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Microsoft is courting the opinion of Resetera to ban people in real life.

ape2man

Member
This is OK to say you want to kill all the white babies? (if you are a black dude).

It's probably made OK if you use the new definition of racism and you apply the logic of white fragility or something o that nature. You end up in a situation where white people express their whiteness by breathing, that becomes a privilege too--therefore people wear t-thirts that say I can't breathe--if this is a privilege it must be purged from those who have it, and well the privileged ones will die.

Maybe people should start doing the .... is what i'm saying racist test.

When your in doubt change words like White people, Black people, White babies etc. with Jewish people, Jewish babies. If you sound like a fucking NAZI maybe you are a racist.
 

Airbus Jr

Banned
Read the sticked thread about trans on Resetera. The whole discussion is insane, they're talking about how most of the forum is actually bigoted and transphobic. There's talk of shutting down polls, because people buying Cyberpunk 2077 won a poll by a large margin
Man thats really messed up

Resetera is boycotting cyberpunk 2077?

For what reason? People who buy Cyberpunk 2077 is transphobic?

I thought CDProRed is providing support for trans there with their whole genitals modification options
 
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48086

Member
So play by their own rules. Start tweeting Major Nelson and asking why he’s posting on a racist forum. Tag Phil spencer and other Microsoft execs. Keep doing it. Don’t stop.

Take screenshots of people posting racist, bigoted, hate filled stuff and tweet it to Major Nelson and other execs. Ask why Microsoft endorses that. Take those screenshots and send to other publishers and developers. Ask why they endorse hate and racism.

This stuff is only going to get worse if nothing is done about it. Posting on gaf about it isn’t going to do a dang thing.
 

GHG

Gold Member
I guess you mean being checked by the Police.

The problem is that if the Police use basic common sense and investigates the people who look potentially more like criminals, then they are "racist" because statistics show what those people are over represented by Black males.

So what you are demanding is for the Police to value political correctness more than actually doing their job in the most efficient way possible.

There's nothing politically correct about treating people without prejudice.

If individual police officers can't do that or find it mentally exhausting to have to do so (which it absolutely can be if the vast majority of your previous experiences have been negative) then they aren't fit to be police officers. Yes it's a tough job to do well, but nobody tells these people it's going to be easy.

Saying its "common sense" to go after people based on the colour of their skin rather than factual evidence or behaviours is exactly the issue at hand here.
 

SNPlayen

Member
Don’t they have that stinkles cunt from 343 who posts there who was an alleged abuser. Has he been fired / cancelled yet?
 
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Don’t they have that stinkles cunt from 343 who posts there who was an alleged abuser. Has he been fired / cancelled yet?
Yeah....go back a few pages and it’s mentioned

The accusation is sketchy as but as many have said....era has gone after people with less evidence and it proves that they don’t practice what they preach

Wonder how long it is before they shed the gaming forum charade
 
It's funny to watch people use crime statistics from inner cities without historically ackowledging how those numbers came to be. If they only had such crime stats when the majority of the cities were full of poor mixed European immigrants. People have no clue how law enforcement actually works.
 

gundalf

Member
One day, this will bite back at Major Nelson when he will become a target in the future. How can an adult man completely misread the situation and become a playball without noticing it?
 
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Jon Neu

Banned
There's nothing politically correct about treating people without prejudice.

If individual police officers can't do that or find it mentally exhausting to have to do so (which it absolutely can be if the vast majority of your previous experiences have been negative) then they aren't fit to be police officers. Yes it's a tough job to do well, but nobody tells these people it's going to be easy.

Saying its "common sense" to go after people based on the colour of their skin rather than factual evidence or behaviours is exactly the issue at hand here.

You couldn't be a sane functioning person without observing and prepare in anticipation, which is what you call prejudice.

Police shouldn't stop from check the people who look more like a threat simply because they are Black. If they have to check 6 blacks and 3 whites, then so be it. If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.

I'm sure Police check far more males than females, and that doesn't make me feel like I'm being discriminated for being a male. Do you think the police is misandrist?

I've been followed in super Markets, I have been stoped by the Police just for walking the street and I have never thought that is some ulterior shady agenda behind it, it's just that people see a scary dude and react in anticipation.

But when they talk with me and see how well educated and respectfully I talk, they understand that I'm not a threat. And I don't get mad that they had judged me by my appearence, because it's completely normal, we are visual creatures and the appearence of someone gives us so much information.

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Pretending that you have to check at the same rate this two type of people is just stupid political correctness.
 
Your only taking the part of the definition that suits you. The other part is as relevant as the other one.

Nothing in there contradicts or even substantively augments the definition I provided. It's been my experience that the dividing line between definitions of racism involves the concept of power. Since neither of us used it, I don't think there's a relevant difference between our definitions. However, should you provide good reasons to adopt yours, I'll gladly do so.

The key point is culture can be adopted, forsaken, mixed, cherry-picked, dropped altogether. Under the collectivist concept of racism, once one is born a white person, one's always a white person, burdened with any flaws or gifted with any qualities white people have supposedly been endowed with. There's no escaping, no matter how you carry yourself though life, irrespective of the content of your character. Under a racist worldview, once white, always white.

That's the fundamental difference.

Prove it, Any stats i can find stop at 2005 and 2008.

This is just bizarre, because the statistics are readily available. These have been readily available for a while now to anyone interested in these matters. Just to give you an example, take 2016 (source). Total recorded number of homicides: 6676 (100%), total recorded number of black offenders: 3156 (47,273%). You can also take a look at the population distribution by race (source) and by gender (source), in order to get to the rough estimation of 6% of black males among the general population. That year the overall ratio of male to female offenders was roughly 89% males to 11% females (source). In short, in 2016, 6% of the population, black males, roughly accounted for 42% of homicides. Please bear in mind, this figure doesn't even discount children and the elderly.

The source I provided has yearly charts. Additionally, you can download the Excel file and work out specific percentages yourself.

You do realize statistics can be racists. For example if you only focus on race, the stats will show that one type of skin color has more criminality than the other.

I categorically reject the assertion stats can be racist.
In fact, only a racist will believe facts are racist.

A non-racist individual who stands by reason and logic believes that, ultimately, reality is not racist and therefore that truthful stats will bear that out. A racist, however, does believe one race is inherently inferior or superior to the other and that stats will reveal that.

The freakin' irony.

A stat that shows different criminality rates among races is not inherently racists because it is not making the claim that the difference is rooted in race itself. Again, countless other explanations can be offered as reasons, such as aspects of dominant urban culture, and until race is specifically singled out and claimed as the explanation no epitaphs of "racist stats" can reasonably be offered. Race and culture are two very different facets, as already summarized.

This notion that stats can be racist is anti-scientific and fundamentally anti-truth, and needs to be repudiated.

Stats can misrepresent, be truncated, partial, fraudulent, skewed, etc. That's an epistemological problem, for sure. The solution, however, is better, more comprehensive stats, not dismissing stats as "racist".
 
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So let me get this straight... Some members on GAF advocate for cancelling MS and Major Nelson because he acknowledged a group on ERA asking him to look at racist tweets of a 343 employee? Kinda ironic. There is an unhealthy need at each of these forums to prove righteousness in their train of thought...
 
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JordanN

Banned
is this artist affiliated in any way with microsoft? If not, why in the world would Major Nelson investigate this?
The post I made was originally directed at a troll.
For better context, why would Major Nelson participate on Resetera if he's against racism?

Since people say the tweet is racist well, Reset is also right there.
 
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ultrazilla

Member
Hey Major Nelson,

How do you feel about taking direction from a forum known to have sympathetic views to underage anime porn and pedophiles?
 

xiseerht

Member
Geez, and I thought PS fans and Xbox fans hated each other the most. Nah son , it is GAF vs Resetera
 
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Umm I went to read some stuff said by gamecheat 13. Not surprised he would get banned by MS.

While not an era supporter, I don't have any issue with them pulling this off. He would've gotten banned either way, sooner or later.
 

Cybrwzrd

Banned
So let me get this straight... Some members on GAF advocate for cancelling MS and Major Nelson because he acknowledged a group on ERA asking him to look at racist tweets of a 343 employee? Kinda ironic. There is an unhealthy need at each of these forums to prove righteousness in their train of thought...

I think it is less about righteousness and more about fucking with idiots for fun.
 
But people from Reee are mentally sick, pure haters and nazis. I would be ban there if i dared to say i'm a not believer and refuse others to tell me it' a thing. SJW hate non believers gays as they hate white people as they hate people sexually active and attractives... as they hate everything, everyone including themselves. There don't promote love, they choose to destroy in ISIS mode. They are not builders and have no society to promote (a pure one is a nazy one, to create a pure society people should be mass genocied).

Why would a capitalist firm give a fuck about what the new communists, the new fachists say? Just listen to Joan Baez, she said it all...but i guess singing love makes you the ennemi. 😒🤮🤔

Please MS ban me and get lost with your SJW hate. You would not make me a hater. I will always choose to love. You would have to kill me, delete me, earase me, to make me stop loving and not believing. ❤🌈🥳 And guess what, that's what they want.... you've been warned people.
What the
 
He didn't even mention Sony or bother excusing them because they were not involved in this specific incident.
It actually is more funny that you would make a point to single out Sony as even worse while being very apologetic towards Microsoft.

I'm not being apologetic, I'm being realistic. I was watching that thread from the beginning and saw how the users were acting. When a 343i guy said they'd try reaching out to talk to him, they flipped their shit because they wanted the guy gone immediately! If anything the fact MajorNelson's response was generally about the same thing and yet they were cool with it, shows how hypocritical Era is in that all you need is a checkmark by your name and an account there, and they'll eat up anything you say...unless you're Angry Joe.

Also the reason I said Sony would probably react more strongly in the situation is because they have more of a history of virtue-signaling. They moved the date for their PS5 showing "supposedly" because of protests surrounding George Floyd's death & BLM even when they could've proceeded as normal and put out a message showing condolences and a brief intermission of a moment of silence or whatnot. But they changed the date because they wanted more room in the news cycle for PS5. That's the actual reason they did it.

They've been a lot more strict in terms of senseless censorship of Japanese games, while seemingly it's okay for TLOU2 to have a straight-up sex scene or two. I think that's hypocritical of them to do. Yes they aren't the only ones that have been censoring Japanese games (or pressuring publishers to do so), Microsoft has done this too. Microsoft's also essentially virtue-signaled with things like George Floyd's death and the LGBT+ tags in Gears 5. These massive companies, whether they have people there who genuinely care about this stuff (I'm sure some do), they ultimately do it for financially-motivated reasons.

But Sony's gone further than MS in that regard, IMHO, and they've both gone further than Nintendo who at the very least seems more humble and doesn't try bragging about how virtuous they are to helping support good causes. They just do it and keep their main operations running as normal.

It’s true that Larry didn’t promise to cancel the guy or grandstand, more like the minimum acknowledgment of the issue, sensible enough PR in a vacuum.

Not a good idea to appease the mob over there, though. They’ll know they have an avenue to get after what they want through him now, and will blame him if they don’t get their desired attention or cancellation result. Better to ignore the crazies and let them move on to their next target.

I agree, that would've been the best option by far. You could even say Nelson responded out of reason related to clout, he might perceive some kind of value in the forum if he gave a direct response. He'd be wrong though because that forum has very little real value xD.

Unfortunately he has just "opened the floodgates" as it were. Why can't more of these corporate people from these big studios learn to pretend Era doesn't exist, is a mystery. You can't ever please them because as soon as you do one thing they will find something else to complain about and expect an immediate fix. They don't operate by the rules of reality.

If Microsoft & Sony had representatives on Resetera and responded, I would have said the same thing.

Okay that's fair, I apologize for being out-of-pocket on this and insinuating otherwise.
 
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SirTerry-T

Member
The whole attitude over at the other place, just reminds me of those vocal idiots in my old Student Unions. One day they will grow up and realise that a lot of the hot air and BS they spew is, ultimately, not that important when you garner enough commonsense to behave like a decent human being to your fellow human beings, whatever their colour, creed and lifestyle choice, and just get on with your lives.
Stupid, stupid, narrow minded, brain-dead tribe of idiots who wouldn't last ten minutes in a conversation with real people outside of that ridiculous echo chamber.
 

JordanN

Banned
How did we get to this point ?
2017 was when all the craziest users on Neogaf finally left to form their own echo chamber.
While this meant Neogaf became a better place to finally discuss video games again or have non-corrupt mods, Resetera became the opposite.

No checks and balances for when users grew resentful of the world and a mod team was gathered to claim victimhood at every corner.

They were never the good guys since they nearly got into legal trouble with a game developer when they wouldn't stop slandering his studio.
 
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So let me get this straight... Some members on GAF advocate for cancelling MS and Major Nelson because he acknowledged a group on ERA asking him to look at racist tweets of a 343 employee? Kinda ironic. There is an unhealthy need at each of these forums to prove righteousness in their train of thought...
Yeah that’s just as dumb. Thankfully at least we have the ability to debate it here.
 

48086

Member
So let me get this straight... Some members on GAF advocate for cancelling MS and Major Nelson because he acknowledged a group on ERA asking him to look at racist tweets of a 343 employee? Kinda ironic. There is an unhealthy need at each of these forums to prove righteousness in their train of thought...

It's not about cancelling ms or Larry. The issue is that a Microsoft representative in an official capacity is endorsing an online platform that encourages racism, bigotry, and hate. Neither Microsoft nor Larry need to be cancelled. They need to end their official relationship with the forum though.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's not about cancelling ms or Larry. The issue is that a Microsoft representative in an official capacity is endorsing an online platform that encourages racism, bigotry, and hate. Neither Microsoft nor Larry need to be cancelled. They need to end their official relationship with the forum though.
And well Stinkles can fuck off too, because it's a terrible look for the company. At least idiots like Greenberg does not participate in forum and shit.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's not about cancelling ms or Larry. The issue is that a Microsoft representative in an official capacity is endorsing an online platform that encourages racism, bigotry, and hate. Neither Microsoft nor Larry need to be cancelled. They need to end their official relationship with the forum though.
Yes it's about cancelling Restera/de-platforming them.

Do you guys not see the irony in that?
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
What? No, it's not. Are Microsoft accounts the only accounts on resetera? You're really reaching and it's quite obvious.
It's the exact same thing resetera does; claiming guilt by association. "OMG this company interacted with THOSE people, WE MUST STOP THIS."

WTF does "Are Microsoft accounts the only accounts on restera?" have to do with it? The point of this thread is essentially to demand nobody interact with Restera; and we even have people suggesting Major Nelson should be fired. There's a lot of Restera-like behavior in this thread.
 
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48086

Member
It's the exact same thing resetera does; claiming guilt by association. "OMG this company interacted with THOSE people, WE MUST STOP THIS."

Except it's not the same thing. Like I said, no one wants to cancel Microsoft (not even possible) or get Major Nelson fired. That's the difference. If you can't understand it than I'm not sure what to tell you.


WTF does "Are Microsoft accounts the only accounts on restera?" have to do with it? The point of this thread is essentially to demand nobody interact with Restera; and we even have people suggesting Major Nelson should be fired. There's a lot of Restera-like behavior in this thread.

You're crying about people wanting to cancel resetera. Microsoft not having an official relationship with resetera will not cancel the forum lol.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Except it's not the same thing. Like I said, no one wants to cancel Microsoft (not even possible) or get Major Nelson fired. That's the difference. If you can't understand it than I'm not sure what to tell you.

There are in fact, quite literally, people in this very thread, saying Major Nelson should be fired lol

You're crying about people wanting to cancel resetera. Microsoft not having an official relationship with resetera will not cancel the forum lol.

You want to demand nobody from the gaming industry interact with the forum; it's at the very least similar to Restera's behavior. That's a part of "de-platforming" someone/something, to cut off their resources.
 

mr.dilya

Banned
I’m not a fan of the BLM movement but that dude does seem like a racist just based off my own intuition and inference.
 

tkscz

Member
It's the exact same thing resetera does; claiming guilt by association. "OMG this company interacted with THOSE people, WE MUST STOP THIS."

WTF does "Are Microsoft accounts the only accounts on restera?" have to do with it? The point of this thread is essentially to demand nobody interact with Restera; and we even have people suggesting Major Nelson should be fired. There's a lot of Restera-like behavior in this thread.

nuance man, nuance! At the core, it is deplatforming, but not at the same level. It's simply being requested that Microsoft not use Era as a source of reference for who should or shouldn't work for them due to their extremist nature. When Era whats to deplatform someone, they immediately start with calling someone a nazi/alt-right with no evidence, and try to deplatform others who may (or may not) have been associated with that person or platform. We're not saying Era itself needs to be removed, we're , again, just suggesting Microsoft not use them as a form of reference.
 

CRAIG667

Member
Anyone who actually reads the BLM manifesto—seriously go to the site and scroll down—realizes it’s deconstructionist, Marxist rhetoric that doesn’t serve the needs of the black community at all (especially those affected by crime and poverty). Has this guy said things aside from distancing himself from BLM? Actual racist things?

The real problem is BLM means something different to many people.
 

Evangelion Unit-01

Master Chief
Hopefully I can add some background information here as this has a weird intersectionality with me as a Halo fan. Apologies in advance for the length of this post.

I want to preface and say I follow lots of developers and game related personalities. Everyone seems to blast their political views out there from time to time-rarely are they done with tact. Sometimes I agree with what's being said, sometimes I disagree. I almost always wish they put more thought into their words and debated in good faith rather than just picking a label and shouting it. I follow all of these people because I am a normal well adjusted person that is capable of listening to people I disagree with, without trying to shout them down, cancel them, or otherwise label them as some sort of evil.

Now, Gamecheat13-I've followed him on twitter for a few years now. Gamecheat really started to pop up in the Halo modding scene after the release of Reach and Halo 4. He posted several videos of cut content that was still in the games and a handful of fun mods with AI that got a fair amount of attention online. He was most notably one of the developers on ElDewrito-a fan effort to take a leaked version of the abandoned Halo Online project (A F2P PC Halo codenamed El Dorado) and make it playable. The project was rather successful and the devs had a nice working beta. The project was shutdown by Microsoft with a nice letter from Phil Spencer that acknowledged the love for classic Halo and suggested that Microsoft would be bringing classic Halo to PC "soon". Halo MCC PC was announced a few months later and they said they would be working with the ElDewrito devs. 343 ended up hiring one of the more prominent Halo devs to work on the project. Fans were happy to hear that these modders would be involved. A lot of these modders know the classic Halo games better than 343 does-they have been working on them for 20 years now whereas most devs at 343 have only been working on Halo 4/5-Infinite. Now, a few years later we have Halo MCC on PC. While it is great to have the game playable it still is not 1:1 with the games on OG Xbox/360. In light of all of that Gamecheat took to Twitter to complain about how he and other modders did not get to help out with MCC as much as he wanted to. I honestly have no idea what was promised here and what actually happened so I won't make a value judgement on it without more information.

Gamecheat's tweets got picked up by some pockets of the halo community including the OP at resetera. It looks like era decided to do the classic let's find "problematic" tweets and here we are. Gamecheat's political views are more libertarian than anything if you ask me and he has a history of promoting the second amendment. Over the past few weeks Gamecheat has made tweets calling for the arrest of the police officers involved in the Breonna Taylor and George Floyd incidents, calling out instances of police brutality during protests, advocating that people arm themselves for protection both from criminals as well as those who would abuse power, claiming that anyone who is not in support of Black Lives Matter is for police brutality, and berating those who would say "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter". Resetera did not report on any of these tweets. Instead resetera pulled out tweets where Gamecheat called out a group a of armed black protestors who named 2A groups as being white supremacists, rather intactly called out the policing of language specifically the word rape and the "n word", made some crass jokes including one about a female 343 employee, and got into an argument with another Halo community figure over where the line between armed protest ended and terrorism began.

Certainly Gamecheat has made tweets that I disagree with and has often done so without out tact. Personally they are not tweets that I would post. Especially not his tweet about the 343 employee. There are things on his twitter that would get him in HR trouble if he were a 343 employee conversely he is not. Social media provides a whole host of new issues for HR and PR at companies. That said to only selectively pull tweets as resetera did is fundamentally wrong and they seemingly do not represent Gamecheat's complete political views. Resetera should not be the thought police here. This is something 343 should mull over internally not with the input of the mob at resetera. Is it fair to label him a racist for criticizing behavior and messaging around the protests when he also has called for justice in racially charged police events? Doing so fundamentally fails to recognize that political issues are more nuanced than a place like resetera would care to admit. People can be against racism, call for police reform, and also be against egregious behavior during protests. That seems to describe Gamecheat's views-leaning libertarian with a heavy and consistent support of the second amendment.

I'll end here. We are in the public shaming and cancellation stage now. No conversation, no second chances, no reform, no nuance, no respect for those who you disagree with. The Puritans are here. The scaffold has been built and the stocks are out. It is time to affix the scarlet letter. The embroidery will read, "Yikes, not a good look. This ain't it.".
 
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