow the be all and end of the all still hasn't been proven though. Yeah you get to keep games on games with Gold. Point? Nothing to do with Game Pass. Separate systems.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Based on what? The fact that call of duty and Fifa sell a boat load every year? My buddy literally plays CoD and whatever is in GP. So your theory doesnt simply work as a blanket for the entire market based on your experience and preferences.
Game Pass being the thing the turns around Microsoft is a bit hyperbolic and sounds like you simply don't like Microsofts streatgy because it doesn't match Sonys.
Microsoft tried that. They tried having exclusives only on xbox. They tried the sunset over drives and their market didn't buy it. They pivoted to something else and so far it's working.
If you are going to Microsoft hoping they are going to have the first party output to match Sony then you are only playing yourself as that's not going to happen at this time.
Game Pass is not an excuse for a showing that for many lacked the games coming in the near future as well as their biggest IP looking sub par but Game Pass is their strategy and a selling point that makes it easier to accept that they simply aren't ready to release games from the developers they bought and the strong catalog from Microsoft with GP is why people are willing to wait.
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DavidGzz
Member
Foul, foul, he spoke of a negative of my favorite console. God forbid when this whole forum has been doing nothing but making fun of or downplaying Xbox. Going as far as trying to downplay the best thing that has happened to gaming in a looking time.
You keep saying games that are far out, do we even have the launch games locked in for either console?
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Nerd Strangler
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I mean, I guess if you know exactly what games you are going to like and which you aren't, maybe you don't need gamepass. But I typically don't so its nice to be able to try out a bunch of different stuff and find something I enjoy.
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